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Post by ruth on Sept 22, 2009 12:49:14 GMT -5
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Post by imblownaway on Sept 22, 2009 13:04:57 GMT -5
wow hmmm hmmm. I have been leary of spider webs from day one. Somethings just not right theses days around my house anyway. I have been sweeping things out he back door. the other day in the right sunlight and angle. I noticed that the dog hair I had been sweeping off the porch had. How can I put this Well the hair had conected with spider webs and connected with the other hairs and was bulding opon itself. like it was climbing back up the steps. forming it own climbing web. anyone else seen this. The hair from my brush will do the same thing. they conect to each other. this stuff freaks me out. hey anyone tried to latch onto a tall building yet?
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Post by ruth on Sept 22, 2009 14:27:45 GMT -5
a few years ago, i lived in a 15 ft. trailer. in the bedroom i watched a thick web weave across half the room.
i NEVER saw a spider weaving it and i was looking.
when i read about the spider silk being liquid and as it is sgueezed out of a pore, the fiber appears.
i've tried looking for pics of those biosteel goats to see if any have lesions, but only select pics are available to view
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Post by imblownaway on Sept 22, 2009 15:18:46 GMT -5
webs without spiders. Been one of the questions I have had for along time. Just afriad to ask if anyone else thought so. my eyesight isnt the best anymore so I am never quite sure. yesterday for example a very long ,thin, single stranded, web floated beside me. it had a small object on the end. It looked like a tiny flower ,something plant like anyway. it drifted around me a little and then merged into a weed. ( whatever was on the end of it seemed to be the same thing as what is the buds on the weed. It was so weird. I ran in to get my glasse, looked real closely at the weed, and nothing there. no web no spider jsut the weed. LOL I wasnt smoking or drinking anything mind altering either. LOL
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Post by bannanny on Sept 22, 2009 18:53:37 GMT -5
I KNEW IT, I KNEW IT, I KNEW IT!!!!!!! Ruthie... you just made me feel like I've been right all along about the morg strands being some kind of bioengineered spider silk. There's just toooo many web-like strands involved in this mess and like you imblownaway... I related to every single thing you said and I've seen it all with my own eyes too. I even watched the strands form on the screen of my window (which I can't get out BTW) that's next to where I sit at my puter. I'd be sitting here and whenever my hands would get so sticky I couldn't stand it, I started rubbing them out at the window and the air from the cooler would carry the stuff outside... but it attached to the screen for the most part instead. The screen's been cleaned... but even so, the same exact strands have appeared from the networking that's embedded into the screen now from the gel. They appear again in my house too after I've cleaned them away... and they always end up turning an amber color. Now these pics of engineered spider silk show me more proof than anything. It looks exactly like the segmented strands we've been lookin at forever in our samples. Just like this one of mine... Compare it to the pic of the engineered spider silk and tell me they aren't the same freakin thing... [glow=red,2,300]Fibers of engineered spider silk proteins assembled in a microfluidic device: micrographs of fibrous eADF3 (in water). Dark and bright spots in crossed-polarizers microscopy reveal areas of higher and lower molecular orientation. By reversing the direction of flow in the microfluidic device, eADF3 fibers can be collapsed into small coils. Obtained fibers are quite flexible and able to bear large curvatures. (Scale bar: 10 ìm.)[/glow] I'm pretty jazzed by these pics and the info provided ruth.... thank you soooo much for finding it. This really is something, I just know it. Now we just have to find a way to dissolve the stuff. I don't think the strands are what makes up the entire morg pathogen tho, but I know in my heart they're a huge part of it! big big hugs ~~ bannanny
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Post by bannanny on Sept 22, 2009 19:37:34 GMT -5
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Post by ruth on Sept 22, 2009 21:52:10 GMT -5
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Post by rhorn2006 on Sept 23, 2009 0:22:16 GMT -5
