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Post by Jill on Apr 5, 2008 11:06:07 GMT -5
I feel much the same as you do Ruth-
But listen- at least we are still "us"-
Even if the stuff changes DNA- if we find a way to stop it- we can regain health- if not to where we were prior- at least to a level where we can function (better than we are at this time).
I do believe that there is a way to stop the action of this stuff.
Was reading about selegiline - that is Miracle #1
Glutathione is another- which I truly believe will stop this thing.
Been putting the 'clues' together- from Mark Darrah- and I'm convinced there is a way to stop it.
More later
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Post by jj on Apr 5, 2008 12:40:42 GMT -5
Thank you, Kmarie for sharing these excellent images and ofcourse thank you to Mark too for the continued hard work and results.
A statement of Marks that I want to elaborate apon; "Also, I'm trying to illustrate that hair is possibly being modified. The black specs tie in with this direction I'm going..."
I have a few abnormal thick black hair that sometimes sprout from the chin. When they do I pluck them and there is usually a black spec left behind in the pore. Have always thought the hair was infiltrated and weird on different areas of the body. Plus hair line on forehead has expanded not receaded, underarms and pubic area texture and appearance and growth has changed as well. In otherwords I think not only is the hairs texture, color, and appearance affected but so are it's growth patterns and where it grows. Have been told this is normal when one ages ........ don't think so.
Again, thanks ... JJ
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Post by felixwillford on Apr 5, 2008 14:08:51 GMT -5
Thank you, Kmarie for sharing these excellent images and ofcourse thank you to Mark too for the continued hard work and results. A statement of Marks that I want to elaborate apon; "Also, I'm trying to illustrate that hair is possibly being modified. The black specs tie in with this direction I'm going..." I have a few abnormal thick black hair that sometimes sprout from the chin. When they do I pluck them and there is usually a black spec left behind in the pore. Have always thought the hair was infiltrated and weird on different areas of the body. Plus hair line on forehead has expanded not receaded, underarms and pubic area texture and appearance and growth has changed as well. In otherwords I think not only is the hairs texture, color, and appearance affected but so are it's growth patterns and where it grows. Have been told this is normal when one ages ........ don't think so. Again, thanks ... JJ JJ, Forwarded to Mark, will post his response when it arrives and I do work the weekend, but I promise to get it up as early as possible, will check the board when I can. Sincerely, Kmarie
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Post by cyn on Apr 5, 2008 17:15:46 GMT -5
Yes Kmarie, I would like to send him some chunks of the black rubber/tar stuff. Not much at all has been said about it. I wonder if it is mostly made up of heavy metal toxins. I can no longer get the cacoons they build with this stuff, but I do have smaller fresh chunks.
I know there is Marks' email posting somewhere, I will look for it.
RUTH - concerning insect formation - I scraped off a layer of dsp one morning to find a 1/2" long all white tick looking insect. But, it was just one layer thick. I could not believe the detail in construction of this project. It had only four legs, and two pincers- one on each side of the head, and I believe ticks have six legs?? But with just one more swipe of the knife it crumpled up into nothing. Have you found anything of this sort? Do they always build in layers?
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Post by jlk on Apr 5, 2008 19:25:09 GMT -5
Hey - I love you guys for openly discussing this horrid disease.
Thank You MARK D : I have yet to ever have a medical doctor look at all the crap that has formed in my skin or to look at what I have imaged under my cheap computer scope. It is a great feeling being able to know that a scientist is FINALLY LOOKING and SEEING WHAT I HAVE SEEN FOR SO LONG. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR DOING THIS - Love Ya!!
So many others who are very intelligent share the same experiences I have had for a at least 5 years and we all know it is weird but we also know it is real... and to all you DOP Docs out there - Shame - Shame on you for you inaccurate, inhumane and incompetent diagnosis. We will show you... we will prove our cases.
