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Post by kammy on Apr 21, 2009 13:40:39 GMT -5
This thread is for the purpose of researching Arthrobotrys oligospora's "AO"'s relationship to Morgellons Disease.
We believe this is the MAIN Morgellons pathogen, this thread is for the purpose of determining if this statement is true.
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Post by kammy on Apr 21, 2009 13:42:00 GMT -5
Ok, how'd we get here? Sarothra and a few others were talking about this 'sticky trap' thing and I was looking for those posts to bring over here... Sarothra had created a thread with a theory in it regarding her 'sticky trap' fungus and I posted immediately to tell her that I was about to put out photos and to come look to see if she found any matches? Here is the beginning of her theory thread: www.morgellons-disease-research.com/Morgellons-Message-Board/morgellons-cure/4978-now-we-have-answers-we-can-cure.htmlI started putting out various photos of the Microscopic Photos section and Sarothra interrupted me in the Biofilms thread to say:
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Post by kammy on Apr 21, 2009 13:42:49 GMT -5
These photos below shows the relationship between the 'seeds/specks' and the fibers and what they are doing in the creation process. Cultered on 2/28/09 in nutrient agar, Exp 2, photographed on 3/29/09 - 31 days growth. This photo below at 450x shows a beginning stage of how the 'seeds/specks/beads' are connector-like in the middle of the fibers. [/img][/center] In a different place in the same petri dish where the growth is a little further along - (at 100x) - Notice how the 'specks/seeds' are now on the side of the fibers as if they are almost ready to fall off? I speculate that they do 'fall off' or leave the fiber to continue this process over and over. ( And, how the red fibers tend to produce red 'specks/seeds', the blue fibers produce blue seeds, yellow - yellow, etc.) [/img] my-stuff-dot-com.com/My Stuff/Personal/Morgellons/My Photos/Posted/Lymebusters/3 29 09 L Ear/03_29_15 450x.JPEG[/img][/center] (When I remove the fiber/seed debris from my outside ear, I have often felt as if my ear contains 'beads on a string'... )
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Post by kammy on Apr 21, 2009 13:43:58 GMT -5
Sarothra and the others understand "AO" better than I do, I haven't researched it yet. So, I thought I'd start with some 'basics' of what it is, what it does, what it looks like in diagrams, the name of the parts... etc.
Then find some of Sarothra's quotes and bring them in here. She's made some very profound statements in regard to what "AO" is doing inside our Morgellons!
And... whoever else wants to ask questions, that's how we learn!
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Post by kammy on Apr 21, 2009 13:44:50 GMT -5
A Nematotoxin produced by the Nematophagous Fungus Arthrobotrys oligospora Fresenius"THE nematopagous fungus, Arthrobotrys oligospora Fres., captures nematodes by means of adhesive hyphal networks. When a nematode has been snared, the fungus pierces the animal's integument and produces a bulbous structure from which trophic hyphæ grow throughout the body of the worm. Drechsler1 attributes the death of the nematode to the partial severance of its body by the infection bulb of the fungus. This view is not shared by Shepherd2, who found that the captured nematode becomes inactive before the infection bulb has completely developed. Duddington3 supports Shepherd's view and suggests that a toxin, capable of paralysing or killing, may be secreted by the adhesive trapping organs and act externally, or that such a substance may be transported internally by way of the fine penetration peg through the nematode cuticle. Soprunov and Galiulina4 claim to have detected a secretion by a hyphal network-forming species which paralyses nematodes." I will translate in the next post:
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Post by kammy on Apr 21, 2009 13:46:11 GMT -5
I've created some diagram photos and am waiting to get my FTP software unlock code to put them up on my site shortly.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong:
What we have been calling "fibers" are technically called: adhesive hyphal networks
What we have been calling "black specks/seeds" are technically called: infection bulb
Somehow in this process, the nematodes (I'll get a photo in here)... get trapped in the hyphal network and injected? with a toxin (the biofilm?)...
"Duddington3 supports Shepherd's view and suggests that a toxin, capable of paralysing or killing, may be secreted by the adhesive trapping organs and act externally, or that such a substance may be transported internally by way of the fine penetration peg through the nematode cuticle. Soprunov and Galiulina4 claim to have detected a secretion by a hyphal network-forming species which paralyses nematodes."
