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Post by skizit on Mar 10, 2011 1:04:29 GMT -5
In looking at somatic embryogenesis in cotton, the flowers may be tulip-shaped or trumpet-shaped. dev.biologists.org/content/124/10/2049.full.pdfToni, take a look at this and tell me what you think. I think you are right about the spikes more likely being the embryo of some transgenic plant. Regeneration is an essential step for recovery of transgenic plants following gene transfer [with agrobacterium]. Here's where the synthetases come in again. They can be used to arrest development of the embryos which explains their development to the embryo stage but nothing beyond that at the point where they present at the surface of the skin. Inactivation of a Glycyl-tRNA Synthetase Leads to an Arrest in Plant Embryo Development www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC144065/pdf/101277.pdf
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Post by kammy on Mar 10, 2011 10:17:35 GMT -5
Hi Toni - I'm just now seeing this thread, great work - as always. I just wanted to comment that in the beginning of my Morgellons outbreak, the stuff coming out of my scalp had 'dart-like' pieces that I posted as looking like the spikes that they used to use to put together railroad ties. Here's a stock photo of what railroad tie spikes look like: I found several of these in my environment during my initial outbreak and I think I saved some? When I get my microscope out next, I will look to see if I can find one, even though they are visible with the naked eye. At one time, several other Morgies had posted photos of theirs - that was a couple of years ago, I don't know if their photos are still out there or what they called them? (I think maybe posted on curezone?)
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Post by toni on Mar 10, 2011 12:00:06 GMT -5
In looking at somatic embryogenesis in cotton, the flowers may be tulip-shaped or trumpet-shaped. dev.biologists.org/content/124/10/2049.full.pdfToni, take a look at this and tell me what you think. I think you are right about the spikes more likely being the embryo of some transgenic plant. Regeneration is an essential step for recovery of transgenic plants following gene transfer [with agrobacterium]. Here's where the synthetases come in again. They can be used to arrest development of the embryos which explains their development to the embryo stage but nothing beyond that at the point where they present at the surface of the skin. Inactivation of a Glycyl-tRNA Synthetase Leads to an Arrest in Plant Embryo Development www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC144065/pdf/101277.pdf YES-EXACTLY THATWhich is why as "out there as it sounds" I fully 100% believe we are growing "plant" in us. I believe there's an "expression" of genetically engineered "implementations" gone awry. Galls (crown galls) possibly...because that IS what happens when "Agrobacterium" goes "haywire" or attacks cells abnormally or abundantly. There is something "within us" causing the two (when they meet) the human broken or fragmented DNA which we have in our guts, "adjoins" - not in everyone, but many, and then we have these (mutations) or "growths" begin. ((( the spikes or darts are PLANT growing))) imho.
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Post by toni on Mar 10, 2011 12:03:25 GMT -5
PS...
Somatic embryogenisis of "plants" looks very much the same in all the "plant species".
There may be "slight variations" but not much at all.
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Post by toni on Mar 10, 2011 12:06:02 GMT -5
Hi Toni - I'm just now seeing this thread, great work - as always. I just wanted to comment that in the beginning of my Morgellons outbreak, the stuff coming out of my scalp had 'dart-like' pieces that I posted as looking like the spikes that they used to use to put together railroad ties. Here's a stock photo of what railroad tie spikes look like: I found several of these in my environment during my initial outbreak and I think I saved some? When I get my microscope out next, I will look to see if I can find one, even though they are visible with the naked eye. At one time, several other Morgies had posted photos of theirs - that was a couple of years ago, I don't know if their photos are still out there or what they called them? (I think maybe posted on curezone?) Kammy, Possibly the ones that came out, came out no differently than how a splinter is pushed out, and they dried up as they were unable to "thrive" for whatever reason, but it's good they weren't. Do you remember in the beginning when you had these coming out of your scalp, what you were using at that time? I'm reading your post over again, now 'I don't know the size of your "speicmens" Kammy that you were finding in your environment, because "SE's" are very small. Imho, which means nothing...really, but I believe all the "shedding" we've had "in cycles" is simply due to our body trying to kick some of this abnormal stuff out".
