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Post by kammy on Aug 31, 2009 15:46:30 GMT -5
Hello everyone!
I am admitting that I have mis-named, a couple of times, what is now being called a "baculovirus".
For those of you that have followed our threads in the past, the objects/parts have remained the same, it's just that some of their names have changed as we thought we had an identification and moved on to find that we were mistaken and therefore a new thread was created. You have witnessed a learning process as we finally stumbled onto the truth.
Not being professionals in the field of microbiology, and with the complexity of what we've been looking at in my other threads, namely the "Cryptosporidium Parvum", "Toilet Paper", and "Peridiscaeae" threads... etc. you will see where each thread is a progression on figuring out what is happening inside Morgellons on the cellular level.
The "cellular objects" have not changed from thread to thread.
It has been my statement all along that good theory will all interweave and prove the other correct, eventually. I don't know why the scientists out there have not looked at Morgellons in the same way that I have chosen? I have used very basic and simple methods, a basic microscope, Petri Dishes with nutient agar, with the debris from a lesion introduced into the Petri Dish - all experiments and photos are assumed to be in this medium, unless I otherwise state differently.
I have been studying these 'objects' for some time, I have started isolating them - to see what their roles are in the big "M" picture. I can now see somewhat predictable patterns.
We are now at the point in my and Jeany's work that it needs to be turned over to someone with a background in this field for them to make more accurate diagnosis and draw more factual conclusions. We are in the process of compiling this information for presentation to someone, anyone - scientist/doctor who will look or listen.
Our research and methods have always been unique. This thread comes about from Banny asking and Carnicom's recent discovery of the baculovirus, however, he is not aware of what he's looking at yet, he hasn't named it for what it is.
I am stating baculovirus is the skeleton, backbone, the central system around which Morgellons is operating. Baculovirus is the source for the black and white 'specks', the 'biofilm' creation and the fibers to be created, the main three factors that all people with Morgellons have in common.
Of course, the baculovirus is not all there is to Morgellons, there are other factors at work which I think, some of these 'others' can easily be identified.
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Post by kammy on Aug 31, 2009 16:20:52 GMT -5
Let's look at what Carnicom is studying at this most recent post on August 27, 2009 a paper titled "Artificial Blood?" @ www.carnicom.com/blood1.htm"Strong evidence now exists that an artificial or modified blood form is a dominant internal component, if not the dominant component, of dental filament samples that are commonly associated with the Morgellons condition. A method has been developed that breaks down the external casing of the fibers. A reconstitution process then takes place. The constituents in the resulting solution have been repeatedly examined under the microscope at high power. The method has been replicated numerous times, and on each occasion the same identifiable structures result. The structures indicate that they are a form of erythrocyte, or red blood cell." The difference in our terminology is - He is calling these sphere objects "red blood cells", I am calling them "baculovirus". What he has done is taken a fiber and broken it down to extract the cell that the fiber is made out of. He is photographing at 2000x what I have photographed at 100x, we are looking at the same thing. Carnicom says: "The size of the erythrocytic form within the dental filament varies more than within the human species, and this appears to be a response to the reconstitutive chemical environment." |
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Post by camv35s on Aug 31, 2009 16:39:40 GMT -5
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Post by kammy on Aug 31, 2009 17:01:17 GMT -5
What Carnicom has done is brilliant. He is showing what the cellular makeup of the fibers are. He is saying that they appear to be: "Detailed microscopic examination does indeed satisfy all visual and metric expectations of an erthrocye, or red blood cell, including biconcavity." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_form"Based on cell type, organisms may be divided into the prokaryotic and eukaryotic groups. The prokaryotes represent two separate domains, the Bacteria and Archaea. Eukaryotic organisms, with a membrane-bounded cell nucleus, also contain organelles, namely mitochondria and (in plants) plastids, generally considered to be derived from endosymbiotic bacteria.[1] Fungi, animals and plants are examples of species that are eukaryotes." We have heard from one other scientist that the fibers are neither Eukaryotic nor Prokaryotes, meaning... well... not a good thing. Carnicom is saying that they are Eukaryotic, which is good that they are in our known two main organisms of all life on earth. Yeah! Carnicom has created a process to create a 'fake' blood with these 'red blood cells'. This is good in that so many tests have already been perfected to run on human blood and by running tests on what he has extracted, we should be able to find out more about what is happening on that level in a short amount of time. On " biconcavity", www.ghettodriveby.com/biconcavity/here's a photo I took early that shows excellent example of biconcavity, I thought I was looking at a red blood cell also, from human lesion: ![]() my-stuff-dot-com.com/My Stuff/Personal1/Morgellons313/My Photos 212/Master/Experiment 2/3 18 09 Left Ear 2/03_19_20.JPEG[/img] |
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Post by bannanny on Aug 31, 2009 20:41:36 GMT -5
All I can say is I wish you the best of luck... you guys have worked so hard and I know you're continuing to do so. Thank you so much for that and if there's anything I can do to help or if you want to use any of my pics... you're more than welcome to. I asked you this on the other thread... maybe you didn't see it. But what is baculovirus for those of us (me) who don't understand biology and science?
