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[nickthebuilder1234]

As described above, Chitin is a biological polymer. Very similar to Cellulose, with the exception of the ends of the molecular chain. Chitin is very much involved in this condition, the pathogen we are talking about, is a fungus, possibly a hybrid that is closer to being a microsporidia.

I didn't know much about Chitin or Cellulose before taking up research into morgellons. The information about this pathogen or fungus being cellulose based is bogus. After coming down with the condition myself (not nearly as serious as most) and with no luck treating it with antibiotics/antifungals topical or internal. In fact, like reported, the antibiotics only seemed to damage my system in the long run and allowed the symptoms to increase heavily after or even during the dosages. And from my readings, I wasn't even going to attempt taking this to a dermatologist. I was 25 when this started and had NEVER had such a skin condition in my life, I am in great shape, and I refused to believe that this was normal for skin to become so irritated and inflamed.

I was positive that I traced my exposure to an outdoor area, and soon enough, I found several people including a good friends with the same lesions. That's when I started my research, and being an amateur mycologist seems to have been my lucky advantage.

I am very interested in others trying the method of treatment that I developed, even though we are likely continually exposed on a weekly basis, treating the skin is the first step toward killing the spore producing colonies and therefor stopping the spread of the pathogen in the blood to other areas. I'm NOT selling anything, I'm NOT a physician and what I'm about to tell you will only cost you a couple bucks for a large volume of topical treatment.

The key here is Chitinase. Chitinase is an enzyme used in many biological processes to cleave the glucose bonds of Chitin. It's produced by many fungus as a building block for biological growth, and it's produced by some grains, as a means of defense against spores and fungus. In my case, I extracted Chitinase from several sources, including a Trichoderma fungus and Barley. Obviously for the average person, growing and extracting a enzyme from a fungus is not going to be easy, but I had equally effective results from the Barley Chitinase, and it's much easier to make.

Here is what you need to do... Find a home beer brewing store, and go there is person. Ask them for the most stripped out and unprocessed Barley that they carry, MAKE SURE IT IS BARLEY and not WHEAT, wheat doesn't contain the necessary enzymes. In my case, I think the strain was GR 18 or something to that effect. Most strains should work, but Barley is known to vary in enzyme levels. What your looking for is the most unprocessed, lightest color, Barley grain. They should be able to direct you to something close to that if you give them that description. It can not be roasted or otherwise adulterated barley. You shouldn't need more than a lb to treat the whole body, this should cost around a dollar. If they ask you if you want it milled, you can have this done, but you should then use all the extract that I'm going to describe, as milled barley might lose it's enzyme potency once it's sat after being milled. There might also be benefits to soaking the grain in water for several hours NON MILLED prior to making this extract. I had such good results with the milled barley that I'm not sure how how much better the non milled version of this extract would be.

Directions: Take the milled barley and put it in a plastic bowl. You really only need a half lb to make plenty enough to treat your whole body. Add spring water or distilled water, just enough to wet the grain evenly, and so that they are all saturated and loosely moving around in the water. You can use tap water if you don't have the others, but it's likely that there is a spore count in the water too and it will diminish the life of the enzymes before you even start using them. Now, let the mixture sit for around 4 hours in a cool place, anything under 80 F is fine, you just don't want it basking and rotting in the sun or heat. Next, get a blender and blend the mixture until it's very milky and pulverized. If you don't have a blender, get a pestle or something similar like the end of a metal ice cream scoop and smash the already milled grain until you feel that you have smashed everything a few times over in the contents of the bowl. Now you need a strainer or a piece of screen. Run the mash through the strainer and collect the fluid that results. Shake the mixture up and stir very well before straining so that the milky fluid works well through the screen. Now press the barley through the screen to really juice it. You should put the remaining barley in a piece of cheesecloth or a clean sock with a larger stitch like cheesecloth. Ok, now you have the enzyme/barley mixture finished. If you wanted to try the whole grain approach, soak it just like the milled barley, and you must use a blender with the method, otherwise following the same directions for the milled barley.

To treat yourself you will need to take off any clothing around the area you are treating, or possible just strip totally naked to avoid making a mess of your clothes. Put the solution in a cereal bowl or shallow bowl, put a plastic spoon in it and stir it every time before dipping your fingers in the bowl just enough to get a decent amount of the liquid on the underside of your fingers. It should be slightly pasty, if not, you might want to make it with less water than you used. Paste it over your lesions lightly so that you provide an even coat without pressing it all away from your skin. Let it sit on the area, and re-coat the area as soon as it feel like its starting to dry, which should take several min.

Now, don't be alarmed when you see the area flare up like a horrible allergic reaction, that's the Chitinase cleaving the fungus's chitin in your skin, and you will likely see the same broken vessels that we so commonly see after initial infection, only there will be many many more, and it's likely to sting and prick very notably especially more so if your more heavily infected. Let the remaining chalky residue sit for about an hour, and then go rinse it off or take a shower, or if you want, just leave it there the rest of the day until you do shower, it won't hurt you because it's just barley. You can save any leftover extract in the fridge but it won't keep for much more than a day or two and I would recommend using it fresh for best results.

One more thing I would like to mention is that I have talked to several of the prominent figured involved with the media's version of what is going on, several of whom are listed on morgellons organizations sites as professional references with credentials such as Dr. or Microbiologists, several of them whom have also been on Fox news. I won't mention names but I do want to say that most of these people are either puppets or they are scared, and they aren't looking for a cure, they are avoiding it. I spent months asking them for their opinion on the issue and it got mo nowhere. One of them in particular even took to personal attacks on myself for simply asking him for images of his SEM (scanning electron microscope) studies. I will tell you, with all confidence, that even those images are all fakes and have nothing to do with the said pathogen. If anything, they took the few crazy people who did scratch themselves bloody and used them to discredit those who have a legitimate fungal infection. All of his images, some of which are listed on a very well known morgellons organizations site, are very real SEM images, but once again, having nothing to do with the said pathogen.

I also might warn you that in my opinion these organizations are a fake front, possibly nothing more than a means to collect statistical data on infected individuals, crude as it is, whomever is running these sites has no intent to do anything more than make you think that they care, when they are really just wasting your time. The only person with valid research at this point, as far as I'm concerned is a man by the name of Clifford Carnicom. Read his studies and you will see the real pathogen at hand. I believe that he may have also been persuaded to stop talking about this issue, as he recently formed an organization to protect the individuals involved and the studies so far compiled.