I had a "bad" spider web like problem a month or two before my morgellons onset, that hit me as being really odd for several reasons!! I wont say where I think they came from,, because it's so freaken weird, it even make me second guess my sanity,, and that was before my morgellons onset began!!! It was back when all the armed forces were mobilizing, a month or so before we actually began the invasion part.. Those big double bladed military cargo choppers were flying over my house in groups "really low and slow" several times a day and during the night for a couple of weeks.. About the time they had stopped flying over, one day I noticed something "really odd" nothing like anything I had ever seen, heard of before, or could find anywhere on the net "and I tried!" (I have to keep that part to myself because it sounds way to nuts for me to tell).. A couple of days later I began seeing little quarter sized spider-web looking things everywhere in my house (kind of odd because they did not really look like normal spider-webs, the strands were kind of thick, like they were really old and had collected years of dark gray colored dust on them,, but I was pretty sure that they had not been there before.. (they looked like those dust covered cob-webs like you would see in the basement during some horror movie,, but really small, about quarter sized, and fuzzy dark gray to black,, kind of like they were covered in charcoal suite from a fire) They just suddenly appeared all over the upper-walls and ceilings of my house,, but I never once saw a single spider or any other kind of bug, in or near, any of them!!! It still gives me chills to recall this stuff.. It seemed to begin kind of suddenly from out of nowhere just after the other thing "I don't talk about" happened.. When I first noticed these small webs, I saw them around the top out-side edges of my kitchen cabinets, where they meet the ceiling. Then noticed they were everywhere up high in the kitchen and on the ceiling as well. I also noticed they were in the adjoining living room, and looking down the hallway they were there as well.. I went room to room and found like 30 or 40 of these little dark-gray dust covered quarter sized cob-web looking things in every room of my house! (with the highest concentration of them being in my kitchen area and in both of my bathrooms) My first reaction was to grab a broom and go "room to room" trying to brush them down, though they did not sweep off like most spider-webs do,, these seemed more to smear on the wall and stick there,, looking a lot like little charcoal colored smudges of dirt.. Other than being a little irritated, knowing that I was going to have to spend a day scrubbing off all of the spots on my walls and ceilings,, I really did not think much about it at the time.. (I do remember thinking that I must have a-lot of spiders to have that many web's, but I could not see any at all,, so I thought they were probably some kind of really tiny house spider and just left it at that) Then two days later,, I noticed the kitchen ceiling was covered with new ones "just like before" walking room to room, it was the exact same way as it was a couple of days before,,, little dark gray black quarter sized mini cob-webs everywhere!! I thought,, these tiny spiders must have been small enough to hide within the ceiling texture when I brushed down the webs before, and had just built new ones.. So this time I used the vacuum cleaner to do the walls, ceilings, and the floors "in every room" expecting that I got all of the spiders, took the bag out to the trash, and thought the problem had been solved once and for all.. The next morning while I was in the bathroom, I looked up and to my surprise there were already quite a few new ones "like at least a couple dozen or so in the bathroom alone!! Looking everywhere else, they were coming back the same way in all the rooms!! This time I began to get kind of irritated,, so I got a flashlight, a magnifying glass, and got up on a stool to look for these tiny spiders "BUT THERE WAS NOTHING THERE!! NO SPIDERS OR BUGS OF ANY KIND!! JUST LITTLE BLACK COB-WEBS!!!" I decided to close the house up for a couple of days, set off a few bug-bombs in each room, and just repaint the walls and ceilings (had planned to do it anyway) thinking that would be more than enough to take care of the problem,,,,,,,,, "but I didn't!!" Almost before the paint could begin to dry the darn things started coming back again, just like before!! I continued to vacuum and broom everything every day,, then after a couple of weeks "just as quickly as they started" they stopped reforming.. I waited a few days and saw nothing, so I washed it all and repainted again,, never saw another one after that.. "BUT" I did start seeing rows of tiny thin black specs all over the place a few days later.. On my cabinets, counter-tops, sinks, showers, and so on,, they seemed to be forming like a mold or fungus all over