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Post by The Voice on Oct 1, 2011 2:14:39 GMT -5
I know it has been mentioned so many times but now after suffering two years (and possibly being infected for ten years) I am reaching the conclusion it is some kind of worm - something not unlike Strongyloides. Until recently I disputed this idea and thought along the lines of simple antibiotic and parasitic treatments and even biofilms. Now I am inclined to think it is worms that are carrying all this stuff and which are preventing antibiotics and other treatments from totally eradicating the disease.
For a start it would account for the varying types of infections. The worms could carry fungi, bacteria and viruses. This would explain why many M sufferers also have Lyme and other so-called tick borne co-infections while at the same time having some symptoms differing from normal Lyme ones.
It would also explain why even after prolonged use of antibiotics and the Lyme aspects clearing up for a while it returns again in M sufferers - because the worms are carrying it and they haven't been eliminated.
The stuff coming out of our skin could be all kinds of various things carried by these worms thus making it very difficult to track down or describe exactly what Morgellons is. In short, a disease with many different possible outcomes though brought about through one single vector, a worm of some kind. Somethings might just be able to survive in the skin and then emerge on maturity while others might only survive within the worms - who knows.
Indeed is it Strongyloides or some variant? I am sure that question has been asked many times too. But from what I read the tests for it are not always reliable basically because it can be a matter of timing whether or not organisms are found in a stool sample etc. So if you have a negative result it doesn't necessarily mean you don't have it.
My final point is, are people who use the three pronged herbal remedy for fighting Strongyloides (wormwood/artemisia, cloves, green black walnut) having any success against Morgellons? It would seem Strongyloides infections are extremely difficult to fight and many people have it for life.
Thoughts on any of this long ramble, anyone?
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Post by Lynn on Oct 1, 2011 11:30:16 GMT -5
Hi The Voice
I really think you are on to something. I agree with a lot of what you say. Is there away we could connect the worm with Chem-trails, because I know of two people who say they did not get this till they were working their farm after a chem-trail spraying and found what looked like wet silly string, but different and touched it and then they were sick.
Could it be that the chem-trails is making something grow more rampant so that the bugs are infected sense they process the environment more quickly and on a deeper level then animals. Then once they bite people they give us what ever they got from their environment and then we attract the parasites which then are or become infected with the Morgellons and they survive the treatments and reinfected us. I know people who got this right after being bitten, folks who touched the wet string, and those like me who seem to have come down with it very slowly over a good eight years or more. Now I did live out in the country and still do but at another location when I first started getting symptoms. I Had took a walk with my first grand child in the orchard and kept him from trying to pick up what look like wet slimy silly string. Which I used a stick to move it out of our path. Looked real close at it because it was so weird. Can not recall accidentally touching it, but would not be surprised if I had. I am accident prone. I just remember at first glance thinking it was silly string but some alarms went off in my whole body and I bolted to grab the grand kid as he wanted to pick up the pretty colored strings. That is when I got the stick and took a closer look and realize it was not silly string and was strange.
Was not until years later after being infested head to toe with crawling biting bugs that I discovered people who said they were farmers and got this after pulling weird string off their trees. It just gets so confusing.
In Light Lynn p.s. Sorry I went so deep and complex
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Post by The Voice on Oct 1, 2011 12:50:30 GMT -5
Hi Lynn Thanks for posting. Yes, I really welcome folks to comment on my thoughts here.
Now, chemtrails is one thing I really don't hold with though I appreciate a lot of people believe they could be a key to all our problems. I am afraid I'm more "down to earth" - literally. As I said, I now think some kind of worm is the starting point and that that harbours all kinds of infections hence the variety of symptoms we get. But I can't see my idea fitting in with chemtrails at all. My feelings is this worm (if it is a worm) has existed for a very long time and it is only through the internet that we are hearing more and more about the disease.
Now I don't want to pour any great doubt on chemtrails theories - each to their own - and who am I to say one way or the other as I am not a scientist, not even an amateur one? The only thing is, to me, it smacks of the science fiction and going beyond what I think will actually come from normal everyday science. To me conspiracy theories are out. But that's just me talking of-course!
Regarding your example of the farmer, I am sure the "chemtrail" was just a coincidence. The fact he was working with dirt should be the main clue. If the worm is related to the Strongyloide then we have some further clues there - it is minute and can easily slip through the pores of the skin. If you come into contact with it, it will seep through into your body. You don't have breath it in or have an insect inject you.