From my lesion, I have a powder or liquid emitted that is numbing, appearing very toxic. This secretion they are referring to, I believe, we've been calling the 'biofilm'?
I'm not sure what the "penetration peg" is or the "nematode cuticle"... let's look further.
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Post by kammy on Apr 21, 2009 13:48:07 GMT -5
Arthrobotrys oligospora: nematophagous fungus"Arthrobotrys oligospora Arthrobotrys oligospora FRESENIUS 1850
Form Genus: Arthrobotrys CORDA 1839 Form Subfamily: Hyalodidymae Form Family: Moniliaceae Form Order: Moniliales (Hyphomycetes) Form Class: Deuteromycetes (Fungi imperfecti) Division: Eumycota Arthrobotrys oligospora ist the most frequent, most widespread and so far best investigated nematophagous fungus species. The ubiquitary fungus has been isolated from plenty of different substrates, e. g. from compost, decomposing wood and animal excrements. Concerning its growth behaviour and the form of its adhesive three-dimensional network traps it is similar to Arthrobotrys superba. The upright Conidiophores bear 20-30 groups of 5-20 two-celled, 16-30 µm long and 8-16 µm broad conidia clearly indented at the sept, whose distal cell is about twice as large as the proximal cell." Conidia of Arthrobotrys oligospora Conidiophore of Arthrobotrys oligospora
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Post by kammy on Apr 21, 2009 13:49:57 GMT -5
Arthrobotrys oligospora: nematophagous fungusAdhesive three-dimensional network of Arthrobotrys oligospora Nematode captured in an adhesive three-dimensional network of Arthrobotrys oligospora Half-digested nematode in three-dimensional network of Arthrobotrys oligospora
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Post by kammy on Apr 21, 2009 13:53:23 GMT -5
In my photos I had captured a couple of nematodes, what I jokingly called "Trophozite Wearing A Necklace"... I found it amusing and had no clue as to WHY a worm would be wearing a 'necklace'... Kritts made a good observation, but... Sarothra explains: "Morgellons 'Snakes', Worms, and Trophozites" "Trophozite Wearing Necklace" Left ear 3/18/09 - shot in petri dish, cultured 3/1/09 100x my-stuff-dot-com.com/My Stuff/Personal/Morgellons/My Photos/3 18 09 Left Ear 2/03_19_8.JPEG [/img][/center] This trophozite is next to the "pure" Morgellons, you can begin to see the formation of the 'satellites' in the white hairs of the Morgellons growth.
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Post by kammy on Apr 21, 2009 13:56:53 GMT -5
"STICKY TRAP"? I didn't understand what all this "sticky trap" talk was - I didn't know if she was referring to the above mentioned "adhesive hyphal networks", what we've been calling a 'fiber network' or the 'biofilm'? This was a confusing term that she was using... I believe Sarothra was referring to the 'biofilm' from this quote: She's explaining one of the purposes of the biofilm.
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Post by kammy on Apr 21, 2009 13:59:20 GMT -5
MYCELIUM Here's both of Baraka's videos showing "Morgellons Forming"... these were genius and groundbreaking Baraka!, they allowed us to see so much and back up our theories turning them into 'fact'. YouTube - numba3 mpeg4YouTube - morgellons formingMyceliumMycelium - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaFungal mycelia "Mycelium (plural mycelia) is the vegetative part of a fungus, consisting of a mass of branching, thread-like hyphae. The mass of hyphae is sometimes called shiro, especially within the fairy ring fungi. Fungal colonies composed of mycelia are found in soil and on or in many other substrates. Typically a single spore germinates into a monokaryotic mycelium which cannot reproduce sexually; when two compatible monokaryotic mycelia join and form a dikaryotic mycelium, that mycelium may form fruiting bodies such as mushrooms. A mycelium may be minute, forming a colony that is too small to see, or it may be extensive:"
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Post by kammy on Apr 21, 2009 14:02:59 GMT -5
To clarify - when we say "Sticky Traps" - what are you referring to: the 'fibers' or the biofilm? The lesions themselves are 'sticky traps'. We need one definition... even though all 3 are 'sticky'? All 3 combined are a 'sticky trap system'?
What part is it?
When we say, 'the nematodes get stuck in the sticky trap', as an example, what are we referring to?
