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Post by toni on Sept 19, 2009 9:33:27 GMT -5
Hi Cyn,
That clear fiber, was on the slide. The gnat is just sitting by it.
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Post by Sidney on Sept 19, 2009 10:13:06 GMT -5
Cyn asked: "If I wanted to SIDNEY, could I culture my sputum in a baggy or do I need to add gelatin and sugar?"
In all honesty and I am so sorry, I have absolutely no idea. I've never tried to culture anything.
Cyn, Google Sputum Culture and see if you can find any clues. It's also possible Kammy or someone else here will be able to help.
I keep thinking about how the fibers are growing out of insects and then I remember GoDog's little Frog and how fiber covered it was.
Toni-Sue, you sent that Frog to Dr. Wymore. Did you ever hear from him?
If not, maybe you could write and ask him to return the frog to you and you could send it to a Mycology Lab. There must surely be an explanation for the presence of multi-colored fibers.
I recently read that Mycologists estimate less than ten percent of fungus species have been identified. (Worldwide!)
Think about how the amphibian population, Chytridiomycosis, has worldwide distribution just as our disease we call Morgellons has worldwide distribution or so it appears from the many websites supporting this fact.
Another thought and something we could try at home. If you find a dead insect, I suppose it doesn't matter what species, place it in some sort of airtight container. Perhaps a bottle with a screw on lid would work. Forget about it for a while then check to see if anything grows on the body.
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Post by toni on Sept 19, 2009 11:58:19 GMT -5
Sid,
That's right (Godog's) frog was wrapped so tightly in multicolored fibers it was scary to look at.
I'd written Dr. Wymore and asked "what happened to the frog and if he can't look at if he'd send it back to me, so that I can send it on elsewhere for someone to examine, but I've not yet heard a word.
I will write again, and I hope he'll reply sometime, because it's been quite a long time now.
The other specimen I'd sent him (the forked tailed looking thing) about 2-3 years ago, he only wrote me back saying "It had cells"....but nothing more about that either.
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Post by kammy on Sept 19, 2009 12:29:57 GMT -5
I know it Toni, it's like the two 'mad scientists' finally found their twin? I don't know about the eggs being in sugar water?... I was thinking that if we could make home-made Petri Dishes somehow by making a clear gelatin/sugar base to hold the fungus (or whatever appears ), so that when we look, we're fairly safe from what's growing, it sticks to the base? And, then on the other hand, I don't think a mild sugar water is going to kill them!, they're industrial strength eggs, anyway... Sidney, do you have a microscope? I know that if you put these eggs or larvae, inside of plastic baggies and then put them inside of something - like a box, the box becomes the greenhouse... and then place the box in a warm place, this is how you speed up the process to see what's going on. These 'things' are designed to preform with a rise in temperature and with the addition of moisture. So, theoretically, you should be able to culture something with the addition of water alone? Seal the baggie and then put it in a box someplace warm. They say to put your Petri Dishes on top of your refrigerator in a box, that the refrigerator emits heat on the top, or some place up high because heat rises... or maybe a window sill that gets a lot of sun. That might be an interesting experiment for someone to try, to try and culture your sputum (if you believe that it might contain organisms) in a sealed baggie with the addition of a little bit of filtered or bottled water? I have photographed straight through the plastic, and DON'T OPEN the baggie once you've started your experiment!! If you don't have a scope Sidney, and you see something growing, maybe you could mail the baggie to somebody and let them look? (I'll look at it for you, if noone else will.)
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Post by Sidney on Sept 19, 2009 12:31:55 GMT -5
WRite to him again and ask him once more to send the frog back to you.
About the CELLS found in the forked tail devil you sent, well, if it had cells it had life.
ANSWERS REQUIRED. I know he's short of help, but this could be so very important in each instance.
Thanks!