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Post by freyman on Apr 5, 2008 21:27:36 GMT -5
I hope that this post gets back to Mark in some way, I believe that the only chance we have of identifyiing this organism scientifically is to analyze the data in the context that it maybe a Poriferan(sponge) The reason I say this is because I believe that Porifera is the answer and I also believe that it is the cause of the spongy brain diseases (there is significant evidence to support this) which have been studied religeously by great minds around the world and most likely you will have the same problem they have had, no nucleic acid will be found. I'm not in the know of what professional research has found out about morgellons in the way of DNA but apparently nobody is finding any. I believe you will have better luck if you set out to prove that it is a sponge instead of seeking to find out what it is with no reference in mind. My guess is that fibronectin, a protein, will be found associated with morgellons as it is being found associated with many other diseases, fibronectin is the key to unlocking the answer and it is an integral part of sponge cell reaggregation/regeneration
Mark, look for Fibronectin
Steve Frey
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Post by cyn on Apr 6, 2008 2:08:25 GMT -5
Gee Ruth, That is something that must be hard to deal with. I can't imagine watching it unfold and "become". And then fly away, ugh. You are stronger than you think, I think! My insect had no folds whatsoever, it looked ready to get up and walk away, if he just had the rest of the layers. Are yours solid white in color? No, you said a yellow thrip, so you mean they actually color them to look real also? Have you had any with deep black parts? Are the factories where these are built, (your lesions?) are they all in the same area, like arms or legs or face? I ask, cuz I used to have access to the entities being built deep in the nasal passages. There must have been a major production line up there. But the white insect I found was in my arm, and it was way under a lesion, but so much larger than yours, maybe it was to be some kind of beetle. hmmm Very interesting Ruth, thanks for sharing this with us. I have never seen a completed insect, but have seen the swimmers that have reached 18" in length and swim with their heads up, very snakelike. And look exactly the same from one end to the other. They had a very glossy smooth finish, but again, all white.
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Post by felixwillford on Apr 6, 2008 15:49:10 GMT -5
Thank you, Kmarie for sharing these excellent images and ofcourse thank you to Mark too for the continued hard work and results. A statement of Marks that I want to elaborate apon; "Also, I'm trying to illustrate that hair is possibly being modified. The black specs tie in with this direction I'm going..." I have a few abnormal thick black hair that sometimes sprout from the chin. When they do I pluck them and there is usually a black spec left behind in the pore. Have always thought the hair was infiltrated and weird on different areas of the body. Plus hair line on forehead has expanded not receaded, underarms and pubic area texture and appearance and growth has changed as well. In otherwords I think not only is the hairs texture, color, and appearance affected but so are it's growth patterns and where it grows. Have been told this is normal when one ages ........ don't think so. Again, thanks ... JJ Mark's Response:JJ thanks as well -- I'm going to be looking at hair samples and see what the possible changes are in them.
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Post by felixwillford on Apr 6, 2008 17:46:26 GMT -5
Cyn,
Mark said he would definately like to examine the chunks of the black rubber/tar stuff.
Sent you a PM.
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Post by ruth on Apr 6, 2008 21:05:43 GMT -5
sorry i got off topic so i deleted a couple of my posts.
i'll put some pics up on the general health board if anyone wants to take a look.
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Post by felixwillford on Apr 7, 2008 8:35:41 GMT -5
I hope that this post gets back to Mark in some way, I believe that the only chance we have of identifyiing this organism scientifically is to analyze the data in the context that it maybe a Poriferan(sponge) The reason I say this is because I believe that Porifera is the answer and I also believe that it is the cause of the spongy brain diseases (there is significant evidence to support this) which have been studied religeously by great minds around the world and most likely you will have the same problem they have had, no nucleic acid will be found. I'm not in the know of what professional research has found out about morgellons in the way of DNA but apparently nobody is finding any. I believe you will have better luck if you set out to prove that it is a sponge instead of seeking to find out what it is with no reference in mind. My guess is that fibronectin, a protein, will be found associated with morgellons as it is being found associated with many other diseases, fibronectin is the key to unlocking the answer and it is an integral part of sponge cell reaggregation/regeneration Mark, look for Fibronectin Steve Frey Response from Mark Darrah: I am looking for proteins -- that will be a goal and will take some time. As for the sponge connection, that is something that would be difficult to ascertain. Protein/filament/materials identification and structural observations will be my direction at this point. Fibronectin: I will look for this in my protein search!
