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Chem G Guest
New weapons for your arsenal « Thread Started on Mar 28, 2006, 11:06pm »
What up peeps?
Hope everyone is on the road to recovery!
I stumbled upon something that seems to be useful in the fight against Morgs and you all know I don't post unless I think it has real merit:
Taurine. Amino acid building block that seems to inhibit Morgs somehow. The big difference between it and other proteins is that it contains a sulfonic acid group rather than carboxylic acid group. This makes it a potent sulfur-bearing antioxidant. IMO worth adding to your arsenal against Morgs as I have certainly seen a benefit. My guess is that it inhibits Morg's ability to break-down sugars/carbs/alcohols for energy because it alters ionic membrane transfer.
I also found this website which has a great list of natural antidotes to biological toxins (and for the record I'm not saying this is bioterrorism nor do I agree with anything else on that site, I just like the list): http://www.kachina.net/~alunajoy/stressfree.html With the exception of #7 on the list, I know all of the others to have had a positive impact on symptom reduction for many Morgs sufferers. Note Taurine's mention in #3. Also iron chelators in #5 - this is what arteminisin does and was one of the things that put me over the top. IP6 may be even MORE effective from what I know of the chemistry. DON'T take with mineral or calcium supplements or you'll lose efficacy (they say to take only by itself and water between meals).
Get well everyone!
Chem G
PS - Werd to da wise: Timbor for housecleaning is da morgs nuke!
Re: New weapons for your arsenal « Reply #3 on Mar 28, 2006, 11:35pm »
Thanks for the heads up South!
I've missed you Chem.
You have me courious about the timbor. How are you using this?
Thanks for the tips and hope you are well.
Peace, Hope
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Re: New weapons for your arsenal « Reply #4 on Mar 29, 2006, 12:04am »
Hi Hope! I've missed you too and kisses back at ya!
I never could get my bed nor couch completely clean of these things using ammonia, isopropyl alcohol, borax mixtures, enzyme cleaners, oil solutions. NOTHING worked well until I started using a mixture of Timbor with water and a dab of dish soap (for the sufactant) and a small amount of neem oil. Just spray it on my sheets and couch daily and they are back to normal now! And if you have some particularily problematic clothing, a soak in Timbor will nuke any morgies! You can even spray the ceiling and walls if you need to and it's the total bomb for preventing mold and insect pests in home crawl spaces.
Re: New weapons for your arsenal « Reply #5 on Mar 29, 2006, 1:49am »
Vancomycin inhibits cell wall synthesis and the bacterium involved here falls in the line of mycoplasma and do not have cell walls so no dice on the vanco which is why it has not been successful in Morgs patients. The ribosome inhibitors work best - tetracycline, doxycycline, minocycline, etc. and you've had good luck with sulfa drugs which inhibit cell metabolites.
As for taking taurine - you could always come over here and enjoy some redbull cocktails with me! ;-) Twinlabs has a supplement called mega taurine that rawks! And if you workout you'll get ripped too!
Re: New weapons for your arsenal « Reply #7 on Mar 29, 2006, 2:09pm »
Hey ChemG, Glad to see you back posting I have been thinking about you lately and wondered how you were doing. Thanks for sharing the link. Great info. A trusted environmental Doc suggested Huperzine about a year ago. Noted success by significant other, but will have to get him to elaborate on that a little more. All great suggestions layed out. ...... Want to ask your opinion of this .......... http://www.filariajournal.com/content/5/1/1/abstract ...... Hope you are doing well. ....... JJ
Re: New weapons for your arsenal « Reply #8 on Mar 29, 2006, 3:16pm »
Hi JJ!
I'm doing awesome, and symptom free most of the time. Thanks for asking.
