Of those who have been treated with the anti-parasitic medications "Ivermectin" and "Albendazole".. Which one seemed to be more effective?? How was it prescribed to you,, milligrams, daily or monthly dosage,, and, how long did you take it??
My instructions from the Infectious Disease Clinic in Boston was to take 5 (2mg) pills of Ivermectin each day for 2 consecutive days. That's all I took and within 2 weeks I felt better than I've felt in 10 years!
Perhaps each drug works differently on each person...and depending on the types of parasites too and what phase they are in.
I still have organisms with fibers exiting my nasal passages...so it didn't get them all!
For my "itchies" and "breakouts" definitely the Ivermectin/Stromectol worked best.
I took 5 Stromectol pills (people Ivermectin) a day for 6 months. They were 3 mg each.
I felt relief almost instantly (day two or three) and there after.
The relief continued "while" I remained on the pills.
Once I quit, (after taking them daily for 6 months straight) I broke out in at LEAST 100 brand new lesions "by day 3 of stopping".
At that time ( I did not want to continue the meds). Why? Because I saw they were only masking (imho) what was really going on. They didn't (rid) anything (imho). They only inhibited and covered up my symptoms, and I knew that by the way I broke out after stopping them.
(Cytokines/cell receptors) ARE influenced by certain drugs/meds AND by illness/diseases.
Psychotic meds, Ivermectin, etc ALL inhibit "cytokine activity". ((( maybe that's why when some have taken *antipsychotic* meds for lack right now of what they're called, they too "experienced breakout relief".
I read a lot about doctors saying that once "antisychotic" meds were administered, the Morgs symptoms ceased.
BUT....hahahaha (that IS how they fooled many) imho.
Saying "we're DOP".... JUST BECAUSE WHAT THOSE MEDS REALLY DO IS SLOW DOWN CYTOKINE ACTIVITY! And not what they were saying which was: As soon as the patient took an antipsychotic med, they got better.
No they didn't!
Ivermectin WILL do the same thing, as there IS an ingredient in it (I'd posted about this awhile back) that WILL also do the same thing - inhibit or hinder (cytokine activity)...so...we then experience relief, but......Morgs doesn't go anywhere.
No differently than taking an "antihistamine". I'm not saying "Ivermectin is like antihistamines"....I'm using antihistamines as a parallel to what I'm trying to explain.
This is the example:
When the body sometimes is allergic to something ...say a food- it then produces "histamine".
One might get itchy bumps (as the histamine is released). Well, an ANTI-histamine will inhibit/hinder the release of histamines...so "relief happens". No itchies.
And in all reality, taking an antihistamine, did not rid histamine from the body, no - it only "hindered/inhibited it" - same as what the Ivermectin will do, and the antipsychotic meds, IMHO.
So the parallel is: Ivermectin, or antipsychotic meds, BOTH have an ingredient that "also does this inhibiting thing to our cytokines".
When cytokines (cellular signals) cannot be connected, the body feels pretty darn good, because everything isn't going haywire, meaning the infection isn't causing the body as much distress, because nothing is signaling the reaction as much.
But...these meds (from my experience) not the antipsychotic, hadn't tried that one, but the Ivermectin I did, that will give relief, sure seems to be "only temporary while taking the drug/med".
When I stopped taking the Ivermectin, and saw that it was in fact only temporary, I then took a supplement and got the same relief, and have ever since.
I don't break out anything like I use to. I don't believe Morgs is gone at all, but I've managed to "copy" by using supplements what Ivermectin did for me. And the reason I went this route, is because (imho) taking meds that much does more harm than good in the long run. I prefer not to deliberately put chemicals in my system IF I can avoid it.
Of course had I not found the supplements to give relief, I'd have to keep with the Ivermectin.
So much I could say about it...which I did also find that before I quit them, I did find ((( consistently ))) that taking them ONLY 5 days during the beginning of each month, and then stopping and then again only taking 5 days worth during the middle of each month, I did get the same relief as when I took them every single day for 6 months.