everything that had a hard smooth finish,, but mostly on my electrical appliances and electronic stuff!! My microwave, refrigerator, stove, computer, monitor, stereo equipment, tv's, and so on,, was covered with tiny rows of these little black flake looking things,, but the worst was throughout my wall-through heat and air unit,, (it's like one of those they use in motels,, it's mounted through the wall, the front part on the inside and the back on the outside) It was so loaded with these things I had to pull the whole unit out the wall into the driveway,, and use a high-pressure sprayer with a Clorox mix,, then steam clean it out "twice" to get rid of them all!! These things were very thin, like tiny thin blue-black flakes, and always standing up on there edges in rows, never just laying flat.. (like those mushrooms that grow on trees, several sticking straight out over each other, thin and growing out in separate rows) Looking at these black flakes under magnification, they looked like really thin blue-black slivers of fresh chunk coal,, very thin but rough randomly shaped (like corn flakes) very shiny blue-black raven like color, but would flash a dark blue-green iridescence on the high spots as it picked up light when it was turned from side to side.. After scrubbing everything down the one time, using Clorox and other like cleaners, they seemed to be gone and did not come back any more,, that I noticed.... About a month or so later, the morgellons onset thing suddenly began... Freaky stuff!!
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Post by ruth on Sept 23, 2009 8:56:05 GMT -5
very interesting. even the crap that comes out of my lesions stand on edges, rarely flat.
plus i've seen chemtrails drop spider looking webs out of the planes. my hand caught one and it melted right into my hand.
i went looking for them on plants, but they seemed to melt into the plants? i could not retrieve any to scope because of the melting factor
on one of dr. hildes' writings, she mentions the black widow. i'll see if i can locate that.
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Post by violet on Sept 23, 2009 10:26:39 GMT -5
I had a "bad" spider web like problem a month or two before my morgellons onset, that hit me as being really odd for several reasons!! I wont say where I think they came from,, because it's so freaken weird, it even make me second guess my sanity,, and that was before my morgellons onset began!!! It was back when all the armed forces were mobilizing, a month or so before we actually began the invasion part.. Those big double bladed military cargo choppers were flying over my house in groups "really low and slow" several times a day and during the night for a couple of weeks.. About the time they had stopped flying over, one day I noticed something "really odd" nothing like anything I had ever seen, heard of before, or could find anywhere on the net "and I tried!" (I have to keep that part to myself because it sounds way to nutz for me to tell).. A couple of days later I began seeing little quarter sized spider-web looking things everywhere in my house (kind of odd because they did not really look like normal spider-webs, the strands were kind of thick, like they were really old and had collected years of dark gray colored dust on them,, but I was pretty sure that they had not been there before.. (they looked like those dust covered cob-webs like you would see in the basement during some horror movie,, but really small, about quarter sized, and fuzzy dark gray to black,, kind of like they were covered in charcoal suite from a fire) They just suddenly appeared all over the upper-walls and ceilings of my house,, but I never once saw a single spider or any other kind of bug, in or near, any of them!!! It still gives me chills to recall this stuff.. It seemed to begin kind of suddenly from out of nowhere just after the other thing "I don't talk about" happened.. When I first noticed these small webs, I saw them around the top out-side edges of my kitchen cabinets, where they meet the ceiling. Then noticed they were everywhere up high in the kitchen and on the ceiling as well. I also noticed they were in the adjoining living room, and looking down the hallway they were there as well.. I went room to room and found like 30 or 40 of these little dark-gray dust covered quarter sized cob-web looking things in every room of my house! (with the highest concentration of them being in my kitchen area and in both of my bathrooms) My first reaction was to grab a broom and go "room to room" trying to brush them down, though they did not sweep off like most spider-webs do,, these seemed more to smear on the wall and stick there,, looking a lot like little charcoal colored smudges of dirt.. Other than being