Of those who have been treated with the anti-parasitic medications "Ivermectin" and "Albendazole".. Which one seemed to be more effective?? How was it prescribed to you,, milligrams, daily or monthly dosage,, and, how long did you take it??
My instructions from the Infectious Disease Clinic in Boston was to take 5 (2mg) pills of Ivermectin each day for 2 consecutive days. That's all I took and within 2 weeks I felt better than I've felt in 10 years!
Perhaps each drug works differently on each person...and depending on the types of parasites too and what phase they are in.
I still have organisms with fibers exiting my nasal passages...so it didn't get them all!
For my "itchies" and "breakouts" definitely the Ivermectin/Stromectol worked best.
I took 5 Stromectol pills (people Ivermectin) a day for 6 months. They were 3 mg each.
I felt relief almost instantly (day two or three) and there after.
The relief continued "while" I remained on the pills.
Once I quit, (after taking them daily for 6 months straight) I broke out in at LEAST 100 brand new lesions "by day 3 of stopping".
At that time ( I did not want to continue the meds). Why? Because I saw they were only masking (imho) what was really going on. They didn't (rid) anything (imho). They only inhibited and covered up my symptoms, and I knew that by the way I broke out after stopping them.
(Cytokines/cell receptors) ARE influenced by certain drugs/meds AND by illness/diseases.
Psychotic meds, Ivermectin, etc ALL inhibit "cytokine activity". ((( maybe that's why when some have taken *antipsychotic* meds for lack right now of what they're called, they too "experienced breakout relief".
I read a lot about doctors saying that once "antisychotic" meds were administered, the Morgs symptoms ceased.
BUT....hahahaha (that IS how they fooled many) imho.
Saying "we're DOP".... JUST BECAUSE WHAT THOSE MEDS REALLY DO IS SLOW DOWN CYTOKINE ACTIVITY! And not what they were saying which was: As soon as the patient took an antipsychotic med, they got better.
No they didn't!
Ivermectin WILL do the same thing, as there IS an ingredient in it (I'd posted about this awhile back) that WILL also do the same thing - inhibit or hinder (cytokine activity)...so...we then experience relief, but......Morgs doesn't go anywhere.
No differently than taking an "antihistamine". I'm not saying "Ivermectin is like antihistamines"....I'm using antihistamines as a parallel to what I'm trying to explain.
This is the example:
When the body sometimes is allergic to something ...say a food- it then produces "histamine".
One might get itchy bumps (as the histamine is released). Well, an ANTI-histamine will inhibit/hinder the release of histamines...so "relief happens". No itchies.
And in all reality, taking an antihistamine, did not rid histamine from the body, no - it only "hindered/inhibited it" - same as what the Ivermectin will do, and the antipsychotic meds, IMHO.
So the parallel is: Ivermectin, or antipsychotic meds, BOTH have an ingredient that "also does this inhibiting thing to our cytokines".
When cytokines (cellular signals) cannot be connected, the body feels pretty darn good, because everything isn't going haywire, meaning the infection isn't causing the body as much distress, because nothing is signaling the reaction as much.
But...these meds (from my experience) not the antipsychotic, hadn't tried that one, but the Ivermectin I did, that will give relief, sure seems to be "only temporary while taking the drug/med".
When I stopped taking the Ivermectin, and saw that it was in fact only temporary, I then took a supplement and got the same relief, and have ever since.
I don't break out anything like I use to. I don't believe Morgs is gone at all, but I've managed to "copy" by using supplements what Ivermectin did for me. And the reason I went this route, is because (imho) taking meds that much does more harm than good in the long run. I prefer not to deliberately put chemicals in my system IF I can avoid it.
Of course had I not found the supplements to give relief, I'd have to keep with the Ivermectin.
So much I could say about it...which I did also find that before I quit them, I did find ((( consistently ))) that taking them ONLY 5 days during the beginning of each month, and then stopping and then again only taking 5 days worth during the middle of each month, I did get the same relief as when I took them every single day for 6 months.
(why?) do I believe that I got the same relief taking them daily as "then doing the 5 day run with them only at the beginning of each month and during the middle of each month)?
