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Post by Harry on Jun 8, 2011 14:45:20 GMT -5
What do you folk's think if a person was contemplating taking Horse wormers, would they help or would they hurt more then help??
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Post by sheredelight on Jun 8, 2011 15:30:35 GMT -5
What do you folk's think if a person was contemplating taking Horse wormers, would they help or would they hurt more then help?? Hi Harry, i was very scared to try them, but since i have it's helped alot, the creeping sensation on my head and around my temples, has stoped, and the twitching as well, so yes, it helped. I have had no adverse reactions, but i checked it out first. And i feel worms have alot to do with M's. I will PM you with if you like about which ones i have used, if you like. Cheers hun Kas
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Post by Harry on Jun 8, 2011 16:23:32 GMT -5
What do you folk's think if a person was contemplating taking Horse wormers, would they help or would they hurt more then help?? Hi Harry, i was very scared to try them, but since i have it's helped alot, the creeping sensation on my head and around my temples, has stoped, and the twitching as well, so yes, it helped. I have had no adverse reactions, but i checked it out first. And i feel worms have alot to do with M's. I will PM you with if you like about which ones i have used, if you like. Cheers hun Kas >>your right about that Shere, I have the same symptoms you just mention thank you, so how are you doing now, have you tried it more then once?? hugs Harry
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Post by sheredelight on Jun 8, 2011 16:56:49 GMT -5
I'm ,you know, as OK i as i can be under the circumstances, like everyone here, it's a struggle....Thanks for asking... The Hores Wormer i use has ,Ivermectin and Praziquantel in it, and called Equimax LV, and i took half an inch for 5 days, maintance is once a week or how u feel. I don't want to say what i weigh...omg Oh and it taste terrible, and your supposed to have a fatty meal first, then have it. Hope your feeling better soon....cheers hun
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Post by Harry on Jun 8, 2011 21:34:00 GMT -5
I'm ,you know, as OK i as i can be under the circumstances, like everyone here, it's a struggle....Thanks for asking... The Hores Wormer i use has ,Ivermectin and Praziquantel in it, and called Equimax LV, and i took half an inch for 5 days, maintance is once a week or how u feel. I don't want to say what i weigh...omg Oh and it taste terrible, and your supposed to have a fatty meal first, then have it. Hope your feeling better soon....cheers hun yes surely shere so from what your saying it didn't totally help??, I don't care about the taste for sure Equimax LV huh, interesting so you still having some not so good day's then??,. well then!, I wish you well shere, hope things get better for all of us, I'm hoping people can come together in the morgellons community to make a Difference. Hugs Harry
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Post by sheredelight on Jun 8, 2011 22:18:18 GMT -5
Hi Harry, The wormer stops the creeping feeling, and the head movement, that use to drive me nuts, the worst feeling. My concentration is still bad, and chronic fatigue, and my chest looks like ant's have been building underground roads, and that's itchy and legs and back. So maybe i'm doing some things right, just not all, as this is Multi-faciated. When i first came to this site early last year, i received a PM, on what to use, which was very helpfull, when i read about the horse wormer, i was like ,no way. But its taken me over 12 months to take the horse wormer, i just trust, M's people, whom have done their research and have tried it also. And as you go through the process of M's, with very little help from doctors, we have to help ourselves, and i do post all the pill's and potions i have tried on here, wow, their is so many. And i still take handfulls of herbal tablets, don"t shake me i rattle.... So now i'm back on the Lyme trail, so if i need antibiotics, they can at least give them to me. Because online they cost an arm and a leg. Top of the world to you Harry, hope your feeling better real soon, hugs back to ya matie...
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Post by ibzahp on Jun 8, 2011 23:00:33 GMT -5
Wow i maybe going that horse wormer route soon as i can't afford the lyme doctors.At least there are a few within an hour or so of me. I have to confess I was doing better on the combos of antibiotics,antivirals ,herbs and diet. Lately though I have returned to the wheat and sugar which make my skin crawl. So I think i may give this equiv a shot. The taste sounds like a trial tho. So great to hear from you Harry and sharedelight.Thinking happy lazy thoughts of a hammock on a tropical island for morgies only:) Also doing some charcol in the evening which may help clean stuff out of the system as long as its taken a couple of hours after anything else. Sorry to be so chatty. Just been feeling expressive lately. Do you think the CDC will get back to us anytime soon? It would be so sweet to have better treatment options.
