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Post by dkushner on Oct 24, 2010 9:22:27 GMT -5
I find some things about Morgellons interesting. First of all, I have not spoken with anyone else that knows exactly how they contaced Morgellons. I absolutely know how I got it. As I mentioned in other posts, I had been healthy my whole life but had a drug problem as a teen. I had been clean and sober for eleven years and then relapsed after a lot of devestating personal problems. After I relapsed on prescription meds, I finally fell back into heroin use. After being clean so long, and now three thousand miles away from my old stomping grounds, I did not know where to get the stuff, so I went into the city streets of SF. When I bought the heroin, from a young hispanic guy that pretended to be my freind for a few weeks, He and his buddies made all kinds of jokes that I did not undersand at the time about how drugs could cause fingers to swell and your nails to corode and they went on and on. I had never heard of this before and thought he was joking or just did not know what he was talking about. After I used the tar heroin, I instantly started having all sorts of serious problems. It almost killed me. I had serve toxicity from it. It was full of bacteria, fungus and parasites. I didn't even think this was possible at the time. I had so many different types of problems and parasites I almost died. Some of these parasites were of known type, like trematode worm, the worms that cause schistosomiasis. I am still sick even after seven years. I got rid of most of the parasites after about a year, but other problems coninue. I still have Morgellons. If you look at the statistics, Morgellons infection areas in the US are primarilay in areas where hispanics cross into the US or travel to afer entering ghe US, and even areas where tar heroin is disributed in quantity, a hub site. I was deliberately poisoned with parasites and Morgellons by hispanics hat just hate gringos, and the drugs that gave me morgellons was from Mexico or south of Mexico. I was not a biggot before I got this disease, I may be now, I do not know. I choose to beleive hat I am just afraid of people that could hate me so much because I am white that they could do this to me. Yes, I injected myself with the drugs, yes, I made a big mistake, yes, it was stupid, but I still think that someone that would do this to someone is human garbage. The trematode worms that I got from he drugs were from Mexico, or south of Mexico. Morgellons statistics show unusually low infection rates among hispanics. It may be a natural immunity developed from living in he morgellons source areas over generations. Mexico, I beleive is one of the major sources of Morgellons for the US. Morgellons is only one of he infections coming to he US via illegal aliens. I do not blame these people for coming, they are trying to make the best life that they can but I do blame the sick psychopath that deliberately poisoned me with this. The bottom line for me is that the US needs to stem he flow of both the drugs and the people ha are coming here ilegally and with foreign diseases. ------------------------- SNIP from other post:
PLoS Neglected Tropical Diseases: Neglected Infections of Poverty in the United States of America
One paragraph in this article discussing migrant workers could explain a lot about what could be happening to the food supply in the US:
"Neglected infections among migrant farm workers.
Approximately 95% of the several million migrant agricultural workers in the US were born in Mexico, and almost all of them live below the poverty line [92]. They have significant health disparities, with case fatality rates more than five times the US average. In addition to very high rates of HIV, tuberculosis, and chronic diseases [92], [125]–[127], the Mexican-born migrant workers living in the US often suffer from high rates of parasitic infection, including ascariasis and hookworm infection [92], [128]–[130] (for which there is evidence of autochthonous transmission on US farms [131]), cysticercosis and Chagas disease [127],[131], and other neglected infections [92],[125]."
Thanks to today's liberal immigration policies which allow sick people to enter the US (unheard of in past migrations where immigrants were not allowed entry if sick) we can probably look forward to Chagas disease, Leprosy (reintroduced after eradication in US), tuberculosis (reintroduced in virulent antibiotic resistant forms), Malaria, Dengue fever, Cysticercosis, Leishmania mexicana (some residents of South Texas are getting this with no travel history) and Schistosomiasis as well as other difficult to treat parasites and diseases becoming permanent US parasitic and disease infections. There is a lot of important information in this article. Maybe it should be copied and brought in to all doctors so that they can see there is no way to escape parasites in today's world, where somehow the most basic ideas of disease/parasite prevention seem to have gone by the board. It makes me wonder too if Morgellons parasites could be a tropical parasitic infestation of the blood and lymph previously unknown in Western nations.
