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Oct 30, 2011 8:03:08 GMT -5
Post by elizabeth67 on Oct 30, 2011 8:03:08 GMT -5
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Oct 30, 2011 9:32:12 GMT -5
Post by bannanny on Oct 30, 2011 9:32:12 GMT -5
Don't pay any attention to all those mostly old articles elizabeth... the truth is getting closer and closer to coming out. They can't stop us from winning this fight sweetie.
big hugs ~~ bannanny
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Oct 30, 2011 11:15:01 GMT -5
Post by Jill on Oct 30, 2011 11:15:01 GMT -5
What I find interesting is on page 2 of the link that Elizabeth put up: 32. Myiasis, fillan, and the morgellons. EMSLIE-SMITH AH. Br Med J. 1946 Jun 22;1:962. No abstract available. PMID: 20988616 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] Related citations 1946 Morgellons
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Oct 30, 2011 11:31:25 GMT -5
Post by elizabeth67 on Oct 30, 2011 11:31:25 GMT -5
Hi Nanners, you are right, but smoke came out of my ears when i was reading one of the articles. Screw 'm..... Jill, i found this. tinyurl.com/644lcpnSo they where already familiar with it for a long time I guess...I think there is no such thing as delusional parasitosis. Polymers are on the market since 1938.....
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Oct 30, 2011 11:43:34 GMT -5
Post by ginna898 on Oct 30, 2011 11:43:34 GMT -5
This seems to have been published in OCTOBER 2011 ---- Morgellons is a 'subgroup' of DI (Delusional Infestation) and more cases expected, ..... --- morgellons ARE patients with 'unusual presentations' of Delusional Infestation.and they expect 'more of us' in the future: "patients with unusual presentations of DI are likely to be seen more commonly in the future. ( In my opinion -----They ARE admitting that the "CUTANEOUS PATHOLOGY" is 'real' --- but CAUSED by the psychiatric disease!) __________________________________________________ www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21933231 The psychiatric disease is responsible for the cutaneous pathology. About 90% of patients with DI seek help from dermatologists, and most reject psychiatric referral. Thus, effective management requires incorporation of psychiatric principles. We report three cases of DI (Delusional Infestation) with inanimate materials, and examine ' Morgellons' disease. We believe that patients with unusual presentations of DI are likely to be seen more commonly in the future. These patients appear to be a subgroup of DI, and may be even more difficult to treat than other patients with DI.
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Oct 30, 2011 11:57:32 GMT -5
Post by toni on Oct 30, 2011 11:57:32 GMT -5
Jill, I did some digging too because of what you'd questioned. Each link that I clicked on in regards to Emslie-Smith etc in the British Medical Journal, (the computer kept bouncing me out) don't know why - but I wasn't able to read any of them. BUT....I did find this from 1930.
Human Intestinal Myiasis Dec 20, 1930www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2452964/pdf/brmedj07627-0015a.pdf
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Oct 30, 2011 12:03:07 GMT -5
Post by ginna898 on Oct 30, 2011 12:03:07 GMT -5
Elisabeth, Thank you for bringing this to our attention, even if some of the articles are some we have already seen because there ARE others that I have not seen in that list of articles.
Jill, Thank you for finding and pointing out this from 1948.
Toni, This is from Jill's located article so you and everyone can read it.....
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MYIASIS, " FILLAN," AND " THE MORGELLONS "
Two recent reports (Turner, 1945; McCarthy, 1945) have drawn attention to the occurrence in man of infestation by Hypoderma larvae, giving rise to creeping myiasis. Although Brumpt (1927) states that this condition, which he calls myiase sous-cutanee a' tum,eurs ambulatoires, is well known to the country folk in Norway, Ireland, Scotland, and Brittany, it may be of interest to quote the following account taken from A Description of the Western Islands of Scotland, by M. Martin, Gent., first published in 1703.
"Allan Macleod being about ten years of age, was taken ill of a pain which moved from one part of his body to another, and where it was felt the skin appeared blue; it came to his toe, thigh, testicles, arms, and head; when the boy was bathed in warm water he found most ease. The hinder part of his head, which was last affected, had a little swelling; and a woman endeavouring to squeeze the humour out of it, by bruising it on each side with her nails, she forced out at the same time a little animal near an inch in length, having a white head sharp pointed, the rest of its body of a red colour, and full of small feet on each side.
Animals of this sort have been seen in the head and legs of several persons in the isles, and are distinguished by the name of Fillaa."
