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Post by toni on Sept 2, 2009 17:37:46 GMT -5
OMG JO!!! You should be a surgeon! ;D I am blown away by how you have found the fibers in that gnats guts! VERY VERY GOOD!!!! THAT IS AMAZING! I wish I could do that part (take a peekie inside) but I can't. I almost went into spaz attacks (gagging) just lifting my gnat onto my slide from the bath area. I know that sounds silly, (since I pick stuff out of my lesion tunnel all day) every day practically...but (I can do that) because "I don't know what it is". I'm that way with food too. (( I can't eat anything that would resemble the food it is)). Like fish. If it's not all cut up in fillets, for a million bucks I couldn't eat it. I can't even imagine looking at a fish face, well...I'd never be able to eat fish again. I found a plastic "chicken feather holder thingie" I call them (in a package of chicken one time - still sticking alittle bit out of the chicken...like the butcher didn't pluck it good enough, and it took me forever (years) before I could eat chicken again. (you know that part the feather sprouts out of) ugh...I call those things (the plastic feather holders). Cause it's what it reminded me of. ALL of my life, people have said...(where do you think meat comes from ) whether it's beef, chicken, fish or pork. I tell them in reply (the meat comes from the PACKAGES from the grocery store) hahahhaha ;D I use to say that as a kid too. My quirk spot - another one of them. ;D So if you know what I mean (for me) to even think about tearing up this gnat...oh, for 2 mil I couldn't do it. I've got 100's right now. If ANYONE with a scope would like them, I'll mail them to you in rubbing alcohol - because what you've shown Jo is very important that even the gnats have the fibers inside. Oh...I wish I could see. OH...I know, they WILL disintegrate soon. I'll put them into a glass vial, then with some strong whiskey or something? And then we'll see if fibers come out, or when their bodies deteriorate, if fibers are left? What do you think? And "I'm happy to mail some to someone too". Any "surgeons here"? It's just something "I can't do"...I'd never make surgeon. hahhaa
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Post by kammy on Sept 2, 2009 21:24:38 GMT -5
Toni and all...
Over on the MDR site, Jeany and I have basically proven that Morgellons is caused by a small fly infestation, and with Jo's help in identifying the particular fly... which she states is a fungus gnat. I'll let Jo speak for herself but, I believe we agree that it doesn't have to be a fungus gnat, in particular, and we probably have our own separate theories on it. Jo is the MDR 'fly expert' and I'm sure she will be involved to help folks in any way.
Not to take away from your thread, Toni, but I'll be going into this more in detail shortly over on the "Baculovirus" thread, where I have conducted many experiments on this subject and will be revealing these experiments and how we came to this conclusion.
I believe that this topic is very important for people to be aware of, that's why I'm here to help raise awareness of what I believe is happening around us. I believe that we need awareness in order to find wellness, that if we have fungus gnats or any kind of small flying insect in our environments - we are very likely to become re-infected, over and over, from what I have observed. This is a serious issue especially for someone with Morgellons.
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Post by kammy on Sept 2, 2009 21:38:19 GMT -5
Kammy, But...when piles of dead gnats end up (as they did yesterday on the bathtub side) just "there"...is what's really weird to me, cause they didn't freeze ontop the tiles of the bathtub. Not that I'm being silly...( I need help ) with trying to figure this out. How could they do this? Just "end up" in piles of them all in one place (just laying there dead) do you think? Thank you, need the feedback. Cause there was nothing that would have killed them being where they are. This visual helped me a lot to understand what you were saying. IMO - We're dealing with an insect that is not necessarily predictable as to what is written in books about how a fungus gnat preforms in nature because it has been modified. So, we'll probably have to re-learn the characteristics of probably most all insects around us. (Jo, what's your opinion on this statement?) Anyway, back to your shower/tub... let's ask you if when you get into the shower, you slide this door shut and then you're standing a distance away from where the gnats are showing up? That this area is not receiving the running water from the shower head to rinse the door after you enter, or is it?
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Post by kammy on Sept 2, 2009 21:57:52 GMT -5
Toni's gnat in Las Vegas:60X mag - using underneath lighting for best wing picture. Kammy's gnat in Atlanta, Ga, @100x 7/23/09:my-stuff-dot-com.com/My Stuff/Personal1/Morgellons313/My Photos 212/Other/Fly File/Fly 7 23 09/07_23_101.jpg[/img] I call it the "dog head/goat horn" gnat... ;D doesn't that look like a dog's head to you?... I think ours are a match, Toni! Jo, do you have a side view shot of your gnat's head?
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Post by kammy on Sept 2, 2009 22:31:35 GMT -5
Toni - be very careful handling those gnats!! If you happen to kill any with your bare hands, be sure to wash thoroughly with soap and antiseptic! These are industrial strength gnats and larvae.
