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Post by homeworld on Dec 20, 2011 20:02:55 GMT -5
First post in this forum. I should be saying something..clever I suppose but am feeling too...fogged. [an hour slides by..] [This is not going well...] A picture is worth 1,000 words..so they say.. so will post a recent "self exam" vid to demonstrate some of the...umm..."morg induced annoyances" that I am dealing with. Large lesion on right leg explored with camera set for 20x magnification. Large quantities of fibers are evident during probing. Fibers removed from lesion observed under higher magnification. [160x and 400x] www.youtube.com/watch?v=dY3LIjONyCQ
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Post by Lynn on Dec 21, 2011 11:55:09 GMT -5
Oh My Homeworld
Sympathy pains sympathy pains. I could hardly bear watching that. I am so sorry what you are going through. I wonder if a fungal soap fallowed by a mustard solution would help you.
In Light Lynn/TorpedoLynn
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Post by simone on Dec 21, 2011 23:01:04 GMT -5
I'd be a liar if I said I did not do that. Ok but not very often, I found the more you pick the worse it got and bigger too. Best to leave it scab over... your body will in turn try do the healing process. Good to put an oinment or lotion (mix) after shower. Peroxide might help also antibiotics if its bad. Try not to scatch it even tho it's itchy.
Hugs and Welcome to LB.
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Post by homeworld on Dec 25, 2011 17:37:47 GMT -5
...another view of the same lesion five days later. The size of the lesion has not changed, but the inflammation outer boundary is growing lesions of it's own. After multiple cleanings, systemic inflammation has decreased. [the lesion is low on the calf, the entire leg was starting to ache, walking was painful] Suspect that lymphatic system was/is being overwhelmed by morg trash. As is usual with these lesions, there is no evidence of a bacterial infection. [ I suspect that the morg dissolves/phages bacteria just as it melts and "eats" skin] tinyurl.com/7uplbmkI had been ignoring this lesion for weeks, as it continued to grow. When the inflammation just kept spreading and the lesion kept growing, it was time to go to "Plan B"..attack the "plastic" scab with Resolve and clean out the debris. Scab is being cleaned out daily; it rebuilds with amazing speed. Resolve does a good job of softening the "plastic" like scab, which is to be expected if the gels are hemicellulose. The tough crystalline fibers are not noticeably affected by direct applications of Resolve.[undiluted].
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Post by homeworld on Dec 27, 2011 12:16:08 GMT -5
Here's a wider view with the macro camera.. easier to see what's really going on. Basic problem is that despite leaving the lesion alone for several weeks, it just keeps melting skin and growing. In this view you can see how the skin is being damaged to a distance of over a "lesion diameter" away. tinyurl.com/6sod9owIn addition, at the time this pic was taken, the calf was swollen and the leg was aching almost to the hip.. to the point that walking was painful. ..two weeks pass The general inflammation has subsided, but the lesion is still in business. ...the war continues. Daily softening of the "plastic"/gel mass of the lesion with "Resolve" [F6] and removing the gooey debris seems to have slowed the progression of the skin damage and helped reduced the inflammation of the leg. The particles continue to accumulate at the lesion site at a depressing rate. I am getting the impression that all of the morg particles are jumping out of the blood system at this site; they are not dispersing all over the leg and making many smaller lesions; they are making ONE lesion. They ...are cooperating with each other? *cue "X-Files" theme*
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Post by xiblanque on Dec 27, 2011 13:18:03 GMT -5
Hypoclorous Acid as a biocide for treatment of lesions... Hi Chewy... Homeworld... and everyone else. I am not an advocate of using bleach to treat lesions. However, this information from the Debra Canada link is very interesting. It describes the use of a very weak hypoclorous acid used to treat lesions. The treatment has been used on the writer's child, Gavin, when he was an infant suffering with recessive dystrophic epidermolysis bullosa. Warning, some of the images from this site are graphic. It is the description of the hypoclorous acid that I thought many here may appreciate and use to find some relief. Warning... adding bleach and vinegar together DOES create an acid that gives off harmful fumes. These fumes may cause lung damage or overwhelm anyone in the immediate area. I highly recommend exercising caution and thoroughly reading the information at the link below BEFORE mixing any of these substances. Having said that, the mixture below was used to successfully treat an infant child.debracanada.org/bleach-bath excerpt from the above link... The secret ingredient in this process is hypochlorous acid (HOCL) which forms when the sodium hypochlorite in bleach is added to water having a pH of 6.5 or less. Hypochlorous acid has rapid biocidal activity against all human pathogenic bacteria, fungi and viruses but no health or safety risks. This “secret” will come as no surprise to swimming pool or hot tub owners. The chlorine solution they pour into the water breaks down into several chemicals including hypochlorous acid which kills bacteria and microorganisms in seconds. But it was news to us, and if you are struggling with a skin infection, we hope it will be good news to you. If you want to try it, here’s what to do. Procedure 1.Take a long, soaking bath and remove all dressings, patches, creams, dead skin, exudate, dirt, etc. Gavin soaks over an hour in Aveeno Daily Moisturizing Bath with Natural Colloidal Oatmeal which is designed to clean the skin without soap. Whatever you use, the object is to get your entire body as clean as you can. Then drain the tub and rinse it out so that no soap scum or other debris remains behind. 2.Refill the tub with clean, warm water, get in and relax. 