a little irritated, knowing that I was going to have to spend a day scrubbing off all of the spots on my walls and ceilings,, I really did not think much about it at the time.. (I do remember thinking that I must have a-lot of spiders to have that many web's, but I could not see any at all,, so I thought they were probably some kind of really tiny house spider and just left it at that) Then two days later,, I noticed the kitchen ceiling was covered with new ones "just like before" walking room to room, it was the exact same way as it was a couple of days before,,, little dark gray black quarter sized mini cob-webs everywhere!! I thought,, these tiny spiders must have been small enough to hide within the ceiling texture when I brushed down the webs before, and had just built new ones.. So this time I used the vacuum cleaner to do the walls, ceilings, and the floors "in every room" expecting that I got all of the spiders, took the bag out to the trash, and thought the problem had been solved once and for all.. The next morning while I was in the bathroom, I looked up and to my surprise there were already quite a few new ones "like at least a couple dozen or so in the bathroom alone!! Looking everywhere else, they were coming back the same way in all the rooms!! This time I began to get kind of irritated,, so I got a flashlight, a magnifying glass, and got up on a stool to look for these tiny spiders "BUT THERE WAS NOTHING THERE!! NO SPIDERS OR BUGS OF ANY KIND!! JUST LITTLE BLACK COB-WEBS!!!" I decided to close the house up for a couple of days, set off a few bug-bombs in each room, and just repaint the walls and ceilings (had planned to do it anyway) thinking that would be more than enough to take care of the problem,,,,,,,,, "but I didn't!!" Almost before the paint could begin to dry the darn things started coming back again, just like before!! I continued to vacuum and broom everything every day,, then after a couple of weeks "just as quickly as they started" they stopped reforming.. I waited a few days and saw nothing, so I washed it all and repainted again,, never saw another one after that.. "BUT" I did start seeing rows of tiny thin black specs all over the place a few days later.. On my cabinets, counter-tops, sinks, showers, and so on,, they seemed to be forming like a mold or fungus all over everything that had a hard smooth finish,, but mostly on my electrical appliances and electronic stuff!! My microwave, refrigerator, stove, computer, monitor, stereo equipment, tv's, and so on,, was covered with tiny rows of these little black flake looking things,, but the worst was throughout my wall-through heat and air unit,, (it's like one of those they use in motels,, it's mounted through the wall, the front part on the inside and the back on the outside) It was so loaded with these things I had to pull the whole unit out the wall into the driveway,, and use a high-pressure sprayer with a Clorox mix,, then steam clean it out "twice" to get rid of them all!! These things were very thin, like tiny thin blue-black flakes, and always standing up on there edges in rows, never just laying flat.. (like those mushrooms that grow on trees, several sticking straight out over each other, thin and growing out in separate rows) Looking at these black flakes under magnification, they looked like really thin blue-black slivers of fresh chunk coal,, very thin but rough randomly shaped (like corn flakes) very shiny blue-black raven like color, but would flash a dark blue-green iridescence on the high spots as it picked up light when it was turned from side to side.. After scrubbing everything down the one time, using Clorox and other like cleaners, they seemed to be gone and did not come back any more,, that I noticed.... About a month or so later, the morgellons onset thing suddenly began... Freaky stuff!! r, that sounds more like fungus or mold than spider-created. I know that when my white cat walks under the water faucet that goes from the wall to the toilet in my bathroom, she gets a black smudge that nothing seems to remove from her fur. I've tried to clean that faucet, but the black just comes right back. I'm assuming this is some type of mold. I wonder if your webs might have been bioengineerd using something like that kind of mold. I have to say, I'm very impressed with the way you persisted in taking care of the webs and the thoroughness with which you cleaned and painted!!!! What a huge job, a couple of times!
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Post by lilsissy on Sept 23, 2009 13:29:18 GMT -5
Very good Ruth,
From what I've gathered they give different fibers for different purposes such as ....... Fibers for artificial nerve systems then they give fibers such as protein fibers to calm the inflammation .
