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Post by ruth on Dec 8, 2009 17:26:46 GMT -5
i'm anxious for the natural link one to come in (today ;D)
in reply 295 i talk about the green mold it would be the cladosporium. it looks the same.
in the natural link culture plates that i kept 2. i have only one colony of the cladosporium in each dish growing.
i want to know the white now gray stuff.
the green cladosporium must have taken over as the prolab result has it at 11 colonies.
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Post by Sidney on Dec 8, 2009 17:59:33 GMT -5
Thank you so much Ruth for sharing your results you've just gotten. I could give you a gigantic hug!!! Okay...now to rid this garbage. These are all very dangerous and life threatening molds if not gotten under control. They can enter the lungs, brain and we've already got it in our skin it very much seems. Toni-Sue, I'll try to find time to read up on all of them later, but considering I've had this going on in my face eighteen years minimum, seems like I'd be dead by now. I expect my findings will be right in line with Ruth's although I have neveer sent in a Pro-Lab petri dish. Waiting to hear from Dr. Abbott's lab regarding my scrapings and biopsy. I so hope I'll know something by the end of this week.
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Post by ruth on Dec 8, 2009 18:08:00 GMT -5
natural link mold lab resultsyeasts......50% absidia corymbifera.......38% ulocladium chartarum.......13% I WAS REALLY HOPING EACH LAB GAVE THE SAME RESULTS BUT THIS IS THE STERILE ONE.
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Post by ruth on Dec 8, 2009 18:10:29 GMT -5
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Post by Sidney on Dec 8, 2009 18:30:06 GMT -5
As Ruth mentioned, I was hoping for the results to be the same for at least a few of the species.
Anyway, I'm going to trust Dr. Abbott's lab on this one. Appreciate the links you provided, Ruth.
Thanks.
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Post by ruth on Dec 8, 2009 18:57:29 GMT -5
it looks likd the ulocladium chartarum is alternaria.
absidia is zygomycetes but also mucor?
one has yeasts that go with the ulocladium one has fusarium, i'll go check that out.
so far 2 out of 3 match.
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Post by toni on Dec 8, 2009 19:51:12 GMT -5
Thank you Ruth for all the updates. Here's a couple more links...so much to read about. www.moldacrossamerica.org/glossaryZ.htm www.springerlink.com/content/k6335lw504356058/Personally, I see getting different results from both places a good thing...(well..not good that there's such a variety) but - what this means to me is: The more specimens viewed (the more is showing up). Each of your specimens sent are not exact, so this way, we can see what all "is going on"...and not have your results be only "results from few specimens". I'm sure we're loaded with everything...it sure looks like it. And some of these are not common fungi. What's going to be a good cinch, (another big piece of the puzzle is) IF we all are showing up with the same stuff. Last time I talked with Lizzy, she wasn't doing well. It's been awhile since I have though, as I cannot get ahold of her. Somethings up with her phones...they won't take messages or something. Cherry/Cheryl Warren took Amphotericin B . It didn't help her at all. I'm not saying that to discourage, but, it's a dangerous drug. Posconazole might be "optional" or with less side effects together with Gentamycin. I only am reading this...so it's not a for sure. Heck nothing is a "for sure" when we don't know HOW we all got so infected with a very similiar thing to begin with...or what is causing this outbreak of Morgs. It's not like we all rolled around in the same backyard. And the BIGGIE is....( why all of a sudden ) has this hit as it has? See....that's buggin me too. Along with the Agro that was "medically" removed and diag'ed from Citvosky and Stricker. Don't want to go there though on this thread, but it's sure in the forefront of thoughts.
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Post by ruth on Dec 8, 2009 20:46:47 GMT -5
www.mold.ph/absidia.htmi've been wondering about the 50% yeasts. the absidia is yeastlike in tissue. "Zygomycosis is a group of fungal infections caused by organisms such as Rhizopus, Absidia, and Mucor. Zygomycetes can cause disseminated disease; however, disease of the pulmonary system and paranasal sinuses with extension to the brain are the most common.[27] Diabetes and immunosuppression (e.g., hematologic malignancies with profound neutropenia) are the primary risk factors for patients with zygomycosis.[28] A definitive diagnosis of zygomycosis is made by demonstration of tissue invasion on histopathologic examination at the infection site with or without microbiologic evidence of the fungus from the same site. The prognosis for patients with zygomycosis is poor, and aggressive early diagnosis and treatment are critical for improving outcomes." www.medscape.com/viewarticle/575247?src=mp&spon=30&uac=17184CT
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Post by ruth on Dec 8, 2009 21:35:10 GMT -5
From American Journal of Health-System Pharmacy Zygomycosis: An Emerging Fungal Infection Jack Brown, PharmD
Abstract and Introduction Abstract Purpose: The epidemiology, pathogenesis, clinical presentation and diagnosis, and management of zygomycosis are reviewed. Summary: The frequency of zygomycosis has been increasing over the past 10 years; infections have been identified in up to 6.8% of patients at autopsy. The most common route of transmission for Zygomycetes fungi is inhalation of spores from the environment. Patients at highest risk for infections caused by Mucorales fungi include those with profound immunosuppression or diabetes, intravenous drug abusers, premature infants, those receiving deferoxamine, and recipients of bone marrow transplants. Mucormycosis commonly presents as rhinocerebral or pulmonary disease; gastrointestinal presentations also occur. Clinical manifestations of invasive mucormycosis are tissue necrosis and subsequent thrombosis. Common features of pulmonary disease include fever, dyspnea, hemoptysis, and cavitation upon radiologic examination. The mainstays of treatment are control or reversal of the underlying disease or immunosuppression, antifungal therapy, and aggressive surgical debridement. Posaconazole, a new triazole antifungal, has been used successfully in a number of cases that did not respond to amphotericin B.Conclusion: Zygomycosis appears to be on the rise in the United States. The standard treatment is a combination of amphotericin B therapy, surgical debridement, and reversal of the underlying disease or immunosuppression.
