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Post by kammy on Jun 7, 2009 9:15:36 GMT -5
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Post by kammy on Jun 7, 2009 9:16:32 GMT -5
Those photos look like crustaceans to me. abalone, conch.... They also look like a fungus. They could be a combination. Kritts Barb's photos, Kritts? What about Freaky's and Rhons?
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Post by kammy on Jun 7, 2009 9:24:30 GMT -5
[/I][/B] www.ucl.ac.uk/~ucbt212/chapter10.htmFreshwater limpets Ancylus are found on lake margins, but these are very small and have thinner shells than their marine counterparts. Most animals living on the exposed shores of lakes shelter under stones and do not show special adaptations for coping with wave action and other erosive forces. However, river animals live in an environment that is highly erosive, at least in fast-flowing sections. Few rooted plants are found in streams of low order, except at the margins. However, streams of mid order (and lowland streams of low order) that have an open canopy often have extensive growths of submerged and emergent aquatic plants [ 10.10.]. These plants are rooted between stones and trail in the current that is unidirectional, unlike the wave action affecting seaweeds. Submerged plants then become effective traps of material that provides nutrients and serves to consolidate the plants in the substratum. Rooted plants also shelter aquatic animals, just as do stones. Many animals in streams and rivers show mechanisms that prevent dislodgement. Flatworms [ 10.11.] and some insect larvae have a low profile [ 10.12.], which means they do not extend far from the boundary layer of near-stationary water close to the substratum on which they are moving. Leeches use suckers to attach in addition to their use in locomotion, and some insect larvae secrete silk for attachment. Blackfly larvae [ 10.13.] anchor into pads of silk, midge larvae build cases of silk and detritus (just as relatives do in filter beds), and some caddisfly larvae build retreats of silk and stone. Other caddisfly larvae build stone cases that are portable and thus serve as ballast and sinking devices should they become displaced [ 10.14.]. Yet other animals use claws on limbs to hold on and friction pads of setae are present in some mayfly larvae. Where the threat of erosion is ever present, it is not surprising that such a variety of mechanisms have evolved to prevent dislodgement of animals in streams and rivers. Where there is a regular input of fresh water into the sea, as in estuaries, we find osmoconformers like the polychaete worm Nereis [ 10.17.]. The worms are able to tolerate dilution of the body tissues, excreting water when conditions become more saline with the incoming tide. Excretion is also used to reduce the water content of tissues by permanent inhabitants of fresh waters such as bivalves. These had marine ancestors and bivalves colonised fresh waters successfully because they have a high capacity for excretion, dilute urine being passed from the body by excretory systems with a high retention for essential body chemicals. The mass of urine excreted by freshwater bivalves can be up to 400% of body mass each day, compared to 10% of body mass in marine forms. Migratory fish like salmon also have efficient kidneys and the mucus produced over the surface of their bodies acts as a barrier to the formation of an osmotic gradient. This mucus coating is analogous to the impervious covering of insects, crustaceans and molluscs. Perhaps the most astonishing aquatic invertebrates to show this strategy of coping with the threat of desiccation are larvae of the midge Polypedilum vanderplanki [ 10.41., 10.42.] which live in African rock pools of very short duration. As the pools dry, so do the midge larvae. Using anhydrobiosis, they replace water with chemicals that maintain the integrity of tissues and larvae are able to withstand long periods of drying in this state. They are also tolerant of a very wide range of temperatures and changes in their chemical environment. Mud cut from ponds can be stored on the laboratory shelf and years later placed into a dish of water. Larvae resume their aquatic life within minutes, swimming in the dish with the vigorous side-to-side body movements characteristic of midge larvae. ![](http://tbn3.google.com/images?q=tbn:dNxvKsmv6Eg7EM:http://home.zonnet.nl/lesvos/Ancylus.jpg) This site shows the capability of sea- and fresh water organisms in order to survive even in rough circumstances. IMO, there is definitely a marine organism somehow involved in this disease? I would bet it's in our water systems...why do so many people "show" marine/water organism looking specimens?? hmm, keeps me thinking... Jeany[/QUOTE]
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Post by kammy on Jun 7, 2009 9:28:42 GMT -5
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Post by kritters on Jun 7, 2009 9:29:08 GMT -5
Okay... Now here's Freaky's specimen! Isn't this something!? The 64 gazillion dollar question, what is it? I wish we knew ![:-/](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/undecided.png) ![](http://www.devcan.Com/imagehost/uploads/0fc13cd900.jpg) It's those same "track looking dash with the spaces looking things". I think Carrie has one like it too. These suckers keep showing up. I don't know the size of the dashes, nor the length of the thing in it's entirety. Freaky, can you give us an idea how long each one of those "dash" things are? Thank you also for sending this specimen pic. That looks like one of the photos of Borrellia burgdorferi to me in www.lymephotos.comKritters
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Post by kammy on Jun 7, 2009 9:35:08 GMT -5
Ok, Kritts says it's BB... and Jeany says it's BG.... hmmmm? And they both look the same? Interesting?