They are literally transforming our body with these various fibers.
Jennifer
Look at the computer before you Veri-chip is likened to the tower (BRAIN) and the wires connecting the Tower (BRAIN) to the screen are likened to Morgellons Wires.
Various fibers contain the medicine to make it happen. This is likened to drug delivery patches.
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Post by rhorn2006 on Sept 23, 2009 16:06:27 GMT -5
Violet posted.... "I have to say, I'm very impressed with the way you persisted in taking care of the webs and the thoroughness with which you cleaned and painted!!!! What a huge job, a couple of times!" Well,, that was before my morgellons onset knocked the life out of me.. Actually, I had just bought the place,, a little farm house on 30+ acrs, way out in the country,, it was "a major fixer-upper" but I got into it really cheap!! I was having to redo almost everything anyway,, but it was my very own small farm where I could have all my cridders,, so it was actually more of "a labor of love" for me,, but that was before the morgy thing hit and messed everything up.. I sold the place to a corn grower who owned the joining property and raised a commercial corn crop every year.. I really wanted out of that place because after living in the house for 2 and a half years, to me the place was "morg-o-fested" and it was a relief to move to a fresh clean place and start over,, but I really hated to see that little house and barn get bulldozed into a pile and burnt up... On the bright side,, if there were really any morgys in there, they wasn't feeling to good at the time!! That was a big plus!
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Post by violet on Sept 23, 2009 16:19:55 GMT -5
Violet posted.... "I have to say, I'm very impressed with the way you persisted in taking care of the webs and the thoroughness with which you cleaned and painted!!!! What a huge job, a couple of times!" Well,, that was before my morgellons onset knocked the life out of me.. Actually, I had just bought the place,, a little farm house on 30+ acrs, way out in the country,, it was "a major fixer-upper" but I got into it really cheap!! I was having to redo almost everything anyway,, but it was my very own small farm where I could have all my cridders,, so it was actually more of "a labor of love" for me,, but that was before the morgy thing hit and messed everything up.. I sold the place to a corn grower who owned the joining property and raised a commercial corn crop every year.. I really wanted out of that place because after living in the house for 2 and a half years, to me the place was "morg-o-fested" and it was a relief to move to a fresh clean place and start over,, but I really hated to see that little house and barn get bulldozed into a pile and burnt up... On the bright side,, if there were really any morgys in there, they wasn't feeling to good at the time!! That was a big plus! I'm so sorry the "little" (30 acres!!) farm didn't work out for you r. I can sense how much you had enjoyed having gotten it and how it hurt to see it destroyed. Are you in a place with land, still, or have you downsized?
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Post by bannanny on Sept 23, 2009 16:56:14 GMT -5
The same exact thing happens here rhorn, except the web-like strands that form in Calif turn to an amber color, not black. But everytime I clean them away, they've reformed again within a day or 2 and there's not a spider to be found anywhere. They too leave an amber colored stain on the wall when I wash them away. I find alot of amber colored stains on the baseboards, doorways, etc. here too. I also see the black flakes. Where the air vent is in the ceiling of the kitchen, the current brings all kinds of things in from the contaminated environment outside. That's why I think my environemnt is so bad inside... it's an evaporative cooler and everything comes in with the air. On the side wall where the air hits in the kitchen there were black specs all over it that seemed to be connected by a very thin transparent strand... just like if you saw particles caught in a spiders web. They were washed off and the entire kitchen was painted just last week. They haven't appeared there again... not yet anyway. But I'm seeing them beneath the ledges of the countertops again. Were yours similar to this pic rhorn... That's what mine look like. When you talked about cleaning out your cooler, it reminded me of something that happened to me once. It was just after I'd gotten morgs that I had to get on the roof to clean out the reservoir