I am very interested in hearing the results from others, this is one of the only forums that I have posted too. Spread this information, educate yourself, eventually the true information about this pathogen will be too widespread to ignore. I have ideas about which strain of fungus this is but it's likely so unknown that it's barely documented and surely has not been imaged under a microscope and published by anyone but Mr.Carnicom. At this point, the strain doesn't matter, the specifics don't matter, only the cure, only the composition (chitin), like I said microscopy imaging is already documented, naming the strain is nothing but a novelty.

Sorry if I misspelled of omitted a word here and there, it took me long enough to write this and I don't have time or care for perfection in writing, I'm just trying to get a message across. Once again, I have NO MORE SYMPTOMS, my lesions are 100% gone and scars are fading.

[bannanny]

No chit? ;D ;D ;D

Sorry, couldn't help myself!

My first impression is I believe everything you're saying. Thank you for posting your information nick... it's much appreciated. Sounds like you have alot of common sense about you! But I'm one of many who don't have lesions. Gel oozes from the palms of my hands and the souls of my feet. I also have the hair issues (I've gone bald twice now... I'm a female) and I have the visible trails beneath the skin as well. I show every symptom everyone else does... except I've never had any lesions in the 5+ years I've had morgs. My environment is just as contaminated as I am too.

Sooooo, how will this help me? Does it matter if you have lesions or not? If not, would you simply apply the mixture to your entire body, including the head?

It makes my heart sing when someone says they have no more symptoms... and I'm so very happy for you!

hugs ~~ bannanny

[nickthebuilder1234]

Great play on words there, I'm glad to see you have a sense of humor given your condition.

First off, I can't promise that 100% of people on this board have the same condition, and I wouldn't doubt that there are several infective agents heavily contaminating our environment as has been proven in the past by known cases of fungal infections.

But, don't lose hope because the answer is NO, not everyone has the same, or for the matter, any notable skin infections. They may be much less noticeable than what you see in images, as in my case, I was only affected with lesions in several small areas, but the overall condition started to manifest in several other characteristics, such as follicle infections. Only they weren't actually infections, they were likely histamine reactions due to a high concentration of the spores in my blood. The lesions are 100% gone and I don't get whole body symptoms with the follicles anymore, but every couple weeks, one will still pop up here and there. Not even comparable to the 20+ that I would get every single day. I attribute this to a constant heavy environmental contact and the fact that once you have had colonies on this skin, it may take our white blood cells weeks to scavenge all the spores from our system, therefor leaving us with a slightly higher blood concentration regardless of treatment.

As far as your hands and feet, I too has symptoms with my hands and feet, and it's likely due to a overload of toxins in the system. I think there is a strong connection to this infection as with most pathogenic infections, to raise the level of urea in our blood, therefor raising our blood pressure and creating more overall toxin release from our body. From what I have seen from the few people that I know with symptoms, the most confusing variable in diagnosis would be your skin type. A good friend of mine with the condition is African American and his pores took on a different look than mine did. Notably similar, but different. You have to look at any fungus on our skin like mycelium (the rooting or growing structure of a fungus) on a substrate (the object which you grow the fungus on and which it feeds on) and since we all sweat different levels of toxins and in different areas on our body, we will all have different levels of growth and different rates of growth.

Assuming you have morgellons and were exposed to the same fungus as most of us, I am going to assume you were exposed heavily on the head since you lost your hair. This isn't necessarily a 100% true though, you might have been exposed elsewhere, have colonies growing in that area heavily without symptoms, yet your head hair follicles were an ideal place for radical spores to land and culture. My guess would be that you have more productive sweat glands on your scalp than the average person and that's why the bulk of your infection is visible there. In my case, I never saw symptoms creap past neck, but I'm sure if I hadn't treated myself when I did, they would have consumed my hair also.

I'm curious, do you get a redness and irritation/burning/creeping feeling on your scalp before the hair falls out? In my case, the infected follicles would scar up and the hair would fall out within a week of the irritation, but in my case, these follicles were on my chest (where I tend to sweat more).

So to reiterate what I'm trying to say, no, you might not notice any symptoms elsewhere and yes the infection could be on your skin without you noticing, but I feel strongly that you would notice one of a few things if your so heavily infected.

First would be a notable change in the skin, a tightened sheen look and a raised look to follicles with a loss of pigment or scar tissue in the center of your pores.

Second, along with your increase in palm toxins, an increase in odor from increased urea production from dead blood cells, along with this is a good chance for the increase in blood pressure due to urea.

And third, around the times that you feel more symptoms, possible kidney/bladder pain or discomfort and definitely a notable increase in heavily clouded urine around these times.

If this all sounds oddly similar to what your experiencing, then yes, the Chitinase should still work, in your case I would coat every inch of the body, as it's likely that your skin is very heavily cultured at this point with your symptoms.

Remember, this is a fungus that is eating the skin, and it's probably keratinolytic which means it's primary source of energy is the Keratin in our skin, and the Urea (nitrogen source) in our sweat. The reason people are not dying right away is because the fungus has no use for the rest of our body unless it can degrade us to the point of having an endless supply of toxins.

In my opinion due to the nature of chitin, in that our body doesn't know it's there untill it's causing heavy tissue damage, people will likely die of other complications before they die of the actual fungus.

Hope this helps clarify something, please let me know if the symptoms I described with your scalp are true.

Edit: There I go, making a typo like I thought I would, time for bed.. Corrected above: "The reason people ARE NOT dying right away..."

[bannanny]

Gotta keep the sense of humor as often as I can or I'll give in to this mess completely! It's one of the few things that keeps me goin ya know? I don't think disease cares much for happiness either... so it's good ammo IMO!

Ok... you seem to know an awful lot! When I first got morgs, my blood pressure began to fall little by little, along with the 20 lbs. I shed. It got to be so low, they'd take it several times at the docs ofc... thinkin I should be close to dead I guess cuz it was so low. Then it started going back up little by little again... and it hasn't stopped. I take it every time I go into town and visit my friends. She has a defibrilator so she has a blood pressure machine handy all the time. The last time I took it, it was higher than it's ever been. 160/112 or something like that. I took it again and it had gone down to where it's usually been staying at 140/80. But yeah, there was a time it got all the way down to 90/50. I guess this thing messes with the blood pressure alot eh?