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Post by kammy on Oct 24, 2010 10:59:18 GMT -5
Hi DK, we all make bad decisions, sorry this happened to you. I don't think this 'poison the gringo' mentality is held by most of the Mexican people, I think they are innocent victims of these evil forces just like the rest of us.
If Morgellons statistics show unusually low infection rates among hispanics then how are they spreading it around the world? How does just one concentrated neighborhood in Texas get it and it's no where else around. Why are there 'hot spots' and no where else?
Of course, we don't know how these things operate, we can only speculate. Who really owns their drug cartels, who is allowing them to operate, is this group really the Mexican people or some outside interest?
Naturally, the 'needle users' are going to be a target. Most aren't able to hold legitimate jobs and pay into the system, end up ruining their health then applying for disability... they turn to stealing to support their habit, robbery, then they have to be supported in the prisons, etc. It has been said that easy drug availability was placed in the black communities to get the black men hooked on the drugs to destroy them and their culture, I believe it. It was placed in the slums and low income level places to do the same thing with poor whites and others. There hasn't been a war on drugs to keep them out of the country, there's been a war to get them in, this is all about destroying our value systems, our family units, planting hate between the races, keeping us fighting with each other while they go unhindered doing their evil work. Don't buy their gig or play into it, that's what they want - they want you to hate some race or group of people for something.
Yes, 'they' probably are putting something nasty in the street drugs, but do your homework and figure out who 'they' are before you go off in hate of a nation and race of innocent people. 'They' could be just as white as you?
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Post by dkushner on Oct 24, 2010 15:44:17 GMT -5
I don't think they are doing it. I think this one guy gave me bad stuff deliberately, knowing that it was infected with bacteria and parasites and some other crud, aka morg. I think he did it because he hates white people, or people that are supid enough to buy drugs from him. He is sick, there is no they or them. I'm just pointing out that this is where is came from in my case and that it matches with areas where people ilegally cross with drugs and other diseases. I think it's likely related. In my case it was deliberate, I do not think that this is necessarily the case in general.
There may be a GMO connection. Maybe they, he growers, were using pesicides on the crops or fertilizer that caused this. Probably not deliberately, hey just don't know or really care. Maybe it gets in the soil. I do not know, I only know how I got Morgellons and where it came from in my case. - D
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Post by dkushner on Oct 24, 2010 15:50:56 GMT -5
Also, I do not hate anyone. I live in San Jose, CA. The area is filled with gangs. I'm almost fifty. I've never been to prision. The last fight I had was when I was fifteen and I lost. I was an engineer for almost fifteen years before morgellons made it impossible for me to work. I'm not on disability. I have been living off my retirement for the last seven years, which is gone now. I don't hate mexicans. My son is mixed race, my ex-wife is asian, my best freind is gay.
The young people where I live, hispanic, white and black are into gangs. The mentality that these young people is that of the jails. They look and act the part. They look up to the convicts and DO SELL DRUGS FOR THEM, because they do not have a record yet and the courts will let them walk. Then they can tell their homies that they are hangin with he big boys - the mexican mafia, or whaever. The mindset is look for vulnerability and take advantage of it. I don't think that way at all. I don't hate them, I'm afraid of them. I'm not out there poisoning anyone. he fact is, for me anyway, is that while I was clean, the drug scenene changed. Its about money and handled by gangs. It didn't used to be like that. Either way, I do hate drugs, they are horrible. I don't WANT to use, I have a problem, but I am working on it.
I am working now finally, when I drive to work, I get hateful looks every day, mostly from the hispanics in the area. Where I live is very heavy hispanic population. I think. I actually beleive that most of the hispanics here HATE whites. I do not hate them, but I personally did nothing to deserve this other than make the mistake of making myself vulnerable.