If one gets on your food, don't eat it. Keep your food covered at all times in your kitchen. And, keep an eye on your food, they are quick, they will dart onto your food in an instant and you won't notice unless you're paying attention.
They are covered in the white, fuzzy, Pythium-like fungus and so are their eggs! And, this fungus creates hundreds of more baculovirus capsids with moisture added.
If they are flying around inside your house - they will get into your open drinks and lay eggs... keep a piece of aluminum foil on the top of your soft drink cans, coffee cups... put some kind of gnat killer down your drains such as "Lord of the Flies", someone told me Fleishman's Yeast down the drain helped... I don't know?... just a suggestion. With most drain disinfectants, it's a 7 day process.
You can easily see if they are in your tap water. Just put some tap water on a slide with a cover and you will either see 'debris' or the fibers up in the right or left hand corners with any kid's microscope. The light in the center blocks out these objects, you have to look up in the corners, (with my microscope, I do.) I have gnat baculovirus, debris and frass/fibers in my tap water.
What else, Jo?...
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Post by Acacian Immolation on Sept 3, 2009 3:19:52 GMT -5
They are covered in the white, fuzzy, Pythium-like fungus and so are their eggs! And, this fungus creates hundreds of more baculovirus capsids with moisture added. wait so if the fungus gnat has fungus growing on their backs then they should be cannibalizing each other or licking their own backs right? is a baculavirus what you get when the guy from the show Quantum Leap gets the flu? -
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Post by toni on Sept 3, 2009 7:13:38 GMT -5
Kammy, But...when piles of dead gnats end up (as they did yesterday on the bathtub side) just "there"...is what's really weird to me, cause they didn't freeze ontop the tiles of the bathtub. Not that I'm being silly...( I need help ) with trying to figure this out. How could they do this? Just "end up" in piles of them all in one place (just laying there dead) do you think? Thank you, need the feedback. Cause there was nothing that would have killed them being where they are. This visual helped me a lot to understand what you were saying. IMO - We're dealing with an insect that is not necessarily predictable as to what is written in books about how a fungus gnat preforms in nature because it has been modified. So, we'll probably have to re-learn the characteristics of probably most all insects around us. (Jo, what's your opinion on this statement?) Anyway, back to your shower/tub... let's ask you if when you get into the shower, you slide this door shut and then you're standing a distance away from where the gnats are showing up? That this area is not receiving the running water from the shower head to rinse the door after you enter, or is it? Kammy yes, that's why I wanted a visual because in this case it was necessary to explain it (where the dead gnats are). But the glass doesn't "slide". See the handle in front there (that's below that brass bar)? That bar that goes across is where a towel would hang. The handle right in front there is where you'd stand to pull open the glass door to get in. I know, see the word gnats? If you were standing right there, you'd grab the handle to pull the glass door "outwards, then step in. While standing in the shower, you can see through the glass into the bathtub. But if you wanted to get into the tub, you have go out again of the door, then step into the tub. If you're standing right in front there, you'd grab that handle and the glass door pulls outwards, so you can walk into it. It's probably hard to tell since the pic is cut up.
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Post by toni on Sept 3, 2009 7:39:35 GMT -5
I know this seems like it's gettin silly...but it's important because (of where the gnats are). See how the shower is right next to the bath, this one is very much "like" ours. It's a pic I found because it's very similar. That glass that sees through to the bath doesn't open, only the shower door opens. That's why (it seems that the gnats) are in the water -they're "eggs" are in the water. Because sometimes the water "leaks though the glass where the rubber is around the brass to hold the glass on the bottom corner where the gnats are dead on the other side of the shower. The dead gnats are on the bathtub tile shelf - but not inside the shower area. And my sister too has them being FROZEN in her ice, from her ice maker! How horrid is that. There'd be no other way the gnats could be being frozen (well...not whole gnats) she said it's little black specks in her ice cubes - which now we're thinking those specks must be gnat (somethings)...eggs? Forming of them till they freeze? So the "water" must have gnat eggs. It seems.
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Post by kammy on Sept 3, 2009 9:28:05 GMT -5
Tell your sister to be real careful! Those little black specks are the GM fungus gnat baculovirus capsids or eggs that will hatch into adults, eventually. And, if she ingests them, she will probably get Morgellons. To clean her freezer real good.
It sounds like you have the same problem with your tap water that I do... an infestation.
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Post by toni on Sept 3, 2009 13:19:39 GMT -5
Thanks Kammy for your thoughts. See, something else, all over the internet are people talking about gnats just lying dead somewhere in their home. That's the other bizarre part. It's not like we sprayed them dead, they're just in "batches/piles" here or there...all dead. Something has got to be causing this to happen?? And my poor sis, she is infected already with Morgs too. This is just someone else complaining about the gnats too! transitionpete.org/?p=2981But what puzzles me the most is, why are they in piles dead without having to kill them. (can I have your thoughts)? Thanks.