I know exactly when I got morgellons. I was driving home from town when it felt like someone hit me in the upper forehead with a blowgun filled with electrified stickers. Got home, immediately jumped in the shower, felt everything then that I feel now running down my legs... and you know the rest of the story. It's completely systemic now... but it started in the hair on my head. I've always been one to sweat easily (when I get reved up anyway) even thru my head.

I always have the crawling feelings in my head and my hair of course moves by itself nowadays. The strands are living inside of the hair shaft making it "pseudo hair" now. I've seen them emerge out of the ends of my hair plenty of times before. But I can't say I get any kind of burning sensations and then notice my hair falling out. I usually lose a bit of it just washing it in the shower tho.

I have the tightened sheen look to my skin... I know I'm covered head to toe in whatever morgs is. I have the clouded urine at times along with a pungent odor to it as well. I know this thing pretty well now... just don't know what's gonna stop it is all.

You might be interested in reading a fellow morgie friend's blog. I've started his protocol and altho it's too soon to tell, I think he may be on the right track. It's pretty interesting... talks about the terrain in our bodies. Here's his link, altho you may be familiar with him already...

morgellonspgpr.wordpress.com/2009/04/20/its-all-about-the-terrain/

I don't know when I'll get a chance to get the unprocessed barley... I'm out in the country and there's no home beer brewing stores around for miles that I know of. Any other way you can get the stuff?

hugs ~~ bannanny

[nickthebuilder1234]

I checked out that page, very interesting. He has very similar approaches as I did originally, although I didn't have any clue what I was deficient on due to no medical coverage, I did start taking L-Glutamine which is the only amino acid that can directly repair the digestive system damage and will replenish the supply of Glutamine in your bones (where it is stored) which plays a crucial role in neurotransmitter function and the balancing of PH, including reducing build up of ammonia in the brain, which can happen as a direct result of increased toxin levels.

I was also taking a high dosage of iodine which instantly lowered my anxiety/agitation levels and is interestingly directly involved in the process of weakening spores in the blood stream while it's stored in the thyroid. Most Americans are already deficient of iodine due to our low fish intake, or lack of anything other than farm raised toxic fish and that directly lowers our thyroid function and our defense against fungus...

However, I now take spirulina, as it contains all essential amino acids and iodine as well as most of the mineral salts that your friend has listen on his page. And it's much much cheaper than spending $10 a bottle on 12 different products.

Keep in mind though that treating internally will not destroy a fungal colony, it will only slow their distribution to other follicles while your system is still being drug down. The true key here is to eradicate the skin of the colony, and the body will do the rest. The reason your seeing cloudy urine is a spike in the level of dead white blood cells. I'm not sure if that's because they are effective at consuming the fungal spores, or because they die in large numbers in the process.

The real goal would be to for people to have access to a potent source of chitinase, like the extract that I have made from a Trichoderma fungus, but it's something that has to be done on a large level to be productive, and the shelf life is questionable.

The white slough or strings you are seeing come from follicles are likely strands of mycelium. I used to pick them from irritated pores which is a no no because it only furthers scars in the future, should you end up having success eradicating the fungus.

One last thing about the PH mention on your friends site. I had noticed this connection in the past and a direct relation between eating tomatoes or other acidic food, and flare-ups of my symptoms. So I would avoid excess acids at all costs.

-Nick

[nickthebuilder1234]

Almost forgot about the barley grain...

Here is a link to the local brewery store around where I live.
www.thegrape.net/browse.cfm/2,1398.html

On that page, I believe it's GR18B that I purchased when I cured myself, but try and search out a local store around you or one on the web that is close to you. It doesn't have to be GR18B, all barley produces some level of Chitinase, just some are much more potent than others. I imagine as long as it's a non-roasted Pale Base Male, it should work fine.

Also just a note that if you go into a brewery store, they are probably going to want to give you all sorts of advice on what your buying and what it's for and I imagine that telling them your going to smear it all over your body for the enzymes to cure a fungal infection would get odd looks. So if you do go in, in person, just tell them your making a very small test batch of a light beer. Even then -as in my case- they wanted to tell me about how I should buy these other grains to give it better flavor, blah blah, I just told them that's OK I like my recipe, I have made it before.

It's already nerve racking enough being told your a crazy person, and when you add in the suffering from the brainfog/confusion caused by this, the last thing you need is to get hounded about what kind of beer your making. Hey, I made a funny too...

-Nick

[violet]

Aug 12, 2009 23:00:35 GMT -5 nickthebuilder1234 said:

As described above, Chitin is a biological polymer. Very similar to Cellulose, with the exception of the ends of the molecular chain. Chitin is very much involved in this condition, the pathogen we are talking about, is a fungus, possibly a hybrid that is closer to being a microsporidia.

I didn't know much about Chitin or Cellulose before taking up research into morgellons. The information about this pathogen or fungus being cellulose based is bogus. After coming down with the condition myself (not nearly as serious as most) and with no luck treating it with antibiotics/antifungals topical or internal. In fact, like reported, the antibiotics only seemed to damage my system in the long run and allowed the symptoms to increase heavily after or even during the dosages. And from my readings, I wasn't even going to attempt taking this to a dermatologist. I was 25 when this started and had NEVER had such a skin condition in my life, I am in great shape, and I refused to believe that this was normal for skin to become so irritated and inflamed.

I was positive that I traced my exposure to an outdoor area, and soon enough, I found several people including a good friends with the same lesions. That's when I started my research, and being an amateur mycologist seems to have been my lucky advantage.

I am very interested in others trying the method of treatment that I developed, even though we are likely continually exposed on a weekly basis, treating the skin is the first step toward killing the spore producing colonies and therefor stopping the spread of the pathogen in the blood to other areas. I'm NOT selling anything, I'm NOT a physician and what I'm about to tell you will only cost you a couple bucks for a large volume of topical treatment.

The key here is Chitinase. Chitinase is an enzyme used in many biological processes to cleave the glucose bonds of Chitin. It's produced by many fungus as a building block for biological growth, and it's produced by some grains, as a means of defense against spores and fungus. In my case, I extracted Chitinase from several sources, including a Trichoderma fungus and Barley. Obviously for the average person, growing and extracting a enzyme from a fungus is not going to be easy, but I had equally effective results from the Barley Chitinase, and it's much easier to make.