I am a firm believer in simple being the best and that even applies to explanations. To then know such an organism can carry almost any number of infections and in-effect protect them from antibiotic treatment because of their cell bodies is a simple assumption - but very believable. It goes some way to explaining why Ivermectin - a strong anti-parasitic - has such a big effect rather than abx alone. Why infections return after treatment stops may be to do with Ivermectin interfering with only a part of the organism's life cycle.
Once again I have to apologise for sounding like some kind of armchair scientist (which I am not)...but I am just making a few observations, as a great many of us do. Best wishes.
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Post by simone on Oct 2, 2011 19:24:46 GMT -5
I take alot of videos and pictures of my skin and have seen 2 different types of worms, not including the fiber with 2 extruding fang looking things. The 2 worms are different... One white thick but still. and a brown with an interesting bottom which relates to the fiber ball. Interesting that you mention this. I agree with you. Do you have pics of these worms.... I do.
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Post by freakydeak on Oct 3, 2011 1:43:38 GMT -5
will you please show us some of your pics? I'd love to see them. I must say, I believe I'm a tad wormy myself. Recently I was picking my face, & usually, I get clumps of morgs, which could be worms, but it's usually white in color, with fibers, black, or orange specks, or brown things. Duh. I'm not real good at the proper names of things.
It's surprising that I don't recall this happening before. I've written about this before, but it seems fitting to re-write it here. As I continued picking, the texture suddenly changed to one quite slimy and the color changed to a purple/gray slimy substance. It was as though I was picking out a pile of worms . Most assuredly, I'd argue if I wasn't.
Oey gooey with love, freaky
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Post by itchin4answers on Oct 3, 2011 20:05:13 GMT -5
I've not read anything to say this is what is happening, just putting things together myself.
Is it possible that the nano particles in the environment, as well as many things we consume are a vector?
Is it possible that the "contamination" in our skin has hitched a ride on the nano particles?
I would like to see your photos too Simone. You describe exactly what I see with the naked eye.
This Morgellons "contamination" is resistant, I can point to each & every area in my body where it lives. Areas on my knee caps, ankles & legs that swelled at the start of my symptoms is full of the morgies. Scars on my legs where the lesions began I can feel the mass morgie hives. If I flick them out of my skin or rub a little to get through the sticky biofilm, out they come...all looking the same, blue bundles, fine white fibers, black/blue specks, amber brown, white specks, blue/grey gunge.
How this "contamination" lives in my skin/body is beyond me. My body should be getting rid of this invader that is what it was designed to do.
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Post by simone on Oct 3, 2011 23:05:54 GMT -5
Looking back at past posts on the Morgellon Scientific.. theories and speculation. I read Dkushner post under Nematode worms & fibers. In their it mentions the white rubber like worm and I have seen these a few times. But dkushner said it best....THESE ARE WORMS PEOPLE~WE HAVE WORMS. Any way I want to show what I have found on my skin. I made a 6 min video and it was far to long and boring and the last was the white rubber worm. So I took a pic of it on my computer to show you. I realized that they are very small like the fibers. Next pic is a brown worm... but look at one end of it. What is this strange thing sticking out. Then I took pics of fibers with something strange sticking out. Notice the end of fiber and the other fiber ball ~ look at mid section and see the brown thing also sticking out. Could they use the fibers to encase themselves... ? Last pic is a fiber I took a pic of ...look at the encasement. Looks like this was a home for someone and then left. What do you think??? [img src=" img101.imageshack.us/img101/1607/022ioe.th.jpg"] [/img]
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Post by simone on Oct 3, 2011 23:09:35 GMT -5
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Post by simone on Oct 3, 2011 23:17:59 GMT -5
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Post by simone on Oct 3, 2011 23:20:50 GMT -5
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Post by itchin4answers on Oct 5, 2011 3:36:44 GMT -5
Simone,
Thank you for sharing your images, they are excellent very clear.
I honestly don't know what I'm looking at to give an opinion. They totally creep me out! & that cocoon thing is so creepy. It sure looks like a worm too. I had never thought of worms, can you believe that...
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Post by simone on Oct 5, 2011 5:56:05 GMT -5
Hi itchin... yes those fiber balls have something attached to them. The brown thing looks similiar to the end of the brown worm. Or is it a complete different parasite with their own stinger? Looking at my skin right now its clear, no lesions so it creeps me out that these are on the skin. I would not even know that they were on me if I didn't examine the skin with my microscope. I've only seen about 4 white worms so far and 2 brown ones. I have a video of the one in the yellow background. I've have so many video's and pictures of my skin. Just keeping them for the record I guess. I like to share my findings once in awhile.