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Post by toni on Mar 10, 2011 12:07:34 GMT -5
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Post by toni on Mar 10, 2011 13:23:17 GMT -5
Here's more and as bizarre as it sounds...well I don't think it is anymore, because I know what I feel *in my face that is* and see: From link: Figure 7. Developmental growth of excised embryos. Carrot embryos excised from seeds imbibed for 6 h, 18 h, 24 h and 36 h, respectively. The photographs were taken before and after 3 d incubation in water at 25 �C. Now look at this as I've "arrowed what I'm talking about". I AM growing these in my lesion. Maybe not this exact species, but "they're somatic embryos", and they're all similar. Call me nuts, but I know what I see and feel. I can feel the movements...and I see no critters, yet, I am ABUNDANT in my deep tissue (subQ) with these things. See how quickly they grow? Okay after seeing those, here's one from YESTERDAY that I yanked out of the subQ, and it's only less than a few minutes old (out of my skin) that is. I immediately put it on the slide, put water on it, and tried like the dickens to rip it apart with two needles. It's as tough as grissle "cellulose" and won't rip apart. Here's mine: tinypic.com/player.php?v=2qvwgnb&s=7Link from Oregon State: www.bing.com/images/search?q=embryogenesis+stages+of+seeds+pictures&view=detail&id=CEAEBA3B4601490E38F4A9770B1AD687D106B850&first=31&FORM=IDFRIR
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Post by kammy on Mar 10, 2011 14:13:24 GMT -5
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Post by kammy on Mar 10, 2011 14:59:57 GMT -5
What I was referring to above was in a dried form, something that had already left the body (through my scalp!)...
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Post by kammy on Mar 10, 2011 15:09:27 GMT -5
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Post by Lynn on Mar 10, 2011 17:20:00 GMT -5
Hi Toni
I am soo sorry this stuff is growing on you. Wish there was a way of knowing how it gets into your system to work it way there. So many ways I can think of for this to happen to you. I wonder if fallowing a protocal to destroy the Bio-film will take away the componants that these things need to grow and then maybe just the seeds or DNA of whare it started will be left to expell from the body without a change to grow into the next stages. There is some web forum that has a drink that kill the Bio-bilm from the inside. That is one of the things I am going to do also for me though I rarely have any bio-film problems surface on the outer body.
I will pray for you. I stoped to pray for you and others. IN Light Lynn
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Post by toni on Mar 10, 2011 22:04:55 GMT -5
Hi Toni I am soo sorry this stuff is growing on you. Wish there was a way of knowing how it gets into your system to work it way there. So many ways I can think of for this to happen to you. I wonder if fallowing a protocal to destroy the Bio-film will take away the componants that these things need to grow and then maybe just the seeds or DNA of whare it started will be left to expell from the body without a change to grow into the next stages. There is some web forum that has a drink that kill the Bio-bilm from the inside. That is one of the things I am going to do also for me though I rarely have any bio-film problems surface on the outer body. I will pray for you. I stoped to pray for you and others. IN Light Lynn Thank you Lynn
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Post by toni on Mar 10, 2011 22:11:14 GMT -5
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Post by toni on Mar 10, 2011 22:44:10 GMT -5
Please see this specimen (from yesterday also). tinypic.com/player.php?v=x3u9t2&s=7Notice the "dangly thing on the bottom that is part of this specimen". Then look again please at number 8 in this picture. See how weird this is?
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Post by skizit on Mar 11, 2011 0:58:18 GMT -5
Hi Toni, the bottom row is the somatic row, the rop row is regular zygote. Do you think the zygote form of plants is also present. I had been just thinking of the somatic variety. Its harder to tell from the picture but I'm sure the dangly thing is there. I don't know if anyone has mentioned the dessication step in the making of these synthetic seeds. Removing the water is done so that the embryos can be stored. It is probably this dessicated form that is either carried by the air or perhaps encapsulated. Also, it is not only plants that are micropropagated this way, woody and coniferous trees also. I think the contents of the embryo would depend on which kind of tree it is. Take a look at the similarity of this strange bundle and the growing seeds. I have wondered if there are fibers placed in the growing embryos or perhaps in the encapsulated form. There may be no connection but I thought I would run it past you guys. This may just be two bundles of fiber, one on top of the other.
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Post by toni on Mar 11, 2011 9:58:10 GMT -5
See the "tail at the bottom of my specimen from my face"? It's just like number 8. And yes Skizit, (about the zygote) stage. Be back with side by sides.
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Post by toni on Mar 11, 2011 10:10:17 GMT -5
From the zygotes and the somatic's above from the article, here is mine "with the same type tail" as the zygote stage. Something maybe I haven't mentioned, but these aren't "freely" in my skin/lesion - they are "growing" as when I yank them out with tweezers, there is a loud "snap" sound because they are breaking free from their growths. The "tail" on mine (just as the somatic embryo's of a seed) is growing in the zygotic stage, is part of this specimen. I know "this doesn't make sense about HOW can this be"? But....I'm here to say, it is.