hugs ~~ bannanny
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Post by kammy on Aug 31, 2009 22:09:36 GMT -5
Hi Cam, how you doing? Thank you for starting our education on the Baculovirus... that's a good article and has a lot of good points. Is there anything you wanted to highlight for us in that article? I'm still tooling around here... hopefully, I'll get moving in a more direct path regarding the baculovirus, soon? |
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Post by kammy on Aug 31, 2009 22:13:06 GMT -5
All I can say is I wish you the best of luck... you guys have worked so hard and I know you're continuing to do so. Thank you so much for that and if there's anything I can do to help or if you want to use any of my pics... you're more than welcome to. I asked you this on the other thread... maybe you didn't see it. But what is baculovirus for those of us (me) who don't understand biology and science? hugs ~~ bannanny Banny, this thread is dedicated to you. The answer as to what a Baculovirus IS and what it is doing inside Morgellons is so long... I might typing for years out here?... I'm sorry if I didn't answer your question well enough over there... I'll come back with a better answer... and not to steal your thunder on Caricom's report - but, I believe we're seeing the same thing and wouldn't want to 'clutter up' your thread with my 'stuff'? |
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Post by kammy on Sept 1, 2009 0:13:00 GMT -5
There's several things that struck me is that I'm seeing the same sphere on Carnicom's web page, www.carnicom.com/blood1.htm that I have been seeing all along in human and other samples: Here's Cliff's photo from his site, you see the halo around it, @1 or 2,000x?:  Here's one for you to compare, the halo is green (iron) in my photos, just different photography, human lesion @450x: ![]() my-stuff-dot-com.com/My Stuff/Personal1/Morgellons313/My Photos 212/Master/Experiment 2/3 24 09 Left Ear 450x/03_24_122.JPEG[/img] You can see the same place he's directing his arrow to in his photo below to my photo above?  |
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Post by kammy on Sept 1, 2009 0:41:05 GMT -5
Here's what Carnicom says about the different sizes of cells he's noticing:
"A second observation is that more variation of size (not form, however) will occur than within human samples observed. This appears to be a result of the chemical environment that allows this reconstitution process to take place. The cells will change in size during observation on the microscope stage, and some of them will reach abnormally large diameters estimated up to approximately 20-25 microns."
He believes he is seeing red blood cells, which he might be. He's the scientist with the degree and the equipment, not me! My degree is in another area of science.
"They appear to be essentially of regular and flawless geometric form; no human blood samples examined thus far demonstrate this level of uniformity. It is this observation which asks us to consider the existence of an artificial blood form here, or at the very least the consideration of a manipulated or altered cell of some fashion.
In addition, some of the cells will reconstitute to a smaller diameter than a human cell, down to a level of approximately 4 microns in diameter. "
I contend that he is not seeing red blood cells but possibly the baculovirus instead, because he says that human blood cells are not this uniform, nor are they of this smaller size, 4 microns nor in the larger ranges he mentions, 20-25 microns, that human cells are approximately 6-8 microns.
Also, he mentions that the cells will change sizes during photography which we have noticed that the heat from the microscope lamp will causes evident changes in other experiments. Baculovirus start changing with a rise in temperature, which I do not believe is true for human red blood cells which would cause them to increase up to 3 times their normal size?
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Post by kammy on Sept 1, 2009 1:16:45 GMT -5
What has he done here? He's taken dental samples where a person swishes red wine in their mouths and the filaments come out in this process. I'm thinking that since he is starting with red wine that is blood-like to begin with and adds two clear chemicals and boils it... he's going to end up with something that looks like blood. It is inconclusive at this time that whatever is in his test tube has any properties of human blood at all, he says, further tests are needed: "The color of the solution at this point does indeed appear blood red, and visually does match that of blood in solution. It is possible that a hemoglobin or protein transformation is incited at this point, and the additional heat in combination with the caustic solution produces this final result. Specific tests for hemoglobin are inconclusive at this stage of the research, and a full protein analysis (not restricted to hemoglobin) is required at this point." |
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Post by kammy on Sept 1, 2009 2:04:50 GMT -5
What I am impressed with is how he extracted the fiber coating using this process to retrieve his 'red blood cell'... and that they might possibly be growing in size as he's looking at them under the microscope, after being boiled... dang! we're in deep trouble if you can boil these things and they still live! lol
Actually, he starting to see it... I wonder if he could culture one of those after he boils it? All he has to do is throw some of that chewing tobacco into a petri dish and he'd have a whole bunch to look at and wouldn't even need his electron microscope.