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Post by kammy on Oct 25, 2010 7:17:42 GMT -5
Well, good, Dk... good that you don't hate the entire country of Mexico just because there's a few bad apples around you. We've got to realize that we're stupid pawns (myself included) in their games. They plant hate in every group of people, give one side's foundations money to fund their development and then fund the other side's... then they naturally find each other and hate abounds on a grander scale. I don't agree with how the Government has monitored the borders, they could have done better - if they wanted to. So, that means that they don't really care if the U.S. is infiltrated by our Southern neighbors... WHY would that be? I know, do you? If it's true that most of the hispanics there hate the whites, then I believe you have good reasons to say so and you're probably right. And... if we ask ourselves, how and why did it get to be that way? The answer is...______ and how is this prejudice different than the way other opposing groups have treated each other in the past? The not-so-smart people will not see that they are just players in a hate game to promote the devil's stirrings, they are products of their environment and don't know much different. They are ignorant (not knowing) and will probably always remain so. I hear that you are afraid of your surroundings and that you're trying to lift yourself up out of it and it must feel good to have a new job and earning income? Honestly, if I were in your position, I'd look for somewhere else to move to and I know this isn't easy to do. Sorry, probably a bad thing to suggest. I saw a youtube once on how cocaine is made. I swear I remember that they use gasoline (petrol in some form) in the making process. Things are only going to get worse as the environment gets worse. The leaves of the smoking herb are going to become more contaminated - not to mention the tobacco. Every so often we're hearing about various products and drugs that are being recalled because of contaminates, it's like Russian Roulette these days, so - if you can - stay away from anything that we already know is risky. This morg stuff is appearing to eat the white people up and not so much the other groups, we're probably more vulnerable - so, we have to take extra precautions and get smarter. I read in today's news where there's truckloads of cash money going across the border from the U.S. to Mexico... you think the white boys don't have their hands in that pie? Ha! And, sure enough, this article says, 'it's getting worse'... be careful DK. www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39812764/ns/world_news-americas/
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Post by Baraka Obam on Oct 25, 2010 9:50:40 GMT -5
Here is the TRUTH about border protection,
I know a border gaurd, the policy just a little while ago was catch the ones that sneak over the border, detain them, ask them if they have a destination address and what it was,
Then and only then, lol THEY WOULD GIVE THEM A COURT DATE FOR THEIR APPERANCE FOR A DEPORTATION HEARING.
WHAT KIND OF BORDER GAURDING IS THAT, EVEN THE BORDER GAURDS ARE MADDER THAN HELL ABOUT IT, WHAT USE IS THEIR JOB, WHY NOT JUST PUT THEM ON A BUS AT THE BORDER AND DELIVER THEM TO THEIR NEW HOME.
In fact why not just bring them to the bank where they can get a loan without a social security number, WHAT!!!! How can that be, get a bank loan with no real identification.
One more thing, because MUSLIMS do not believe in buying insurance as it is a form of gambling, hmmmm, OBAMA has written into the health care bill that the MUSLIMS get free health care, as will the lazy do nothings of the country,
A question, if MUSLIMS do not belive in insurance THEN, they should not be able to buy life insurance, home insurance, car insurance or pay any social security, hmmmmm,
I think they will buy all the insurance that pays off and not pay for the insurance that they can get paid for free.
It is not people that are bad, it is a government with a agenda that creates hatred.
In China they have a bit of hate mongering going on about the Japanese because of WW2, aren't all the people that were in WW2 almost all dead.
Who do you hate their children?
Hate is a passion, it takes too much time, renders no positive results and takes every moment of your time.
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Post by ibzahp on Oct 25, 2010 16:26:49 GMT -5
Baraka I sure don't know who you are talking about when you say "lazy do nothings" will get free healthcare. I don't see people living in poverty as being lazy do nothings, nor do I see children and young people as lazy , do nothings. I am not crazy about requiring] people to pay for insurance. (though I recieve medicare because I am disabled so does that make me a lazy do nothing?). My only complaint about the healthcare bill is that it didnt give most citizens free healthcare and it bended over backwards to kiss the insurance companies. Thats been my dissapointment w/Obama-he has been too conservative for my liking. I have a feeling the next president coming into office will be a lot worse. At least we still live in a country where we can air our differences. Namaste, ibzahp
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Post by ibzahp on Oct 25, 2010 17:01:41 GMT -5
I absolutely agree that hate is something that poisens the soul and imho is born of fear. I do believe many of the hard drugs in the U.S. are poisoned to get rid of the poor and fringe of society.
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Post by Baraka Obam on Oct 25, 2010 22:53:09 GMT -5
I think they should take all the lazy do nothings and put them right in the poor house, yupper.
In the poor house you had to get up in the morning and work at somthing, I am sure even the handicaped could do somthing, like inventory, like clean all the silverware, like do COMPUTER WORK.
