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Post by toni on Jan 24, 2012 14:39:16 GMT -5
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Post by homeworld on Jan 24, 2012 17:42:37 GMT -5
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Post by toni on Jan 24, 2012 17:48:20 GMT -5
Hi Homeworld,
Now that one sure does look different from the other. Your other pic (I'll get a side by side if that's okay) looks like a spiral.
And this picture above is more like an accordian hose. Reminds me of....hahaha the vacuum cleaner hose, (just joking) ;D - and wow, that's really odd isn't it?
Are you able to pick this one up with a fine tipped needle while it's under the scope? Sort of like (if you can) take a picture while it's hanging from the needle.
Thank you if you can.
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Post by toni on Jan 24, 2012 17:51:13 GMT -5
Wow, I just now looked at your "beat up dryer vent hose", hahah it DOES look like that doesn't it and my goodness, that one got (a gut acid beating or something) it seems. GREAT pictures though, seriously, you're taking excellent pictures!
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Post by homeworld on Jan 24, 2012 18:07:16 GMT -5
...the confusing bit...if these "slinky's"/spring things are "from" plants, is that so many of them appear to be heavily involved with the pigmented gels...are found in groups..bind into "ropes" made of many slinkys..and those "ropes" of slinky's fuse into obects that look like "alien plants". tinyurl.com/7pbktny...pic of a few slinky critters that appear to be growing out of a pile of "morg gel"..individual gel particles are visible.
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Post by toni on Jan 24, 2012 18:15:33 GMT -5
This is just a side by side of the (springy/spiral) one you first posted. And then the "accordian like one" that looks like a "critter" sort of - that's ingested something. But, it could be part of the plant system too. The "phoebe"?? Gosh, I'm off on that, but do you know what I mean? I should look at the plant anatomy again, I don't remember all the parts. I know we may view this differently as we all have our opinions, and I'm glad you're posting these, because who really knows what they are. They "imho" just remind me of plant parts, but ...I'm only going on pictures and comparisons. And thank you for sharing these as they're very interesting.
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Post by toni on Jan 24, 2012 18:20:32 GMT -5
...the confusing bit...if these "slinky's"/spring things are "from" plants, is that so many of them appear to be heavily involved with the pigmented gels...are found in groups..bind into "ropes" made of many slinkys..and those "ropes" of slinky's fuse into obects that look like "alien plants". tinyurl.com/7pbktny...pic of a few slinky critters that appear to be growing out of a pile of "morg gel"..individual gel particles are visible. I've made your picture smaller to fit easily here, and I'm curious (can you give me some background on this one)? I don't know if you fished it out "of the bowl".....or was it something different sitting on your slide for awhile, and then those "slinky" things grew over time. Can you help me understand how it came about? Thanks
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Post by homeworld on Jan 24, 2012 18:44:33 GMT -5
Hi Homeworld, Are you able to pick this one up with a fine tipped needle while it's under the scope? Sort of like (if you can) take a picture while it's hanging from the needle. Thank you if you can. ...to be able to manipulate these very small specimens, I will need to acquire "serious microbiology " needles [about 1/10 the diameter of standard sewing needles]. "normal" needles are just too damn big. As you can see with the below pic, moving the specimens with a sewing needle would be something like picking up the cat with a forklift. tinyurl.com/6u4hbe2
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Post by toni on Jan 24, 2012 19:13:45 GMT -5
hehehehehe I couldn't help but laugh about the comparison realization you said. (like picking up a cat with a fork lift) ;D Yes, I sure do know what you mean. Sewing needles ARE like using a baseball bat to pick up a granule of salt. I sure can relate, it can be next to impossible. Thank you for putting the side by side there too. www.bing.com/images/search?q=Xylem+Tubes&view=detail&id=761AC0079EE4164708CD78FE5140D452858BD527&first=61&FORM=IDFRIRThis is just a link with lots of "plant part names", and that tubule I agree, it looks like a critter that swallowed something too (your picture) but, then again, you've got some really great magnification and could be seeing "parts" that aren't usually or normally seen "within a plant". I wish I could help more figure out what those things are. I'd gotten the tiniest "plant seed" out of my face once, and it was down inside "the tunnel" of my lesion and was quite shocking to me. Also, depending on what we eat, (might be) - not saying it is, but, it might be a contributing factor. Another (I don't know though) as only you'd know that for sure. My old scope that had very high magnification (doesn't have any picture taking ability) and I found that the more magnification I had, the less I knew what I was looking at. I'd see things and couldn't differentiate if it was plant or animal/*critter. But, it's great to be able to see things "in details" like you've got with your fantastic pictures. Do you have more? Thanks.