I can't believe I tore up Carnicom out here... it's late... and I should gone to bed a while ago... Cliff has done some excellent work for us and I think highly of him.
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Post by lilsissy on Sept 1, 2009 2:09:21 GMT -5
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Post by kammy on Sept 1, 2009 2:19:13 GMT -5
WHAT IS A BACULOVIRUS? From Banny's thread last night where she asks, 'What is a baculovirus?' I'm duplicating part of a post over there: lymebusters.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=rash&action=modifypost&thread=12794&post=139341Baculovirus are those spheres that are in your and my samples, they are also in the form of the 'carbon rocks' and 'carbon spaceships' that I presented in earlier photos in my various threads. So, they have those two main forms. Here are some 'stock' Internet photos that show their identification: From photoshelter.com showing the 'rock capsids', a capsid is a capsule, if you flip through their stock photos of the baculovirus, you will see that these are also what people are finding as 'glitter': 306305.tif | PhotoShelterBaculovirus heliothis. This insect virus is commonly used by molecular biologists to produce specific peptides and proteins. TEM. Here's a photo of water @100x, these have also been seen in human samples: Here's a stock photo of the sphere baculovirus from Wikepedia, what I called a 'cookie' earlier: Baculovirus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaHere is a photo of what I called a "cookie" or "spaceship landing pad" earlier, it is the sphere and rock capsids together, as in the wiki photo above: The 'sphere' or nucleocapsid "spits out, blows out, or leaves a trail, and other methods" of the 'rocks' or polyhedrin-shaped granulin capsids in one of its many reproduction modes. Here are two photos below of a 'sphere capsid' creating baby 'rock capsids' in a human lesion, I also have a movie that shows it doing this same thing in a different way: |
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Post by kammy on Sept 1, 2009 2:40:54 GMT -5
No, I haven't Jen, but these look like our culprit! I'd say it's the baculovirus! From Jen's article @ curdrice.com/ranga/red_rain.htmlWe read that the baculovirus is everywhere. It's in the water, it's in the toilet paper, it's in your rice, and it's probably in the water from Mars. It's been here for millions of years, however, what's different about the one inside of us is that it is a GM product, the ones here a million years ago... well... they didn't affect humans, only insects. This doesn't mean that this red water nor our baculovirus is from Mars, I think if you look - you can see where any farmer can purchase these to put on their crops, there's several companies that sell them and none of them are getting their product from Mars. And... you can put any insect, fungi, nematode, virus, bacteria, etc. inside of them you want and in any order. Here's a few Baculovirus Expression companies to choose from and some that will make your request to order: www.dogpile.com/dogpile/ws/results/Web/sell%20baculovirus%20expression/1/417/TopNavigation/Relevance/iq=true/zoom=off/_iceUrlFlag=7?_IceUrl=true |
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Post by lilsissy on Sept 1, 2009 2:52:51 GMT -5
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Post by kammy on Sept 1, 2009 2:56:51 GMT -5
I noticed this photograph on Carnicom's site @ www.carnicom.com/blood1.htmI find it interesting that Carnicom doesn't say one word about this photo? Does he realize that he's got "cookies" and "spaceship landing pads" forming? |
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Post by kammy on Sept 1, 2009 3:03:52 GMT -5
Well, Jen... you know me... I like to back up what I say with some sort of proof? We can say that something is from anywhere, or Morgellons is this or that - and how are we going to prove or disprove that these cells are extraterrestrial? So this guys gets into Wikipedia for the rest of his life for this statement?... bah! I tell you what - when I get into this... and you see what I've seen... you'll know they aren't from Mars, they are very much man-made, these insects inside these baculovirus capsids aren't acting like insects in nature, as they should - they're from a science lab somewhere, and probably close by! |
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Post by lilsissy on Sept 1, 2009 3:08:05 GMT -5
I personally have no feeling on this occurance yet but i think it is interesting to say the least but the wiki gives you some history on this unusal happening.
A lot of debate on it so far maybe you found the bingo?
Just thought you would like the history,
Jen
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Post by kammy on Sept 1, 2009 3:11:37 GMT -5
I personally have no feeling on this occurance yet but i think it is interesting to say the least but the wiki gives you some history on this unusal happening. A lot of debate on it so far maybe you found the bingo? Just thought you would like the history, Jen You know how Wiki works? Anyone can start a topic and put in there what you want, especially, if you're kin to this guy?... for the most part I like Wiki, though. |
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Post by lilsissy on Sept 1, 2009 12:15:18 GMT -5
Sorry Kammy I sent this reply to your e-mail.
Well here we go again.
Yes I know , I check the source if I want to authenticate what I find of interest on Wiki ,sometimes a few of them.
It is nice of you to remind us of that.
Wiki s not know for reliable information it is up to the reader to authenticate it.
Jen
B.T.W. silentsuperbug has an image in it very simular to yours.
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