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Re: Yes or No? Have you ever seen a knot > « Reply #100 on Jun 1, 2006, 3:01pm »
Okay...London...I've got racing brain...and I so have to get back to this but need to ask you something right now my mind is drawing a blank. I wont be able to come back to this until tonight because busy with children and performances and stuff.
Chitin...not that what's the other one...the other plant "c" nope just got it "cellulose." Okay so watchin' The Animal Planet lately with my kid right...in which the "The Most Extreme" that I posted the other day is Animal Planet not the Discovery Channel...dumb ass. Anyway...there are sea creatures that are creatures that produce cellulose. From my understanding cellulose is a plant derived material right!? Right...got me thinking about nasty ass flukes again.
Flukes CAN reproduce and survive in the presence of oxygen. Something that I've recently but slowly been getting in to. When the fluke eggs hit the earth they are exposed to oxygen...then when the egg hatches they are also exposed to oxygen as are the cercaria when they leave the snail in search of the final host. Interesting, hell yes. It changes so many thoughts of these parasites or the internal helminth parasite. That's just another reason how I know these are our monsters...there is so much NOT KNOWN about them. Then I've heard how are fibers are thought by some to be simple cellulose...what if they are or partially are and still produced by a fluke!? Anyway...the parasitic flukes are thought to be evolved species of Turbellarian or Planaria ...they are in the same class of the Platyhelminths. Well...those are free living worm parasites...free living, simple celled parasites that have evolved to being our completely parasitic beasts. How could a fluke produce eggs that would need to exit the human host and be capable of surviving in an oxygen rich environment? Even though the flukes can survive with some oxygen...I don't understand!? How can they survive inside the body with little oxygen but could survive being exposed to much oxygen? Isn't that funky? If the ancestors of parasitic flukes bodies contain chitin and cellulose couldn't the parasitic flukes as well? I've gotten in to it a little but not much but it's way on my mind. This is all new territory for me to dive through. I don't know much about chemistry and components of structures and such but perhaps it's time for me to learn huh!?! Don't know if you or anyone else would know about this but thought I'd ask before I had to go.
Re: Yes or No? Have you ever seen a knot > « Reply #101 on Jun 1, 2006, 7:08pm »
Carrie,
I'm very sorry, this is not my area......but man, your take up above has me thinking now...
Interesting.....I will keep pondering this.....
I posted a link the other day that was an article on multiple helminth infections. This is what I think we have.......
Carrie,
i don't know if I can say I have seen a fluke worm from me or not. I do think my lung infection is from them though, just have not seen one.
I have seen / got proof of this from me:
Daphnea (water flea....which I just found out today, causes a ginnea worm to hatch in ones body and this does not show up until a year later.....there is no cure for this guinne worm either!
Tapeworm_ 2 3/4 " ones from a small lesion on my back.......
C. Elegans.
If this is not multi-parasitic, I do not know what is........
Hey, will try to find you that article on flukes producing in pores too.
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Re: Yes or No? Have you ever seen a knot > « Reply #103 on Jun 1, 2006, 8:54pm »
Ms. Princess Fluke,
carrie wrote:
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Even though the flukes can survive with some oxygen...I don't understand!? How can they survive inside the body with little oxygen but could survive being exposed to much oxygen? Isn't that funky?
I think it is this type of adaptability that has caused them to spread and evolve prolifically through the ages. When I was reading a lot about the shistos flukes, two more of these highly adaptable features surprised me.
One was certain varieties could survive in salt water or fresh water.
The second was the ph range they could survive in...anywhere from 5 to 10
No wonder they are so hard to get rid of. Need real damaging stuff, herbal or medicinal or zapper, whatever.
One of those stupid sack like things (fluke? likely) came out of my arm, kind of look like an eggplant shape. I happened to be putting some thiabendazole cream on at the time, so decided to experiment and massaged a tad in.. just a bit. Up until then, It was laying there like it was dead and when i did this, got mad and stuck a fiber out the "top" and stuck my finger with a jab! This connection to my skin was quite strong and was surprised at the strength of this anchoring technique.
what happens when we use something they don't like, we feel like we get a stinging attack.. I wonder why?
anyway.. they are survivors of so many environments.
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Re: Yes or No? Have you ever seen a knot > « Reply #104 on Jun 2, 2006, 3:58am »
London...reply #102 reminds me of a movie trailer that I'd seen while seeing "Over the Hedge" this weekend. It's called...wait, get this okay...we must all go see this alright!?! "How to eat Fried Worms!" Just the previews were so dang nasty...ewe yuck!
I've asked you London gurl about that C. Elegens several times...would you tell me more about it please? Multiparasitic...oh yeah, I agree.
Spec...you are so right...they can survive under so many different circumstances because of the life cycle stages too ya know. That is something I totally not thought about. Each stage must be able to endure both environments as it requires both to go on. Or well...it is thought to anyway!!! Who really know? I didn't know that about ph's though...haven't gotten there yet either, that is a big slacker on my part, I know how important that is.
