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Post by silverangel on Jan 6, 2010 16:39:39 GMT -5
hi all,
i have seen posts from some of u who have mentioned pain & bloating after eating? my morgie brain prevents me from finding the posts, so i don't remember who the posts were from. chaosonline's posts about the pancreas are scaring me too. karen, my prayers are with u.
here's what going on: anytime i eat more than a few bites of food (no matter what kind of food), a few minutes later i can "feel it" bloating me up on the left side, directly under my ribs. i also have severe pain in my back, also on the left side, also under the ribs, with a painful band around to the front pain. i have had this for several months, it was agonizing in the beginning, but have since found (some) relief.
at first i thought i was having kidney stones or kidney failure. my urine is very dark and cloudy, almost "foamy". and it smells really bad, like stale urine with a musty smell too. i guess i should throw in here that i am diabetic, and have thyroid disease (hypo), and have not been medically treated for either of these conditions in over a year. that is why i originally thought kidney failure or pancreatitis.....which really scared the poop out of me!
while visiting my family over christmas, my sister, an rn, was listening to me talk about these new symptoms.....she came over to me, pointed to the sore spot on my back, and said "does it hurt right here?" i said "oooh yes!" and she said "that's gastritis". ok so i looked up the symptoms of gastritis, yep! pain/bloating on the left side, pain in the back on the left side. i've read some accounts that the pain from gastritis has been described as worse than giving birth! (i can't relate to that, lol!) it can also be caused by viral infection, i have had 2 upper respiratory infections recently, so could be a remnant left over from that.
anyway, i just wanted to tell u all what has really helped me: (until i can get in to my m.d. to find out what's really going on, this is scaring me now) evidently when the pancreas stops producing enzymes, your body can no longer digest your food. i tried some digestive enzymes left over from when i was seeing a naturopath. this was like a miracle for me! i went to work that day, and felt like i could jump around and dance for the first time in months! i felt absolutely giddy from relief!
perhaps this belongs with the "enzyme info" thread also:
bannanny, if u are having digestive issues, the enzymes i am taking are from nature's sunshine, "food enzymes". here is what's in them: betaine hcl (for proteins), bile salt (for fats), bromelain! (skytroll mentioned these for h. pylori also, gastritis can be caused by that) ( for proteins), lipase (contains lactose from milk, for fats), alpha amylase (mycozyme, for starch), pancreatin (for all foods), papain (for proteins), pepsin (for proteins). this is all copied from the bottle. i think it is kind of expensive, last time i saw it at the health food store it was like $27.00 for 120 capsules. the recommended dosage is 1 or 2 capsules with each meal. a lot of health food stores carry the nature's sunshine brand, or u could find it online. ......not to trash any of the the good info u got on the enzyme thread!
anybody else have anything to say on digestive issues? i think my digestive system is morgie headquarters.
i must clear off more snow and go to work! brrrrrrr!
hugs, silverangel
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Post by freaky on Jan 7, 2010 2:09:00 GMT -5
Well, I certainly have the pain. Narcotics keep me from whining all the time, but they don't seem to actually rid the pain. Tonight was the worst. I have neck pain, back pain, stomach. Wierdest of all was every time I breathed in, I had pain under my colar bone. I have something different though, but a consequence of morgellons. I have diverticulosis, & what all that amounts to I guess are some miserable times. I am taking a stomach pill every day though, as I seem to have it everyday, & that includes bloating so much I sometimes look as though I'm 5 months pregnant. My weight varies on an extreme basis. Diverticulosis can turn into diverticulitis which is the most sever form of this disease, and known to be extremely painful. I hope I'm not changing the subject. I was leading up to how much I would like, as well, to feel giddy from relief.
Thanks for your suggestion for the enzymes, as I think they could help me too, silverangel. A couple of days ago I ordered some vinegar tablets to balance my PH levels. I think that would help as well. Stomach aches make my legs hurt bad because of FMS. It seems I have them every morning until I do my daily constitutional, but if that's late, I feel bad all day. I did feel bad all day, but I just threw that one off at my husband for getting me an extremely stressful computer. Tonight seemed to be the worst cramping in my lower stomach, and the left side also. So here's to stomach pain.