and filters in the cooler. Mom was here to hold the ladder cuz it was hard for me due to my spinal diseases. I got up there with a mixture of bleach and water in a sprayer and the second I began spraying, single web-like strands started to form everywhere. The wind was blowing and they just kept elongating. They traveled to the power and phone lines and to the ladder. I stood there frozen and began to sob. I didn't know what to do. Mom finally coaxed me down, but she saw the whole thing happen too. I felt like I was standing right in the middle of a horror film. But ever since then is why I believe these strands are a huge part of morgs. I told my story to Dr. Hildy and she said it was more than liikely a morg reaction to the bleach. Another thing... spiders secrete a gel that forms their spider silk, duh! I have gel that's forming into strands on my own skin. You can see them forming from the culture kammy did of my gel... It all fits you guys... I know the strands are bioengineered spider silk and the gel is what's creating them. Someone would have to shoot me to get me to shut up about it. I'm gonna paste the article from ruth's link above. Notice how much the US Armed Forces are mentioned. They have exclusive rights to the morg investigation along with the CDC. Kaiser is out of the picture now. Also notice the date the article was published... it's about the same time morgs was being reported. I don't pay much attention to wording like... "one step closer" or "still in progress." We're being used for experiments... WE are what's still in progress. Animal cells spin spider silk Friday, 18 January 2002 Spider silk is stronger than steel by weight. A Canadian biotechnology company working with the US Army has successfully inserted spider genes into mammalian cells, taking them one step closer to their aim of manufacturing large quantities of spider silk using transgenic goats. Spider silk is strong and stretchy, and is sought after for use in medical, military, and industrial applications. But mass production in spider farms has so far failed, and attempts to insert genes into bacteria, yeast and plants have only yielded insoluble silk proteins that clump together inside the cells. Nexia's goats One company, Nexia Biotechnologies has the ultimate goal of transfering spider genes into the mammary cells of goats and and harvesting silk proteins from the milk. Work with goats is still in progress, however researchers from the company together with those from the US Army Soldier Biological Chemical Command, report today that they have spun spider silk from the secretions of genetically modified baby hamster kidney cells and cow mammary cells. The team, headed by Anthoula Lazaris, reports its findings in this week's issue of Science. Mammalian cells containing spider genes... The researchers inserted two sets of silk genes from orb-web weaving spiders into the hamster and cow cells. The cells then secreted water-soluble silk in a manner similar to the spider's silk gland. This enabled the researchers to spin the proteins into fine silk fibres by extruding them through a tiny hole at the end of a syringe into another solution containing methanol. Natural dragline silk — the stuff used by spiders in frames and safety lines of their webs — stretches better than nylon and is five times as strong, by weight, as steel. Surface of the BioSteel fibre The recombinant spider silk, trademarked BioSteel, is reported to be as tough and strong as the real thing, although less flexible, possibly because only one of the two proteins spiders use to spin their fibres was used. "Eco-friendly" yarn A company press release describes the recombinant spider silk as "eco-friendly" because it is biodegradable, being made only of amino acids ("the same building blocks that are used to make skin and hair"), and because producing it will not require harsh solvents such as those used in manufacturing most synthetic fibres. Nexia has exclusive worldwide rights to broad patents covering spider silks, genes, and proteins, and intends to create large quantities of BioSteel for use in artificial tendons and ligaments, medical sutures, biodegradable high-strength fishing lines, and even bullet-proof clothing - although states in its press release that any future plans are subject to certain "risks and uncertainties" that could cause "actual results to differ from those currently anticipated".The company plans to use its "proprietary transgenic goat technology" for mass production and reports it has already developed a number of male and female BioSteel founder goats, and that females will begin producing milk later this year. Anna Salleh - ABC Science Online We need to keep these names in our folders... Nexia BiotechnologiesThe recombinant spider silk, trademarked BioSteelUS Army Soldier Biological Chemical CommandAnthoula LazarisWhat I can easily see in progress is a class action lawsuit. hugs ~~ bannanny