How big was that pear Spec...dyin' to know! What did it look like?
Joined: Mar 2006 Gender: Female Posts: 4,671 Location: Portland, Oregon
Re: Yes or No? Have you ever seen a knot > « Reply #105 on Jun 2, 2006, 4:20am »
So...lets say we've got a fluke egg...bare butt ass naked egg...how could or would it survive if it was just there in some dung? Or...if it was surrounded by some cellulose type material...like a little sack or something...sitting in the dung waiting for a rain to thin the dung to whisk it away into a near by pond or mud type puddle or something!? I mean...would it be necessary for the egg to be encased in this type of sack to survive the environment if it wasn't deposited directly into the water where it'd have the protection from direct UV light? Hum!? Cattle and sheep don't generally directly defecate into a pond right? Nature is good...these parasites are very good at learning and adapting by what ever means necessary to have their species survive and carry on the family name. Anyway...I can't find it but it is known that the fluke eggs don't float on standard fecal examinations. Why? Why is it that all the other helminth eggs float but not the fluke eggs? What is keeping them bogged down? Check this out: http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/curriescam....scd.jpg&.src=ph
Okay...I posted the second picture before...like the eggs being encased in this fiber blanket...on both sides. But I didn't remember the first picture until I was on the phone with some one this evening talkin' about some things. It's amazing how I am finding stuff from my stool that I am finding in my skin and from out of my nose. The first image are of the macro chains but toward the bottom you can see a transparent bunch of what looks like eggs. You can't see them as good on Yahoo as you can on my images so if you want a clearer image or to have the ability to manipulate the image email me and I'll send you the image from my home box. Anyway...those are the chains of eggs. Then the second image is the fiber like blankets that encase the eggs that are found with in the chains of eggs. What's up with that? Could it be possible that they are like that to protect them from the environment while they are waiting for the rains to wash them into a pond or something wet like that? If they become dry...like I was talkin' to my friend about...if they were to dry out in that "dung pile" or on my skin could the eggs become airborne while attached to a fiber? Oh...don't know...what do ya think?
They must survive a gang of environments to get to the next step...very different than the life cycle of the roundworms...the round worms don't need to go through all the hastle...they've got it easy compared to the life cycle of the fluke. Perhaps another one of the amazing differences...and a contributor to the plaque the demon beasts suffice.
Sorry London...off thread topic but you got me started with all this sea creature stuff...hope you don't mind.
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Re: Yes or No? Have you ever seen a knot > « Reply #106 on Jun 2, 2006, 4:55am »
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[quote="Sabrina"]Thanks so much for your response David.
Sounds like you have known about this animal for a while now. I still need some convincing about this being the ONLY animal with these unique abilities. How can you be sure?
Can you comment on the cellulose fibers that Dr Shimek speaks about in his article?
A quote I found in this article about Tunicates says, “Curiously, one of the few other places where cellulose is found in animals is as fibers deposited within the skin.”
Then the author just stops short right there. What could he be talking about?
Here are a few more interesting facts about this animal I found and relates to exactly what you said.
The team found genes involved in producing the tough sheath—made of cellulose—that encompasses the sea squirt. This was unexpected because only plant and bacteria are known to produce cellulose.
The ascidian genome has also acquired a number of lineage-specific innovations, including a group of genes engaged in cellulose metabolism that are related to those in bacteria and fungi.
6.“Fibers” are reported in and on skin lesions. They are generally described by patients as white, but clinicians also report seeing blue, green, red, and black fibers, that fluoresce when viewed under ultraviolet light (Wood's lamp). Objects described as “granules”, similar in size and shape to sand grains, can occasionally be removed from either broken or intact skin by physicians, but are commonly reported by patients. Patients report seeing black “specks” or “dots” on or in their skin, as well as unusual 1-3 mm “fuzzballs” both in their lesions and on (or falling from) intact skin.
The make up of the Morgellons fibers is cellulose. What creature could do this to humans or, "animals" as stated in Dr. Shimek's work? :shock:
Peace, Sabrina
Sabrina...is that Hope?
Hum...I just started digging into this. I did a search on the "Sea Squirt" and found you...yep...found this post here. I'm finding that flukes may have a chitin and cellulose resources!!! Talk to me. You know it's hard for me to bounce around. Email me at home would ya? campcurry@msn.com
Please read reply #100 and #105...let me know what you think. I don't know much about this aspect of "life." This will all be a new learning experience. But that is not true...that only plant and bacteria are known to produce cellulose. I'm finding that is not the case.
I just wrote that to the Bio-board for Sabrina or Hope. Is that Hope? Does any one know? Anyway...the Sea Squirt is the creature that I found that does create or produce or is consisted of cellulose. Funny to find more inqiries about it amongst us huh!?! Interesting.
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