Love ya, freaky k
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Post by lilsissy on Jan 7, 2010 7:18:12 GMT -5
so glad you posted on this. I have wanted to warn about digestive enzymes too.
This crap is feeding on our enzymes ,
Jen
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Post by silverangel on Jan 9, 2010 16:25:46 GMT -5
freaky, my dear, i am so sorry u r having so much pain & misery. gentle hugs for u diverticulosis could be my problem as well.....i have so much pain & bloating, that i look pregnant too. my weight also fluctuates greatly, depending on how bloated i am. i think the enzymes may help u, just make sure u drink LOTS of water while taking them, to flush out what you're digesting. oh, and it helps with the daily constitutionals too! pooping is so important! another thing that is soothing for stomach/digestion is ginger, i like traditional medicinals "organic ginger aid tea". i am full of candida again....i can tell by the way my poop looks (and YES i look at my poop everyday!!!) ;D when i was on the candida diet, my stomach was, for the first time i think EVER, flat! be careful with the vinegar tabs or any kind of vinegar, for that matter, if u have candida of any type, it feeds yeast! i had severe candidiasis, got rid of it for a while, and now it's baaaaaack! what kind of stomach pill do u take? narcotics, for me, are not an option. i have to be sober enough to perform my job, the brain fog is bad enough, LOL! and also i am so sensitive to everything rx, even vicodin makes me violently sick (given to me after a root canal). i have also found turmeric helps with any kind of pain from inflammation. also, maybe i shouldn't be saying this on a public forum, but a friend stopped over with "a big fattie", and well i'll just say, u can't tell me that stuff's NOT medicinal! here's to giddy relief, for u honey! i finally made an appt. with a real doc, so hopefully i'll know what's really going on, soon. lilsissy, what are your warnings about enzymes? please DO tell us! i have been doing a lot of reading about the pancreas, digestion, and enzymes. hugs, silverangel
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Post by Sidney on Jan 9, 2010 21:38:17 GMT -5
Well, I must inquire about a Big Fattie since I don't have a clue what a Big Fattie might be.
I mean, I could use my adult imagination, but I think I won't go there.
Kindly define a Big Fattie. I might decide to get one or a dozen, but until I know what a Big Fattie is I'll just sit here and wonder.
Is it legal or illegal? What color is it? Am I old enough to have one? How much does it cost?
Should I get one for my dog and cat? Will my husband want one too? He'd probably say he already has a Big Fattie, that would really pith me off! Please reply soon. Thank you.
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Post by lilsissy on Jan 9, 2010 23:02:35 GMT -5
They just legalized big fatty's for pain in Michigan,
jen
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Post by Sidney on Jan 9, 2010 23:34:11 GMT -5
Thank you, Jen. Got the idea now.
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Post by silverangel on Jan 9, 2010 23:55:31 GMT -5
sidney, forgive me, i should not have assumed that everyone would know what i was talking about.... i had to laugh tho when u said "will my husband want one too?" i was thinking "yep i bet he will, if he knows u have one!" and if he says he already has one, he's not talking about what i was talking about earlier!!! tee hee hee! totally NOT making fun of u my dear! ;D but now that u know what it is, go back and re-read your post, i bet you'll find it funny too! i hope! uh .....sidney? thank u, jen for explaining it so eloquently totally don't want to offend anyone here either! hugs, silverangel
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Post by lilsissy on Jan 10, 2010 22:07:01 GMT -5
silverangel,
I'm sorry I worded that bad, I meant to say I wanted to warn everyone, it may need our enzymes to live as it may not produce it's own thereby depleting you of essential enzymes.
Some organisms do that.