Because it is fact that "cytokine activity" is influenced by the lunar cycle. Gravity. (Fact) as much as it's influenced by infections/diseases.
NASA found that "anti gravity" too...slowed cytokine activity.
But, we here on Earth, have to deal with the lunar cycles of gravity, just as the tides of the oceans do.
(one last note, sorry this is a book) but so much to say about this, that I sometimes burst at the seams:
I watched a progam on Discovery last weekend too, and there ARE many *critters* that DO hatch only at full moons every month. So, whether it's cytokine activity in our body going haywire because of our (infections) or whether it's *critters* hatching, or both....I wish we knew. But there sure seems to be something to it if you keep a calander of "it's" schedule.
I'm thinking that it might be best to rotate from what I'm seeing with the doctor's protocols. Do one - one time, another one the next.
I felt improvement with Ivermectin.
I'm taking an herbal called - Artemisia and Jeany is taking Quensyl... (for the parasite aspect) I'm taking 2 in the morning and 2 in the evening for 2 weeks, stop for 2 weeks, and then resume for 2 weeks. Jeany is taking Quensyl everyday for 8 weeks.
And, we'll probably end up taking another 2 weeks of Flagyl at the end of the 8 weeks.
IMO - Our parasites tend to become immune - you have to keep them off balance.
In order to get optimum results - you also have to also address the fungal and bacterial aspects at the same time you're doing the antiparasiticals, (as per the doctor's protocols.)
Oh yeah, I remember that one of the medications that you have listed is NOT water soluable. It's the one that has the little white pills. VERY STRONG and will make your hair fall out and thats a fact. THE GOOD NEWS IT WILL GROW BACK WHEN YOU STOP.
Doctor told me that I should crush up the pills into a teaspoon of vodka and then add that to a glass of water and drink. I took like bunch of the pills at once. I think it was eight pills. Check out the directions. If u don't make it soluable, you are just paying good money and passing it right out of the body . .
And if you see the "ingredients" you'll see (Orap which is an anti psychotic) as well as Ivermectin, they BOTH have particular ingredients that:
HAVE CYTOKINE ACTIVITY INHIBITING PROPERTIES.
Sure don't mean to sidetrack your thread Rhorn, just trying to help regarding your question about Ivermectin. Maybe you could ask your doc too IF there's anything less (chemical-ized) that can help also with "cytokine" calming.
Okay, this is an "AH HA"!!! Found what I was looking for (one of the things anyways).
Regarding the IVERMECTIN - and WHY it "acts" like it works, when "I've sure not found anyone who's been cured of Morgs by it...imho.
It only WORKS while taking the med, but once stopped, all the itchies/sores/breakouts come right back.
Now, none of this is "in stone anywhere of WHY" Ivermectin and anti psychotics really do keep the lid on In regards ONLY to MORGS because it is proven Ivermectin does inhibit "cytokines" , but....if:
you put the "facts of these chemicals together and what they do, and how cytokines are released by the immune etc, and how cytokine activity IS IN FACT dictated by gravity ...it SURE makes sense" of "why the cycle of Morgs seems to happen to many" and why the itchies/sores subside when taking these medications.
They don't "cure" imho, they only calm.
Calm the cytokine activity - which the "activity of the cytokines being secreted in abundance (called cytokine storms medically) ARE what make us feel super lousy - and calming them with particular meds, makes us feel better. Not cured, just better.. or able to tolerate "infections" with lesser distress to the body.
And "microgravity" effect on our cytokines:
Dysregulation of the immune system has been a well-documented effect of human exposure to a microgravity environment during space flight. These effects have included altered cytokine production....
The Albendazole definitely helps to knock things back and it does seem to clear parasites out of the digestive tract, at least temporarily. I was on Albendazole for over two years, taking occasional breaks. I am taking it once again.
My impression about the Ivectermin is that it is a little more dangerous than the Albendazole. I have taken the Ivectermin for five days at a time once every 3-4 months.
I have also used the Ivectermen paste that may be ordered from vet supply places on line mixed it with DMSO and applied the mixture directly to lesions. This tactic is helpful, although even with all the meds I have taken the best thing I can say is that they have helped control the symptoms and slow it down but no cure.