Yes, I think the ribosome inhibitors like doxycycline are an important tool for targeting the endosymbiotic bacterium these micro nematodes (that I believe Morgs to be) use for digestion. The combo of doxy (or tetracycline or minocycline), taurine and IP6 might be the trident we've been waiting for. The jury is still out on whether ivermectin should be included but I don't know of anyone who's been cured using it so I won't recommend it because of the toxicity involved.
Best Always,
Chem G
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Hey ChemG, Glad to see you back posting I have been thinking about you lately and wondered how you were doing. Thanks for sharing the link. Great info. A trusted environmental Doc suggested Huperzine about a year ago. Noted success by significant other, but will have to get him to elaborate on that a little more. All great suggestions layed out. ...... Want to ask your opinion of this .......... http://www.filariajournal.com/content/5/1/1/abstract ...... Hope you are doing well. ....... JJ
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Re: New weapons for your arsenal « Reply #9 on Mar 29, 2006, 7:39pm »
Terrific Chem! Excellent sites and info all around! Thanks for providing this.
CB, hey after reading your post, +the fears of cancer connections, +remembering how the Prescription for Nutritional Healing promoted the Cell Forte, =I looked into it and got the one under patent made by Enzymatic Therapy.
Contains this IP-6 (Inositol hexaphosphate).
Noticed there is a "max" formula too, didn't want the shiitake mushroom though due to my known mold allergy..
INTERESTING though, was on the label, that this Cell Forte boosts the KILLER CELLS.. and this is what Kerry has posted about months ago - how hers are depleted to extreme low levels and she was wondering if this was a key and if any of us would test for it, (those who had insurance)..
Kerry, how are you doing, and have you seen this product or using it?
anyway.. when I read that part, along with your posts as to the strong postive effects you were receiving, I decided to try out and have been using it about a week.. right now, I don't know what it may or may not be doing with all the things I'm using.
I've had gradual improvement in the past year but soooo many things involved, like we all do, so can't add anything regarding results in about the Cell Forte at this point, except that if you want to boost those KiLLER CElls!!!
hmmm.. I am wondering about two things here though..
ONE) Chem, you posted the Cal and Mag should not be taken together with.. hmm.. I think this is exactly the other components in this formula, YEP, it is Calcium Magnesium Phylate, that contains - Cal Mag and Phosporus... and the 800mg of IP-6 is: (inositol hexaphosphate) (from calcium magnesium phylate).. ..unless they are programed to release at different times maybe??
also Cell Forte contains: Inositol 220mg.. (apparently without the hex.. component)
TWO) anyone who has bipolar condition ..should be looking into current information on Inositol before using it, years ago I read that this supplement can trigger mania in bipolar individuals, I believe it was in the Prescription for Nutritional Healing.
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Re: New weapons for your arsenal « Reply #10 on Mar 29, 2006, 7:54pm »
I saw that too Spec regarding the Ca and Mg - apparently they are in the formula to stabilize the IP6 molecule. Any further minerals would be chelated by it, especially iron which the morgie needs. Directions say to take on an empty stomach with NO other supplements (between meals). I was told that immuno-compromised individuals and cancer patients should take 8 capsules a day so I'm guessing that's a good dose for morgs sufferers.
Re: New weapons for your arsenal « Reply #11 on Mar 29, 2006, 8:00pm »
Chem,
Have you found anything that helps to rid car, clothes, home of the mysterious white floating things? Would you suggest Timbor for this as well? Thank you, guest
Re: New weapons for your arsenal « Reply #12 on Mar 29, 2006, 9:04pm »
You know I've heard others speak of the white floaters but I have never seen them! My guess is yes, the Timbor should nuke all of that too. A little DMSO in the mixture wouldn't hurt to penetrate the floaters.
Re: New weapons for your arsenal « Reply #13 on Mar 29, 2006, 10:09pm »
Hi chem G! I wish I were you and could understand this stuff! Listen yesterday or a couple of days back, I was posting some goofy daydream that I had. I.E., something like they (the ones in power) must have something that prevents them from contracting Morgellons Disease.
i know you say "No" on consiracy theories and you most likely think like I, that it is all from Bt.Poisioning or a baculovirus.