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Post by toni on Sept 3, 2009 13:26:49 GMT -5
This is someone else on the internet: HELP I have gnats in my kitchen, in the refrigerator, and in the litter boxes! I have fly paper up everywhere (they are like a cemetary) but don't know how to get rid of them. They are producing like rabbits and I am finding them dead in my fridge which is so gross. Any suggestions? mommysavers.com/boards/your-creative-side/74978-gnats-everywhere.htmlAnd these people who wrote this post, even have gnats in their litter box.
Something's really strange that everyone's having these problems.
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Post by violet on Sept 3, 2009 15:01:19 GMT -5
They are covered in the white, fuzzy, Pythium-like fungus and so are their eggs! And, this fungus creates hundreds of more baculovirus capsids with moisture added. wait so if the fungus gnat has fungus growing on their backs then they should be cannibalizing each other or licking their own backs right? is a baculavirus what you get when the guy from the show Quantum Leap gets the flu? - LOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!! ;D
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Post by kammy on Sept 3, 2009 15:24:13 GMT -5
I'm still looking at your shower, Toni, is that a gap of about 6 inches in-between the two doors when it stays open like that? It's hard to tell... is that a place where a small amount of condensation happens?
I think I'm starting to figure it out... will you run down a list of the places they're showing up dead in large numbers?... let's see... your shower, your mother's freezer, was there one more?
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Post by jo on Sept 3, 2009 16:38:59 GMT -5
Yo! Toni I understand about not being able to look inside the gnats. Dr Bransfield found my dissect snaps very interesting too. You mentioned dissolving one - worth ago. So you'll need something to interfere chemically with its chitinous shell. Maybe an alkali followed by acid in turn. Even chitinase from barley maybe?! Is that a pot plant on your sink area? Fungus gnat larvae love the damp or standing water..damp soil even more - snackin on fungal spores. It could explain ice maker etc. Where you found these critters could be a corner most likely to have condensation, but be close to natural light, which they are drawn to. These black adult gnats are males and they dont live very long - they dont feed. The larvae will breed in drains and taps. The best thing to use down drains is washing soda. Also - they do not tolerate oxygen. Kam - you mentioned that your larvae reproduced before going through a fly's nornal life cycle - Great!! did you capture this on film? Gall midge and fungus gnats are able to carry out the rare reproductive state of paedogenesis. This is where the larvae, not adults, produce live young, but in doing so the reproducing larva is killed in the process. This is what you observed Kam! refs in my report: www.morgellonsuk.org.uk/micromyiasis.htmThis is the reason that if folks had such flies causing myiasis (infestation of fly larvae) it would be hard to shake. They reproduce quick, quick, quick. Its possible that the frog died from eating these fungus gnats. There are 12 species that auto fluoresce and some have turned to a carnivorous diet (hence why they use webs, like a spider) - finely chopped up bits of small insects have been found inside these fungus gnat larvae (glow worms). Cave crickets and bats would not feed on these larvae and they have been known to eat snails and attach spiders. Something toxic within them maybe? I have little doubt that fungus gnats are the main cause of my morgellons. If we can do great teamwork, gather our info and expose this, then sooner the better. Sorry for the long post, but I hope its been of some interest! Jo xxx
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Post by kammy on Sept 3, 2009 17:15:44 GMT -5
Of course, it has, as always, Jo... you bring us such a wealth of knowledge, we need you more than ever! I was thinking that the frogs, bats, for sure are sick from this - and possibly the bees are , and it seems like the scientists would know? And, get it initiated to slow down on seeding anything with a white fungus? But, that would be too practical... I'm dreaming. I used to have a LOT of frogs, this year I didn't have any that I've heard??? It used to be eerie from all of them bellowing like an Alfred Hitchcock movie... now... it's even eerier to hear silence "Is that a pot plant on your sink area?"... lol "These black adult gnats are males and they dont live very long - they dont feed." Mine laid eggs before it died and I've seen one hop on my breakfast bacon... What are saying, Jo, that all the gnats that mature to adulthood are males? "The larvae will breed in drains and taps. The best thing to use down drains is washing soda." You mean like, laundry detergent (powder)? or baking soda? "Kam - you mentioned that your larvae reproduced before going through a fly's nornal life cycle - Great!! did you capture this on film?" I don't know for sure, Jo... I've never watch flies before. lol I'd have to do some reading and see how long each instar is supposed to last... but, I can verify that SOME of their known characteristics do not meet what is known to be true of natural flies. I'm positive my Morgellons is a small fly infestation, too, Jo. "Gall midge and fungus gnats are able to carry out the rare reproductive state of paedogenesis. This is where the larvae, not adults, produce live young, but in doing so the reproducing larva is killed in the process. This is what you observed Kam!" That's interesting, Jo... you mean with the unusal patterns that I saw, those represented a larva that had produced a live young? I have a theory about why they are being found dead in such large numbers... "This is the reason that if folks had such flies causing myiasis (infestation of fly larvae) it would be hard to shake. They reproduce quick, quick, quick." Yes, but they should start slowing down with cooler weather, we're in a peak time of summer? I don't notice them as much in the cooler weather months. So, do you recommend barley for our lesion areas, Jo? How do you want to expose it, Jo? Hey Violet, I didn't see you sneak in... how are you doing?