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Post by overandover on Apr 7, 2008 9:22:32 GMT -5
Kmarie, Thank you so much for posting Mark's images and answers to questions, with just starting a new job you have enough on your plate. I'm sure just getting through the day with your foot problems must drain you. You have the biggest heart sweetie. i think of you often and pray your doing OK. It is so hard working with Morgellons and I want you to know that I'm thinking of you.
Mark thank you so much for researching this horror, a true scientist can and should "look outside the box" I've wondered from the get go how so many doctors and lab techs. could just blow this off as nothing, clearly the images show otherwise. Getting them to look is the hard part. I ask a lab tech that reported my fibers as dust and debris a question once and got a dumb silence from him. He said he sees this a lot and that it's just dust contamination in the samples. I ask, well if you see it a lot? have you reported to someone, anyone, that skin plugs are showing up at a fast rate with dust debris and maybe we should start being more careful when doing biopsies and he gave me no answer.
How on earth could someone in medicine NOT wonder that.
Anyway sorry for my rant.
I feel better.
Thank you so very much for wondering why, for looking, for sharing what you are finding, for being a true man of science.
You are much appreciated.
That striped fiber is very scary looking and I'm so glad your looking into the way it changes hair and why.
Thank you so much Mark.
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Post by mfromcanada on Apr 7, 2008 13:51:15 GMT -5
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Post by Jill on Apr 7, 2008 16:24:37 GMT -5
RE:File name 012108-045.tif, waxy substance Dear Kmarie, When and if Mark has a chance, would you ask him if he believes that the waxy substance, above referenced, has anything to do with Mycoplasma? Question stems from this info: Overcoming CWD forms and L-forms According to Drs Baseman and Tulley, Mycoplasmas manipulate lipids (fats) in the blood and build protective shells out of material that the immune detecting cells do not recognize.
These fatty coats are similar to the waxy coats that Mycobacterium tuberculosis uses to shield itself from the antibiotics that attack it.Broad spectrum antibiotics like tetracycline are effective against CWD forms and L-forms. They act as a chelating agent to modify the actions of metalo-enzymes, and block internal processes critical to CWD survival. Metals are grabbed by the tetracyclines as their chelation works. For example, milk disables tetracycline by binding to the calcium. The goal is to have the drug to react against the microbes, not be disabled in your gut. These antibiotics are relatively mild. Higher doses are not effective against mycoplasmas. As Dr. Thomas McPherson Brown discovered, low and pulsed application of tetracycline (especially minocycline) is most effective, especially in the early stages of LD. This treatment also works against Chlamydia pneumoniae, which is an insidious, low level infection depositing arterial plaques leading to heart disease, atherosclerois, Alzheimers disease, and stroke. Slow death results over 20 to 40 years. Sixty percent of heart attack victims show C. pneumoniae evidence, yet this infection is largely undiagnosed or treated by our doctors. (See Ongoing Reserch) For Lyme Disease, different antibiotics in combination, tetracyclines (especially minocycline), and antifungals (perhaps tinidiazole or claforan) could be given intravenously for 3+ months until the start of remission. LD sometimes needs treatment as long as several years (see www.ra-infection-connection.com/free_articles/Lyme.htm Keywords- Lipids- Mycoplasmas manipulate lipids build protective shells out of material & immune detecting cells to not regonize
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Post by mfromcanada on Apr 7, 2008 19:41:18 GMT -5
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Post by cyn on Apr 7, 2008 20:05:23 GMT -5
No Canada, it must require "log in" to site, did you?
