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Post by carla on Jul 7, 2010 3:37:09 GMT -5
Toni, When I was at my worst ,believing I was infected with a self replicating nanobot that was going to eat my brain and eventually my Childrens, I wouldn't leave the house. For five years I ate nothing but GM delivered to my door by Tesco/walmart. Anyway my nose looked like that Hamsters mouth.
Did you see where it says perforated bone tissue too? Haven't we been told that is what happens to us eventually?
If you look at photos of the Farmers who grow GM crops they have few teeth and really bad skin. And there was a report a few years ago of UK farmers being prone to a mystery illness that caused sores on their hands that wouldn't heal. No doubt they were the ones growing GM crops .
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Post by toni on Jul 7, 2010 7:48:39 GMT -5
Friskers, hhaha that sounds like a lot better trade off to me too, giving up yogurt for chocolate mousse ;D Kmar, yes...I sort of look at "all the GMO'd foods" and creations (by man) not nature...as sort the general rule to life as: Nothing is gotten without something given. With all the GM'ed garbage, for longer shelf live, to grow foods in the middle of winter, to ward off pests, to have BIGGER, yeah...that's all fine and dandy for those profiting on the consumers purchasing, but "the giving is: what are we really giving in exchange for those gigantic fruits and veggies? Our health? Our lives? Because one cannot change Mother Nature and expect Mother Nature to not change us. Carla, Inside your nose, the hair got incredibly thick? Did the hair, as you said it looked like the inside of that hamsters mouth, in your nose...I'm wondering "did the hair thickening" just happen "in ONE nostril or both"? And yes, I've read that "planters of crops" and farmers end up with all kinds of sores too from the on hands exposure.
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Post by friskers on Jul 7, 2010 10:47:39 GMT -5
i have hairy nose nostrils too ,is this not normal ;D Toni , your hair growing so fast is incredible ! I even had a dream about you complaining about it last night ;D
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Post by carla on Jul 8, 2010 8:03:21 GMT -5
Kmar ,I just watched sweet misery and it frightened the life out of me .Everyone needs to watch that. We have big supermarkets starting up everywhere here.They are called Aldi and the food is suspiously cheap.Aspartame and MSG are in everything they sell, even things that don't really need to be sweet.
I've heard of the raw foods curing all sorts of cancers too.Once veg is cooked it loses some of the things needed to help our bodies take in the nutrition.. If anyone needs proof of it look at the raw food forums . People who have been told they had months tio live are now as fit as a Butchers dog. Toni ,Both nostrils and it was very thick . It had blobs of mucose on the ends when I plucked them . I'm too young to have hairy nostrils too.It has returned to normal now that I quit processed foods which is what the report said happened to the hamsters . Friski,You were my inspiration to stop eating junk. I know you have always been a bit careful what you eat and I've seen what you look like .Your beautiful and look 30 years younger than you are.
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Post by friskers on Jul 8, 2010 20:04:24 GMT -5
Carlas Im so happy i was an inspiration to you But saying I look 30 years younger than i am must be a typo or you need some glasses! ;D But thanks! How are all your kids doing? Do they all eat healthy now too?
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Post by fritolay66 on Jul 8, 2010 20:25:19 GMT -5
I sure hate to interrupt a very pleasant exchange between you Friski and Carla, so pardon the interruption.
I have been chewing on this for about a week now, and I don't get here to often any more.
GMO. We know it is capable of lateral transfer although it is denied vehemently by the "experts". Okay, so lets consider, not everyone eating this crap is getting what we refer to as morgellons. Why? And if we think about it, what back in the 1700's (??) in which they were also showing very similar symptoms to us (and thus the naming of this in the first place), but what could of been the same?
Here's a consideration. What if it is resistant bacteria. Back then it could of been new in the area, in which folks exposed to it, had no resistance and nothing they already used, whatever they used back then, could fight it. Exposure to the new bacteria with the already indigent bacteria, would then manifest those symptoms they coined back then as Morgellons.
So what about GMO's and today. We now have resistant vancomyocin bacteria. Both that which is normally found on the skin and also enteric bacteria. Add GMO's into the mix. Someone with one of these resistant bacteria are then exposing themselves to other bacteria's and viruses in which have been used in the GMO mixes. If these resistent bacteria are then capable of supplying the rest of the bacteria in which we continually expose ourself to including GMO and communicating resistance, then the sufferer will develop super infections.
So, it may not be what we are necessarily eating from GMO's but what already exists in us prior to eating them. So people with already existent infections would be more likely to develop successive and progressive disease.
I ask, how could it not? Any thoughts?
Frito
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Post by toni on Jul 9, 2010 12:25:18 GMT -5
Well...(my interpretations) are, back "when coined morgs was infecting people" they used milk to rub out the "manifestations" in the skin.
Personally I don't "feel/think" Morgs then is Morgs today. I'd read, and maybe I'm wrong, but...(today Morgellons is named as it is for a lack of what else to call it, and the entities were only similar or familar" so it was fitting as for in "that sense".