Others can watch the children, do laundry, cook food, grow food, tend the animals, milk the cows.
WOULD I LIVE IN THE POOR HOUSE, DAM RIGHT I WOULD IF I WAS DOWN AND BE AWFUL GLAD IT WAS THERE FOR ME.
The way it is now generations are having babies so they will not have to work for life, SCREW THAT!!!!
Send them to the poor house, make them work hard like I have all my life, teach them a trade while your at it, but don't make being a lazy good for nothing professional lowlife SCUM a business!
If you do not want to get out of the poor house you can stay there untill you die, unless you don't work, then its out in the street to die, sorry, PEOPLE THAT WORK DO NOT OWE YOU A LIVING.
There was never a time in my life that I wanted to be poor, but I was, so don't give me that liberal bull about being poor.
People will have bad years, yes they will, people will get sick, physicley and mentally but you see many here have fought their way back up.
I have seen women with children ON THE MORGELLONS SITES terrified of what has happened to them and their children, they get back up and do way more than their part, SICK, TIRED, POOR AND STILL THEY GO ON.
Socialism is for people that have no drive to create, socialism is for lazy do nothings.
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Post by Jill on Oct 26, 2010 7:26:41 GMT -5
So sorry to read about your experience DK! Life is so hard without hateful people, such as the man you describe, performing such an evil act. A few months back, I saw a program on TV about the gangs in your area and it was chilling! I'm so sorry that you have to live like that. I agree with you as to the source- being drugs. Years ago, I read where the crops in S America (MJ etc) were sprayed with Fusarium oxysporum which can cause life threatening infections in humans according to the info here: www.sunshine-project.org/agentgreen/qanda.html more here: www.sunshine-project.org/publications/bk/bk4en.html Agree also about the situation with the borders too. Seems that they are having a real problem with the politics as relates to the application of common sense not to mention the law as relates to illegals crossing the borders. Today, the wife of David Hartley was on TV again: www.foxnews.com/us/2010/10/24/wife-man-missing-border-lake-wants-obama-mexican-cartels/ Wife of Man Missing on Border Lake Wants Obama to Take On Mexican Cartels She was asking for President Obama to take on the drug cartels, saying that the incident was a turning point. I agree and I hope that President Obama WILL do something and quick. Widow of man killed by Mexican pirates says Obama should 'wake up and look at what's going on in our backyard'[/color] The situation in Mexico is smoldering, according to other news on TV today, and about to blow up. That an investigator was beheaded while looking into the murder of David Hartley only serves to confirm what his widow has stated- that the situation in Mexico is bad and only going to get worse. www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2010/10/12/2010-10-12_investigator_in_mexico_pirates_attack_case_at_falcon_lake_killed_beheaded_accord.html Investigator in Falcon Lake 'Mexico pirates' attack is beheaded: source tinyurl.com/26xdapd As to illegals in general, I feel very strongly that all levels of government should do their jobs. The problem is out of control. Jill
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Post by ibzahp on Oct 26, 2010 12:32:13 GMT -5
Well baraka while I like and respect you as a person, we are miles and miles apart in ideology and politics. Fraid never the twain shall meet.
I paid into disability while i was working and thats why it is their for me.(SSDA) Other people so disabled they cannot work deserve a safety net of some kind. Thats why GAU and SSI are there for them (a very small percent of the population). The kind of money they recieveis barely enough to scrape by. Also the SSDA program allows people to do a certain amount of work. (I have a part time job I do from home). I would like to see medicare provided to a larger segmant of our population.
I also think that unemployment benefits should be provided to people especially in places where employment is scarce as it is becoming all over our great country. I sure as heck don't think we should all move to the poorhouse!!!
I do agree that it is ridiculous to ask people at the border of their new home address and if not provided then let them into the U.S. That is just plain wrong.!
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Post by ibzahp on Oct 26, 2010 12:41:03 GMT -5
It does seem as though at least one source of this pathogen is drug related.
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Post by kammy on Oct 26, 2010 15:05:18 GMT -5
What makes you say that, Inez, please share what your thinking? I know some people who have never done any 'street' drugs that have Morgellons. Which drug would that be then?