Three nights ago I started taking the Ivermectin again, as I had been out about a month. By the third day the parasites were on a rampage exiting. At least you can clean-up a little, if you know what I mean. The best way to take it that I know of is to buy the liquid. The paste made me gag. I take 6 cc's, & I really don't know if it's too much, but I wouldn't say it's too little. I mix it with pomegranate juice which masks the taste, about 3 oz, I think, or about 2 & 1/2 " in a glass. The prescription pills, I think are way too expensive, depending on your insurance. I do this about 3 X's, 2 X's a month. The other times, I take Albendazole off, & on, and I'll probably run out soon. I take the boluses, which are the horse pills. I just bite off a third. Was getting them from Greece, & I think I got them from e-bay, but don't remember now. If you want me to just write me. They quit selling them for some reason, but may have started back up again. Non of the feed stores seem to carry the boluses. I just think they help clean out some of the garbage, but nothing made me feel better than the Ivermectin, which you get at the horse feed place, with a syringe, a big one so you don't have to draw it out twice. Suppose it's a matter of personal preference. Do you want to feel like garbage while waiting for a cure? I get off on seeing my parasites floating in the toilet, and just that mentally makes me feel better. I always take the Ivermec. during the full moon, as it is the most potent. You should be careful with it though, as one evening I believe I had mixed it with too many other things, which made me a little psychotic. I was looking for the kitchen upstairs. I was having a narcolepsy attack at the same time though. I make sure I always take Milk Thistle with them, as they are both hard on the liver. My dr. wouldn't prescribe them to me, because of that. Sorry for no paragraphs. I'm in a hurry to retire. Take care, big hug, freaky
Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass. It's about learning to dance in the rain, or rioting in the rain, if justice, truth, & the cure for Morgellons does not prevail. Remember the Boston Tea Party.We remember the reformation of the 16th century religgious movement that resulted in establishing the protestant churches. We're already dancing in the midsts of the morgellons reform movmt
What I do (how I take supplements) is, well, first off, they're cumulative. They take at least a week or two before they're really "in the system". Unlike meds, where meds/drugs work almost instantly, (supplements) need taken constantly to be beneficial.
They're (supplemental to what we eat and drink daily) the nutrients in them, since we can't eat all the vitamins in all the food groups we need daily.
But, I don't take the same ones (for long hauls).
I'll take the basic (Super B Complex with added B-12 everyday). And Vit C daily (everyday). Acidophilus (everyday) Milk Thistle (everyday)
But...as for the rest of them, like Red Clover, CoQ10, Olive Leaf, Alpha Lipoic, oh...there's many, I'll take all these types for about a month, then I switch to "another batch" of supplements and take all those - like the Bone,Flesh & Cartilage.
I rotate them all about every month to 6 weeks.
Except the B's, C's, Milk Thistle, Acidophilus (those are every day no matter what)....I never stop one a day of these. For me, these are the bare bones "foundation" that I have to have, or I'll feel dragged out/tired.
All the rest of them, are 4 weeks to 6 wks "run" I'll do with them, then switch to others for 4-6wks.
I thought some might be interested in this in the future. Ivermectin is the fermented by product of Streptomyces avermilits and is an antibiotic classified as an avermectin originally used in parasite targeting. It has paralytic affects on the target parasite by causing hyperpolarization of their CNS. It will make them quite active before becoming paralyzed.
Deep Rest: I dont get what the big deal is anyway...? Everyone is so afraid for psychiatry it seems. If You experience mental problems, wich you admit people do, why not take medications for them. no matter what the origin of these problems are
May 30, 2015 11:36:04 GMT -5
Deep Rest: You can still continue to try to heal yourself physically also at the same time.. And in the end anything involving the brain is on a physical level, we call them mental problems, but basicly it bio chemistry
May 30, 2015 11:40:50 GMT -5
Thors Hammer: You sounded a bit druged at first but we said the same thing, when you go to a doctor you are a patient, why would you go to a doctor if your not ill, this disease damages the mind, NO DOUBT ABOUT IT, if your born with it, you will struggle all your life.