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Post by felixwillford on Apr 7, 2008 21:56:05 GMT -5
Mark's response:
Mycoplasmas and Fibronectin
These are interesting possibilities together or independently of each other. It is something I will look into. Identification of Mycoplasma strains is very difficult because of their small size (less than 1 micron). PCR would be a way to detect them; I will check into this as well. Fibronectin is on my list to try and detect, along with other proteins, including the possibility of Prions (self-replicating proteins), though this may prove difficult or impossible because we don't understand the way they work -- but we can possibly identify unique proteins if present. One can't also rule out the possibility of polysaccharides being involved in the waxy formations and black specs. We have preliminary data which may indicate this but need to do more sample analysis including NMR and Mass Spectroscopy to determine it.
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Post by freyman on Apr 7, 2008 22:05:13 GMT -5
Mark, Thanks for your reply, I would like to point out some areas of interest regarding the sponge and I think once you start looking at this angle it's going to get your attention.
The ability to disassociate and reaggregate it's cells, Cliff Mickelson describes this trait during one of his recorded observations, the sponge is the only organism known to man that could perform the feats Cliff speaks of.
From these extrusions the form also extends mucus that holds within it the colored micro fibers. This mucus like substance appears to be exactly like that produced by the body, except is will usually be full of colored fibers and also contain hundreds of the tiny black "pepperlike" specks that many have speculated are a form of "seed."
The mucus form often appears to function freely on it's own, but only has been found in the respiratory / digestive system and nasal passages of the host.
This particular form has a remarkable way of moving itself around. It will somehow throw a slender thread of mucus across the gap it wishes to bridge and then transfer itself in consecutive "blobs" to the new location by moving through the inside of the thread of mucus the way that water moves in a pipe.
As an aside, one interesting phenomena that I am currently investigating is that when Polysul is applied to the fluke form, it appears to break apart into a number of inert pieces that resemble a sort of "tapioca." This is a consistant reaction and one that I am most curious to understand. [/i]
It is my belief that the fibers found in morgellons, the tangles of proteins found in Alzheimers, and prions found in mad cow disease and it's human variant CJD are forms of spongin, a fiberous protein produced by the sponge, the similarities between them are simply too close to be coincidence, so in an attempt to save you some time I recommend targeting the areas of "spongin", as well as the sponges command of chemicals, and the similarities between mad cow, alzheimers, and morgellons with traits of the sponge.
Keep in mind, there are boring sponges that bore by chemical means leaving tunnuls and microscopic holes and that have been found in shelled invertebrates and worms, they can breakdown calcium and ingest it, there are parasitic sponges, and finally but most importantly, they are a mystery to us, older than everything, stranger than everything, and there is so very much we do not know about them.
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Post by freyman on Apr 7, 2008 22:21:33 GMT -5
Mark you mention prions, let me put a thought in your head, I believe prions are nothing more than spongin, I realize the man who propossed this theory won the noble prize for it, but I honestly think he is wrong, and I am certainly not alone in this belief since this theory is widely debated. If you study the mechanics and chemistry involved in the formation of spongin I think you will begin to see the similarities, the "stepping pattern" of spongin versus the "folding pattern" of prions, I think it's one thing described two ways, spongin is produced in layers, prions in folds. both of protien. At the link below I have placed 3d models of both spongiin and prions, also there you will find images of what I believe are sponges, these specimens literally transcended a latex gloove, I will give you details of this if you like. www.poriferaproject.com-a.googlepages.com/porifera%28thesponge%29A great article on spongin can be found here Insights into Early Extracellular Matrix Evolution: Spongin Short Chain Collagen-Related Proteins Are Homologous to Basement Membrane Type IV Collagens and Form a Novel Family Widely Distributed in Invertebrates mbe.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/full/23/12/2288There is only one area in the big picture involving mad cow and alzheimers that I cannot explain , and that is why they cannot find any nucleic acid from which to extract DNA, but considering the sponge's abililities and command of chemicals is it really a stretch of the imagination to think that it is possibly producing an environment that prevents us from finding that nucleic acid or that it has a way of existing without nucleic acid? I would also like to point out the fact that sponges not only have a unique relationship with bacterias they also are symbiont with mycoplasma-like organisms, microsporidians, and a whole list of other organisms, they are always found to co-habitate with a number of these symbionts, sometimes thousands of them can be found in a single sponge colony.