This case occurred in the Isle of Skye. Elsewhere in the same book Martin gives a shorter description of a case in Harris.
In the second instance " a little worm, about half an inch in length, and about the bigness of a goose-quill, having a pointed head, and many little feet on each side," was drawn out of the flesh of a man's cheek.
According to Macleod (1934) Martin Martin was born in Skye c. 1655-60, graduated M.A. at Edinburgh University in 1681, and between 1686 and 1692 acted as " governor " to young MacLeod of Dunvegan. In 1697 he contributed to the Royal Society the first of two papers which formed the groundwork of his volume of 1703. Martin entered the University of Leyden in 1710 and there graduated M.D.; he died in Londod in 1719.
About 30 years before Martin's account Sir Thomas Browne recorded a curious observation in "A Letter to a Friend": ----" Hairs which have most amused me have not been in the face or head, but on the Back, and not in Men but Children, as I long ago observed in that endemial Distemper of little Children in Languedock, called the Morgellons, wherein they critically break out with harsh Hairs on their Backs; which takes off the unquiet symptoms of the Disease, and delivers them from Coughs and Convulsions."
Kellett (1935) has reviewed this passage in considerable detail and concluded that the reference is to comedones. This explanation is based on a study of a series of descriptions published between 1544 and the present century. It does not, however, cover the deliverance from coughs, noted by Browne, nor the fact that the "worms" mentioned by certain of the earlier writers quoted by Kellett were " wont to infest the muscles of the arms, calves, and back in young children."
The starting-point for an alternative speculation on the nature of the "morgellons" may be found in the migration of Hypoderma larvae through skin to muscles, thence to the viscera, particularly of the thorax, and finally to the subcutaneous tissue of the back. It is accordingly suggested that the passage, " they critically break out with harsh Hairs, etc.," may refer to the subcutaneous localization of such parasites, with the subsidence of irritation of the respiratory tract. An intriguing pendant to this hypothesis is that, as Kellett has pointed out, the word "morgellons," though unique, is almost certainly derived via Provencal forms from muscula, a little fly.
Dept. of Bacteriology King's College Newcastle-upon-Tyne. A. H. EMSLIE-SMI1H, M.B.
REFERENCES Browne, Sir Thomas. Works, ed. by Geoffrey Keynes, Faber and Gwyer, London, 1928. 1, 171. Brumpt, E. (1927). Prdcis de Parasitologie. Masson, Paris. Kellett, C. E. (1935). Annals of Medical History, 7, 467. McCarthy, D. F. (1945). British Medical Journal, 2, 135. Macleod, D. J. (1934). A Description of the Western Islands of Scotland, by M. Martin. Mackay, Stirling. Turner, R. G. (1945). British Medical Journal, 2, 11.
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Oct 30, 2011 12:05:36 GMT -5
Post by Lynn on Oct 30, 2011 12:05:36 GMT -5
Wow
They did not even use the words delusional in that report unless I missed it. They knew about it even back then. Wow. Wonder if they use some element of the worm/fly in the chem-trails making it easier to become Morgellons in folks. Now I am not sure if Morgellons is spread by chem-trials, but can see how it pollutes so that more disease is spread around and Morgellons is one of the thousand of disease that increased in cases and now treated as delusional. Dang...