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Post by skylark99 on Jun 9, 2011 8:31:31 GMT -5
Well Harry.... I got rid of Morgellons using equimax horse wormer. Then I got re-infected from a coat given to me by a friend.
10 days of equimax at one and a half times the dose for my weight, and I was free of all the symptoms for 60 days -until day 61 when I put on a coat given to me, and got two bites on my neck.
I talked with a vet about humans using equimax, and got a thumbs up. WHO has a history of using both stromectol and praziquantel in third world countries for those with filarial infections, so the use of these two medicines is well documented.
What is not documented, and which may not be construed as safe, is my own trial with increasing the dose by 50% by dosage based on weight. That said, I did not have any side effects or become ill from using this much equimax.
This amount of equimax --50% more than the usual dose for my weight-- equaled 300 micrograms of Ivermectin (stromectol) per kilo of body weight, while the usual recommended amount is 200 micrograms per kilo of body weight. Also this increased amount equaled 132.6 mg of praziquantel per daily dose --well within the WHO limits of 2,400mg per daily dose for a large adult with severe filarial infection. Further, WHO guidelines suggest that both Ivermectin (stromectol) and praziquantel can be given daily for up to a month in cases of severe filarial infections. So, 10 days is well within the maximum course duration for some infections.
If you have not yet guessed, I weigh roughly 130 lbs.
I also spoke with a doctor about this, a human doctor. His take on this was that if it worked once, it should work again, and he did not make any noises at the amount I took the first time. I did do this again shortly after the coat episode, but only five days worth, as that was all I had on hand. It did not work. I suspect that this was because the course was too short by about 5 days. The doctor I spoke to thinks that it was taken too soon, but that doing it again should work. He also thinks that it is the combination of the two medicines that is effective.
Did it work because ivermctin interferes with an organisms ability to absorb glucose? And can we assume that Morgellons involves such an organism, such as a mite or nematode? No. Because no organism has yet to be identified. But the doctor that I spoke to did say that he believed that whatever it is, it is in the pores of the skin. And that leads me to think that it is a parasite of some type. And the doctor I spoke to thinks so, too.
In any event, I am going to do it again. Just the way it was successful before. The paste first thing in the morning mixed in a big glass of water, followed an hour later with a breakfast of organic blueberries, blackberries and raspberries and rye toast with butter. And a mug of colombian coffee (yes!).
BTW-- I stayed in bed most of the whole 10 days (sleeping blissfully), showering and changing clothes daily, but some days did not bother to change the sheets daily. My environment was NEVER a problem, and I experienced no "bites" from any of my clothes or around my home, or from my computer, after the 10 day course.
This is my experience. Another person with whom I exchange emails also used equimax and has no symptoms anymore, although I will say that he used different doses, using 1/4 of a tube for a single dose, and he used short courses of three to five days over many months. The shorter course of higher doses worked better for me.
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Post by Harry on Jun 9, 2011 13:03:39 GMT -5
Thank you Shere Matie!, this info sure does help, I wounder if you folk's should have taken a dose every three weeks because of the cycle factor??, small nematodes go dormant in muscle tissues, when the Adults die off the ones that are dormant come to life to take over for the dead Adults, so I would think you need to space it out then hold off for two weeks and do another dose & so on, in this way you kill the Adults then the dormant ones, but then you have eggs that are not effected, does any of this sound right??, thank your Rabbit for you take on this, sorry you got reinfected, but I feel you never killed off what I just explained. ibz!, charcol is a very good way to clean out your system with no side effects good call, well thank you all for your experiences with all this, Hugs to Matie's & friend's alike. Harry
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Post by sheredelight on Jun 9, 2011 18:29:59 GMT -5