Here is what you need to do... Find a home beer brewing store, and go there is person. Ask them for the most stripped out and unprocessed Barley that they carry, MAKE SURE IT IS BARLEY and not WHEAT, wheat doesn't contain the necessary enzymes. In my case, I think the strain was GR 18 or something to that effect. Most strains should work, but Barley is known to vary in enzyme levels. What your looking for is the most unprocessed, lightest color, Barley grain. They should be able to direct you to something close to that if you give them that description. It can not be roasted or otherwise adulterated barley. You shouldn't need more than a lb to treat the whole body, this should cost around a dollar. If they ask you if you want it milled, you can have this done, but you should then use all the extract that I'm going to describe, as milled barley might lose it's enzyme potency once it's sat after being milled. There might also be benefits to soaking the grain in water for several hours NON MILLED prior to making this extract. I had such good results with the milled barley that I'm not sure how how much better the non milled version of this extract would be.

Directions: Take the milled barley and put it in a plastic bowl. You really only need a half lb to make plenty enough to treat your whole body. Add spring water or distilled water, just enough to wet the grain evenly, and so that they are all saturated and loosely moving around in the water. You can use tap water if you don't have the others, but it's likely that there is a spore count in the water too and it will diminish the life of the enzymes before you even start using them. Now, let the mixture sit for around 4 hours in a cool place, anything under 80 F is fine, you just don't want it basking and rotting in the sun or heat. Next, get a blender and blend the mixture until it's very milky and pulverized. If you don't have a blender, get a pestle or something similar like the end of a metal ice cream scoop and smash the already milled grain until you feel that you have smashed everything a few times over in the contents of the bowl. Now you need a strainer or a piece of screen. Run the mash through the strainer and collect the fluid that results. Shake the mixture up and stir very well before straining so that the milky fluid works well through the screen. Now press the barley through the screen to really juice it. You should put the remaining barley in a piece of cheesecloth or a clean sock with a larger stitch like cheesecloth. Ok, now you have the enzyme/barley mixture finished. If you wanted to try the whole grain approach, soak it just like the milled barley, and you must use a blender with the method, otherwise following the same directions for the milled barley.

To treat yourself you will need to take off any clothing around the area you are treating, or possible just strip totally naked to avoid making a mess of your clothes. Put the solution in a cereal bowl or shallow bowl, put a plastic spoon in it and stir it every time before dipping your fingers in the bowl just enough to get a decent amount of the liquid on the underside of your fingers. It should be slightly pasty, if not, you might want to make it with less water than you used. Paste it over your lesions lightly so that you provide an even coat without pressing it all away from your skin. Let it sit on the area, and re-coat the area as soon as it feel like its starting to dry, which should take several min.

Now, don't be alarmed when you see the area flare up like a horrible allergic reaction, that's the Chitinase cleaving the fungus's chitin in your skin, and you will likely see the same broken vessels that we so commonly see after initial infection, only there will be many many more, and it's likely to sting and prick very notably especially more so if your more heavily infected. Let the remaining chalky residue sit for about an hour, and then go rinse it off or take a shower, or if you want, just leave it there the rest of the day until you do shower, it won't hurt you because it's just barley. You can save any leftover extract in the fridge but it won't keep for much more than a day or two and I would recommend using it fresh for best results.

One more thing I would like to mention is that I have talked to several of the prominent figured involved with the media's version of what is going on, several of whom are listed on morgellons organizations sites as professional references with credentials such as Dr. or Microbiologists, several of them whom have also been on Fox news. I won't mention names but I do want to say that most of these people are either puppets or they are scared, and they aren't looking for a cure, they are avoiding it. I spent months asking them for their opinion on the issue and it got mo nowhere. One of them in particular even took to personal attacks on myself for simply asking him for images of his SEM (scanning electron microscope) studies. I will tell you, with all confidence, that even those images are all fakes and have nothing to do with the said pathogen. If anything, they took the few crazy people who did scratch themselves bloody and used them to discredit those who have a legitimate fungal infection. All of his images, some of which are listed on a very well known morgellons organizations site, are very real SEM images, but once again, having nothing to do with the said pathogen.

I also might warn you that in my opinion these organizations are a fake front, possibly nothing more than a means to collect statistical data on infected individuals, crude as it is, whomever is running these sites has no intent to do anything more than make you think that they care, when they are really just wasting your time. The only person with valid research at this point, as far as I'm concerned is a man by the name of Clifford Carnicom. Read his studies and you will see the real pathogen at hand. I believe that he may have also been persuaded to stop talking about this issue, as he recently formed an organization to protect the individuals involved and the studies so far compiled.

I am very interested in hearing the results from others, this is one of the only forums that I have posted too. Spread this information, educate yourself, eventually the true information about this pathogen will be too widespread to ignore. I have ideas about which strain of fungus this is but it's likely so unknown that it's barely documented and surely has not been imaged under a microscope and published by anyone but Mr.Carnicom. At this point, the strain doesn't matter, the specifics don't matter, only the cure, only the composition (chitin), like I said microscopy imaging is already documented, naming the strain is nothing but a novelty.

Sorry if I misspelled of omitted a word here and there, it took me long enough to write this and I don't have time or care for perfection in writing, I'm just trying to get a message across. Once again, I have NO MORE SYMPTOMS, my lesions are 100% gone and scars are fading.

Nick, thank you so much for sharing this information with us.

[toni]

Nick,

Very interesting posts - thank you!

I was going to ask (jokingly) if you've been looking in my house, because we'd gotten some (Corona beer) JUST so I could try it on my lesions, because I wanted the "barley" aspect, without the wheat content.

I agree with alot you've said, and some I don't, (BUT) that's okay, because ALL our heads in this is what brings relief and or hopefully cure.

I am thrilled you've been able to cure yourself too. Thank God that's been possible because it sheds some light at the end of the tunnel, and I am glad you're better.

I understand that you understand (there's many facets to this and we might not all be "contaminted" the same).

I believe mine is in my lymphs. The reason I say this is because of the symmetry (mirror) images of lesions I've experienced.

In many areas we sure are on the same page too.

