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Post by Jill on Jun 28, 2009 18:50:56 GMT -5
www.crosswalk.com/news/commentary/11605113/Where's the Choice in This? Funding Population Control Chuck Colson BreakPoint June 24, 2009 Excerpt: Last year, a young Chinese woman—let’s call her Dan Li—ran afoul of the Chinese government. She had become “illegally pregnant.” By the time the authorities found out, Dan Li was seven months along. Family planning officials tied her to a bed, induced labor, and, when the baby was born, killed the baby. What happened to Dan Li is an abomination—one, however, that tragically takes place regularly in China. But now, thanks to the U.S. Congress, you and I will be paying for it. Last March, without fanfare, Congress passed a bill providing $50 million for the United Nations Population Fund. This organization promotes abortion around the globe—including in China. What makes the bill especially heinous is that it voided Kemp-Kasten, a bill which, for two decades, prevented our tax dollars from funding forced abortions and sterilization. This blows the lid off the argument that abortion is all about giving a woman choice. If Congress really stands for choice, as they claim, why did they vote for coercion? If feminists are really for choice, why aren’t they fighting this law? Why isn’t our pro-choice President demanding that this brutalization of women be stopped? end excerpt
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Post by imblownaway on Jun 28, 2009 20:10:53 GMT -5
Scarey!
Hope we are not next for this kind of treatment.
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Post by bannanny on Jun 28, 2009 22:17:13 GMT -5
That makes my stomach turn and my heart hurt to the max... so much of what's happening today does.
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Post by lilsissy on Jun 28, 2009 22:53:10 GMT -5
How are they getting away with this without a clamor?
Really makes me wonder if we are not already programmed into submissiveness or maybe we are just pacified with our electronic gadgetry!!
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Post by ctbarb on Jun 28, 2009 23:29:57 GMT -5
It's really no surprise is it? They killed their own, and babies all over the world recently with their 'melamine murder mixture milk formula', the poisonous lead in the children's toys, the inedible and contaminated foods, and the list goes on! But, when you think about the horrors they have perpetrated on the world, what is the difference of what Monsanto has done and is still doing, to people's food supplies? Roundup Ready is deadly, with their 'inert' ingredients that 'just happen' to be in a combination with other 'active ingredients' that equals toxicity, and death to the plants that were sprayed, and to the folks who did the spraying! Now, THAT's population control!!! Get rid of the weeds, AND the weeders - no problem! No wonder it's the most popular weedkiller on the market! My question is: WHY are we paying taxes to support the people who are hired (in this country) to monitor and control the spread of poisons in our food, water, and air supplies??? They are clearly not doing their jobs, if they were, this would NOT be happening! But we keep sending in the dollars and they keep sending out the poisons - with one teeny-weeny exception: They are the ones that know WHERE the crops, water and air is polluted and contaminated, and WHY they are contaminated, WHEN they were contaminated, WHAT they were contaminated with (because they know what they were paid NOT to do), and the BIG ONE - WHO did the contaminating of everything we hold dear to support life as we know it! The Congress and Senate are so busy slapping the hands of their constituents for flying off to South America to visit their illicit lovers, and whether he used government funds, than to address the issues that are clearly more important to the nation at large! President Obama really needs to listen to the folks who voted him into office, and STOP those who are being paid outrageous salaries to do NOTHING! AND, what's worse, WE are paying them to do it!!! What's wrong with this picture??? I have an idea...hire and pay a fair salary to non-government auditors to go through each and every department of the government, and without regard for rank or privilege, fire those fools who are not doing their job according to their job description! Clear and simple...that's what happens to the taxpayers, so why not those deadbeats? Every auditor uses the same, exact parameters, is given a timeline for completion, and takes NO bribes or offerings from anyone, and just GETS THE JOB DONE! Oh, there is one final requirement: the auditors are not disclosed to those they are auditing...much like a secret shopper!!! ;D Are there honest, law abiding folks out there to do this job? YES, they were caught in the downsizing of their companies, are standing in the unemployment lines, and NEED the job! They have an axe to grind, so let them grind away! Sorry for the ranting, however, the country is the laughing stock of the world, we pay other countries so that they can survive; but what about paying our own citizens an honest, fair, wage for a job to clean up the effluent that our government has allowed to run our country? Everyone is worried about the bottom line, our bottom line here is "Big Talk - Big Money - No Action", that should be our motto instead of "In God We Trust", because obviously, we can't trust anyone who is killing our nation! I'm done, sick of even looking at the mayhem and destruction that is going on around us and to us. And WE'RE the ones who are delusional? ?? I think NOT!!! If we really want 'choice' for anything, we'd better be making some serious choices of our own where they'd be doing the most good. We are being murdered, a day at a time and a mouthful at a time. Respectfully, ctbarb
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Post by jwf on Jun 29, 2009 1:17:12 GMT -5
It appears that the author of the above article has little to no knowledge of what he is talking about.