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Post by ibzahp on Oct 26, 2010 20:42:41 GMT -5
Before I was ever sick or knew anything about Morgellons I knew a women who did hard drugs (cocaine, heroin NYC). She said she had fibers coming out of her skin and she showed me her fibers coming out of skin on her face. Her dermatologist had diagnosed it as something but not Morgellons. She said that she thought she got contaminated coke. Could be a coincidence but I don't think so.
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Post by ibzahp on Oct 26, 2010 20:53:51 GMT -5
Also Kammy I am not alleging that all of us got Morgellons from street or any other drugs. I believe I got Morgellons from a moldy basement that had sewage and water damage.But I do think street drugs are one probable source.
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Post by kammy on Oct 28, 2010 11:00:24 GMT -5
Yeah, I wouldn't doubt it, Inez. Interestingly, Jeany mentioned that a lot things happened around the time she became evident, one of the things she mentioned was that her bathroom backed up into the house from a pipe that was not installed/vented properly. The water/sewage damage then lead to a mold problem. (I was around some mold in Florida... sewage water? - I don't know, I guess it's possible - I was walking around barefoot in Disney's water park... )
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Post by Baraka Obam on Oct 29, 2010 11:50:45 GMT -5
DRUGS and DRUG ADDICTS, how can anyone be so blind to suggest a disease comes from the DRUG, that is almost laughable.
Does anyone here imagine that the drug culture is usually not manned by rocket scientists.
Their disease come PRIMARILY from using needles that are used by others and all of them have sex with other drug addicts.
Drug addicts most often have an addiction, the addiction is the need to feel that everything is wonderful without doing the work that is nessarry to make life wonderful.
Here we are back again to lazy, lack of drive, greedy neccessity to be happy all the time, a penchant for blaming others for their failure and a lack of confidence in ones self.
It is a shame, most of these self indulgent people will never rise above the fact that they were raised without the proper guidence, o yes they had a good home, EVERYTHING their parents could provide the child, really, there is more that is needed than possessions.
When this kind of child usually turns 18 he/she will be the first to proclaim to all the world, you can no longer rule my world I am 18, sorry to say, this proclamation of FREEDOM from being coddeled is the last great thing the spoiled drug user/ future drug addict can aspire to, in a year they are 19 but no longer proclaim their age as a benchmark, now they blame the last year of their life on everyone but themselves.
Is it sad, YES, but who has the blame when they see their life going all wrong and they do not sit down with pen and paper and write down what their needs are and how to aquire them so they can build a life for themselves.
IBZAHP your assumtion that I could possible imagine that people that work for their entitlements and are in need of them should not receive help is ridiculas.
If you will read my responce again to MORE SOCIAL SERVICE you will see I say LAZY PEOPLE, how do entitled workers that are ill turn into LAZY PEOPLE.
I do not know how you could have misunderstood this.
If you are lazy, and cheating the system you will know that you are part of the problem and not part of the answer.
I do not imagine so many of the Morgellons people are this sort as they have a multitude of issues they face daily along with brain fog, advancing nervous system conditions, fatigue and depression and shame if they are looking like they have leprocy.
You could not possibly imagine that we are different in thinking UNLESS you imagine that your entitlements from your hard working days belongs to some foreigner that has never paid a dime of social security and is scaming the people of the USA or some other form of LAZY no good stinking scum that thinks the world owes them a living.
As for the poor house and your not wanting to live there, well, I am sad to say, the poor house with its communal living and focus on all for one and one for all, would be a wonderful place to live for the poor people that need a leg up that want to work and STRIVE for better living conditions.
I would not have a problem, milking the cows, feeding the animals, growing the crops, plowing the field, picking the crops or any other job on a self sufficiant communal living situation.
The real problem, the lazy good for nothing would not see this as a gift, they would see it as enslavement because they are so used to getting everything for free from the workers of this world.
Oh yeah, imagine the good farm raised fresh food and free range animals. I only have one problem with this,
I would have a hard time chopping up old Betsy the cow i talked with everyday, somebody else is gonna have to do that.
Suck hounds, they suck!!!
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Post by dkushner on Oct 29, 2010 22:07:22 GMT -5
You don't know what you are talking about, especially abou addiction. You make a lot of generalizations. They usually, etc, etc. What I wrote is simply a fact. The fact that you do not beleive it does not change the fact that its a fact. Just like a doctor that beleives we are not sufferening does not change the fact that we are.