I wanted to show you these articles which I've gathered together, because chitin production/inhibition I think can be caused also by other means too to create oxidative stress.

www.faqs.org/patents/app/20090148539


www.freepatentsonline.com/6875766.html ribo inhibitor or thrive inhibitor


riboflavin

www.patentstorm.us/patents/6875766/description.html
isothiocyanate AITC and BITC


aac.asm.org/cgi/content/abstract/53/6/2392



www.caspases.org/showabstract.php?pmid=12879457
oxidative stress

isothiocyanate AITC and BITC


jpet.aspetjournals.org/cgi/content/full/296/1/198
isothiocyanate AITC and BITC


mutage.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/14/6/595


More on ribo b-2 topically
jn.nutrition.org/cgi/content/abstract/59/2/171



www.ingentaconnect.com/content/jws/jsfa/2005/00000085/00000009/art00003?crawler=true


I know there's alot here to read, (and they're not actually *in order*) but I think you'll find these as interesting as I did.

Thank you again!

[morgellonsmoe1]

Great info !!!
the PH info was great and didnt know about the minneral part

Quote
"Forget the Cause and Get on with the Business of Healing Yourself"

Yup thats the what most of us have tried to say over the yeaRS..
copy the ones that are better than you and stop trying to figure out what it is !

THE doctor doesnt have to know where you fell from to tell how to fix a broken leg, just needs to know how to make a cast

[nickthebuilder1234]

What you mentioned about your lymph nodes reminded me of another aspect of my research.

Google for Sporotrichosis Wikipedia.

It's a fungal skin infection that has several common traits that I noticed in morgellons such as lesions on or close to veins and also near lymph nodes. That's where I got the original idea that Iodine might help fight the battle, since it's on of the courses of treatment for Sporotrichosis although they don't know exactly why it works, it obviously has to do with Iodine being stores in our Throid, and killing or weakening the spores as they pass through our blood. It's said that every drop of our blood passes through our Thyroid every 17 min.

Unfortunately your beer idea probably won't work due to the limited shelf life of enzymes and their tendency to break down when in contact with other chemicals, such as those formed in brewing beer.

[nickthebuilder1234]

I don't know if this is what you meant, but I wanted clarify that the human body does not produce Chitin in any way. It's just not in our DNA to be able to do so, but we do have a mechanism to degrade Chitin, since our body produces small amounts of Chitinase as a allergy defense mechanism.

The allergy aspect of this should also be touched on. Many people have noticed a spike in allergies, and even after curing myself, I still have far worse allergies than even before, I strongly believe this to be from heavy environmental contamination and inhaled spores.

Chitin is the main cause for allergies, and asthma. Dust mites and fungal spores are a good percentage Chitin based, hence why they cause allergies. The problem with Chitin is that our body doesn't recognize it until it's on overload, and then it launches an attack that it usually can't win since the main tool in the attack (white blood cells) has no effect on the actual spore producing colonies elsewhere on the body. This is why Chitin is also responsible for Asthma. By the time the body notices that the lungs are full of garbage, it swells up so badly from histamines sent to clean the debris that the bronchi swell instantly and means of oxygen entry are blocked.

Now if I were a microbiologist, I'd just take a more productive Chitinase gene and use an agrobacterium to do a gene transfer into my DNA, and then I'd be immune... But then again gene transfers and bioengineering are likely the culprit that started this mess.

-Nick

[toni]

Nick,

Right, I know about chitin not being in the body (unless it's from an external source)...I only wanted to show that article because of all the allergens etc, sources (basically) and ailments they do cause, and how medicine today is just treating the symptoms and not the source.

And right, the (barely in the beer) didn't work, (because I'm sure of the fermentation along with everything else that's added, but I thought it interesting (how you'd mentioned it) and several weeks ago, I was applying it (in my experiments and from reading). (Same page is all) that I was sharing.

And I sure agree about the "shot of genes" for immunity sake such as like ( Roundup Ready) as it works to only implement "selected" genes. ;D

And who knows, we may have "antibiotic and antifungal Resistance built up" already from everything we've eaten since day one.

I do like your idea with the barely, and what do you think about the AITC or BITC (isothiocyanates) which are also found in "horseradish and mustard oils"?

I'd read where the Trichoderma (fighting fungi chitin with fungi) regarding cellular inhibition or destruction of chitin , so implementing (IF possibly) the (isothiocyanates) into the barley ( to help cover more bases of cell walls resistant to trichoderma)? I'm trying to figure "natural" ways also, that we can not only apply topically but take internally too.

Thanks!

[nickthebuilder1234]

I like the way your mind works Toni, it puts a smile on my face to see that people are stepping out of the box and realizing that we, too, have an inner scientist and. can solve problems when the medical community doesn't listen. Now back to your questions, very good questions...

Isothiocyanates appear that they would be very effective against most fungus (although they also are very pungent in odor) but there is one problem, being that one of thier main functions in stopping growth is to inhibit cytochrome P450 enzymes, therfor disrupting the growth of the protein (cytochrome P450) which are a major player in allmost all biological processes, including humans and fungus.

The problem here is that I was told personally in a response from Dr.Wymore, that azole type anti-fungal drugs had no effect on the condition, even in heavy doses. And azole antifungals mostly all work by inhibiting cytochrome P450. What this means is that the most notable effects of Isothiocyantes would also have no effect on the fungus.

This leaves me with the same impressions as what I stated earlier, that this isn't 100% fungus in nature, possibly partly microsporidia DNA, and since microsporidia (commonly called the "higher fungus") don't function with the same proteins as common fungus, they aren't susceptible to the same methods of inhibition.

But, I'm not all that educated on Isothiocyanates, and they are known to have other modes of action against fungus. The one other problem with eating too much mustard as if to use it as an internal treatment, is that our own bodies contain cytochrome P450 in the mitochondria that supply cells energy, and if you were to consume too much of it in one dose, it could actually harm you. Not to mention it's going to give you a horrible case of indigestion.

The situation with the blood isn't going to be an easy one to tackle due to the polymer like nature of Chitin, and I have a feeling that it's either going to be a novel random biological substance like these Isothiocyantes that we stumble on, before we have the ability to develop specific blood treatments. Chitinase intravenously would be perfect approach to blood treatment and safe (since it's already produced by our bodies), and if I had a doctor that had access to a pure medical form, I would be there in a second to have him give me a dose. But... Just about everything just said isn't possible. There aren't medical grade forms of Chitinase available commercially, and if there were, our doctors wouldn't have access to them.