And my opinion is "if I'm understanding your question for feedback correctly"....isn't that what being "sensitive to anything" means?
What I mean is: If you are not genetically "allergic" to penicillin, and take a dose, you'd be fine - whereas I am deathly allergic to it (as my genetic makeup dictates) and it would do me in.
The body would react quite differently between us.
Yet....100 people that are "allergic to penicillin" we'd all have basically the same reactions.
That's imho, how gmo's are. One person eat it, has no effect because of the "gene makeup dictating what something can and what something can't affect".
Another eats it, and something "in common *could* then be expressed" with consistency amongst "the group" who is sensitive or allergic basically. That's just how it seems to me anyways.
Is that what you mean for the feedback on what you said?
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Post by carla on Jul 9, 2010 15:56:38 GMT -5
Frito,I agree with Toni .That the two Morgs are not connected. Whoever Mary L was she did us no favours by calling it Morgellons. I think most people already have Morgellons but only a few of us pick up on it Don't you ever see it in people around you? Everyone I talk to has some symptom. Maybe it depends on how much of a certain GM ingredient we take in that determine the state of our health. All I know for sure is that people are allowed to talk about the effects of chemtrails and Morgellons . As soon anyone connects GM food to Morgs they are shut up somehow.
Friski ,Your too modest !! My Children are all doing well except one.He is the one who refuses my 'Rabbit food' He has constantly got sore joints esp. his knees. I keep finding empty Coke Zero cans and mcdonalds wrappers in his bedroom.
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Post by toni on Jul 9, 2010 19:06:43 GMT -5
Frito,I agree with Toni .That the two Morgs are not connected. Whoever Mary L was she did us no favours by calling it Morgellons.I think most people already have Morgellons but only a few of us pick up on it Don't you ever see it in people around you? Everyone I talk to has some symptom. Maybe it depends on how much of a certain GM ingredient we take in that determine the state of our health. All I know for sure is that people are allowed to talk about the effects of chemtrails and Morgellons . As soon anyone connects GM food to Morgs they are shut up somehow. Friski ,Your too modest !! My Children are all doing well except one.He is the one who refuses my 'Rabbit food' He has constantly got sore joints esp. his knees. I keep finding empty Coke Zero cans and mcdonalds wrappers in his bedroom. Hi Carla, I hightlighted something you said, and I know we're all allowed our opinions of course, but as I was expressing above was that : I believe Mary L named it (Morgellons) because the symptoms and expressions from the skin were based on the symptoms and expressions that she saw, and what she'd learned from another occurrence that happened in the 1700's), because nothing else she could find "fit" in it's bizarre similarities. I think I'd of done the same not knowing what else to call it.
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Post by morghunter on Jul 9, 2010 20:09:42 GMT -5
Hi Toni, let me say I don't think you would have called our plague morgellons. Having read your posts over the years, your observations, experimentations and well reasoned answers it's certain you would have given our curse a more definitive handle. I feel Mary L., being a medical professional, was influenced by not wanting to risk ridicule by her colleagues, opted for a prognosis found in a dusty old medical volume. Just my opinion of course. Anyway we are stuck with what she tagged us. morghunter
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Post by toni on Jul 10, 2010 8:48:02 GMT -5
Okay just to be very specific, I went to MRF and copied how the name came about. Quote: Where did the name "Morgellons" come from? The name comes from a condition involving "black hairs" emerging from the skin of children that was documented in France in the 1600's. It is unknown whether that description is related to the illness we are now describing. However, the similarities were such that the name seemed a unique label for an illness not described by any other medical label, and thus became a much-needed niche for patients otherwise falling outside the present medical paradigm. The name "Morgellons" was intended to be used as a temporary label. morgellons.org/faq-home.htm#item2
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Post by jj on Jul 11, 2010 10:57:45 GMT -5
Hi Carla Congratulations with all your success. Have been meaning to share this link in this thread for a while. Been busy in our first garden and in the kitchen. Unfortunately this was posted a while ago and I haven't checked to see if links need updating. lymebusters.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=12103Community Supported Farming ............ is very important and so is trying to keep this approach GMO Free. There was zero response to this avenue and approach to better health. Personally, I didn't think it was because no-one was interested or any suspicious 'factor' we often hear come up for lack of involvement. I am and have been against the whole monopoly concept behind 'WALMART'. I will fight against anything else where Walmart tries to bring-in anything else currently benefiting small business and community's. To h e l l with convenience. Convenience has destroyed more than most realize. I am working my butt off (hopefully) and thank god for every morsel I put in my mouth that I know exactly what went into. Anyway ................ I have and continue to see slight improvements in public perception and understanding since Food INC., Sweet Deception., etc ........ We cannot continue to let big business mass produce and control what ends up in our bodies anymore. The more of us who get involved in promoting Community Farming the better. This is something we can do for ourselves and our offspring. Thinking we can't make a difference means our children will be faced with even more hardships. JJ
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Post by carla on Jul 11, 2010 13:10:27 GMT -5
Toni, I would have called it exactly what it is.A Fiber Disease. The last thing I would have done is search the net for some obscure letter sent in the 1600s explaining a condition which was nothing like what I was trying to name. But thats me. NOW!!What has she done for us since and where is she now? ;D Carla
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Post by carla on Jul 11, 2010 13:12:06 GMT -5
Thanks JJ .Thats probably the safest way to eat food.Grow your own. carla
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Post by morghunter on Jul 11, 2010 13:46:23 GMT -5
Hi Toni,thanks for the web page explanation. Listen up everyone if you have morgellons or not this message is deadly serious. For us in Canada the planting season has passed us but nevertheless we must all seek out heritage seeds before they disappear no matter where we live. Find them now and bury them in your freezer or hide them away somewhere they will be kept dry. Everywhere we look worldwide the crops are in trouble. Even on the prairies the crops are drowning in the fields or cannot be planted because of too much rain. The impact of oil raining down on us in the southern states isn't found in the m.s.m. yet Mr Gates is burying millions of seeds in a frozen hole in one of the Scandinavian countries. Sorry for such a scary post but it has to be emphasized, FIND SOME VIABLE SEEDS AND SQUIRREL THEM AWAY. I love you all. morghunter.