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Post by imblownaway on Sept 23, 2009 17:16:17 GMT -5
I appreciate you telling that story. It is very interesting. I know "the part your not mentioning" wouldn't make me think your crazy. The webs I saw in the beginning were strange too but different. they were single strands dangling a couple inches from the ceiling. Lots of them. I didn't notice those ones till after I was sick. so I knew something wasn't right. And you mentioned the "corn flake" things. I used to find corn flake things in my sheets. at first glace you would have mistaken them for a scab but there were too many of them. under magnification thats what they looked like a corn flakes. but darker like maybe chocolate corn flakes. LOL So many weird things were happening all at once. But oh I remember these dots on the walls they were always in a line a vertical line if I remember correctly. sometimes crescent shaped. Oh now I sound nutty. LOL After bombing the house really good I didn't see a daddy long leg for a long time. and its normal here to have one in every corner. Well they are back now which was kind of comforting at first. But I think the webs are different. what I mean by that is they are not staying just in the corners like they used. These webs will go the whole length of the wall connected to each other. barely noticeable at first. I am not spider expert. that is just something that seems odd to me. Or maybe my house keeping skills have gotten so bad that I didn't know spider webs would do this. LOL I don't know. I cant help but ask what type of corn the guy was growing. was it organic? So many questions so little answers. I think that my environment was contaminated first. Then I got sick. Those single strands barely visible are outside. I can see them in the sunlight. They seems to love plants and grass. I don't remember seeing those kinds of webs when I was a kid. Just like I don't remember seeing the jets leave so many lines in the sky. No when I was a kid those lines evaporated pretty fast. Sorry to hear you had to give up your fixer upper. Having a piece of land that I could grow some food on is still a dream of mine. And if things continue like they are will be a necessity for anyone to survive.
Bananny those pictures look like a match to me. And oh Bananny your story on the roof. I can picture that in my mind so clearly the fear the shock and all. gee sh what we have been through.
Ruth- its a rare day here when I don't see the trails on the heavy days is when I feel very lethargic.
I think military involvement here is very likely. For what purpose I don't know.
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Post by bannanny on Sept 23, 2009 17:43:34 GMT -5
I think me, rhorn, and vi were all posting at the same time! I didn't see either of your posts til after I posted... so it's not cuz I was ignoring you guys! But yeah, that sucks that you had to give your farm up rhorn. Course on the other hand, I felt some good down home revenge just envisioning morgs being burnt to the ground. Then again, I hope the guy who bought it doesn't end up growing any kinds of crops cuz you know morgs are in the ground there. One of those no win situations it seems.
I wouldn't plant anything here cuz the soil's so contaminated. Like you imblownaway, when the sun hits just right I can see these strands traveling all over the ground. They sparkle at night too... when my dogs were still with me, there were plenty of times where they'd be at the door wanting to go outside. But they'd stop and just stare at the ground below the porch, then turn around looking all depressed and go back and lay down. That's when I started trying to see what it was they were seeing and it soon became very clear to me as well. My dogs taught me alot about this mess. I miss them so much I've been crying off and on the past few days thinking about all the good times we had together before morgs took it all away. I hate this thing more than I ever knew I was even capable of hating anything. I want revenge and I want it soon.
hugs ~~ bannanny
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Post by bannanny on Sept 25, 2009 19:23:10 GMT -5
Had to bump this up cuz I want others to see it too...