Jen
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Post by silverangel on Jan 10, 2010 23:24:58 GMT -5
lilsissy, thanks for clearing that up (for me). now that i re-read what u had posted, it made sense the way u meant it. i read it with morg fog, lol!
i'm pretty sure my pancreas no longer secretes enzymes at all.....i can no longer digest my own food.
hugs, silverangel
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Post by fritolay66 on Jan 11, 2010 0:11:10 GMT -5
I don't fully agree that often, but in this instance Jen, I do whole heartedly believe this disease depletes our enzymes, more specifically its precursors.
Those enzymes, they regulate just about everything in our bodies. Hormones, detoxification pathways, regulatory secretions, everything we have a problem with. But I do not believe enzymes themselves are helpful. Bottled ones. The precursors of enzymes is what has helped me the most.
Frito
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Post by skytroll on Jan 11, 2010 0:27:47 GMT -5
for pancreatitis, ViaKase was recommended for my son, helps digest foods. or Papaya enzymes, pineapple helps if you can get down. I am wondering if carbohydrates are having an issue as well as fatty foods.\ Any processed foods, stick to whole natural organic, but, watch for the fungal issues in them.
Lets see....give up calcium carbonate, in sodas, drink juices, watered down, out with MSG, fructose, (sugar substitutes), aspartame, all artificial, cut down sugar, peel fruits, peel potatoes, watch for fresh lettuce, often has slugs on it, and any fungal stuff on any fresh produce, cut it out, don't eat, just adds to our fungal issues.
Wash fruits and vegtables first with vinegar, then with hydrogen peroxide.
Squeaky clean then...........
Suggestions of tea tree soap and endure, good one from ruth : Dr. Staninger's products.
However, if can't afford then use tea tree oil diluted or tea tree soap, and the air drying soaps after. Sometimes we have to substitute, but, peppermint soap, natural soaps, coconut shampoo for hair, use fungal ointment, soothes, and pulls some of fungus and fibers out.
just some other suggestions.
skytroll
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Post by freaky on Jan 11, 2010 5:34:05 GMT -5
Wow, this is a lot of stuff. Please forgive my late reply, as I have had some time consuming facial issues to deal with, and it's been a long drag out fight. In the end I suppose they won, as I didn't get to go to my daughter's baby party. Less than 10 days, and our little grandson is going to be lifted into the real world, to meet his Sparkles, his gradmama. It took me a long time to get off the floor after I read Sid's post. I laughed so hard, I fell out of my chair. That's OK Sid, I didn't get it either. Silverangel, now how ever could you conclude the medicinal aspects of a big fattie by just looking at it? Thank you for my gentle hugs Silver. Don't think I ever got any those before, & I felt so comforted. Shoot, I may have what you do, but as for eating, I have no problems. I have some enzymes, & I just took one with my past midnight snack. We really have a lot in common, it's amazing. I too, inspect my poop on a daily basis. I'm not a big meat eater, and I hate to say I put this in my mouth, but my husband does the cooking. Next day, I saw something very suspicious, & found it was a piece of undigested pork from the night before. Oh my. Have you looked at your back with a hand mirror? As I've said before, I have multiple lines on my back which make their way to my neck, to my head. Those pains in your back may be the culprits chomping on whatever seems tasty. The pains in the front of your bod, I can't comment, & you are a good girl to go to the doc. Please let us know what words of knowledge he has to share. I thought candida was associated with the urinary tract. How could you tell it was present by looking at your poop. You have a smart sister. Wonder what the diff in gastritis, & diverticulosis is. I am taking stuff like tavist, and Omeprazole, delayed release tablets which are an acid reducer. I have much more babble input, but it has gotten too late for me to continue. Was wanting to talk about the worms in my poop. Ya got any of them? After so many months, in a jar with alcohol, they are doing quite dandy. Is lilsissy the Jen I know? or are there 2 jeanys? I think so, Only the jeany I know can tell me for sure. Since I must go, I'll send you a gentle hug as well, so you will be able to cease your pain. Later, love freaky
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Post by silverangel on Jan 17, 2010 15:44:01 GMT -5
wanted to get back to this thread earlier, but this week has been a blur.... monday, i went to my m.d., and explained the acute pains i was having. he poked and prodded my back and sides and here was his diag: the pain in my back was dislocated ribs (again or still) from the 2 severe colds i had. the first time this happened was on the right side, this time was on the left, and much more painful. he prescribed naproxen for inflammation. this helped greatly until i could get to the chiropractor. the pains and bloating in my left side and to the left of my belly button, he said, is my colon, and for me to "get more fiber". wednesday i went to the chiro to fix my ribs, which he did. i still have some soreness back there (tenderness), but that is to be expected. the horrid pain has mostly gone away, and the enzymes, more fiber, and ginger tea have given some relief from the stomach issues. the chiro explained that the colon issues could have been magnified by the nerves, ribs and muscles being out of whack. the m.d. also started me on a low dose of thyroid med, since i haven't taken any in over a year. a week later and i am feeling the effects already. it's like the sun finally burned thru an area of the fog, and i feel a little more focused and not as clumsy.