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Post by silverangel on Sept 19, 2009 13:15:19 GMT -5
hi u guys, i just had to respond here on this gnat thread.....the gnats here are driving me absolutely crazy! they are swarming everywhere outside, and they CHASE me!!! they go after my face mostly, eyes (i've had them crawl on the inside of my glasses, they try to get in my eyes), nose, ears, they land on my head, on me. nobody else around me seems to be bothered by them, other than swatting them away. if there is one in a room, it seeks me out and tries to land on me or get in (assorted) orifices. i had one at work the other night that hovered directly in front of my nose, and as i wove from side to side, walked from one side to the other, it hovered perfectly in front of my nose. another night i was working here at home in my office....and as i sat here, every gnat in the house found its way to the office! i was about in tears, they would not leave me alone! 2 summers ago i found a lot of dead ones around, "cocooned" in the white furry fungus-y stuff. it looked like the white stuff "sprouted" from them and wrapped them up in it....it reminded me of godog's frog. (God rest her soul) don't see many dead ones around tho, which i thought was strange, cause their life cycle isn't that long, and there's so many live ones around. i think i am emitting something, a scent, a pheromone, something (a fungus? FUNGUS GNATS!), that is attracting them. i really don't think they are "coming from me, but FOR me". jmho. please see my new thread coming, i'm going to call it "another fish story" about one more of the many bizarre happenings in silverangel's world this summer. this might be unrelated to gnats, or maybe not, but they have been spraying here for gypsy moths, using something called BTK. here's the bt issue again. i also found this website about btk: www.nosprayzone.org/pesticides/btk.htmlthey also spray a bt concoction along the sides of all these country roads around here, for weed control....i used to walk around here for miles! not to mention all the crap they spray on crops, i am surrounded by big ag for as far as the eye can see....i was once caught in the overspray of anhydrous ammonia....oh but i digress! not for the gnat thread, haha!! thanks for reading! attacked, lost, brain fogged and depressed, silverangel
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Post by kammy on Sept 19, 2009 14:56:02 GMT -5
Hi Silverangel !! I'm being sought out and attacked by the gnats, too! I have an outer ear lesion area and they're going for it, like they know their relatives are in there and are coming by to pay a visit? lol I have two constant gnats! I kill those two and two more appear...?? I just went out in the rain to the store and an adult gnat was in my auto... I try to get in the front door and they're trying to come in with me...? I have a brand new lesion on my thigh, just above my knee, a with one of those rubbery cores - I think a gnat must have landed there and caused this to happen because I haven't had a lesion in many months, the only thing that's changed is adults in my environment recently. So, if adults are in our environment, we need to take extra care to bathe often, make sure our trash is emptied with regularity, no water in dishes in the sink, no ongoing water dishes for our pets... something to kill them put in our drains, keep our laundry clean, sanitizing our surfaces, not leaving food out,... I'm thinking that if a gnat touches our skin anywhere to wash it immediately... and with the eyes or nose to use some saline solution right away. What else might be helpful?
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Post by jeany on Sept 19, 2009 15:11:35 GMT -5
IMO the fungus gnats are attracted because of the pheromones used in the bio-insecticides...baculovirus...fungus gnats... www.nysaes.cornell.edu/ent/bcconf/talks/georgis.html Present and Future Prospects of Biological InsecticidesThe most common one refers mainly to the fungi, baculoviruses, nematodes, protozoa and Bts as biological insecticides. However, in my presentation, I will define bioinsecticides as follows: naturally occurring organisms (such as fungi, baculoviruses) their byproducts (such as chemicals derived from Actinomyces and Streptomyces ) products derived from insects (such as pheromones); and products derived from plants (such as azadirachtin or neem). The progress in mass production through fermentation (nematodes, Bt), in vivo (baculoviruses), extraction and purification (azadirachtin) and synthesis routes (pheromones) were instrumental in marketing these products.To develop any pheromone, the tiny quantity released by an insect must first be captured. Only then can powerful analytical techniques be used to identify the chemical. The pheromone from every insect is different, and some are mixtures of complex molecules. Most of the pheromones are unsaturated long straight-chain acetates, alcohols, aldehydes or epoxides. Chemists then find ways of making the pheromone in a laboratory. Often this involves years of study and the use of many chemicals like building blocks which have to be assembled in one very precise way. Even when the pheromone can be made in the laboratory, it must be formulated in a way that gives maximum effect over the desired release period. Various hand placement and sprayable devices are used as pheromone controlled release systems. Azadirachtin One noteworthy compound found in neem is azadirachtin. Composed only of carbon, hydrogen and oxygen, azadirachtin works as a broad spectrum insect growth regulator by disrupting molting during an insect's larval, or juvenile, stage. By altering insect metamorphosis, azadirachtin prevents larvae from developing into adults and producing a subsequent generation of insect pests. Jeany
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Post by kammy on Sept 19, 2009 15:17:42 GMT -5