As far as resistance to Trichderma's Chitinase, it's not likely possible. There are several forms of Chitinase that exist, and if the Barley works so effectively on this form of morgellons infection, then it's likely that it's the more common type of Chitin coating, as the Barley would have only evolved to produce Chitinase that would inhibit existent biological threats (fungus/spores).

I do have a theory that if a strong Trichoderma extract is made, far stronger than the ones that I have produced, that coating enough of the body would allow some of the enzyme to get close enough to or actually in the blood stream, and fight the Chitin on a intravenous level. This is however questionable since our squamos cells generally do a very good job shielding our internals from outside substances creeping in. But once again, if you were heavily infected with very raw and open patches, it's much more likely that the Chitinase would migrate through broken capillaries and into the blood stream.

-Nick

Edit: When mentioning the coating "Chitin" in the second to last paragraph, I had originally mixed up my words and falsely put "Chitinase".

[bannanny]

One thing I don't understand... if we can't get the chitanase into the blood stream (where morgellons is also thriving) then how is it that just by killing it on the skin's surface, we can rid ourselves of it? Like I said, I don't have any lesions... alot of us don't. Sorry if I sound stupid... but this thing confuses the heck outta me!

hugs ~~ bannanny

[nickthebuilder1234]

"Morgellons" was first identified by symptoms through the skin, in your case losing your hair is obviously a skin symptom. But it doesn't necessarily feast on every inch of you, otherwise you would likely have gone into shock and would be dead.

Look at it this way... Another keratin loving genus of fungus are the group Tinea, one of which is the fungus that causes athletes foot. Now you may step into a shower somewhere and unknowingly pick up this fungus, but it's not necessarily going to start eating your foot like it was to the person that it came from. It might even stick around and barely survive on your skin without symptoms forever, but all it takes is a minor change for it to have an opportunity to feast on your keratin. The other person might have had excessive callus build up and dead skin on the pads of their feet, therefor they support a more aggressive infection, or literally a culture. In your case, losing your hair is an obvious "skin symptom" and it's likely more severe on YOUR head in specific due to the unique nature of YOUR body.

There is no doubt in my mind from the research that I have done that this pathogen does not replicate or grow in the blood stream, it grows on the skin, it needs keratin to form its life-force. However if you are in an area with a high environmental level of spores, this could be a factor in constant blood contamination. I strongly believe that even after treating of all of my lesions, that I am still affected in a different -whole body- level by continual environmental contamination.

All of this is very well documented by Clifford Carnicom, often in people with no skin symptoms. Visit his page (do a query for his name) and you can see several blood samples from individuals who have no notable skin lesions, all of which have high levels of spores and highly damaged red blood cells.

In your case I want to really emphasize that since you lost so much hair, and even noted exactly when you felt the grime coat your skin on original infection, you very much have skin symptoms, your body just isn't ideal for the spores to take root and multiply elsewhere on the skin.

-Nick

Side not on Clifford Carnicom, this man is doing everything possible to document the effects and characteristics of the ACTUAL infective agent involved both from skin, saliva and blood samples. His information is the ONLY information on the internet that follows a legitimate scientifical process, without random non related images and assumptions. There is far too much false information on the internet that I believe was meant to confuse and further the "conspiracy theory" aspect of what is happening. Without having access to his research, I wouldn't have come to any of the conclusions that I have, and I'm sure that by this point I would be a physical and emotional mess, thus worthless to this cause.

He recently formed an organization, the Carnicom Institute, just to protect his research, in my opinion he has probably been told to drop this issue and this is his way of protecting the research with several people and a secure database.

[toni]

I know I didn't post this quote quite right, but it still works:

author=nickthebuilder1234 board=rash thread=12711 post=138134 time=1250191712]

I like the way your mind works Toni, it puts a smile on my face to see that people are stepping out of the box and realizing that we, too, have an inner scientist and. can solve problems when the medical community doesn't listen. Now back to your questions, very good questions...

Same here Nick! I read your posts this morn, and was tickled pink actually. I thought..okay we're on the same street, or running parallel with thoughts anyways ;D

Isothiocyanates appear that they would be very effective against most fungus (although they also are very pungent in odor) but there is one problem, being that one of thier main functions in stopping growth is to inhibit cytochrome P450 enzymes, therfor disrupting the growth of the protein (cytochrome P450) which are a major player in allmost all biological processes, including humans and fungus. Yes, (the enzyme disruption) right.

The problem here is that I was told personally in a response from Dr.Wymore, that azole type anti-fungal drugs had no effect on the condition, even in heavy doses. I agree, (imho) because I think I've tried them all...topically and internally. There is a drug that I'm wondering about, and I'll find it so if you'd be kind enough to check it out, it's lookin like a "possibility" is all. Slight, but possible ...maybe.


And azole antifungals mostly all work by inhibiting cytochrome P450. What this means is that the most notable effects of Isothiocyantes would also have no effect on the fungus.

I've got some literature on more of this, and I'll get it together later.

This leaves me with the same impressions as what I stated earlier, that this isn't 100% fungus in nature, possibly partly microsporidia DNA, and since microsporidia (commonly called the "higher fungus") don't function with the same proteins as common fungus, they aren't susceptible to the same methods of inhibition.

But, I'm not all that educated on Isothiocyanates, and they are known to have other modes of action against fungus. The one other problem with eating too much mustard as if to use it as an internal treatment, is that our own bodies contain cytochrome P450 in the mitochondria that supply cells energy, and if you were to consume too much of it in one dose, it could actually harm you. Not to mention it's going to give you a horrible case of indigestion. I'm thinking more like taking it like a medicine...every day "little by little"...consistency over time.

The situation with the blood isn't going to be an easy one to tackle due to the polymer like nature of Chitin, and I have a feeling that it's either going to be a novel random biological substance like these Isothiocyantes that we stumble on, before we have the ability to develop specific blood treatments. Chitinase intravenously would be perfect approach to blood treatment and safe (since it's already produced by our bodies), and if I had a doctor that had access to a pure medical form, I would be there in a second to have him give me a dose. But... Just about everything just said isn't possible. There aren't medical grade forms of Chitinase available commercially, and if there were, our doctors wouldn't have access to them.