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Post by kritters on Jun 7, 2009 9:37:23 GMT -5
In the website I mentioned www.lymephotos.com which I assume you all on this forum have seen before, I think there are some amazing photos of tick-born co-infections. I have seen several of them, including ehrlichia and borrellia that look EXACTLY the same under my scope and I got them all from the stool. Although lab testing for Lyme etc. does not consider the stool samples, based on my research I believe they can be forund there, at least at some stage in their development. While I had literally hundreds of the B.b segmented 'worms' in only one stool sample, two weeks later there were none. Only tiny black specs which appear to be fungus. I still have it on a slide to see if it will change any, although it won't probably, so I'm going to get some petri dishes and keep checking them out every week or so. Kritts
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Post by kammy on Jun 7, 2009 9:59:15 GMT -5
Where did your specimens come from Rhon and Freaky? Stool?
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Post by jeany on Jun 7, 2009 10:02:50 GMT -5
In the website I mentioned www.lymephotos.com which I assume you all on this forum have seen before, I think there are some amazing photos of tick-born co-infections. I have seen several of them, including ehrlichia and borrellia that look EXACTLY the same under my scope and I got them all from the stool. Although lab testing for Lyme etc. does not consider the stool samples, based on my research I believe they can be forund there, at least at some stage in their development. While I had literally hundreds of the B.b segmented 'worms' in only one stool sample, two weeks later there were none. Only tiny black specs which appear to be fungus. I still have it on a slide to see if it will change any, although it won't probably, so I'm going to get some petri dishes and keep checking them out every week or so. Kritts Hey Kritts, good to see here!! yes, that Lyme photos site shows really something. Have you noticed that BB and BG look exactly the same? Only BB seems to be attached to something mucous looking? maybe this is silicone? It could be just another stage but belongs to the same family? hmmm, I told over at MDR that I had exactly the same specimen in my stool several times and by then I didn't even know I had lyme...or have even been tested for it yet. But I'm not totally sure, if, and I know you don't want to hear this, you can "see" BB or BG at those microscopical levels we use. As my Lyme and Morgellons doc told me you need at least 1000x..... but it could be, and I actually think so too, that it's somekind of mutated form..transmitted over insects. This mutation makes them "visible" even to the naked eye or even better at the microscopical levels we use.These forms are mutated due to pesticides, herbicides, environmental toxins and high levels of antibiotic residues in our water systems. Which leads us back again to the water source..... Jeany (btw it's me Kat..lol)
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Post by kammy on Jun 7, 2009 10:05:24 GMT -5
While I had literally hundreds of the B.b segmented 'worms' in only one stool sample, two weeks later there were none. Only tiny black specs which appear to be fungus. I still have it on a slide to see if it will change any, although it won't probably, so I'm going to get some petri dishes and keep checking them out every week or so. Kritts I think Kritts and Jeany have had lots of discussions on why BB and BG may or may not look alike on the MDR thread? I'd be interested to see what your black specks grow into, Kritts. Be sure to turn the dish upside down after you culture, and check it every day or two - you'd be surprised how fast these critters grow. I wonder if all Lyme's are producing the fungus black speck and just don't know it?
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Post by toni on Jun 7, 2009 10:06:06 GMT -5
Yes, that's true Jeany from what I've read too. The thing about these specimens (Rhorn's and Freaky's) are they are very much "macro" scopic. No scope needed. BB is very microscopic: tinyurl.com/qpw3zkand it's corkscrew shaped.