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Post by fritolay66 on Jul 11, 2010 13:59:40 GMT -5
Toni and Carla,
I have had several "oldtimers" contact me about this thread. Let me convey what I was told.
It was not Mary L. which came up with the name "Morgellons". It was actually Nancy P., in which came up with the name. It is also my understanding that at that time, she had contacted several of these "oldtimers" and had inquired what they thought of it at the time. Nancy P. is now deceased.
The next point of contention relayed to me was that Mary L. is a microbiologist not a physician or nurse.
Carla, please consider this when you would ask what she has done for us lately? As far as Mary L., I wasn't aware she owed us anything as far as "doing anything for us". As far as Nancy P. the one in which coined the name, what can she do?
And the bottom line about the name, is that it has created a specific name to a group of symptoms in which to bring sufferers together and in which to share their stories and exchange information. And in remembering the past, there was a time when that didn't exist and for which I am personally thankful for. It would seem, no matter what name they might have called it, it would be a hated name anyways, because of all the crap each of us has gone through and the continued denial by our medical profession.
Just as what was written to me, I write here.
Frito
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Post by fritolay66 on Jul 11, 2010 14:13:25 GMT -5
And as an addtional side note to add to above, no need to flood me with links stating it was Mary L. whom is credited with coining the name. I am aware of those. It is my understanding the credit was given to her in many published material.
Frito
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Post by jj on Jul 11, 2010 18:12:49 GMT -5
Ok ................. not doing the stand back, take a deep breath, count to ten or any of that. Here it comes ............
Enough is enough ................... among the old-timers who communicated with Nancy P was me and another I am VERY close to ................ among them was Mary who had a detailed discussion about this very subject that led to why this label was chosen. How many of you old-timers were there for this discussion and know exactly what took place? How many? She was included not excluded. Those who speak of this as if an act of plagiarism took place and a diseased loved one isn't here to defend herself ............... are out of line, completely and totally out of line. Nancy's discovery is not being used, abused or stolen .......... got it? Nancy P, I had just began to know and respect. This is not how I will remember her...... bless her heart.
I'm appalled this ......... this ....... what do you call this anyway? Character assasination? What ........... for what valid justifiable reason? Mary doesn't want credit for anything and that's not the way she is. No one at the MRF is that way. We don't care who finds an answer or treatment, we don't care what it ends up being called. WE JUST WANT IT GONE! Understand! Haven't y'all got something productive to do ...................... other than this?
PLEASE!
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Post by fritolay66 on Jul 11, 2010 21:58:13 GMT -5
I would like to add to JJ's post.
This is for all the new sufferers not involved in those early days.
Mary L. is a fellow "sufferer" in that she noticed and tried to find what was occuring with her young son at the time. She was one individual within a group of what I call the original members, the "oldtimers". And with great respect.
Nancy P. is to be remembered as a good soul and is also another member of the original members, I did not know her at all. Just relaying some info. for character assessment in the future in which was relayed to me. There are others as well. These members I refer to were clear back in 1995, actively seeking help from the CDC with what we identify with, Morgellons. The CDC didn't even recognize the existence until 2002?? And it was the early 90's in which there was no name yet given, no board existed, and these original members were only connected by telephone.
I am ever thankful to these original members in light of what they actually went through to even organize and name this so that we could come together now. And still trying here in 2010.
Frito
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Post by carla on Jul 14, 2010 16:23:57 GMT -5
Whoever coined the name Morgellons did us all a great service and we need to hold them in high regard forever. I won't even mention it again. I'm so sorry if I offended anyone.That weren't my intention.
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