freaky, how awesome that u will have a new grandbaby to love! sparkles, i love it! my mom, to grandchildren and great-grandchildren, is mimi. my sister is nomi. i just got to see my great-nieces (three of em) and nephew over christmas. so sorry that u r having the issues, tho. i wish to at least be pain free enough so that i can start exercising again. pain has left me sedentary and weak, i hate it! oh, did i lead u to believe that i just LOOKED at that big fattie? heck no! well it's just plain rude to let someone smoke alone...... ;D AND it really does give relief from pain. now i'm not condoning illegal behavior, ya hear? i had to laugh at sid's post too! (love u, sid!) the candida issue, once it goes systemic, can overtake your whole body. when candida is at normal, the good flora in your body keeps it at bay. as soon as u kill off too many good flora (and there are many ways to cause this), the candida takes over, grows hyphae, goes into the bloodstream and takes over your whole body. that was what happened to me, even tho the doc said i wouldn't be walking around if i had candidiasis. i had really good results with the naturopathic treatment for candida, and a strict candida diet. took about 100 days to test clean for candida. that was 2 years ago. needless to say, my diet and (non) lifestyle sucks, and i can tell it's back. lots more to talk about too, but this post is too long now, and i need to get up from here! as far as i know there are 2 jen's, me and lilsissy, and only 1 jeany......i think?
skytroll, thanks for the tips, and welcome back! we've missed u! i've had good luck with tea tree soap and lotion, topically.
frito, what are the precursor enzymes? can u get them as a supplement? thanks for your input on this too.
hugs all, silverangel
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Post by fritolay66 on Jan 17, 2010 22:16:33 GMT -5
I believe lilsissy made the observation that "this crap feeds on our enzymes". There are some cases in which I feel enzymes would be important to supplement. Such as in digestive problems or pancreatic problems.
But in the case of Morgellons, I also believe that Morgellons feeds off the enzymes. But this needs to be clarified further. Enzymes are the result of proteins in which enzymes catalyze chemical reactions needed by the cellular processes of our bodies. Proteins are built on certain vitamins and amino acids. These are what I am referring to as precursors to enzymes.
Within the body and in the strict context of Morgellons, of which many of us have tested positive in the guidelines for Lyme or have tested positive for bands associated with Lyme, toxicity due to the pathogens is pretty well understood and accepted. So again, in this context, the detoxification pathways of our bodies are being depleted so they cannot function to detoxify and also being depleted to where enzymes, the catalysts of chemical reactions in our bodies cannot function as normal. Domino effect.
These many pathways, I have discussed before. And I just wanted to explain, that in the case of disease, supplementing enzymes will not be sufficient because the precursors, the vitamins, minerals, and amino acids utilized by the body have been depleted. You cannot supplement the pathway with the ready made enzyme and expect your body to be normal again. Yes, it is helpful to some. But it does not address the deficiencies creating the scenario in the first place. In shorter words, these pathways can only be hit at certain points in order to normalize function.
Frito
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