Just to give you a hint of his ignorance here is the actual policy of the United Nations Population Fund towards abortion:
'Abortion Policy
UNFPA does not fund abortions. It is agency policy not to provide assistance for abortions, abortion services, or abortion-related equipment and supplies as a method of family planning. UNFPA seeks to minimize dependence on abortion as a method of family planning, opting instead for preventive services. UNFPA opposes fertility targets, quotas, and China’s onechild policy. The pilot program that UNFPA manages in China is designed to educate officials about the effectiveness of voluntary programs.'
www.populationconnection.org/site/DocServer/UNFPA.pdf?docID=290
You may want to cosider the source, its reliability and truthfulness, before getting steamed up about who is responsible for what.
Blue Skies...........John
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Post by friskers on Jun 29, 2009 1:54:25 GMT -5
No offence to you Jill but I think ths thread would be better suited in the government section IMHO
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Post by Jill on Jun 29, 2009 7:09:41 GMT -5
Imblownaway, Yes this is scary on many levels.... Bannanny, Agree that this is gut wrenching information. Those responsible will one day meet their Maker. Kmarie, the above article and others state that there are 500 suicides per day in China due to the forced abortions, so it's not just the baby but the women who are badly hurt by the abortion policies. www.lifenews.com/int1153.htmlExcerpt: Female Suicide According to the World Health Organization, China has the highest female suicide rate of any country in the world. Approximately 500 Chinese women commit suicide each day. Forced abortion traumatizes women. Could this high suicide rate be related to forced abortion? end excerpt Lil Sissy- your ask "How are they getting away with this without a clamour? Fact is- they are getting away with whatever they want to do- without a clamour. Started years ago when 'they' looted the Social Security Fund to use the money for other purposes. They hand out huge sums of money they term 'Bailouts' to their supporters (lenders/banks) and the taxpayers pick up the tab (for many years to come). Yet, those losing their homes get no bailout. We watch in horror as our property values plummet- and yet we are still taxed at the pre-recession (read: inflated) realty values. Appraised, of course, by the counties. The Fox guarding the hen house. CT barb, you bring up good point- Auditors. But then, 'they' have things the way they want them now- why would they want to audit themselves? JWF- the author of the article is Chuck Colson- who was special counsel (Attorney) to the President of the US- Mr Nixon. Not only is he an attorney but he knows how Washington DC works. The real inner workings, that is. We know China has a rule in place- the 1 child rule. We also know that Obama Admin sent the UN Population Fund- $50 million and Abortion Backers want more money.... www.lifenews.com/int1130.htmlObama Admin Sends UN Population Fund $50 Million, Abortion Backers Want More by Steven Ertelt LifeNews.com Editor March 18, 2009 Excerpt: "We respectfully request that you increase international family planning assistance funding by $530 million from last year's level, including a total of $65 million for the United Nations Population Fund in the Fiscal Year 2010 State and Foreign Operations Appropriations Act," the letter says. Perkins calls on Obama to say no. "Gallup found that an overwhelming majority of Americans object to paying for Obama's new export--overseas abortion. He may not be able to stop AIG from exploiting taxpayers, but the President can certainly keep his party from giving family planning' groups a raise," he said. Obama won't likely budget as he demonstrated his commitment to funding the controversial pro-abortion UN agency when he overturned the Mexico City Policy during his first week in office. end excerpt www.lifenews.com/int1153.htmlExcerpt: Just this month, Congress quietly passed $50 million in funding for UNFPA, the United Nations Family Planning Fund. The bill includes language that voids Kemp-Kasten, which for 23 years has stood to prevent U.S. dollars from funding coercive family planning. end excerpt So now the UN wants 530 million $$$ for world wide abortions..... the 50 million that 'quietly' passed through Congress was not enough. Friskers- lots of threads end up in this catagory- to include lost credit cards- happy birthday greetings and even the current 'My avatar and one great laugh too'.... You policing those too? Guess not- I see you posted on that last one.... This particular thread is Germane to the 'condition'. Speaks to the heart of the matter/s- Jill
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Post by friskers on Jun 29, 2009 10:55:32 GMT -5
Jioll Im not policing anything LOL and your right lots of threads dont belong in this section. Its just that I dont like reading aboiut politics when I come here so I avoid the government section.