In Light Lynn/TorpedoLynn
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Oct 30, 2011 12:10:47 GMT -5
Post by toni on Oct 30, 2011 12:10:47 GMT -5
Elisabeth, Thank you for bringing this to our attention, even if some of the articles are some we have already seen because there ARE others that I have not seen in that list of articles. Jill, Thank you for finding and nothing this from 1948. Toni, This is from Jill's located article so you and everyone can read it..... ____________________________________________________ MYIASIS, " FILLAN," AND " THE MORGELLONS "Two recent reports (Turner, 1945; McCarthy, 1945) have drawn attention to the occurrence in man of infestation by Hypoderma larvae, giving rise to creeping myiasis. Although Brumpt (1927) states that this condition, which he calls myiase sous-cutanee a' tum,eurs ambulatoires, is well known to the country folk in Norway, Ireland, Scotland, and Brittany, it may be of interest to quote the following account taken from A Description of the Western Islands of Scotland, by M. Martin, Gent., first published in 1703. "Allan Macleod being about ten years of age, was taken ill of a pain which moved from one part of his body to another, and where it was felt the skin appeared blue; it came to his toe, thigh, testicles, arms, and head; when the boy was bathed in warm water he found most ease. The hinder part of his head, which was last affected, had a little swelling; and a woman endeavouring to squeeze the humour out of it, by bruising it on each side with her nails, she forced out at the same time a little animal near an inch in length, having a white head sharp pointed, the rest of its body of a red colour, and full of small feet on each side. Animals of this sort have been seen in the head and legs of several persons in the isles, and are distinguished by the name of Fillaa." This case occurred in the Isle of Skye. Elsewhere in the same book Martin gives a shorter description of a case in Harris. In the second instance " a little worm, about half an inch in length, and about the bigness of a goose-quill, having a pointed head, and many little feet on each side," was drawn out of the flesh of a man's cheek. According to Macleod (1934) Martin Martin was born in Skye c. 1655-60, graduated M.A. at Edinburgh University in 1681, and between 1686 and 1692 acted as " governor " to young MacLeod of Dunvegan. In 1697 he contributed to the Royal Society the first of two papers which formed the groundwork of his volume of 1703. Martin entered the University of Leyden in 1710 and there graduated M.D.; he died in Londod in 1719. About 30 years before Martin's account Sir Thomas Browne recorded a curious observation in "A Letter to a Friend": ----" Hairs which have most amused me have not been in the face or head, but on the Back, and not in Men but Children, as I long ago observed in that endemial Distemper of little Children in Languedock, called the Morgellons, wherein they critically break out with harsh Hairs on their Backs; which takes off the unquiet symptoms of the Disease, and delivers them from Coughs and Convulsions." Kellett (1935) has reviewed this passage in considerable detail and concluded that the reference is to comedones. This explanation is based on a study of a series of descriptions published between 1544 and the present century. It does not, however, cover the deliverance from coughs, noted by Browne, nor the fact that the "worms" mentioned by certain of the earlier writers quoted by Kellett were " wont to infest the muscles of the arms, calves, and back in young children." The starting-point for an alternative speculation on the nature of the "morgellons" may be found in the migration of Hypoderma larvae through skin to muscles, thence to the viscera, particularly of the thorax, and finally to the subcutaneous tissue of the back. It is accordingly suggested that the passage, " they critically break out with harsh Hairs, etc.," may refer to the subcutaneous localization of such parasites, with the subsidence of irritation of the respiratory tract. An intriguing pendant to this hypothesis is that, as Kellett has pointed out, the word "morgellons," though unique, is almost certainly derived via Provencal forms from muscula, a little fly.Dept. of Bacteriology King's College Newcastle-upon-Tyne. A. H. EMSLIE-SMI1H, M.B. REFERENCESBrowne, Sir Thomas. Works, ed. by Geoffrey Keynes, Faber and Gwyer, London, 1928. 1, 171. Brumpt, E. (1927). Prdcis de Parasitologie. Masson, Paris. Kellett, C. E. (1935). Annals of Medical History, 7, 467. McCarthy, D. F. (1945). British Medical Journal, 2, 135. Macleod, D. J. (1934). A Description of the Western Islands of Scotland, by M. Martin. Mackay, Stirling. Turner, R. G. (1945). British Medical Journal, 2, 11. Thank you Ginna, (it's funny because I just found it from Jo's post back in 08) from MDR Appreciate you posting it.
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Oct 30, 2011 12:17:11 GMT -5
Post by ginna898 on Oct 30, 2011 12:17:11 GMT -5
Lynn, I believe chemtrails and ALL other pollution including GMO pollution, fire retardants, chemicals and just about EVERYTHING reacts with each individual and their own unique immune system.
Morgellons most likely is an opportunistic disease based on our 'own' immune defense abilities which is different for everyone due to other KNOWN infection exposures obtained through life and our heredity (genetic disposition) prior to being exposed to morgellons -----which I believe can survive without a 'human' and is in the air, water, food, animals, etc.