It was the heroin from Mexico. It was deliberate. It happened immediately after using it and later with what I did not use, fibers grew all over the stuff. I never shared needles - thinking I was safe. The guys that gave it to me made it clear that it was deliberate after the fact and me being a stupid whie guy in tech, not from the street, then all ten of them - in their gang, I couldn't do anyhing about it even if I wanted to. The fact is ... that I do not belong in hat neighborhood and should never have been there at all.
You are probably one of he people that chooses to blame all white people for your problems. I admit that black people in this country have been screwed by white people for a very long time and I for one beleive hat it is horrible but I live in a prodominanly hispanic area and they hate whie people. I don't get tha feeling when I'm in black areas or with black people, not nearly to the same extent, or when I'm among asians and indians. In my job I am a minority and I don't feel hated. I only feel that way in the hispanic areas, like where I live. They hate us and are jelous and want to blame all of us for all of their problems. IMO.
BTW, I am far from the only person that has morg from tar heroin. There are many others. I have seen some on the internet and met some on the streets in the TL in SF where this is epidemic. That is where one of our only doctor advocates works and tha why.
You know, deep down, I really do not hate them. I am very angry and it's hard to blame myself even though it is my fault. I just could not imagine that someone could deliberately be so cruel or hate me tha much without even really knowing me. well, I got a wake up call. I know in my heart that there are good people and bad people of every race. Like I said, look at how black have been treated in this country - it's disgraceful, but blaming me for that and poisoning me because of pure hate is just sick and psychopathic. I really do not belong in the drug culture at my age. Addiction is very painful and difficult. It's not wanting to feel wonderful without earning it - it's not wanting to feel at all after a lifetime of overwhelming feelings, i.e, child abuse, violence, or any number of other life struggles hat life sometimes puts in front of and sometimes it's before you have even had a chance to grow up. It's a survival tactic that will turn on the addict from best freind to biggest enemy. My last several years of drug use were not fun at all.
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Post by Baraka Obam on Oct 29, 2010 23:49:58 GMT -5
What makes you think you are the only person here with problems, stop crying about days gone by and do somthing about the future.
Life is hard, harder on some than others, but like a babys first step, so you must take this step.
Stop blaming a bad child hood and abuse, nobody is abusing you NOW, what happens from now on is YOUR fault and nobody elses.
What steps are you taking to get away from self abuse (DRUGS) and negative thinking?
What are your plans to get yourself out of the pit?
You have a job, thats alot more than many of the people here have or can even funtion at, then you do know there are people that are worse off and they work and keep a family going.
I had to rent a car the other day, the man was in a perfect fitting suit, everything was perfect, but the young nice looking fellow was covered with sores .
I am sure that this young man does not want to go out of his home but most likely its work or live outside.
Right now I am blessed, but believe me, you do not want to swap pitty party stories with me,
How bad is your morgellons?
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Post by kammy on Oct 30, 2010 3:49:41 GMT -5
I just saw an article about how heroin use is on the rise in the suburbs... I don't know why that wouldn't apply to the inner cities too? abcnews.go.com/WN/heroin-suburbs-rise/story?id=10230269"The explosion of heroin in suburban America isn't by accident. Rather, it is the plan of drug lords from Mexico and Columbia, who strategically market the drug to middle America with new, sophisticated techniques." 'They' are using many, many techniques to tear America down, to disintegrate our way of life, the family, our value systems and religions. I think they are doing one fine job. Sometimes we find ourselves in certain situations in life where... there 'it' is... whatever 'it' is for you... easy access to drugs, everyone around you doing them and you being offered, a prostitute soliciting you for money, sleeping with someone because you can, etc. and we all make bad decisions from time to time. Yes, it would be very easy for me to lace anything with the particles from my ear, easily crushed up and put into a powder... I agree with DK that this is criminal and cannot phantom someone doing this to bring this horrific disease to 'innocents' who have made a temporary bad decision. Yes, I believe something along this line could be done and possibly is being done in some places, as DK indicates. Or, it's possible that the drugs could even be laced before they reach the distributor. Even though I don't condone doing street drugs, I think those that choose to do them have a right to a 'clean' product - one that is not intentionally laced with malicious pathogens for the purpose of hate or destroying someone in most ways for the rest of their life for whatever reason.
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