Well Harry.... I got rid of Morgellons using equimax horse wormer. Then I got re-infected from a coat given to me by a friend. 10 days of equimax at one and a half times the dose for my weight, and I was free of all the symptoms for 60 days -until day 61 when I put on a coat given to me, and got two bites on my neck. I talked with a vet about humans using equimax, and got a thumbs up. WHO has a history of using both stromectol and praziquantel in third world countries for those with filarial infections, so the use of these two medicines is well documented. What is not documented, and which may not be construed as safe, is my own trial with increasing the dose by 50% by dosage based on weight. That said, I did not have any side effects or become ill from using this much equimax. This amount of equimax --50% more than the usual dose for my weight-- equaled 300 micrograms of Ivermectin (stromectol) per kilo of body weight, while the usual recommended amount is 200 micrograms per kilo of body weight. Also this increased amount equaled 132.6 mg of praziquantel per daily dose --well within the WHO limits of 2,400mg per daily dose for a large adult with severe filarial infection. Further, WHO guidelines suggest that both Ivermectin (stromectol) and praziquantel can be given daily for up to a month in cases of severe filarial infections. So, 10 days is well within the maximum course duration for some infections. If you have not yet guessed, I weigh roughly 130 lbs. I also spoke with a doctor about this, a human doctor. His take on this was that if it worked once, it should work again, and he did not make any noises at the amount I took the first time. I did do this again shortly after the coat episode, but only five days worth, as that was all I had on hand. It did not work. I suspect that this was because the course was too short by about 5 days. The doctor I spoke to thinks that it was taken too soon, but that doing it again should work. He also thinks that it is the combination of the two medicines that is effective. Did it work because ivermctin interferes with an organisms ability to absorb glucose? And can we assume that Morgellons involves such an organism, such as a mite or nematode? No. Because no organism has yet to be identified. But the doctor that I spoke to did say that he believed that whatever it is, it is in the pores of the skin. And that leads me to think that it is a parasite of some type. And the doctor I spoke to thinks so, too. In any event, I am going to do it again. Just the way it was successful before. The paste first thing in the morning mixed in a big glass of water, followed an hour later with a breakfast of organic blueberries, blackberries and raspberries and rye toast with butter. And a mug of colombian coffee (yes!). BTW-- I stayed in bed most of the whole 10 days (sleeping blissfully), showering and changing clothes daily, but some days did not bother to change the sheets daily. My environment was NEVER a problem, and I experienced no "bites" from any of my clothes or around my home, or from my computer, after the 10 day course. This is my experience. Another person with whom I exchange emails also used equimax and has no symptoms anymore, although I will say that he used different doses, using 1/4 of a tube for a single dose, and he used short courses of three to five days over many months. The shorter course of higher doses worked better for me. White Rabbit, Thanks for the great info, i will deffinality try this at a greater strength and for a longer peirod, what you stated, is what I have thought for a long time, worms , parisites are involved. As my cat has this also, and i treat her every 2 weeks, or she get extremly itchy. The D/earth in her meat does work to a degree, but she also has 2 other wormer's as well. ( Reveloution spot on and Milbemax tablets ) Harry mate ,happy to be of some help See a combined effort and we've got it sorted.... god we're good. Hugs u guys
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Post by Harry on Jun 12, 2011 12:58:19 GMT -5
I think 50% is not a good safe level, but this is my feelings, you all need to remember this was made for horse's, I took a does 3 day's then another, and I feel quite spaced out, but I also have had C F S for many year's before Morglleons so maybe that's way I feel spaced out like I am, hugs, be well Harry
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Post by toni on Jun 12, 2011 15:03:44 GMT -5
Harry, Just a thought - but Pine Bark (in supplements) and "teas" (the tannins) help too, as they use tannins which are in red wine, and barks, and teas....to eliminate parasites in animals too. There's a supplement I used to stop the meds, and that was Swanson's Pine bark with Grape seed extract. And there's a capsule supplement too called: Green, white and black tea. One capsule a day has got all three teas in it. So it's easy to get that in the body with just one swallow. And that too is not only loaded with tannins, which are very good for us, but they're great antioxidants too. Here's that (3 tea supplement) $1.49 for 60 capsules. ;D It barely gets better than that price www.swansonvitamins.com/SW1351/ItemDetail?SourceCode=INTL413PS...something I read about *teas*. A person would have to drink something like 12 cups of tea a day just to get the daily benefit of the antioxidants and tannins required. That's why I love supplements, because they're much more realistic and easy to take.
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Post by toni on Jun 12, 2011 15:12:56 GMT -5
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Post by sheredelight on Jun 13, 2011 2:33:47 GMT -5
Hi Harry,
Maybe the praziquantel, is to strong. I remember now, had problems with my eye sight, everything went golden, really weird, thought it was the seretonin. I might just go back to the Ivermectin horse wormer only, and i wont double the strenght, good point, happy u mentioned it. I have CFS as well....hope your feeling better soon.
And sorry i forgot about my eyes,,,,duh !!!!!