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Post by rhorn2006 on Jun 7, 2009 10:19:44 GMT -5
Toni,,, My samples come from stool only... Here is a link to the samples I sent to Randy Wymore at OSU several years ago.. Never heard back so I dont know what was learned from them if anything... show.simpload.com/index.php?filename=06074a2bd96a52a23.jpgFreaky and Rhorn, Where did these samples come from........ excuse me if you already stated! Skin, stool, nose? Just kinda wondering. Toni, Yeah, those are so so so similar. Seems like somebody (a professor in a parisitology school ) should have an idea? Two people producing the same thing! For crying out loud. I just had an idea! What about skipping these professors who seem to back off and go straight for a HIGH SCHOOL BIOLOGY/SCIENCE teacher? They will be more likely to "try" and perhaps give some clues. Some High School Teacher REALLY ENJOY "teaching" and the enthusiam may be an advantage verses the "FEAR OF MAKING A DIAGNOSIS" and working outside their professional affiliation with a college or research institute. As a nurse, I can be sued for working "outside my scope" of my License and I imagine colleges have their limits. But high schools may enjoy the challenge and curisoity.
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Post by jeany on Jun 7, 2009 11:20:58 GMT -5
While I had literally hundreds of the B.b segmented 'worms' in only one stool sample, two weeks later there were none. Only tiny black specs which appear to be fungus. I still have it on a slide to see if it will change any, although it won't probably, so I'm going to get some petri dishes and keep checking them out every week or so. Kritts I think Kritts and Jeany have had lots of discussions on why BB and BG may or may not look alike on the MDR thread? I'd be interested to see what your black specks grow into, Kritts. Be sure to turn the dish upside down after you culture, and check it every day or two - you'd be surprised how fast these critters grow. I wonder if all Lyme's are producing the fungus black speck and just don't know it? Kam*, I don't think "normal" Lyme disease sufferers have those black specks..because according to my Lyme tests I have this bacteria over a long time in my body possibly 20 years already and I never had black specks or even white specks falling from my head prior to Morgellons Disease. Those black and white specks are definitely IMO Morgellons related.. a fungus...as we have already researched.... Jeany
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Post by jeany on Jun 7, 2009 11:25:46 GMT -5
Kritts, maybe you could post your 2 lyme threads over here and we can join in? As you know, we have gathered quite alot interesting information there. Thanks Kritts you're the best! Jeany
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Post by lilsissy on Jun 7, 2009 12:05:23 GMT -5
VERY INTERESTING!!!!!!!!
jen
Also goes along with Russel Tice's (from N.S.A.) statement that Lyme was mixed with animal babesia and released in the 70's under the Ford administration,
Lyme mixed with worms.
The salt , vitiame C protocol was similar to the way I recovered from an attach on what the nurse tod me was an attack on the ligaments in my back. I could not walk I was shifted sideways in great pain. I rose out of my wheelchair and placed a cane between my legs and began to take small steps screaming in pain. After walks around my living room for about a week I advanced down to the corner , Then after about 1 week I advanced down the BLVD.
I walked it off literally and began to work on the house and then joined the Carpenters Union.
That was 1995 when I first became ill and this illness begins to take me back when I am laid off and lax.
I always eat alot of salt but when I was in the wheelchair I had not been eating properly.
I really believe everyone should include exercise or steam bath to increase circulation at least to the point of breaking a sweat.
As tolerated of course.
Getting up on your feet is important .
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Post by toni on Jun 7, 2009 12:21:08 GMT -5
Thank you so much Rhorn. That's where Freaky's are from too.
(the potty)
There's something brewing in our guts for sure.
(imho) this does look like fungi to me. Like in the mold family.
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Post by lilsissy on Jun 7, 2009 12:28:11 GMT -5
Salt and Vitamin C are some of the ingredients in sweat. If I have learned one thing to combat this disease it is to sweat it out!!!www.bellaonline.com/articles/art40225.aspJen The Science of Sweat Your body contains more than 2.5 million sweat glands all over your body. With that large of an amount, it’s no wonder the makers of Secret made it strong enough for a man. There are also two types of sweat glands, Eccrine sweat glands which are found all over the body (but more abundant in the hands, feet and forehead area) and generally have no smell as this sweat is composed mainly of water, salt, uric acid and Vitamin C. The function of these glands is to regulate body temperature. When the sweat evaporates a large amount of body heat evaporates with it. This function is very important because if our internal temperature changes by even a few degrees it can be life threatening. The Apocrine sweat glands are the ones that cause body odour. These are the glands that are located in the armpit and groin area. These glands lie dormant up until the wonderful years of puberty. The function of these glands, besides making you smell is still unknown. Some say that these sweat glands also contain pheromones, and that it was a primitive way of attracting a mate. Why do these sweat glands smell? The composition of Apocrine sweat glands consists mainly of protein and fatty acids. This sweat is also odourless. So what causes the smell? Bacteria that normally live on the skin feed off this sweat and produce that musky odour commonly termed B.O.Then was it off !! Maybe these bacteria follow sweat from the inside to the outside of your skin.