(why?) do I believe that I got the same relief taking them daily as "then doing the 5 day run with them only at the beginning of each month and during the middle of each month)?
Because it is fact that "cytokine activity" is influenced by the lunar cycle. Gravity. (Fact) as much as it's influenced by infections/diseases.
NASA found that "anti gravity" too...slowed cytokine activity.
But, we here on Earth, have to deal with the lunar cycles of gravity, just as the tides of the oceans do.
(one last note, sorry this is a book) but so much to say about this, that I sometimes burst at the seams:
I watched a progam on Discovery last weekend too, and there ARE many *critters* that DO hatch only at full moons every month. So, whether it's cytokine activity in our body going haywire because of our (infections) or whether it's *critters* hatching, or both....I wish we knew. But there sure seems to be something to it if you keep a calander of "it's" schedule.
I'm thinking that it might be best to rotate from what I'm seeing with the doctor's protocols. Do one - one time, another one the next.
I felt improvement with Ivermectin.
I'm taking an herbal called - Artemisia and Jeany is taking Quensyl... (for the parasite aspect) I'm taking 2 in the morning and 2 in the evening for 2 weeks, stop for 2 weeks, and then resume for 2 weeks. Jeany is taking Quensyl everyday for 8 weeks.
And, we'll probably end up taking another 2 weeks of Flagyl at the end of the 8 weeks.
IMO - Our parasites tend to become immune - you have to keep them off balance.
In order to get optimum results - you also have to also address the fungal and bacterial aspects at the same time you're doing the antiparasiticals, (as per the doctor's protocols.)
Oh yeah, I remember that one of the medications that you have listed is NOT water soluable. It's the one that has the little white pills. VERY STRONG and will make your hair fall out and thats a fact. THE GOOD NEWS IT WILL GROW BACK WHEN YOU STOP.
Doctor told me that I should crush up the pills into a teaspoon of vodka and then add that to a glass of water and drink. I took like bunch of the pills at once. I think it was eight pills. Check out the directions. If u don't make it soluable, you are just paying good money and passing it right out of the body . .
And if you see the "ingredients" you'll see (Orap which is an anti psychotic) as well as Ivermectin, they BOTH have particular ingredients that:
HAVE CYTOKINE ACTIVITY INHIBITING PROPERTIES.
Sure don't mean to sidetrack your thread Rhorn, just trying to help regarding your question about Ivermectin. Maybe you could ask your doc too IF there's anything less (chemical-ized) that can help also with "cytokine" calming.
Okay, this is an "AH HA"!!! Found what I was looking for (one of the things anyways).
Regarding the IVERMECTIN - and WHY it "acts" like it works, when "I've sure not found anyone who's been cured of Morgs by it...imho.
It only WORKS while taking the med, but once stopped, all the itchies/sores/breakouts come right back.
Now, none of this is "in stone anywhere of WHY" Ivermectin and anti psychotics really do keep the lid on In regards ONLY to MORGS because it is proven Ivermectin does inhibit "cytokines" , but....if:
you put the "facts of these chemicals together and what they do, and how cytokines are released by the immune etc, and how cytokine activity IS IN FACT dictated by gravity ...it SURE makes sense" of "why the cycle of Morgs seems to happen to many" and why the itchies/sores subside when taking these medications.
They don't "cure" imho, they only calm.
Calm the cytokine activity - which the "activity of the cytokines being secreted in abundance (called cytokine storms medically) ARE what make us feel super lousy - and calming them with particular meds, makes us feel better. Not cured, just better.. or able to tolerate "infections" with lesser distress to the body.
And "microgravity" effect on our cytokines:
Dysregulation of the immune system has been a well-documented effect of human exposure to a microgravity environment during space flight. These effects have included altered cytokine production....
The Albendazole definitely helps to knock things back and it does seem to clear parasites out of the digestive tract, at least temporarily. I was on Albendazole for over two years, taking occasional breaks. I am taking it once again.