May 30, 2015 13:10:54 GMT -5
Thors Hammer: Does that make you born with insane, no, it makes you compromised to brain issues, unclear thinking, slow thinking, your realize is in the toilet, this is how the disease works on the brain and also the nervous system, it destroys ability.
May 30, 2015 13:13:49 GMT -5
Thors Hammer: This is why the insane asylums were called bug houses, the people were suffering from a disease that caused itching and the doctors assumed, they were crazy because many said bugs were crawling all over them, there brains were damaged by the same disease
May 30, 2015 13:16:15 GMT -5
Thors Hammer: GET IT, I am sure you do not, as the disease has taken away your realize, so you will continue on down the road with your cow that your mother sent you to sell at market and instead you will trade the cow for some magic beans, right Jack!
May 30, 2015 13:18:07 GMT -5
Deep Rest: So why not take treatment for it? I dont understand why its such a touchy subject. It does not matter if its a result of the illness, it still could use treatment. Its a tool u can use to ur advantage
May 30, 2015 18:13:23 GMT -5
Thors Hammer: If your mind has been damaged they do have drugs for some that do help, I have seen it. I do not suggest becoming a drug addict.
May 30, 2015 20:17:47 GMT -5
Deep Rest: it depends on the mental condition id say
May 30, 2015 21:23:10 GMT -5
Deep Rest: Though you're right to say a lot of them are addictive. And often the symptoms they are ment to fight will come back twice as strong in the first weeks after u quit. thats always helpfull
May 30, 2015 21:31:12 GMT -5
Deep Rest: i was surprised to hear my psych tell that anxiety is for about 20 % determent in the intestines. So it seems they are moving in the direction of what some alternative therapies have been claiming for quite some time already
May 30, 2015 21:41:12 GMT -5
Thors Hammer: Used to be animals were usually treated with food, vitamins and minerals and people were treated with drugs, animals got better care than we do BECAUSE they do not have bank accounts to buy $100 each pills, low and behold the farmer had to make money
May 31, 2015 0:18:29 GMT -5
Deep Rest: yeah well ive flushed enough money trough the toilet myself on expensive mineral/vitamin/probiotics/we supplements that my alt doc prescribed. Im still in debt and have yet some bills to pay. And for the awsome results of fuckall because whatever i was
May 31, 2015 9:24:51 GMT -5
Deep Rest: trying to refill in my body would be running low again soon as i stopped taking sup[plements
May 31, 2015 9:26:53 GMT -5
Deep Rest: These days it seems im able to improve my health in a steady slowly upwards curve without having to pay for anything, taking medications or whatching my diet. Im eating normal sugars , normal breads and everything else that was banned in the past.
May 31, 2015 9:45:57 GMT -5
Deep Rest: Im letting the healing over to the one that know best whats going on, the body itself. Oh yes aside from these "vaseline + parafine" cremes my dermatologist prescribed to keep the skin fatty. that stuff is awsome for the skin and makes it heal way faster
May 31, 2015 9:54:18 GMT -5
Baraka Obam: The reason NOTHING WORKS we have a disease that has been mutated beyond the ability of antibiotics which caused it to mutate because of the overuse to treat STDs our soldiers got time and time again, in the third world where we murder and mutilate the poor
May 31, 2015 12:18:22 GMT -5
Baraka Obam: I am sure there is something in nature if introduced into the human body would destroy or literally eat this malfeasants out of our system, too bad we do not know what it is, this is not a lack of nutriants, its mans ignorance at work.
May 31, 2015 12:22:06 GMT -5
Raine: Toni, not sure if you read the messages here, but I read your posts and you're doing a great job. Keep up the work. Mycoplasma is a big part. That's why antibiotics are useless unless taken early. Even when taken early nothing would cure it, but it'd help.
May 31, 2015 23:34:48 GMT -5
Sun: Fknj your ideas are a little strange they keep changing, seems you have a plant growing in your head, I hope Rain and Sun do not make it worse.
Jun 1, 2015 7:43:41 GMT -5