Where the Fibers in Our Environment Are Coming From Yes, we're probably emitting some of them if we have a good-sized, active lesion. But, here's what I noticed today... I had this one gnat after me this morning where my laptop is, I had a bottle of "All Purpose Cleaner with Bleach" next to me to defend myself with. I'm IM'ing and it has a white background... all of a sudden the gnat attacks me, I spray and kill it. Well, almost immediately, there's another smaller gnat to take its place... I've been spraying around me non-stop for days now... my computer screen and keyboard are very clean. After flailing around, I look up and there's this Morg fiber on my laptop screen, I can easily see it with the white background, it wasn't there at the beginning of the IM, it's 1 1/2 inch long, very fine, not thick - and very obvious, it appeared after the gnat appeared. It's pretty with hot pink on one end and blue/pink to make a purple on the other.... I've never had Morg fibers on my screen in the past... We've seen how these larvae are defecating the filaments and capsids at the same time? And, I've shown how the adults are carrying the capsids around with them, dispersing them while they're flying. I haven't caught them in action, but here's my latest conclusion based on what I'm seeing - the adults are defecating the filaments also. That it stands to reason that if we're seeing the capsids on the adults when you kill them, that the process is the same - the filaments and capsids are created together in the defecating process. In other words, if you have adults in your house, they are defecating Morg fibers along with the capsids in your environment! And, if these fibers weren't on my computer screen, in my face, I would never see them. What do we know about how the fibers can affect us? Not much. Jeany suggested that I culture what is now two fibers on my laptop screen... that if they culture - this might show another way that these gnats could be harmful? We KNOW that the capsids take water/moisture to activate them. I'm speculating - that if the capsids land on our skin - that it takes a combination of moisture (which our skin has) along with pressure of some kind to embed the capsid in the skin and start growth. That since they are round spheres, in most cases, they should roll off the skin, and clothing is protective. So, even if our house carpets/rugs contain capsids, they will not 'hatch' without the addition of moisture, that vacuuming alone or along or with baking soda, salt, carpet powders, DE... etc., should render them harmless. I'm wondering about deep shampooing our carpets and leaving them wet, if this is a good idea, until we know more? We also don't know for sure that if a capsid is ingested that this might cause harm, supposedly, these bv capsids are not supposed to affect humans?
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Post by toni on Sept 19, 2009 15:19:26 GMT -5
Sid, I sure will write again.
Kammy, I'm sorry, I must have read your post wrong about the sugar. I thought that would help them (the pods/eggs) whatever they are grow better for some reason.
I appreciated all you said in your post about "how to do them, and I do have a dish thingie that came with the scope that fits under the scope between the scope table and the viewing".
I will do that.
And gosh, I think I take enough showers a day for 20 people hhahahah ( I do too). I use to take approx 12 a day- I was in the shower almost every 30 min. For real. I couldn't stand myself (just the thoughts of something in my skin WAS making me obsessive compulsive and feeling like I couldn't get clean, so I spent so much time in there till the hot water ran out every time.
Now it's only about 5 a day. I think (Avon's skin so Soft) probably works for gnats too. I know in my hiking/backpacking days, we always used Avon's Skin So Soft to keep away the mosquitos and all kinds of critters, and it worked better than any repellent out there.
We'd go on 10 day at a time backpack trips hiking to the highest elevations of the Sierra Mt range in CA and there were (no showers) so you can imagine...we were "rotten" to the core. hahahha
And the reason I say that is because we were like major attractants to everything ( but, the Skin So Soft oil) replelled every insect out there in the wilderness.
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Post by toni on Sept 19, 2009 15:20:44 GMT -5
Jeany OMG, you just made me remember something.
Be back ( you'll love this)!
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Post by jeany on Sept 19, 2009 15:22:19 GMT -5
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Post by toni on Sept 19, 2009 15:24:55 GMT -5
And Kammy,
You just brought up something I don't think has been mentioned before. (maybe it has) but I don't remember right off.
I've had many many fibers that are also "two toned colors" also.
One end of them is blue, and the other a hot pink just as you mentioned. Maybe the blue is more like a neon blue...and I've thought how interesting those are too.
UGH.
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Post by toni on Sept 19, 2009 15:37:11 GMT -5
Okay...here it is, not that this is anything, but it MIGHT be too! Several months ago I was reading about "how they're tweaking insects to ATTRACT" other insects so that "when both insects mated"....they'd have babies but those babies then would be sterile. It also causes a disruption in their "ability to find each other".
Makes me wonder if that's why they're after us...our pheremones are chemically "tweaked"! And our "odor of any kind of pheremones" is becoming attractive to them because of these chems used that IS a pheremone disruptor.That was a way to really slow down their population. More info on that is on the internet, and I've tried looking for it, as I know I've got it, but I don't know what I filed it under.
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Post by toni on Sept 19, 2009 15:40:59 GMT -5
Now...here's something I've not dug into, and maybe this needs dug into. Check this out!