My impression about the Ivectermin is that it is a little more dangerous than the Albendazole. I have taken the Ivectermin for five days at a time once every 3-4 months.
I have also used the Ivectermen paste that may be ordered from vet supply places on line mixed it with DMSO and applied the mixture directly to lesions. This tactic is helpful, although even with all the meds I have taken the best thing I can say is that they have helped control the symptoms and slow it down but no cure.
Three nights ago I started taking the Ivermectin again, as I had been out about a month. By the third day the parasites were on a rampage exiting. At least you can clean-up a little, if you know what I mean. The best way to take it that I know of is to buy the liquid. The paste made me gag. I take 6 cc's, & I really don't know if it's too much, but I wouldn't say it's too little. I mix it with pomegranate juice which masks the taste, about 3 oz, I think, or about 2 & 1/2 " in a glass. The prescription pills, I think are way too expensive, depending on your insurance. I do this about 3 X's, 2 X's a month. The other times, I take Albendazole off, & on, and I'll probably run out soon. I take the boluses, which are the horse pills. I just bite off a third. Was getting them from Greece, & I think I got them from e-bay, but don't remember now. If you want me to just write me. They quit selling them for some reason, but may have started back up again. Non of the feed stores seem to carry the boluses. I just think they help clean out some of the garbage, but nothing made me feel better than the Ivermectin, which you get at the horse feed place, with a syringe, a big one so you don't have to draw it out twice. Suppose it's a matter of personal preference. Do you want to feel like garbage while waiting for a cure? I get off on seeing my parasites floating in the toilet, and just that mentally makes me feel better. I always take the Ivermec. during the full moon, as it is the most potent. You should be careful with it though, as one evening I believe I had mixed it with too many other things, which made me a little psychotic. I was looking for the kitchen upstairs. I was having a narcolepsy attack at the same time though. I make sure I always take Milk Thistle with them, as they are both hard on the liver. My dr. wouldn't prescribe them to me, because of that. Sorry for no paragraphs. I'm in a hurry to retire. Take care, big hug, freaky
Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass. It's about learning to dance in the rain, or rioting in the rain, if justice, truth, & the cure for Morgellons does not prevail. Remember the Boston Tea Party.We remember the reformation of the 16th century religgious movement that resulted in establishing the protestant churches. We're already dancing in the midsts of the morgellons reform movmt
What I do (how I take supplements) is, well, first off, they're cumulative. They take at least a week or two before they're really "in the system". Unlike meds, where meds/drugs work almost instantly, (supplements) need taken constantly to be beneficial.
They're (supplemental to what we eat and drink daily) the nutrients in them, since we can't eat all the vitamins in all the food groups we need daily.
But, I don't take the same ones (for long hauls).
I'll take the basic (Super B Complex with added B-12 everyday). And Vit C daily (everyday). Acidophilus (everyday) Milk Thistle (everyday)
But...as for the rest of them, like Red Clover, CoQ10, Olive Leaf, Alpha Lipoic, oh...there's many, I'll take all these types for about a month, then I switch to "another batch" of supplements and take all those - like the Bone,Flesh & Cartilage.
I rotate them all about every month to 6 weeks.
Except the B's, C's, Milk Thistle, Acidophilus (those are every day no matter what)....I never stop one a day of these. For me, these are the bare bones "foundation" that I have to have, or I'll feel dragged out/tired.
All the rest of them, are 4 weeks to 6 wks "run" I'll do with them, then switch to others for 4-6wks.
I thought some might be interested in this in the future. Ivermectin is the fermented by product of Streptomyces avermilits and is an antibiotic classified as an avermectin originally used in parasite targeting. It has paralytic affects on the target parasite by causing hyperpolarization of their CNS. It will make them quite active before becoming paralyzed.
hownow browncow : The more interesting question would be, how do doctors pass those exams. If you would imagine I do not have this disease what would you base your intelligence on, five bug bite looking spots, 6, 19.