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Post by skytroll on Apr 8, 2008 2:08:13 GMT -5
Prions are from fungus. microbiologybytes.wordpress.com/2007/08/17/prions-of-fungi/MINIREVIEW Prions of Yeast and Fungi PROTEINS AS GENETIC MATERIAL* Reed B. WicknerDagger , Herman K. Edskes, Marie-Lise Maddelein, Kimberly L. Taylor, and Hiromitsu Moriyama From the Laboratory of Biochemistry and Genetics, NIDDK, National Institutes of Health, Bethesda, Maryland 20892-0830 INTRODUCTION The genetic properties of [URE3] and [PSI], two non-chromosomal genetic elements of Saccharomyces cerevisiae, indicated that they were infectious proteins (prions) (1). Subsequent studies have supported this proposal, and the genetic criteria we proposed have been used in the discovery of another new prion, [Het-s], in the filamentous fungus Podospora anserina (2). The prion hypothesis has long been an intriguing explanation of the transmissible spongiform encephalopathies, such as scrapie, Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease, and "mad cow disease" (3-5) (reviewed in Refs. 6 and 7). Studies using Saccharomyces and Podospora have provided evidence of a type not available from studies of scrapie that there can be such a thing as an infectious protein. This work also revealed that prions can be the basis for inherited traits and initiated the use of the powerful yeast system to study this phenomenon. Here we review the basis for the proposal that [URE3], [PSI], and [Het-s] are prions of the chromosomally encoded Ure2p, Sup35p, and Het-s protein, respectively. We also review the properties of [URE3] and [Het-s]. Further studies of [PSI] are reviewed by Liebman and Derkatch in the following minirev www.jbc.org/cgi/content/short/274/2/555Mark, could these be involved with this? The prions? Sup 35 is one they tried to make a circuit of. found electrical qualities in that. Recent research in the field of nanometer-scale electronics has focused on the operating principles of small-scale devices and schemes to realize useful circuits. In contrast to established "top-down" fabrication techniques, molecular self-assembly is emerging as a "bottom-up" approach for fabricating nanostructured materials. Biological macromolecules, especially proteins, provide many valuable properties, but poor physical stability and poor electrical characteristics have prevented their direct use in electrical circuits. Here we describe the use of self-assembling amyloid protein fibers to construct nanowire elements. Self-assembly of a prion determinant from Saccharomyces cerevisiae, the N-terminal and middle region (NM) of Sup35p, produced 10-nm-wide protein fibers that were stable under a wide variety of harsh physical conditions. Their lengths could be roughly controlled by assembly conditions in the range of 60 nm to several hundred micrometers. A genetically modified NM variant that presents reactive, surface-accessible cysteine residues was used to covalently link NM fibers to colloidal gold particles. These fibers were placed across gold electrodes, and additional metal was deposited by highly specific chemical enhancement of the colloidal gold by reductive deposition of metallic silver and gold from salts. The resulting silver and gold wires were 100 nm wide. These biotemplated metal wires demonstrated the conductive properties of a solid metal wire, such as low resistance and ohmic behavior. With such materials it should be possible to harness the extraordinary diversity and specificity of protein functions to nanoscale electrical circuitry.Revue / Journal Title Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the United States of America ISSN 0027-8424 CODEN PNASA6 Source / Source 2003, vol. 100, no8, pp. 4527-4532 [6 page(s) (article)] cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=14731021Check out these animations. Prions as well. Go all the way to bottom and look at the hanged computer. JUST FOR LAUGHS. www.rkm.com.au/imagelibrary/index.htmlSkytroll
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