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Oct 30, 2011 12:22:03 GMT -5
Post by toni on Oct 30, 2011 12:22:03 GMT -5
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Oct 30, 2011 12:24:14 GMT -5
Post by ginna898 on Oct 30, 2011 12:24:14 GMT -5
your welcome toni and I really like your halloween avitar
I do not think the CDC will be able to label all of us with mental illness because that just seems impossible because there is and will be many more of us and would make the CDC sound ridiculous to say this is "psychiatric"
crossing my fingers and praying that they release some information soon so that people can get real treatment and know the orgin so maybe even a cure can be discovered or they may already know it
this is all so frustrating and unfair --- we pay our taxes and the government should be working to help and protect us.... i sure want to believe that real bad
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Oct 30, 2011 12:29:47 GMT -5
Post by toni on Oct 30, 2011 12:29:47 GMT -5
your welcome toni and I really like your halloween avitar I do not think the CDC will be able to label all of us with mental illness because that just seems impossible because there is and will be many more of us and would make the CDC sound ridiculous to say this is "psychiatric" crossing my fingers and praying that they release some information soon so that people can get real treatment and know the orgin so maybe even a cure can be discovered or they may already know it this is all so frustrating and unfair --- we pay our taxes and the government should be working to help and protect us.... i sure want to believe that real bad Thank you, (about the ghostly avitar) and I sure agree with all you've said too. After I read about that director again this morn, I went on a rampage, writing EVERYONE I could find an email addy to from CDC to the Board of Scientific couselors and people inbetween. I'll sure keep you posted if I hear anything at all back. I even brought up the subject about that "Director" and demanded to know what is going on in regards to Morgs. So...a some steam let out - in a productive way I guess is how it helped. Hopefully someone will answer something.
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Oct 30, 2011 16:40:01 GMT -5
Post by Lynn on Oct 30, 2011 16:40:01 GMT -5
Hi Ginna
I hear you and lean that direction myself. The report I read today. Morgellons was know by a group back in 1945. Before Chem-trails were prevalent. Also seems Morgellons has cut loose along with the Chem-trails and GMO all at the same time. Like they are travel companions. The study says it is caused by a worm from a small fly. Yet in 1800 France a boy whose family may had lots of what was it Lead or Mercury had this disease?? Help me folks on that part. So trying to piece it together. Morgellons has morphed into something new with the chem-trails and GMO but is a little different when it was acknowledged back before becoming a delusional thingy. Could it be this fly Larva that cause Morgellons allow other toxins to become part of its disease? Like a Diabetic will have problems with circulation and healing and lose limbs. My great grandmother lost both her legs from diabetes. So in 1800 France did that little boy get the fly Larva while living in a mold or/and Lead laden environment that set in also to make the fibers grow. So in today's world did we all get infected with that fly Larva and then all those GMO,s and chem-trails with its high amounts of aluminum and bio-technology based of of bacteria then come on board to make it a twisted ugly disease? By looking at the past reports when it was not delusional and looking at what it is doing now we may pin point the culprit even though it has a lot of tag alongs.
Also I would not be surprised if the chemicals used on foods, lawns, chem-trails have some relation to that certain fly larva that is bombarding us. Just a thought of slight suspicion on what scientist do in their labs for the sake of money and patent rights. I think it would be nice to check out that area of that report and find a way to get tested for that particular type of Larva. Would it be nice to know if we all had it or not?
In Light Lynn/TorpedoLynn
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Oct 30, 2011 17:04:15 GMT -5
Post by itchin4answers on Oct 30, 2011 17:04:15 GMT -5
This seems to have been published in OCTOBER 2011 ---- Morgellons is a 'subgroup' of DI (Delusional Infestation) and more cases expected, ..... --- morgellons ARE patients with 'unusual presentations' of Delusional Infestation.and they expect 'more of us' in the future: "patients with unusual presentations of DI are likely to be seen more commonly in the future. ( In my opinion -----They ARE admitting that the "CUTANEOUS PATHOLOGY" is 'real' --- but CAUSED by the psychiatric disease!) __________________________________________________ www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21933231 The psychiatric disease is responsible for the cutaneous pathology. About 90% of patients with DI seek help from dermatologists, and most reject psychiatric referral. Thus, effective management requires incorporation of psychiatric principles. We report three cases of DI (Delusional Infestation) with inanimate materials, and examine ' Morgellons' disease. We believe that patients with unusual presentations of DI are likely to be seen more commonly in the future. These patients appear to be a subgroup of DI, and may be even more difficult to treat than other patients with DI. Thanks for the info. ginna. This makes me so WILD! I wouldn't mind so much if it were a psychiatric disease, I'd cop it on the chin & move on, but it ain't! I need to write more letters & demand answers from someone! this is total insanity - on the part of our corrupt governments & brown nosing doctors!! Sorry...I'm a little worked up.