Morgies screws with our head....
cheers hun
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Post by skylark99 on Jun 13, 2011 8:11:09 GMT -5
The medicine that is referred to as Ivermectin, is called Ivermectin when used in veterinary medicine. When the same medicine is used in human medicine it is called stromectol. They are the same medicine. Stromectol has been used by the World Health Organization for several decades to treat worm infections in humans. Severe filarial infections are treated by the World Health organization with a 28 day course of stromectol. Stromectol also has a long history of use in Australia, where strongeloides stercoralis infections in native populations has been problematic and life threatening; within the last few years the Australian Aboriginal Parasite Elimination program has added albenzadole to the stromectol treatment regimen for strongyloides infections, as strongeloides seems to have developed a resistance (or partial resistance) to stromectol alone. Stromectol has also been used in human medicine to treat scabies. Usually, one to three doses is sufficient. Praziquantel is also a human medicine used by the World Health Organization, and has been in use since at least 2006 in non-industrialized countries where filarial infections are a health problem. It has a long tract record of safety and effectiveness; its use is not only restricted to adults, it is given to children ages 6 and above. For severe filarial infections, courses of praziquantel can be prescribed for up to 28 days. The amount of praziquantel in Equimax horse wormer (88.4mg) is small compared to the amount of the suggested recommended dose for an adult of average size (2,400mg) with severe filarial infections. NB Filarial infections are those caused by nematodes, strongyloides is one such nematode infection that can cause illness in humans and many animals. I think 50% is not a good safe level, but this is my feelings, you all need to remember this was made for horse's, I took a does 3 day's then another, and I feel quite spaced out, but I also have had C F S for many year's before Morglleons so maybe that's way I feel spaced out like I am, hugs, be well Harry
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Post by warriorsheep on Jun 16, 2011 12:54:41 GMT -5
Thanks for posting about your success with Equimax-- it confirms that M has a parasitical component... !! Maybe a mutant or genetically engineered Onchocerca carrying the Wolbachia bacteria, or even a mycoplasma payload. Apparently, its the wolbachia that causes skin lesions as the micorfilaria die and release it. From what I have heard, Ivermectin does NOT kill adults... hence the need to take it twice a month while the adults live (for up to 14 years OMG ! YIKES) I did read that Chloroquin was able to suppress the adult Onchocerca worms. That's why Im drinking lots of quinine lately. I have had some success on my forearm lesions with ARTEMISININ (Wormwood) --- a chinese anti-parasitic herbal--- which also confirmed to me that this is a parasite and that perhaps all the propaganda on nanotechnology at Rense and other sites is a red herring-- designed to deflect us all from the real cause-- an immune suppressing parasite. Nothing so far has worked on my scalp. Researchers at Fort Detrick have long experimented with delivering viruses via Nematodes (microfilaria) via insects... A very evil trojan horse, isn't it? The fact that the Army has been involved with microfillarial research makes you wonder if they don't already know what this thing is --- and that is why we are getting stonewalled by the chronic Lyme deniers at the CDC. Regardless, it doesn't really matter--- we won't be getting any real answers from the CDC--- they stone walled chronic Lyme victims, too, so its best not to waste any energy on the CDC, aside from exposing their malfeasance to Congress). I'm a bit worried the MRF gives too much respect to the CDC-- a respect CDC has not earned in our community. So its up to us to do the research on ourselves... being brave... thinking of Sue Laws and others who have died from "delusions of parasitosis".. and "post lyme syndrome" and using our best internet detective skills to help our community and ourselves. Thank you for your bravery.