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Post by homeworld on Jan 24, 2012 19:29:58 GMT -5
..in regard to "where do the "slinkys"/coily objects come from..the following short vid should give you an idea of their habitat. Not any good "coily" specimens in this particular vid.. www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKGWqtqMhwM** recorded at 480p, so it still looks reasonably good in full screen. [...not that having an endless vista of morg gels is a good thing..] ...the pace of the panning is rather frantic; i put this vid together when I was still having to cope with a dial up connection.. [ vids had to be very short or the upload would never happen] decided that having a rather "frantic" scanning video avail at YT was better than no video at all. *been on a cable modem since march, so the "dial up restrictions" went buhbye.. *** I have..15 or so public morg vids on my channel..something for everyone. Not many with audio...not really trying to be "entertaining" usuall..mostly just documenting my observations. I could reshoot this "gut gel" vid..and slow the panning down.. probably will do so...whenever I can get Bach to it... *facepalm*
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Post by toni on Jan 24, 2012 19:50:35 GMT -5
Excellent, I just watched. And good thing that panning person was "sacked" hehehe
I'm playing, because IF I didn't, I could scream, seriously because we know what should be, and what shouldn't be happening.
I did notice a few "Demodex" in there too.
At 139 on that video, is a GREAT shot of one. Seemed like lots of other "things" too, and I do see what you mean.
Something I've noticed, and whether or not it is, ... because I sure haven't the slightest fact for that matter is, the (accumulation) of the gooey gunky debris, just keeps reminding me of "plant material" because of the gooey stretchy and when it dries it hardens, is called the mucilage too in plants.
Maybe we have the accumulation because we eat them, but...something is very wrong and we know that, because it's not suppose to be expressed out our skin just because we eat a salad.
One thing too "cellulose cannot" be degraded by humans. We don't have those enzymes built in, so if we eat lettuce for instance, or herbal supplements, it really can go "straight through" without being affected.
But, if I go back on the Agrobacterium kick, then...as we know, agro has the potential and 100% capacity to mix or mutate with our bacteria and any other DNA (like our genetically implemented with all kinds of fungi and bacteriums and viruses that are in our foods) and then while it's in our guts. And then it's up to whatever at that point, that can take place or not.
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Post by skizit on Jan 24, 2012 20:12:23 GMT -5
itchin, nice song. Toni, would that have come from something he ate or a plant growing in the digestive tract or skin.
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Post by homeworld on Jan 24, 2012 21:23:49 GMT -5
itchin, nice song. Toni, would that have come from something he ate or a plant growing in the digestive tract or skin. definitely things that look like plants growing down there.. they get..big. ...micro fibers twist into braided "ropes"..then fuse into what looks like branches.. pic of a 30 mm [over an inch long] specimen sitting on a slide parked on the microscope stage. lighting really messed up..but it does give an idea of how the micro stuff can just keep ...growing. curezone.com/upload/_M_Forums/Morgellons/FHW/big_alien7jun10.jpg
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Post by toni on Jan 24, 2012 21:28:07 GMT -5
itchin, nice song. Toni, would that have come from something he ate or a plant growing in the digestive tract or skin. Hi Skizit, I sure don't know if it's (food gone through) or not. I know I've examined (lots) under the scope too, and even a seed from a strawberry had me freaked out at first till I was able to "match it up". But, as for (if) agro is playing any part in Morgs, well, my opinion is, that it is. I look at it more like (Crown Galls), sort of "warty like growths" of tumors, of mucins and cellulose etc is more what I think "could" be possible. And from those "galls growths", I don't know what all can happen. There's been law suits because people allergic to something specific then (ate something else, a gmo food) yet...the entity they were allergic to (unexpectedly expressed from some other food they'd eaten - because GMO's (tweaked DNA's) are not predictable). Agro and Bt (imho) are two dangerous bacteria's for human bodies. One can shut down the immune, and the other can cause mutations or combinations of DNA "outcomes", and theoretically, it is possible. But, if that's what's happening, in any way shape or form, I couldn't say. I really don't have any way to know what Homeworld's (specimens are for fact), but....I can't help but want to know too, and well, that's all one can do.
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Post by homeworld on Jan 24, 2012 22:37:12 GMT -5
...it amazing how aggressive the fibers can get when the conditions for growth get..."just right". ..it's bizarre enough that cellulose fibers [and other types] are growing in/on the humans..but when they "get their fur up", they grow..mass..swarm..tangle in amazing numbers. tinyurl.com/7nbjr8l...this level of activity can only be hazardous to the organs and systems. ...fortunately, this level of insane fiber expression has not been the rule over the last year...at least most of the time. ...a year ago, 120-140 mm long fibers in the urine and stool were routine. I had them taped to a mirror in the bathroom to keep track of the champions. Took them down after awhile.. [it would be a bit hard to explain to the landlords "maintenance goon squad" when they inevitably drop in to "check something or another".]