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Post by lilsissy on Jun 7, 2009 12:43:26 GMT -5
Tonie, the peppers we know that they help. Hot pepper cream first brought these fibers running from my sisters knee's. They make U sweat! www.curezone.com/dis/1.asp?C0=263Sweating (Parasites) Sweating is powerful way to cleanse your body from accumulated toxins. examples: - exercise with a lot of clothes - Sauna - drink warm tea in a hot room ... - eat CAYENNE pepper! ...
It is known that some modern industrial toxins and pesticides can leave your body only through sweat glands! --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Post by toni on Jun 7, 2009 13:12:20 GMT -5
Yes, not only do peppers help you sweat, but they contain so much antioxidants too (cell protectors) from those free radicals roaming in our body that attach to healthy cells and destroy them. Peppers help shield those little guys our cells with (antioxidants) as they destroy free radicals...and the peppers are loaded with nutrients too.
I should be one drenched (sweat gland) hahahah because IF you saw the amount of HOT peppers I've eaten DAILY for the last 30 years, you'd...well...not believe it, unless you could see what I mean. I really don't sweat though, maybe I'm immuned to them.
Everyone I've known, when they mention my name - I'm **toni*** the ONE who EATS HOT PEPPERS BY THE TRUCK LOADS. hhahaha That's how they intro me to someone, Peppers and my name are like the first and last name.
I am a (pepper head) hahah that's the term they call people who eat lots of hot peppers (found that reading one time). Isn't that a riot.
But nothing "should be living in me" as many pounds of peppers I eat per week.
You know those cans of Jallepeno's you buy in the speciality sections of the grocery stores? I eat at least 3 can's per week, and every month (every month) I make 1.5 gallons of fresh salsa, with cilantro, garlic, onions, 2 kinds of HOT peppers in it, and every other day of the week, not only do I scramble eggs with jallepenos sliced up in it with green onions, but I also pour HOT pepper salsa all over them.' You'd think I'd smell to high heaven hahhaha by this too, but I don't. I think probably my system is just use to it, or I'm just use to it, hahaha (I'm playing) but yes, they're VERY good for the bodies health.
At night, before I go to bed (seriously) I eat about 5 giant green olives, that are stuffed with Habenero peppers too, and that's not even counting all the "other salsa's we eat during the week" from the store (just trying out different brands) for the heck of it.
I am addicted to hot peppers I think. hahahaha
One thing else that hot peppers are GREAT for.
They give the body "naturally" a really good high!
Yep. Not high as in having a drink or something, it's BETTER than that the peppers do- it's a feeling of well being and calmness, because (endorphins) become released from eating them-fact.
Like exercise how it makes the body feel so wonderfully healthy afterwards? That's the endorphins that are being released.
The body needs these things to combat stress, which is why we have this mechanism in our body, and peppers WILL trigger the release of those wonderful endorphins too! ;D
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Post by toni on Jun 7, 2009 13:32:56 GMT -5
Boy, have I gone off topic with this but since we were talking about hot peppers, look at this, it's pretty neat. DID YOU KNOW..... CAPSAICIN (Zostrix), a topical nonprescription cream, made from the seeds of hot chili peppers, is used to treat skin hypersensitivity resulting from "shingles" (Herpes Zoster). It is the only medication approved by the Food and Drug Administration for treatment of post-herpetic neuralgia. (Article originally published in the Mayo Clinic Health Letter, Nov. 1997) ~~ Eating spicy food and/or chile peppers can become addictive. I agree. Studies have shown that, yes, eating spicy food is addicting. yepFROM ARTICLE ALSO: What happens after eating something hot, is your body nerves feel pain.
These pain signals are immediately transmitted to your brain.
Your brain interprets this signal and automatically releases [glow=red,2,300]endorphins[/glow] (the body's natural pain killer).
The endorphins kick in and act as a pain killer and create this temporary feeling of euphoria. Hot and spicy food lovers soon begin to crave this feeling and are hooked! [glow=red,2,300]Never knew that till this article.[/glow] www.texmextogo.com/chilipeppersfacts.htm
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