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Post by violet on Jun 16, 2011 13:04:02 GMT -5
The medicine that is referred to as Ivermectin, is called Ivermectin when used in veterinary medicine. When the same medicine is used in human medicine it is called stromectol. They are the same medicine. Stromectol has been used by the World Health Organization for several decades to treat worm infections in humans. Severe filarial infections are treated by the World Health organization with a 28 day course of stromectol. Stromectol also has a long history of use in Australia, where strongeloides stercoralis infections in native populations has been problematic and life threatening; within the last few years the Australian Aboriginal Parasite Elimination program has added albenzadole to the stromectol treatment regimen for strongyloides infections, as strongeloides seems to have developed a resistance (or partial resistance) to stromectol alone. Stromectol has also been used in human medicine to treat scabies. Usually, one to three doses is sufficient. Praziquantel is also a human medicine used by the World Health Organization, and has been in use since at least 2006 in non-industrialized countries where filarial infections are a health problem. It has a long tract record of safety and effectiveness; its use is not only restricted to adults, it is given to children ages 6 and above. For severe filarial infections, courses of praziquantel can be prescribed for up to 28 days. The amount of praziquantel in Equimax horse wormer (88.4mg) is small compared to the amount of the suggested recommended dose for an adult of average size (2,400mg) with severe filarial infections. NB Filarial infections are those caused by nematodes, strongyloides is one such nematode infection that can cause illness in humans and many animals. I think 50% is not a good safe level, but this is my feelings, you all need to remember this was made for horse's, I took a does 3 day's then another, and I feel quite spaced out, but I also have had C F S for many year's before Morglleons so maybe that's way I feel spaced out like I am, hugs, be well Harry I have a friend and her husband who work with outlying tribes in the Philippines. Sheis a trained nurse. I could check in with her sometime to find out what they use for the tribal peoples and for how long regarding worms. I think I recall they have made sure they have a good supply of Artemisian (sp?) growing. It's hard to reach her on a regular basis, especially when she is not back at their condo in their town. But I'll remember when I next have contact with her to ask about any and all things they have found effective for filariosis (sp?).
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Post by warriorsheep on Jun 16, 2011 13:17:01 GMT -5
Oops, I think I was too hasty about the Chloroquin-- here's a report showing that it cleared up the skin 100%-- but did not kill adults, and the skin became worse after going off the chloroquin, as the adults must have gone crazy breeding ;D when the chloroquin was withdrawn:
The effect of antimalarial chloroquine therapy and prophylaxis on concurrent infection with Onchocerca volvulus in Ecuador. Guderian RH, Anselmi M, Beck BJ, Mackenzie CD, Williams JF, Proaño JR, Cooper PJ. Source Onchocerciasis Project, Community Development Vozandes, Hospital Vozandes, Quito, Ecuador. Abstract The effect of chloroquine phosphate on Onchocerca volvulus in vivo was studied in Ecuadorians undergoing treatment for malaria. All persons with a diagnosis of acute malaria and treated with 2500 mg of chloroquine over 3 d showed a 100% reduction of dermal O. volvulus microfilariae 7 d after treatment. However, 28 d after treatment the microfilarial densities returned to their pre-treatment levels and at 35 d they had increased to 121.6% of their pre-treatment values. Treatment did not appear to have any effect on the adult O. volvulus examined histologically in extirpated nodules. Patients treated for acute malaria and subsequently kept on a prophylactic regimen of 500 mg chloroquine weekly showed a reduction of 56.7% from pre-treatment microfilarial density after 27 weeks. Patients who underwent nodulectomy as well as treatment for acute malaria and were given 500 mg of chloroquine prophylactically for 27 weeks showed a reduction in dermal microfilarial density of 93.6%. Symptoms of onchocerciasis were reduced in the latter group of patients, with the elimination of all acute dermatological changes within 6 weeks. Ocular examination of these surgically and chemotherapeutically treated individuals revealed reductions of 94.9% of microfilariae in the anterior chamber, 95.9% of live microfilariae in the cornea, and 95.1% of dead microfilariae in the cornea. There was a reduction of 69.8% in corneal fluffy opacities. No alteration in the visual acuity or in visible lesions in the posterior segment was recorded. The results suggest that a complex interaction between chloroquine and O. volvulus takes place in vivo, which can be beneficial to the patient over a long period.(ABSTRACT TRUNCATED AT 250 WORDS)
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Post by warriorsheep on Jun 16, 2011 15:31:02 GMT -5
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Post by skylark99 on Jun 17, 2011 8:40:01 GMT -5
I forgot to add that, after I goit rid of the Morgellons symptoms using equimax at half again the standard dose, I went to my new doc because I had some abdominal pain. On exam, it was found that I had an infection somewhere in my abdomen. Ultrasound was ordered (all normal, including liver, spleen, what parts of intestine could be seen, gall bladder, everything looked fine). Bloods for liver and kidney function ordered; all tests came back negative for any abnormalities, damage or illness. A week of antibiotics cleared up the abdominal problem, and a subsequent week of antibiotics were also Rx'd "just to make sure that the infection is really all gone". And no problems since. The point, was that after taking a 10 day course of equimax at 1 and 1/2 times the normal dose rate, subsequent liver and kidney tests showed no adverse effects from doing this.
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