As far as resistance to Trichderma's Chitinase, it's not likely possible. There are several forms of Chitinase that exist, and if the Barley works so effectively on this form of morgellons infection, then it's likely that it's the more common type of Chitinase coating, as the Barley would have only evolved to produce Chitinase that would inhibit existent biological threats (fungus/spores). I know what you mean.

I do have a theory that if a strong Trichoderma extract is made, far stronger than the ones that I have produced, that coating enough of the body would allow some of the enzyme to get close enough to or actually in the blood stream, and fight the Chitin on a intravenous level. This is however questionable since our squamos cells generally do a very good job shielding our internals from outside substances creeping in. But once again, if you were heavily infected with very raw and open patches, it's much more likely that the Chitinase would migrate through broken capillaries and into the blood stream.

In this case, I'm just (thinking about topically) for the lesions and the lesions with the "tunneling".

thanks again!

-Nick[/quote]

[Jill]

Aug 12, 2009 23:00:35 GMT -5 nickthebuilder1234 said:

As described above, Chitin is a biological polymer. Very similar to Cellulose, with the exception of the ends of the molecular chain. Chitin is very much involved in this condition, the pathogen we are talking about, is a fungus, possibly a hybrid that is closer to being a microsporidia.

I didn't know much about Chitin or Cellulose before taking up research into morgellons. The information about this pathogen or fungus being cellulose based is bogus. After coming down with the condition myself (not nearly as serious as most) and with no luck treating it with antibiotics/antifungals topical or internal. In fact, like reported, the antibiotics only seemed to damage my system in the long run and allowed the symptoms to increase heavily after or even during the dosages. And from my readings, I wasn't even going to attempt taking this to a dermatologist. I was 25 when this started and had NEVER had such a skin condition in my life, I am in great shape, and I refused to believe that this was normal for skin to become so irritated and inflamed.

I was positive that I traced my exposure to an outdoor area, and soon enough, I found several people including a good friends with the same lesions. That's when I started my research, and being an amateur mycologist seems to have been my lucky advantage.

I am very interested in others trying the method of treatment that I developed, even though we are likely continually exposed on a weekly basis, treating the skin is the first step toward killing the spore producing colonies and therefor stopping the spread of the pathogen in the blood to other areas. I'm NOT selling anything, I'm NOT a physician and what I'm about to tell you will only cost you a couple bucks for a large volume of topical treatment.

The key here is Chitinase. Chitinase is an enzyme used in many biological processes to cleave the glucose bonds of Chitin. It's produced by many fungus as a building block for biological growth, and it's produced by some grains, as a means of defense against spores and fungus. In my case, I extracted Chitinase from several sources, including a Trichoderma fungus and Barley. Obviously for the average person, growing and extracting a enzyme from a fungus is not going to be easy, but I had equally effective results from the Barley Chitinase, and it's much easier to make.

Here is what you need to do... Find a home beer brewing store, and go there is person. Ask them for the most stripped out and unprocessed Barley that they carry, MAKE SURE IT IS BARLEY and not WHEAT, wheat doesn't contain the necessary enzymes. In my case, I think the strain was GR 18 or something to that effect. Most strains should work, but Barley is known to vary in enzyme levels. What your looking for is the most unprocessed, lightest color, Barley grain. They should be able to direct you to something close to that if you give them that description. It can not be roasted or otherwise adulterated barley. You shouldn't need more than a lb to treat the whole body, this should cost around a dollar. If they ask you if you want it milled, you can have this done, but you should then use all the extract that I'm going to describe, as milled barley might lose it's enzyme potency once it's sat after being milled. There might also be benefits to soaking the grain in water for several hours NON MILLED prior to making this extract. I had such good results with the milled barley that I'm not sure how how much better the non milled version of this extract would be.

Directions: Take the milled barley and put it in a plastic bowl. You really only need a half lb to make plenty enough to treat your whole body. Add spring water or distilled water, just enough to wet the grain evenly, and so that they are all saturated and loosely moving around in the water. You can use tap water if you don't have the others, but it's likely that there is a spore count in the water too and it will diminish the life of the enzymes before you even start using them. Now, let the mixture sit for around 4 hours in a cool place, anything under 80 F is fine, you just don't want it basking and rotting in the sun or heat. Next, get a blender and blend the mixture until it's very milky and pulverized. If you don't have a blender, get a pestle or something similar like the end of a metal ice cream scoop and smash the already milled grain until you feel that you have smashed everything a few times over in the contents of the bowl. Now you need a strainer or a piece of screen. Run the mash through the strainer and collect the fluid that results. Shake the mixture up and stir very well before straining so that the milky fluid works well through the screen. Now press the barley through the screen to really juice it. You should put the remaining barley in a piece of cheesecloth or a clean sock with a larger stitch like cheesecloth. Ok, now you have the enzyme/barley mixture finished. If you wanted to try the whole grain approach, soak it just like the milled barley, and you must use a blender with the method, otherwise following the same directions for the milled barley.

To treat yourself you will need to take off any clothing around the area you are treating, or possible just strip totally naked to avoid making a mess of your clothes. Put the solution in a cereal bowl or shallow bowl, put a plastic spoon in it and stir it every time before dipping your fingers in the bowl just enough to get a decent amount of the liquid on the underside of your fingers. It should be slightly pasty, if not, you might want to make it with less water than you used. Paste it over your lesions lightly so that you provide an even coat without pressing it all away from your skin. Let it sit on the area, and re-coat the area as soon as it feel like its starting to dry, which should take several min.

Now, don't be alarmed when you see the area flare up like a horrible allergic reaction, that's the Chitinase cleaving the fungus's chitin in your skin, and you will likely see the same broken vessels that we so commonly see after initial infection, only there will be many many more, and it's likely to sting and prick very notably especially more so if your more heavily infected. Let the remaining chalky residue sit for about an hour, and then go rinse it off or take a shower, or if you want, just leave it there the rest of the day until you do shower, it won't hurt you because it's just barley. You can save any leftover extract in the fridge but it won't keep for much more than a day or two and I would recommend using it fresh for best results.