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Post by imblownaway on Sept 26, 2009 12:40:04 GMT -5
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Post by jeany on Sept 26, 2009 13:37:36 GMT -5
I found this subject interesting so I did a little research.I thought about how a spider might be involved in the process of Baculoviral pesticides and found this article about Agrobacterium Tumefaciens and spider insecticidal genes. Spider DNA is definitely in the MIX! As we all know Agro is involved, so this might also be of interest. And if we think about the particles we have found in rice that turned into fungus gnats.. I'm thinking about a possible re-combination yet unknown of several insect dna, insect toxins, Agrobacterium T and its characteristic to attach to human DNA and Baculoviral pesticides. Agrobacterium tumefaciens-mediated transformation of rice with the spider insecticidal gene conferring resistance to leaffolder and striped stem borerwww.nature.com/cr/journal/v11/n2/full/7290080a.htmlImmature embryos of rice varieties "Xiushui11" and "Chunjiang 11" precultured for 4d were infected and transformed by Agrobacterium tumefaciens strain EHA101/pExT7 (containing the spider insecticidal gene)Recently, more than 970 transgenic plants were produced with the modified SpI gene in two rice cultivars by using a modified Agrobacterium-based rice transformation.Insect feeding assays with the T1 plant tissues indicated that most of the transgenic plants tested were highly toxic to two major rice insects, striped stem borer and leaffolder, with near 38%-72% mortality within 7 d after infestation with few exception. Here we describe, for the first time, a method to efficiently transform rice by A. tumefaciences EHA101/pExT7. We produced a large number of transformants of two rice cultivars and demonstrated stable integration, expression, and inheritance of transgenes. Jeany
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Post by jeany on Sept 26, 2009 14:39:58 GMT -5
Here's an article of the Organic Consumers Association about Genetic Engineered Spider Toxins and it's threat to humans. GE Spider Viruses--A New Deadly Threat to Butterflies & Humans?www.organicconsumers.org/ge/spidervirus.cfmCan a deadly spider replace chemical pesticides? Could this be a threat to human livers and human health? Glenn King of the University of Connecticut Health Center in Farmington and his colleagues recently identified a unique family of toxins in the venom of a funnel-web spider. These neurotoxins are lethal when injected into insect tissues, yet have no effect if eaten by insects or other animals. King's team is now engineering the gene for one of these toxins into baculoviruses, common viruses that infect certain moths and butterflies, and have long been used as "biopesticides."There have already been several field trials worldwide of baculoviruses given a gene for a scorpion toxin (New Scientist, 21 January 1995, p 6). However, most of the scorpion toxin made in infected insects fails to fold into the correct shape, says King. By contrast, tests in bacteria suggest that almost 100 per cent of the spider toxin should fold properly, making the virus deadlier. King thinks engineering toxin genes into viruses is preferable to adding them to plants, such as Bt maize. Bt-corn has genes from the bacterium Bacillus thuringiensis spliced into the plant genes and its toxin is carried by wind-driven pollen to the leaves of milkweed where they can poison monarch caterpillars feeding on milkweed. Moore makes the point that the industry states that Bt-corn alone could not push monarchs and other butterflies over the edge, but a combination of other Monsanto and industry innovations just might. "Now we have Roundup ready crops and spider poison enhanced butterfly pathogens to deal with. Roundup ready crops are a direct threat in that they target milkweed, the monarch's host plant, as well as a whole spectrum of annual and perennial weeds for elimination. "Soon after GM virus were developed for insect control it was found that baculovirus were capable of infecting human liver cells," says Joe Cummins, Prof. Emeritus at the University of Western Ontario. Interestingly, the fact that baculovirus can infect human liver cells seems to have been ignored by those developing the virus for commercial pest control. The following discussion will deal with the use of baculovirus vectors and their safety. I understand that there has been a great deal of pressure to hasten approval of the GM baculovirus for pest control." "Ecological considerations for the impact of recombinant baculovirus insecticides have been studied extensively. Impact on non-target insects is extrapolated from insects of related phylogeny, a practice difficult to defend. The recombinant baculovirus were very persistent and capable of reshaping an ecosystem.""Baculovirus is a circular DNA duplex, it replicates in the insect cell nucleus and replication is prone to the generation of defective genomes by deletion. The mode of virus replication seems to make the recombinant virus highly unpredictable and prone to generating potentially undesirable variants. This important finding has not yet influenced the risk analysis of recombinant baculovirus insecticides and gene therapy vectors." "The most disconcerting finding is the one showing that replication of the baculovirus is inherently unpredictable.Jeany
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