But, please indulge me for a moment here. Alright, let's say like my daydream said......
That they have created some type of SYNTHETIC DNA......I wanted to know if this was possibe. I had never heard of anything like that and I was thinking they would use this synthetic DNA
on themselves to prevent them from getting this? I know you're probably laughing your butt off right now at me, yet I want to know. i respect your opinions very much.
Re: New weapons for your arsenal « Reply #14 on Mar 29, 2006, 10:59pm »
Hey London,
Yes, they can do gene manipulation by splicing amino acid sequences rather easily and even synthesize DNA. The hard part is introducing that manipulation into a human.
My thinking is just the opposite - I think morgs victims have a specific and rare gene code that makes us targets and we were never intended to be by the originators. The big problem is the symbiotic bacteria were engineered to be antibiotic resistant so as not to be destroyed by crop biocides.
Ever notice how mothers and children often have this when their husbands do not? Wonder why many morgs sufferers also have chronic lyme? There is a common gene sequence. I'm almost sure it is the HLA-DR4 and HLA-DR2 antigens. http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/abstract/323/4/219
Be well my friend!
Chem G
Quote:
Hi chem G! I wish I were you and could understand this stuff! Listen yesterday or a couple of days back, I was posting some goofy daydream that I had. I.E., something like they (the ones in power) must have something that prevents them from contracting Morgellons Disease.
i know you say "No" on consiracy theories and you most likely think like I, that it is all from Bt.Poisioning or a baculovirus.
But, please indulge me for a moment here. Alright, let's say like my daydream said......
That they have created some type of SYNTHETIC DNA......I wanted to know if this was possibe. I had never heard of anything like that and I was thinking they would use this synthetic DNA
on themselves to prevent them from getting this? I know you're probably laughing your butt off right now at me, yet I want to know. i respect your opinions very much.
Re: New weapons for your arsenal « Reply #17 on Mar 30, 2006, 2:42pm »
London,
No there should be no interaction of methionine with the other supplements I listed. If you don't eat much diary, chicken or beef you may need to supplement it but I would not expect any benefit from it in the fight against Morgs.
Be well!
Chem G
PS - Looked at that other site and yes, common knowledge that genetic manipulation is easy to do to make biological weapons. It is DIFFICULT tho to manipulate human DNA to make one resistant to bio weapons and I think that was your original question?
Re: New weapons for your arsenal « Reply #18 on Mar 31, 2006, 1:57pm »
London,
I would NOT supplement with methionine! It could actually make things WORSE for you! If my theory is correct then the micro nematodes use it - found in the crystals (glitter) the symbiotic bacteria make for the morgies:
>>The antibiotics were what originally interested Ensign in the nematode symbionts. When he got his first glimpse of Photorhabdus through a microscope, however, he switched research gears. Staring back at him from each of the rod-shaped bacterial cells were giant spots of bright crystals. Ensign was familiar with such crystals from another soil bacterium, Bacillus thuringiensis, best known for its production of the insecticide Bt (SN: 9/12/92, p. 166; 7/9/88, p. 27).
Yet when he and his coworkers fed or injected the crystals into a variety of insects, nothing happened. The crystals clearly were not responsible for killing the insects.
The crystals were essential to the symbiosis, however. When the bacteria were mutated to eliminate crystal production, their nematode partners could no longer thrive.
Analysis of the crystals revealed a protein rich in methionine and lysine, two of the essential amino acids that are sometimes difficult for animals to obtain. That's why lysine, for example, is typically added to animal feed and why corn has been bred to boost its lysine content.<<
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Kerry, how are you doing, and have you seen this product or using it?
YEP, it is Calcium Magnesium Phylate, that contains - Cal Mag and Phosporus... and the 800mg of IP-6 is: (inositol hexaphosphate) (from calcium magnesium phylate)..