One more thing I would like to mention is that I have talked to several of the prominent figured involved with the media's version of what is going on, several of whom are listed on morgellons organizations sites as professional references with credentials such as Dr. or Microbiologists, several of them whom have also been on Fox news. I won't mention names but I do want to say that most of these people are either puppets or they are scared, and they aren't looking for a cure, they are avoiding it. I spent months asking them for their opinion on the issue and it got mo nowhere. One of them in particular even took to personal attacks on myself for simply asking him for images of his SEM (scanning electron microscope) studies. I will tell you, with all confidence, that even those images are all fakes and have nothing to do with the said pathogen. If anything, they took the few crazy people who did scratch themselves bloody and used them to discredit those who have a legitimate fungal infection. All of his images, some of which are listed on a very well known morgellons organizations site, are very real SEM images, but once again, having nothing to do with the said pathogen.

I also might warn you that in my opinion these organizations are a fake front, possibly nothing more than a means to collect statistical data on infected individuals, crude as it is, whomever is running these sites has no intent to do anything more than make you think that they care, when they are really just wasting your time. The only person with valid research at this point, as far as I'm concerned is a man by the name of Clifford Carnicom. Read his studies and you will see the real pathogen at hand. I believe that he may have also been persuaded to stop talking about this issue, as he recently formed an organization to protect the individuals involved and the studies so far compiled.

I am very interested in hearing the results from others, this is one of the only forums that I have posted too. Spread this information, educate yourself, eventually the true information about this pathogen will be too widespread to ignore. I have ideas about which strain of fungus this is but it's likely so unknown that it's barely documented and surely has not been imaged under a microscope and published by anyone but Mr.Carnicom. At this point, the strain doesn't matter, the specifics don't matter, only the cure, only the composition (chitin), like I said microscopy imaging is already documented, naming the strain is nothing but a novelty.

Sorry if I misspelled of omitted a word here and there, it took me long enough to write this and I don't have time or care for perfection in writing, I'm just trying to get a message across. Once again, I have NO MORE SYMPTOMS, my lesions are 100% gone and scars are fading.

Nick,

I see you think the world of Cliff Carnicom- I think his research is accurate as well.

There is a bit more to the picture than your fungus issue, I'm afraid.

Take a look here:

tinyurl.com/n2byvv

Take a look at the T parva-

Cliff Carnicom features Robert Smith's work on his link:

www.carnicominstitute.org/carnhome.htm

[nickthebuilder1234]

That's some interesting and very extensive research but a couple factors make me skeptical that the fibers actually looked at in this specific case were anything but human hair.

"SEM analysis demonstrated that the fiber appeared to be a normal hair follicle with scales (Figure 2A) and a typical root terminus (Figure 2B)"

In that statement, he bluntly says that it does appear to be human hair, lacking the outer protein coat, which is Keratin based. This makes perfect sense since the fungus involved would not only eat human skin, but also human hair as it grows, from the outside in.

Human hair is anywhere up to 95% keratin based, making it almost as easily cultured as human skin, with the exception of lacking a direct source of urea and other moisture necessary for fungal growth.
www.keratin.com/aa/aa012.shtml#01

Furthermore, even the cultures done by Carnicom don't resemble human hair. In his "growth captured" study, he actually films the growth of the involved mycelium like fibers., which are not in any way human hair.

I do agree that other pathogens are involved but in my opinion it has more to do with the weakness and susceptibility of a damaged immune system, and the presence of an abundance of a protein form (Chitin) that is alien to the human body.

Look at Carnicoms recent dental cultures.
www.carnicom.com/culture4.htm

The images show a green colored patch consuming the otherwise white culture, from the inside out. I believe this to be a Trichderma or other balancing fungus that is growing on an older, more fragile morgellons dental sample.

So I do agree that the research by Robert Smith is very in depth, but I don't believe it to show anything more than a partially cultured human hair.

-Nick

[Jill]

One of Cliff's pictures/images look just like chaetomium- which I have I'd as well. Don't have time to read over that link- will read it over in depth later. Cliff does great work.

As to Robert Smith's research- one component that he id'd- T Parva- and if you read the above link as relates to the same you will see that matches up with the
condition that we are dealing with- systemically- down to the callus-like lumps that many have and have great difficulty removing. It is due to the 'tissue cement' that the tick applies to the host- more on that later....

Not just splitting hairs......

I do agree that there is a fungal component to this condition, just not that it is the cause.

Jill

[nickthebuilder1234]

I'm not convinced and here is why. First off, to get it out of the way, you made mention of Chaetomium, which we are going to have to take off the table because it's around 5-6 microns in size. Much much larger than the blood radicals that Carnicom has so well documented in his blood sample morphology. Also, even if it was Chaetomium, that specific fungal infection causes far more severe symptoms such as as abdominal swelling that is bacterial in nature and usually leads to sepsis which is not the case with morgellons, since, if anything it gets past our immune system totally undetected.

Second, the Theileria Parva is a protozoan, not fungal in nature. The first symptoms that people showed in this condition were skin symptoms. I have to continually point that out because without those symptoms, the whole morgellons movement would cease to be at the state that it currently is.

Most people also have the same exact scenario of environmental contact, such as myself, while cleaning up leaves in the yard. A protozoan could not and will not survive outside a host for long. Furthermore I have to go back to my exchange with Dr.Wymore, about azole type medication not working at all in treatment. I personally was on heavy doses of Metronidazole myself after regular antibiotics didn't work. I also was convinced at a time that there was a protozoan agent involved in this condition. Metronidazole is the most commonly used anti protozoan drug, and it only made my condition flare up far worse in the end.

And again I have to point back to Mr.Carnicom's work... None of his images of the said blood pathogens are nearly the size of a protozoan, so obviously we couldn't even try to compare them to a protozoan. From his collection of microscopy images, he clearly makes a judgement that this involved "spore like" structures are .5 - .7 microns in size. This puts them at a bacterial or spore size, possibly microsporidia, but not protozoan. At that level of magnification, you would be able to see all sorts of organelle detail of an observed protozoan.

www.carnicom.com/morgobs6.htm

I feel it is crucially important to focus on the original and subsequent blood pathogens on that .5 - .7 micron range, and sub micron fiber networks that Mr.Carnicom has described, neither of which are even close to comparable to the size of protozoan, or human hair. His research is the most extensive around, and it shows nowhere, anything larger than these sub-micron filaments and spore like structures. There is a lot of misinformation out there, and plenty of images of objects that have nothing to do with the condition. The focus MUST be on the blood, it's the only rational approach, and Mr.Carnicom is right on that path considering that he is a very rationally minded man.

-Nick