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Post by Baraka Obam on Jan 24, 2012 23:27:16 GMT -5
Now this double spiral actually looks like it has grown together with another, I have not seen this before but this is the stuff. These are the end result of this vine looking thing that breaks down into smaller pieces, inside the vine is many of these they look more like a ocean plant. If you see the vine you would never know these bundles of spirals are inside it until it is broken up as it looks like it has the poo stuck to it, like it was at one time stuck to the colon wall, not like it was in the poo being digested. Now I do not eat the same thing every day, ever, never, i would doubt I can find anything I do eat with formations like this inside it. In fact because I did not have so much time to prepare food I was eating out and that means not much in the way of vegetable matter. Now we see it in one more person, I am quite sure this is it, but the double helicle is just a tad different, and the main part the thick vein part with all of these bundled springs inside is missing. ONE VERY IMPORTANT LAST THING, if this is food, why is it also in the URINE.
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Post by toni on Jan 25, 2012 9:54:31 GMT -5
Now this double spiral actually looks like it has grown together with another, I have not seen this before but this is the stuff. These are the end result of this vine looking thing that breaks down into smaller pieces, inside the vine is many of these they look more like a ocean plant. If you see the vine you would never know these bundles of spirals are inside it until it is broken up as it looks like it has the poo stuck to it, like it was at one time stuck to the colon wall, not like it was in the poo being digested. Now I do not eat the same thing every day, ever, never, i would doubt I can find anything I do eat with formations like this inside it. In fact because I did not have so much time to prepare food I was eating out and that means not much in the way of vegetable matter. Now we see it in one more person, I am quite sure this is it, but the double helicle is just a tad different, and the main part the thick vein part with all of these bundled springs inside is missing. ONE VERY IMPORTANT LAST THING, if this is food, why is it also in the URINE. Homeworld, Are you seeing the coily springs (the things that look like plant xylem) in your urine? Thank you.
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Post by Baraka Obam on Jan 25, 2012 10:10:18 GMT -5
Look closely homeworld you will see them not so often but when you do they will be seen better if the urine is left to dry on the slide, you will have to look closely, as it is there infrequently but it is there.
I have only seen the coils alone in the urine, not any of the vine looking thing that they come from. the spiral was still tightly wound meaning to me the membrane that holds it together was not yet dissolved.
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Post by toni on Jan 25, 2012 11:01:31 GMT -5
Look closely homeworld you will see them not so often but when you do they will be seen better if the urine is left to dry on the slide, you will have to look closely, as it is there infrequently but it is there. I have only seen the coils alone in the urine, not any of the vine looking thing that they come from. the spiral was still tightly wound meaning to me the membrane that holds it together was not yet dissolved. Just a note: If anything is left on a scope slide, it needs covered carefully too, because I'd noticed long ago, that fibers (just normal) fibers that float in the air will land on the slide as well as everywhere. Here's a tester: Just hang a "sticky trap" anywhere in your house. Fibers will stick to it because they're everywhere. If anyone has any fabric in their home, sofa, chairs, sheets and blankets, clothing, or a clothes dryer, you'd be surprised at how much we kick up every day, or that's just naturally in the air. I'm NOT saying "ALL" fibers are "just from fabrics". Because fibers from fungi and bacteria are also "in any dust" that might be in one's house, and we all have dust, because it's impossible to not. It is fact, that "dust harbors" mites of all kinds - as well as fungal spores and bacterial spores. The more moisture or humidity, the more "junk" we don't need, because all living things (as far as I know) need moisture to thrive. Or they can go into a dormancy stage if or when there's no moisture, and then kick back into gear once there is. But all I'm trying to express is, IF anyone leaves a slide under their scope uncovered, not only will the glass slide *seem* to collect "fibers", but, if they'll examine their table top or desk where their scope is sitting ontop of, they'd see too, it's just not the slide that has "fibers", the floor, the desk, the keyboard, everything has minute fibers, because they're in the air and they land everywhere. It would seem "they're only on the slide" (because) that's the only place one is looking. Please look everywhere, or cover the specimens. Sorry for just rambling, it's just thoughts coming to mind. Here's an easier way to see they're everywhere. Just take a piece of scotch tape, and do stick-sticks with it anywhere and everywhere. Then scope your tape, it will be loaded with them.
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Post by toni on Jan 25, 2012 11:11:33 GMT -5
Fungal spores, commonly called mold spores, are a normal component of the outdoor air. They are present in the atmosphere anytime that the ground is not covered with ice or snow. The spores are discharged from fungi growing as saprophytes (existing on dead or decaying organic matter is the soil or elsewhere in the environment) or parasites (infecting living tissues - most are plant pathogens). Many species of fungi are found as leaf surface microorganisms where they exist on organic matter produced by the plant. Concentrations outdoors can be high, especially in the late summer or fall. We have occasionally recorded hourly concentrations in Tulsa above 100,000 spores per cubic meter of air.
(there's just no getting away from it) we walk outside, we open our windows, or our door to go in and out, it's just everywhere. pollen.utulsa.edu/Spores/Indoor.htm
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