This is about Gossyplur!!!!Gossyplure has been widely used in commercial treatments to suppress the pink boll-worm, Pectinophora gossypiella (Saunders). Studies have shown that permethrin, added to the sticker used to adhere fibers containing gossyplure (NoMate Attract 'n Kill) to the foliage, increased the effectiveness of the treatment. www.ingentaconnect.com/content/esa/jee/1983/00000076/00000006/art00052?crawler=trueMany questions come to mind, because I might be jumpin the gun here, but "what color are these fibers" See what I mean? They're MADE to attract insects, then kill them. Could they be "our fibers" ?
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Post by jeany on Sept 19, 2009 15:41:03 GMT -5
Natural Insect Repellents www.naturodoc.com/library/lifestyle/bug_repellent.htmStings: The Finer PointsAlthough bees, wasps, hornets, and yellow jackets generally won't go out of their way to attack, they can be extremely aggressive if you disturb their nests or bother them while they're feeding. They're attracted by perfumes and scented bodycare products, as well as by sweet foods such as ice cream, fruit juices, and watermelon. Bright-colored clothing can also make you a target. If you do get stung, the following tips can help minimize the problems: Bumblebees, wasps, yellow jackets, and hornets can attack repeatedly, so if you get stung, get out of the area immediately. If you're stung by a yellow jacket, avoid swatting at it. Crushing the venom sac releases a chemical that incites its nest-mates to attack. Honeybees can sting only once, but the stinger and venom sac they leave in your skin pump venom for two to three minutes. Remove them immediately, being careful not to squeeze the venom sac. The safest way to do this is to scrape them out with a credit card or the dull edge of a knife. If the stinger remains behind after you've scraped away the venom sac, remove it gently with tweezers. Making Your Own Natural Insect Repellent Herbalist Debra Nuzzi-St. Claire suggests combining the following essential oils to make a natural insect repellent: 1/2 ounce citronella oil 1/4 ounce lavender oil 1/8 ounce pennyroyal oil 1/8 ounce tea tree oil 1/8 ounce jojoba oil Do not use this blend undiluted on your skin. Follow these instructions for diluting: To make an insect repellent oil that can be used on your body, add 16 ounces of jojoba or almond oil to the base oil mixture and blend thoroughly. For an insect repellent spray, add 16 ounces of vodka to the base oil mixture, pour into a spray bottle, and shake before using. Tea Tree is a great insect repellent... www.associatedcontent.com/article/1528475/how_to_use_tea_tree_oil_as_insect_repellent.htmlwww.gardenmandy.com/tea-tree-oil-for-bug-repellent-and-almost-everything-else/When I go out I rub tea tree oil on my skin..keeps the bugs away. To keep them away from hair and body use lotion with tea tree oil and/or shampoo with tea tree oil in it! alternative: add a few drops of tea tree oil to regular body lotion and shampoo. Jeany
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Post by toni on Sept 19, 2009 15:44:21 GMT -5
How interesting. I just googled: Gossyplure fibers photos And these come in flakes and fibers! Hollow fibers. www.freepatentsonline.com/4929441.htmlThey're used to attract and kill insects. Hummmmmmm
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Post by toni on Sept 19, 2009 15:51:11 GMT -5
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Post by toni on Sept 19, 2009 16:01:01 GMT -5
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Post by jeany on Sept 19, 2009 16:04:46 GMT -5
Now...here's something I've not dug into, and maybe this needs dug into. Check this out!
This is about Gossyplur!!!!Gossyplure has been widely used in commercial treatments to suppress the pink boll-worm, Pectinophora gossypiella (Saunders). Studies have shown that permethrin, added to the sticker used to adhere fibers containing gossyplure (NoMate Attract 'n Kill) to the foliage, increased the effectiveness of the treatment. www.ingentaconnect.com/content/esa/jee/1983/00000076/00000006/art00052?crawler=trueMany questions come to mind, because I might be jumpin the gun here, but "what color are these fibers" See what I mean? They're MADE to attract insects, then kill them. Could they be "our fibers" ? Hi Toni, look at this! Measurement of release rates of gossyplure from controlled release formulations by mini-airflow method Abstract The use of the mini-airflow apparatus for the measurement of gossyplure release rates is described. The method involves the passage of air over controlled-release dispensers containing radiolabeled pheromone, through a coarse frit, and entrapment of the gossyplure on glass beads. Desorption of the beads with solvent is followed by quantification by liquid scintillation counting. The results of release rate measurements from hollow fibers, red rubber septa, and red rubber wicks are discussed. www.springerlink.com/content/h4r84172g273h4x2/Now..what's that again? Jeany
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