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Post by toni on Sept 3, 2009 17:33:32 GMT -5
Kammy said: I'm still looking at your shower, Toni, is that a gap of about 6 inches in-between the two doors when it stays open like that? It's hard to tell... is that a place where a small amount of condensation happens? Hi Kammy, and thank you. I think by the angle of the picture it's throwing off perception, which pictures can do that especially when there's alot of glass and you can't see it in person. (there's no gap it's all flat/flush across.) And no condensation occurs on it as the ceilings are very high 15ft and the shower is wide open like the one in the picture of that bath area like ours-our ceilings are just higher (but the top is like that) open.I think I'm starting to figure it out... will you run down a list of the places they're showing up dead in large numbers? Last year they were in the potato cupboard. (now there was an icky old potato in there ) but there were so many it scared me-and I really don't even know how they got in there. First time ever to see a bug...and I have had potatoes go icky in there many times over the last 10 years, because I forget about them in there. But...I've never had gnats by the gazillions like I did last year inside that potato cupboard, and haven't had them (in there since).
The bottom (of the refrigerator) under the last crisper drawers. I was cleaning the frig, took out all the two sets of drawers and (on the bottom-bottom) under the last set of drawers to my shock, there they ALL were (hundreds dead), just lying there. None anywhere else in the frig. Not a one anywhere "but underneath the last set of drawers...which was really weird.... let's see... your shower, ( My sisters freezer ) and in her ice cubes that the ice maker made.
your mother's freezer, was there one more? I do see one here and there, dead, but not in piles of them like I have in the other places. Thanks again. One last thing that's sort of funny. I have a TON of Freaky's specimens in a big box she'd sent me, and it's in my craft room, and one day I'm sitting in there, and I hear all this scratching noise.
Talk about being scared to death, (because Freaky kept telling me that her morgs specimens grow).
Well...I'm sitting very still...listening to see which direction the scratching noise is coming from, (and I'm thinking it's one of her MORGS things that GREW and now is crawling out of the big box) and all of a sudden....a LIZARD from who knows where runs up the wall!!!! Well..you can imagine the rest. I FREAKED and FLIPPED. ;D
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Post by toni on Sept 3, 2009 17:46:21 GMT -5
Jo,
Your post was great! Lots of good info too. Thank you.
The "plant isn't real, it's just a silk plant". I don't have any real plants anymore. (been at least 10 years for "real plants").
And I sure bet that doc was impressed with your dissecting! That is something I do appreciate you doing, because it's SO very important, because we'd not have known (about those fibers inside it that look like our red and blue fibers in that gnat) had you not done that.
And I understand (the male gnats don't last long) geeze. I guess they just hatch and die?
All that makes sense too about the (Glenda's/Godog's) frog eating the gnats also.
The fibers were VERY long. I mean that frog was wrapped in many colors of them. The video's are on that link, which you may have seen.
And yes, I'll get my guys/gnats dissolved (and try different solutions), because IF those red/blue/black fibers are in them and are like ours, the chemicals I'm going to use on them shouldn't hurt them - the fibers - if they're the "morgs fibers" like ours.
Thanks Jo.
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Post by kammy on Sept 3, 2009 17:49:21 GMT -5
So, you suspect that Freaky has Lizard Morgs?... we can start up a special thread for her?... (just kidding you, Freaky... love ya'!)
Do you have any lesions that are producing grits?... or anyone else in the house that is?
We're dealing with a GM biopesticide so that explains the potato one, easily enough...
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Post by toni on Sept 3, 2009 17:52:37 GMT -5
Hi Kam,
No, I'm not sure what the grits are.
(and I saw that too) what Jo wrote and I chuckled too. Jo that was funny! ;D (I knew what you meant though)
"Is that a pot plant on your sink area?"... lol (hehehe)
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Post by kammy on Sept 3, 2009 17:56:34 GMT -5
Hi Kam, No, I'm not sure what the grits are. "Is that a pot plant on your sink area?"... lol (hehehe) You know the stuff that comes out of our lesions? "Grits" must a Southern word, I guess? I thought that was funny - yeah, silk... good one! ;D
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