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Post by mrc on Apr 21, 2009 14:05:52 GMT -5
Kammy, read the whole thread, very interesting, a few questions:
Particularly concerning this quote:
"I still think these fibers are nematodes. They are tapered on both ends, they move and undulate and are drawn to the sticky traps produced by the predatory fungi. There is even a pic I believe taken by yourself of a nematode with necklace. That is a nematode that was captured by the stick trap ring of this fungus. They have been fed a diet of polymers and animal fat, making them appear man-made - their bodies are mostly "plastic".
Who made this quote? is this in a scientific document, I'm particulary interested in this part of the quote:
They have been fed a diet of polymers and animal fat, making them appear man-made - their bodies are mostly "plastic".
Good theory by the way, following with great interest, I even read some of this over on the theories forum but didn't chime in.
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Post by kammy on Apr 21, 2009 14:13:52 GMT -5
TRAP TYPES 1 Here's my 'take' on this, I consider myself a fairly good communicator... if I can't understand it - then how can you? So, that's why I'm trying to lay down some foundation in the beginning here, because, once it gets 'flying'... you may not make heads or tails of the conversations... lol Ok, back to this site, if you click on "Traps" on the Philip Jacobs home page: Trap types of predaceaous nematophagous fungi"Trap types of predaceous nematophagous fungi" "Adhesive columnar branches One- to three-celled hyphal branches covered with adhesive substance. Sometimes developing meshes or ladders." "Adhesive three-dimensional networks Covered with adhesive substance. Loop diameter 20-59 µm. High trapping quota in vitro because of their three-dimensional structure." "Constricting rings Stalked, three-celled rings. Diameter 20-50 µm. Cells expand towards the inner side when touched there and ensnare the prey, rotifers and protozoa as well as nematodes."
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Post by kammy on Apr 21, 2009 14:16:54 GMT -5
Kammy, read the whole thread, very interesting, a few questions: Particularly concerning this quote: "I still think these fibers are nematodes. They are tapered on both ends, they move and undulate and are drawn to the sticky traps produced by the predatory fungi. There is even a pic I believe taken by yourself of a nematode with necklace. That is a nematode that was captured by the stick trap ring of this fungus. They have been fed a diet of polymers and animal fat, making them appear man-made - their bodies are mostly "plastic". Who made this quote? is this in a scientific document, I'm particulary interested in this part of the quote: They have been fed a diet of polymers and animal fat, making them appear man-made - their bodies are mostly "plastic". Good theory by the way, following with great interest, I even read some of this over on the theories forum but didn't chime in. Hi Grady, "Sarothra" made that quote, I believe she has a medical background, I'm not sure about her entomology expertise, other than she seems well-versed. I'll explain where I think this statement comes from in a little bit.
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Post by kammy on Apr 21, 2009 14:19:09 GMT -5
TRAP TYPES 2 Trap types of predaceaous nematophagous fungi"Non-constricting rings Stalked, three-celled rings. Diameter 20-50 µm. Prey is entangled when trying to pass." "Spherical or oval adhesive knobs Multinuclear syncytia covered with adhesive substance. Diameter 6-10 µm. On 1-3-celled, non-adhesive stalks." "Hourglass-shaped adhesive knobs Multinuclear syncytia covered with adhesive substance. Diameter 12-20 µm. On sterigmata (short, non-cellular stalks). Very adhesive." *"Syncytia - Syncytium: Cell (i. e. entity not divided into cells) with more than one nucleus."
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Post by kammy on Apr 21, 2009 18:19:10 GMT -5
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Post by bannanny on Apr 21, 2009 20:44:18 GMT -5
This is probably the closest I've seen out of all of your different threads as to what could be causing morgellons kammy. Would you explain the biofilm a little more to me since I'm wondering if it could be the gel I'm so passionate about? Also, what are you referring to what I've ID'd?
hugs ~~ bannanny
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Post by imblownaway on Apr 21, 2009 21:06:35 GMT -5
WOW
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Post by ctbarb on Apr 21, 2009 23:35:07 GMT -5
kammy, Excellent research!!! Looks like slides that I just made from my sputum...I've had the thin dotted netting for a long time...I think some of the slides I sent to Toni has some of these included. I know I have a huge fungi amount onboard...you can clearly see it in all bodily fluids and samples. This is the breakthrough we've been looking for I believe! It certainly correlates with what I'm seeing coming from my own body! I'm printing this out and taking it to Boston this weekend...will talk more about this later. Again, great work! Love and Hugs, ctbarb
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