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Post by bannanny on Jun 29, 2009 15:52:58 GMT -5
I hate it actually that threads have to be on one topic here. I don't float around here much myself... my brain does enough of that for me in just one section! ;D
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Post by violet on Jul 1, 2009 9:57:57 GMT -5
www.crosswalk.com/news/commentary/11605113/Where's the Choice in This? Funding Population Control Chuck Colson BreakPoint June 24, 2009 Excerpt: Last year, a young Chinese woman—let’s call her Dan Li—ran afoul of the Chinese government. She had become “illegally pregnant.” By the time the authorities found out, Dan Li was seven months along. Family planning officials tied her to a bed, induced labor, and, when the baby was born, killed the baby. What happened to Dan Li is an abomination—one, however, that tragically takes place regularly in China. But now, thanks to the U.S. Congress, you and I will be paying for it. Last March, without fanfare, Congress passed a bill providing $50 million for the United Nations Population Fund. This organization promotes abortion around the globe—including in China. What makes the bill especially heinous is that it voided Kemp-Kasten, a bill which, for two decades, prevented our tax dollars from funding forced abortions and sterilization. This blows the lid off the argument that abortion is all about giving a woman choice. If Congress really stands for choice, as they claim, why did they vote for coercion? If feminists are really for choice, why aren’t they fighting this law? Why isn’t our pro-choice President demanding that this brutalization of women be stopped? end excerpt And, unfortunately, this is only one huge issue Obama is guilty of. Much, much more he is trying to push that mainstream America and the majority of Americans are AGAINST!!!!!! And that is clearly, unequivicolly against scripture. And there is no stopping him. Our country (individuals as well as collectively) needs so much prayer and deep, deep intercession from the Lord.
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Post by violet on Jul 1, 2009 9:59:53 GMT -5
How are they getting away with this without a clamor? Really makes me wonder if we are not already programmed into submissiveness or maybe we are just pacified with our electronic gadgetry!! They are getting away with it because mainstream media does not disclose it for the most part. The article sent by Jill is from a Christian organization. THAT is where you will find balance to the very slanted media's reporting/non-reporting of issues.
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Post by violet on Jul 1, 2009 10:29:25 GMT -5
It appears that the author of the above article has little to no knowledge of what he is talking about.
Just to give you a hint of his ignorance here is the actual policy of the United Nations Population Fund towards abortion:
'Abortion Policy
UNFPA does not fund abortions. It is agency policy not to provide assistance for abortions, abortion services, or abortion-related equipment and supplies as a method of family planning. UNFPA seeks to minimize dependence on abortion as a method of family planning, opting instead for preventive services. UNFPA opposes fertility targets, quotas, and China’s onechild policy. The pilot program that UNFPA manages in China is designed to educate officials about the effectiveness of voluntary programs.'
www.populationconnection.org/site/DocServer/UNFPA.pdf?docID=290
You may want to cosider the source, its reliability and truthfulness, before getting steamed up about who is responsible for what.
Blue Skies...........John Hi, John. In theory, this would be wonderful. The reality, however, is that the UNFPA is stretched beyond its capacity to monitor their operations adequately. In addition, look who they are working with--the Chinese. Not exactly the most honest country in the world as we have unfortunately seen during the recent Olympics and for the past few years with the products imported here from China. The following article gives a very balanced report on the situation: www.state.gov/g/prm/rls/rpt/2002/12122.htm
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Post by kiki on Jul 1, 2009 18:18:33 GMT -5
Do not judge according to appearance but judge with righteous judgement. John 7: 24 I'm far from naive. I know people do bad and stupid things. And they will be judged. As will I. And when I am I dont want to try to justify why I judged someone based on speculation. Just saying...