Introduction Zygomycosis appears to have become more common since the mid-1990s and has been identified in up to 6.8% of patients at autopsy.[1,2] This trend, along with the rapid progression of zygomycosis and the unacceptably high mortality rate, has caused many to rethink the importance of this infection. This article reviews the epidemiology, pathogenesis, clinical presentation and diagnosis, and management of zygomycosis.
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Post by ruth on Dec 12, 2009 19:10:31 GMT -5
i emailed the results to MRF when i received them with no response.
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Post by Sidney on Dec 12, 2009 21:41:23 GMT -5
Probably as more results come in more attention COULD BE, HOPEFULLY, focused on the mold issue. I don't believe it's a lack of interest on their part, but we do need more facts before any organization is going to jump on this....or so it would seem.
So, once again, I encourage others to please, puhleeze, just participate and do it now before it's simply too late. That sounds so dire and I don't mean to be morbid nor dire, but some of these are very, very serious BIG BOYS......Zygomycetes and Zygomycosis are especially frightening.
I don't want to think it's too late for me to get healed and get my face repaired.
There are all sorts of meds along with debriding of skin or actual excision of tissue.....let's hope and pray that once we know more we can act rationally and approach this horrific issue as intelligently as possible.
Yes, it's a fact that the antifungals don't always take care of the problem, but you who have suffered short term, you DO have a really good chance of getting your life back. Don't wait until "it" has become so invasive you're at risk for serious internal issues.
The more I think of the injustice of all this mess the madder I become.
How many of you have had water damage to your home?
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Post by freaky on Dec 14, 2009 1:52:20 GMT -5
We have, you snow bunnies. Love, freaky
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Post by ppy18 on Dec 14, 2009 14:00:23 GMT -5
don,t know how far out this got into the public arena but Dr Smith was diagnosed with blastomycosis after major surgery a couple of years ago. it was an ah ha moment at the time because greg was such a big gardener but it just never went very far for whatever reason. i'm pretty sure it got posted on a couple of boards but i'm checking to find out where. hope this helps
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Post by Sidney on Dec 14, 2009 21:17:38 GMT -5
It was February 2008 I heard from Judy regarding Greg's surgery. I actually think he had the surgery in December, but am not sure. I do recall hearing something about Blastomycosis, but don't recall anything else. Wonder if anyone "ran" with it and investigated in depth?
Seems as though someone would have checked into it more thoroughly, and maybe they did and we just never heard about it.
Thanks for that reminder, ppy18!
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Post by bannanny on Dec 15, 2009 15:56:55 GMT -5
Hi guys,
I'm copying and pasting this from the thread I just wrote so the results are all on these mold threads too...
I haven't heard from Dr. Abbott yet, someone else from his office sent the results...
Alternaria alternata CPU/plate=2 % of mold=50%
Aspegillus niger CPU/plate=1 % of mold=25%
Chaetomium elatum CPU/plate=1 %of mold=25%
I know your results also show Alternaria ruth. I've also said from the very beginning of this nightmare that I felt Chaetomium was involved... at least in my case. Maybe it's what's making things so bad here. Reason I say that, is in my first or 2nd year of this we had the house tested for mold. It was one of the ways I was looking for answers to what I was experiencing. Both Aspergillus and Chaetomium were found, along with others that aren't showing in my results.
I wish I could find that first article I came across about Chaetomium, but I haven't been able to find it again since then. It said more or less, that once Chaetomium takes over, you might as well burn your house to the ground and then bury the ashes... but that more than likely wouldn't even rid it. I'm gonna keep trying to find that article tho, cuz it makes 100% sense to me as to what's happening here and to me as well.
I'm also starting to think that whatever the morg pathogen itself is, it could be possible that it's replicating the molds found in our homes, which would also explain the subtle differences we show... different molds in different environments. Yet, we all share common molds as well. It could also be replicating insects, etc. which would explain the different symptoms we show pertaining to insects, parasites, etc.
It's just a thought, but one that makes sense.
hugs ~~ bannanny
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Post by bannanny on Dec 15, 2009 18:29:16 GMT -5
I'm thinking the reason my culture only showed the 3 mold species it did is becuz I only put one sample in my dish. Once we get more results and then if I find I need to do it again but with more than one sample in the dish, I will.
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Post by fritolay66 on Dec 16, 2009 1:29:37 GMT -5
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Post by ruth on Dec 16, 2009 1:30:04 GMT -5
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Post by Sidney on Dec 16, 2009 11:54:57 GMT -5
Ruth, the photobucket link won't work. Can you please try again?
Thanks,
Sid
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Post by ruth on Dec 16, 2009 14:08:53 GMT -5
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