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Post by toni on Mar 11, 2011 10:23:37 GMT -5
Hi Toni, the bottom row is the somatic row, the rop row is regular zygote. Do you think the zygote form of plants is also present. I had been just thinking of the somatic variety. Its harder to tell from the picture but I'm sure the dangly thing is there. I don't know if anyone has mentioned the dessication step in the making of these synthetic seeds. Removing the water is done so that the embryos can be stored. It is probably this dessicated form that is either carried by the air or perhaps encapsulated. Also, it is not only plants that are micropropagated this way, woody and coniferous trees also. I think the contents of the embryo would depend on which kind of tree it is. Take a look at the similarity of this strange bundle and the growing seeds. I have wondered if there are fibers placed in the growing embryos or perhaps in the encapsulated form. There may be no connection but I thought I would run it past you guys. This may just be two bundles of fiber, one on top of the other. Hi Skizit, I wanted to try and answer what you've asked. Do I think the zygote form of the plant is present - yes. And I'm sorry, I don't know what you mean about it (being carried by the air). Do you mean, that you're wondering if these are "free floating" like they may have "just gotten deep inside the tissue"? If that's what you're asking, "actually these aren't free floating" as they're "actually growing" and must be "plucked with force". And that pink bundle, I'm sorry, I just don't know what to say about that, as it's difficult to tell if it's just fibers, or something covered with fibers.
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Post by bannanny on Mar 11, 2011 11:16:04 GMT -5
Great thread guys... altho my brain just isn't computing anything it seems! I think I'm still on island time, duh! Anyhoo, your pics reminded me of how hard that thing was I got out of my hair that time, remember this toni? Then there was the one that looks just like a chicken's head that came out of my hand (I think)... But after awhile, it started to change in color and shrivel up a bit (WITHOUT my doing anything at all to it)... But to really show how these things can change in form once they're removed, take a look at these pics taken in sequence of a tiny little hard (almost invisible) spec I removed from my head. Under bottom lighting, you could barely see it... But when I switched to top lighting, all kinds of things became visible! It started to morph (or whatever you wanna call it)... ...and ended up also forming one of those hard ball looking things with a stem just like yours. But it all formed from that one initial little spec! Anyhoo, just throwing in some of my specimens here that I think compare to yours and to see if you think these things actually do form from our little specs! The thing about mine tho is this... I ALWAYS put my specimens (or pulled them out with) tape. But even so, this stuff did whatever it wanted to do while trapped on it. So that right there proves to me this stuff is pretty dam near invincible!! I sure would love to see you take a razor blade to that thing under the scope tho toni... just to see if it re-attaches or whatever! love ya's ~~ bannanny
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Post by toni on Mar 11, 2011 11:53:31 GMT -5
Thank you Bannanny.
Yes, your "dart/thorn" thing "I believe" is the same, just a bit varied in the stage in which is came out, or was removed.
Nothing kills them as they are 'by nature' very durable... because they normally would be trying to survive in the environment, imho.
I know I might be the only one "so far" on planet Earth that thinks these are "plant embryos" growing in myself, but...I can't help what I see and feel and using all comparisons I can find, it keeps screaming to me (this is plant material) growing...which is why I can't kill it either. Anti fungals just don't have the "elbow grease" to do it.
And for all I know "IF" this is a big IF....but just thoughts is all, that "if" I'm reinfecting myself, as "who knows if we are or not"... then how can it ever leave our body. What if....for instance: Tomatoes are the culprit. Not all tomatoes, but some tomatoes grown in a certain area or a particular batch (acres) of them, are just more "expressive" in their genes or something which would cause them to have the capacity to develop in the human body (for instance). Say the cells in the body are receptive "because the tomatoes expressing" improper "whatevers" are just enough to bond with my cells, and then the weakest part of my body ....they then take hold and grow?
(those are just the odd ball thoughts I'm having) so I'm just sharing, cause I don't know.
These "specimens" are sooooo tiny, as I know in the pics or video's they seem or are hard to imagine in real life the size. I guess the size of a granule of salt would be a good comparison.
I'll put some granules of salt on the slide next to one of them, to see myself too, cause I don't know really except they're tiny.
I can try to cut one with a razor, but the blade itself (the thickness) is probably close to the size of these specimens.
I'll leave it on a slide (as you suggested) and see what it does.
Let me ask you Bannanny - should I just leave it on a dry slide? Or should I keep it moist with say a few drops of water, and saran around it to ensure the moisture keeps in and the specimen keeps wet after I cut it (if I can cut it).
And yes, I believe the "specks".....are some stage of propagation.
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