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Oct 30, 2011 17:19:37 GMT -5
Post by imblownaway on Oct 30, 2011 17:19:37 GMT -5
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Oct 31, 2011 11:25:34 GMT -5
Post by toni on Oct 31, 2011 11:25:34 GMT -5
your welcome toni and I really like your halloween avitar I do not think the CDC will be able to label all of us with mental illness because that just seems impossible because there is and will be many more of us and would make the CDC sound ridiculous to say this is "psychiatric" crossing my fingers and praying that they release some information soon so that people can get real treatment and know the orgin so maybe even a cure can be discovered or they may already know it this is all so frustrating and unfair --- we pay our taxes and the government should be working to help and protect us.... i sure want to believe that real bad Thank you, (about the ghostly avitar) and I sure agree with all you've said too. After I read about that director again this morn, I went on a rampage, writing EVERYONE I could find an email addy to from CDC to the Board of Scientific couselors and people inbetween. I'll sure keep you posted if I hear anything at all back. I even brought up the subject about that "Director" and demanded to know what is going on in regards to Morgs. So...a some steam let out - in a productive way I guess is how it helped. Hopefully someone will answer something. Well, I've got a contact mail for someone in the Federal Advisory Committee at CDC from another one of the many emails I popped out yesterday. Apparently I'd written to the wrong place - but...it paid off, as here's a name and addy to see what we can find out - or actually to "push". I've written her, but there sure can't be enough letters sent out wanting to know what's going on with the study.www.cdc.gov/maso/FACM/facmhome.htm ((( CDC's Federal Advisory Committee))) whom I just wrote also this morn and anyone can too.
This is the letter below from Maggie who sent gave me CDC's (advisory committee's contact name and email).Please note that the GSA Committee Management Secretariat has no information regarding specific agencies and their operations. Your concerns would be more appropriately addressed to HHS and more specifically the leadership at the CDC. If your question is regarding the activities of a federal advisory committee at the CDC, you can contact Deborah McCannon ( Deborah.McCannon@hhs.gov ), the Committee Management Officer at HHS, for additional information. --------- Maggie Weber Committee Management Secretariat Office of Committee and Regulatory Management Office of Governmentwide Policy General Services Administration 1275 First Street, NE Room 655D Washington, DC. 20417
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Oct 31, 2011 12:22:44 GMT -5
Post by Jill on Oct 31, 2011 12:22:44 GMT -5
That was an interesting article from 1930 Toni - kinda funny- they call a BM a 'motion'. The article states that the larvae "do not appear to attack the intestinal mucosa". It's hard to tell if that is speculation or due to the fact that they had limited ability to confirm such things back in the day. Brings to mind the Morgellons 'paper': download.abstractcentral.com/ACG/proofs/P984.htmlSmall Bowel Capsule Findings Suggest that Morgellon's Disease has an Organic Basis and is Not Psychosomatic in Origin Note that the Morgellon's victim has "severe ulcerative skin condition" and "A video capsule was performed. This showed denuded villous patches in the jejunem, which were unusual for their sharply angulated appearance, similar to her skin lesions." That says it all- the skin is a mirror of what is going on inside the body. If that doesn't prove this is not a skin condition but rather systemic - then there needs to be more people submitting to that type of procedure. IMO, that is the sort of testing that the CDC should have been doing as relates to Morgellons, out of the gate. While we are at it- a new name is needed. Morgellons points to an age old condition. We now know that we are dealing with something far greater than that. My study over the years brings to mind the Bridal custom: Something old, Something new, Something borrowed, Something blue... The old could be Human Intestinal Myiasis and/or MYIASIS, "FILLAN, AND THE MORGELLONS". The new could be bioengineering/biowarfare related to the above Borrowed opens up a world of possibilities Blue- Fibers maybe? Ginna - you are welcome- I think the information at the NIH link has been the basis for all of those who believe this to be Myiasis/diptera related. Toni- thanks for the address! (CDC)
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Nov 1, 2011 9:48:34 GMT -5
Post by Lynn on Nov 1, 2011 9:48:34 GMT -5
Hi Jill
A lot of times I refer to my condition as Hyper Toxicity with low key Morgellons. Some of the Dr.s who treat Morgellons refer to it as Hyper Toxicity and I think the Tulsa research mentions it also? I really think it is a Hyper Toxicity and that the Morgellons is secondary and in unvaryingly degrees. Whew that was a mouth full of words for little ole me. lol.
In Light Lynn/TorpedoLynn
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