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Post by freakydeak on Oct 7, 2011 16:40:55 GMT -5
Good pics simone. All this talk just reminded me of sweet nanners who I hope everyone is praying for her back to be OK.
Anyway, remember when nanner's had something wrong with her fireplace, & she went on top of her roof to unjam it, I think, as it was clogged. She got up to the roof, & all of a sudden these white worm things started wiggling?
Then there were these videos that people had done where these white wigglers were floating down from the sky, , & had landed on roof tops, all over cars, etc., oh, & in the trees, & grass too. Wonder where those videos were taken.
My neck has gotten better, & last night I was rubbing it, & it's not too often I don't use something like milk, or whatever to get these guys outta me. Well, last night, I got a fresh baby worm out. I looked at it right away. No mistake, it was a worm, cause a worm is a worm is a worm. Also remember ooey gooey was a worm. He was, really.
Hugs, & smackers, freakydeak
Sorry, maybe I didn't get enough sleep, or I've accumulated too many worms in my brain.
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Post by threader on Dec 16, 2011 13:45:29 GMT -5
Nice post OP. I agree there are far too many conspiracy theories around M and we probably have a worm or a fungus. The change in my Morgellons during every full moon is profound. Worms and fungi both thrive during full moons. Those thin, bright, white threads that come out in droves at times, usually only 1mm in length- twice I've had long ones come out that moved around on their own like living worms for 5 mins outside my body. If I get my skin within an inch of a mover it finds my skin and attaches. Parasites love sugar, so does M.
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Post by freakydeak on Dec 31, 2011 2:13:31 GMT -5
me too, freaky
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Post by homeworld on Jan 9, 2012 22:32:51 GMT -5
...don't think I've found a worm yet.. but I've seen some darn strange....whatevers. Like these blue..birdheaded..things. They seem pretty solid, they sure don't move. I've seen them a few microns long...and I've seen them several mm long..like the pic below. tinyurl.com/7fz29d4tinyurl.com/7uhlr7nHaven't been seeing them much over the last year [2011] I have found them in the tap water...just like I've found everything else I've collected on the skin in the tap water. [fibers, particles, gels, etc] Purely a coincidence I'm sure.
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Post by skizit on Jan 12, 2012 19:32:11 GMT -5
Homeworld, This is a strange structure to us just because we haven't seen it before. Have you looked for any explanation perhaps being related to plants or spores? Other strange shapes have turned out to be some sort of seed and because this structure doesn't appear to be a bug, unless you have observed it to be alive, then its got to be related to plants. I'm wondering what the other end looks like.
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Post by skizit on Jan 12, 2012 19:35:31 GMT -5
Hi, theVoice, I like your name. I think worms are among the delivery vectors but is not the disease itself. They create a disease condition with the stuff they create as a result of being alive. Some people have worms as vectors and some have arthropods and some other have purely synthetic vectors, in which category I would include the man-made delivery vectors such as hexagons that deform and something squishes out. I have seen quite a few different kinds of worms involved, not just one kind. I don't think they are all nematodes either.
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Post by skizit on Jan 12, 2012 19:40:17 GMT -5
One more thing, I think people are confused about, which came first the animal or the fibers. The fibers are a result of bacterial and fungul growths. When endospore making bacteria run out of food, normally they produce the fibers. But I have just read that they can be induced to sporulate during chromosomal replication as well.
The animal comes first, in its growing stage it may molt several times, but its cocoon comes with bacteria and fiber which grows along with the animal. The cocoon (I'm saying cocoon but it may actually be called something else depending on what animal) when new has no fibers but as it matures, more fiber appears. If you see a fiberball with many fibers, you are looking at an older egg case or cocoon or sometimes a colony.
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Post by homeworld on Jan 12, 2012 21:55:02 GMT -5
...heres one of the "birdsheads" found in a drop of tap water. it appears to be hatching out of a small blue sphere...which is an interesting source for a tiny blue...thing. tinyurl.com/6n59fxathis pic was prob taken at 400x I have suspicions that the blue "birdheads" are closely related to the "red c " critters that appear to have very angular heads as well. tinyurl.com/6ltdjko
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