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Post by violet on Jul 2, 2009 11:41:43 GMT -5
Do not judge according to appearance but judge with righteous judgement. John 7: 24 I'm far from naive. I know people do bad and stupid things. And they will be judged. As will I. And when I am I dont want to try to justify why I judged someone based on speculation. Just saying... Kiki, I agree with that. Very good admonition. Jill's post above included the following article that is a much better-supported explanation of the concern about the situation and why there is concern about our money going to UNFPA in China, specifically. Please note especially the italicized portions... Thanks to President Obama, Congress, U.S. Now Funding China Forced Abortions by Reggie Garcia Littlejohn April 8, 2009 LifeNews.com Note: Reggie Littlejohn serves as an expert on China's One-Child Policy for Human Rights Without Frontiers, in Belgium, as well as the China Aid Association. Email RSS Print You are funding forced abortions in China. So am I. Not only elective abortions. Forced abortions. It doesn't matter whether you are pro-life or pro-choice on this issue. No one can support forced abortion, because it is not a choice. What do I mean by “forced abortions”? Here are a couple of examples from the U.S. Department of State China Report, released on Feb. 25: “In March [2008] family planning officials in Henan Province reportedly forcibly detained a 23-year-old unmarried woman who was seven months pregnant. Officials reportedly tied her to a bed, induced labor, and killed the newborn upon delivery. “In April [2008] population-planning officials in Shandong Province reportedly detained and beat the sister of a woman who had illegally conceived a second child in an attempt to compel the woman to undergo an abortion.” According to the Congressional-Executive Commission on China report, released on Oct. 31, 2008, “Violators of the [one-child] policy are routinely punished with exorbitant fines, and in some cases, subjected to forced sterilization, forced abortion, arbitrary detention, and torture.” In my opinion, systematic use of forced abortion is a crime against humanity. And now, you and I will be footing the bill. Just this month, Congress quietly passed $50 million in funding for UNFPA, the United Nations Family Planning Fund. The bill includes language that voids Kemp-Kasten, which for 23 years has stood to prevent U.S. dollars from funding coercive family planning. The United States cut off funding UNFPA in 2001 because an investigation, headed by then Secretary of State Colin Powell, found that UNFPA was complicit with the Chinese Family Planning officials in coercive implementation of China’s One-Child Policy. According to our own State Department, as well as Amnesty International, China Aid and others, the implementation of China’s One-Child Policy remains coercive. Why must we fund forced abortion with our tax dollars? Not only are women dragged out of their homes screaming and pleading in “family planning raids,” but the One-Child Policy has also led to many other serious human rights violations. I'll name just three. Gendercide Because of the traditional preference for boys, most of the aborted babies are girls. There are 120 boys born for every 100 girls born in China, and in some areas the number is as high as 130 boys born for every 100 girls. Since the One-Child Policy was instituted in 1978, 400 million births—greater than the entire population of the United States—have been “prevented.” You could say that an entire nation of women is not living in China today because they were selectively aborted before they were born. This is gendercide. Human Trafficking and Sexual Slavery Because of abortion, abandonment, and infanticide of baby girls, there are an estimated 30 million Chinese men who will never marry because they cannot find wives. This gender imbalance is a powerful, driving force behind trafficking in women and sexual slavery from nations surrounding China. According to the February, 2009 State Department China Report, “Over the past five years, there reportedly was an increase in cross-border trafficking cases, with most trafficked women and girls coming from North Korea, Mongolia, and Vietnam. Others came from Burma, Laos, Russia, and Ukraine.” Female Suicide According to the World Health Organization, China has the highest female suicide rate of any country in the world. Approximately 500 Chinese women commit suicide each day. Forced abortion traumatizes women. Could this high suicide rate be related to forced abortion? And now, our taxpayer dollars will subsidize forced abortion in China. Think about that when you write your check to Uncle Sam on April 15. Then let President Obama and your congressional representatives know what you think. If there’s enough of an outcry, Congress can pass an amendment blocking our UNFPA funding from going to nations that practice coercive family planning. China should be excluded from UNFPA funding.It has often been said, “America is great because she is good, and if America ever ceases to be good, she will cease to be great.” May we not lose our goodness, and hence our greatness as a nation, by funding forced abortions in China.
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