Jul 27, 2014 0:17:47 GMT -5
hownow browncow : Have you ever heard of Morgellons, that rash you had, imagine its a disease rash, part of the hidden ugly associated with being INFECTED with a DISEASE. Have you ever heard of a dermatologist, I will not say they are worth anything, but they treat
Jul 27, 2014 0:20:08 GMT -5
hownow browncow : SKIN ISSUES, not bug issues, still parasitic invasion is quite common, DEMODEX are VERY common, but they just are not this disease, you do not get a gold star. If the kind of itching I had was caused by a parasite I would have no body left
Jul 27, 2014 0:25:59 GMT -5
hownow browncow : Don't be frustrated, get some fertile chicken eggs, grind a hole in them and put a drop of blood in the embryo, I guaranty results, I think you will find that this monster can live in any warm blooded animal. Its simple, incubator, fertile chicken eggs.
Jul 27, 2014 0:30:28 GMT -5
hownow browncow : I know too busy shooing the bugs away. I had a Jehovah Witness come to the door today she had a few little tiny flys after her, she kept swatting at them, I asked her please do me a favor, stop bothering my flys they were trying to get something to eat,
Jul 27, 2014 0:34:58 GMT -5
hownow browncow : I know your in pain and disgusted, the bug idea is getting us NO WHERE except to the bug house, the funny farm, the loony bin, the rubber room, the bug factory, nut house, mad house. Credibility is nil when you say bug
Jul 27, 2014 0:46:29 GMT -5
hownow browncow : Hope you will fell better soon.
Jul 27, 2014 0:47:08 GMT -5
Kitty2014: WhatsamattaU, why do you have to resort to sarcasm to ones' who are in the same rocky boat as you? I thought you were a troll! I can understand that after 42 yrs, you're probably real pi$$ed, but really, it doesn't help our cause! Don't get me wrong,
Jul 28, 2014 0:36:44 GMT -5
Kitty2014: humour is the most precious thing we have left, I s'pose and as futile as you think it is, I will always challenge anyone who thinks we are not speakin' the truth! I don't even understand why they come on here, as this is a Morgie community, is it not!?
Jul 28, 2014 0:44:50 GMT -5
Kitty2014: Anyway, I kinda like your style, now I know you're a sufferer! I'm sorry life and the to$$ers' who ridicule us have reduced you to your almost hostile sarcasm! By the way, I don't presume I'm special, with my own disease, just defensive of what I've got!
Jul 28, 2014 0:50:16 GMT -5
Kitty2014: Lol!!! Incidentally, got some interesting pics, but none of the little 8astard fibres or whatever they are! I've seen a couple poke out of my pores, but rather than get my camera out, I just panic and try to get 'em to go back in! Lol not!
Jul 28, 2014 0:53:17 GMT -5
Kitty2014: FrustratedGuest, I feel your pain! If you want somethin' that may be of help, with an alternative answer, look at: http://livingwithmorgellons.wordpress.com/2013/05/30/what-morgellons-does-to-a-life/ I've found it helpful, see Binky's posts esp!
Jul 28, 2014 0:58:54 GMT -5
Kitty2014: WhatsamattaU, I must apologise, it was Hownow browncow being almost hostile and accusing one of feelin' special! I am truly sorry!!! It's this box, gets confusin'! Wish we had a full page! Lol!
Jul 28, 2014 1:10:06 GMT -5
Kitty2014: Hownow browncow, hope you're feelin' much better yourself! Don't forget, we're the good guys!!! Peace and mental confusion! Lol!
Jul 28, 2014 1:12:39 GMT -5
Bozo krown : I see what your saying anyone that has a ulterior opinion would be a troll, or angry, or just not part of the group. Through the eons it has been people with alternate ideas that have solved the quiz of reality.
Jul 28, 2014 10:26:40 GMT -5
Bozo krown : To question at times was a way to your death, right now in Pakistan they are murdering other Muslims because they do not see eye to eye who the savior is, that idea here would have all the Christians dead.
Jul 28, 2014 10:29:32 GMT -5