3.Test the pH of the water with test strips used for swimming pools. pH measures the acidity or alkalinity of a solution on a scale from 0 to 14. Making sure that your bathwater is the right pH is critical to the success of this procedure. We use “hth Test Strips” made by Arch Chemicals, Inc. that we buy at Walmart. One box contains 50 strips and each strip tests for chlorine, pH and total alkalinity. Follow the directions on the box and determine the pH of you bathwater by dunking the strip in the bathwater and comparing the color on the strip with a color chart on the box. The pH of our bathwater is usually 7.2 or greater. 4.If the pH of your bathwater is 6.5 or more, lower it to something less than 6.5. Begin with 1/3 cup of vinegar, stir the bathwater, and test the pH. If the pH is still too high, lower it by adding more vinegar in 1/3 cup increments until the pH indicator on the test strip turns yellow. The pH color scale on our box doesn’t go lower than 6.4 but the indicator on the strip turns a brighter yellow as the pH goes lower and the water becomes more acid. The rule of thumb is – make sure the pH is less than 6.4 but not so low that the increased acidity becomes painful. In our case, we use 2/3 cup of vinegar to obtain the right pH. 5.Now — and only now — are you ready to kill germs by the millions by adding Clorox or any household bleach. The sodium hypochlorite in the bleach reacts with water to form hypochlorous acid — a powerful disinfectant that kills bacteria within seconds without harming your skin. But remember: this acid only forms in significant amounts if the pH is equal to or lower than 6.5. Otherwise you will get hypochlorite ions which also kill germs but much less effectively. 6.Begin by adding two teaspoons of bleach, then stir the water and test. Look at the Free Chlorine indicator on the strip. It should be getting darker. The Free Chlorine indicator measures the concentration of hypochlorous acid, provided that the pH of the water is 6.5 or less. Now add another two teaspoons and test, and then another two, taking care between each addition to make sure the solution in the water is not becoming too painful. We try to get the Free Chlorine to match the darkest colored square on the color chart, which is about 10 ppm (parts per million) and keep it there during the bath. We use about 9 teaspoons of Clorox which we add in increments over 30 minutes. Gavin soaks for about 50 minutes from beginning to end. Before you add each increment of bleach, check the pH and keep it below 6.5 by using small amounts of vinegar. As you soak in the bath, your own body can cause the pH to rise, so test often. We seldom need to add any but you might depending on the pH of your water. Also during the bath, some of the hypochlorous acid will combine with dead skin cells and other microscopic debris from your body and become unavailable to kill germs. You may need to add some bleach to keep the Free Chlorine from falling. During the bath, we use a few capfuls of “hth Water Moisturizer for Spas”, which we also get at Walmart, to protect the skin from excessive drying. It seems to help and doesn’t affect the Free Chlorine values. You may want to try it. 7.After this bath, we drain the tub and refill it for another brief soak to get the chlorine off. We usually add some more Water Moisturizer and also 1/2 cup of vinegar so that the water stays slightly acid. This soak lasts no more than 5 minutes. You could shower or spray if you want but Gavin finds a soak less painful. 8.For days that Gavin doesn’t bathe, we mix the solution in a bottle and spray it on between dressing changes. We use 2 cups water, 1ML vinegar, and 6-8 drops of Clorox. Use test strips to test and adjust the solution. Results Before we tried this procedure, Gavin was suffering from a widespread pseudomonas aeruginosa skin infection. If you’ve had it, you know the green slime and distinctive odor that some call sweet but which reminds me slightly of airplane glue. Even after a bath and re-dressing, the slime was never gone and you could smell the odor wherever he went. Wound cultures showed heavy growth of the stuff. We tried all sorts of remedies and were considering yet another round of intravenous antibiotics which is the standard medical treatment. After one bath, the slime and smell were completely gone but began to reappear within a day. As we fine tuned the procedure, we were able to suppress it totally and have seen no evidence of infection of any kind for two weeks. Moreover, the wounds which had stubbornly refused to heal for months are beginning to shrink and produce less exudate. Right now, Gavin bathes every other day. On days he doesn’t bathe, we spray the solution in between dressing changes.
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Post by Lynn on Dec 28, 2011 0:28:56 GMT -5
Hi Xib
The vinegar in my mixture really whacked the bio-film to near nothing most of the time with rare small flare ups, but it took a long time to get to the point of knowing how much vinegar to use. So great on biofilm.
In Light Lynn
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Post by homeworld on Dec 28, 2011 11:01:51 GMT -5
Sometimes the lesions take a path that enables them to get absurdly large. [GODZILLA class lesions] The normal immune defenses that arrive at the site seem powerless to make a dent on the mOrg intruders. I have noticed that large lesions invariably form a ring of tough "tissue" around the periphery of the lesion. With patience, luck and a rather high pain threshold, one can remove the entire ring, more or less intact; it looks like skinny doughnut. Once this "fiber wall" forms, there does not seem to be any progress of healthy tissue toward the lesion center from the "clean" side of the "wall". Since the "good guys" are not making progress vs the mOrg, the "wall" does not seem to be working for the "good guys". It may be that the mORg are walling themselves from the counter attacks of the immune system and the invasion of healthy skin cells. With the "wall" intact, the contests appears to be essentially stalemated...trench warfare that goes nowhere fast. Only the depth of the lesion crater increases and the inflammation of the general area increases. If the ring is removed...[many times, as it is VERY persistent in replacing itself in a few hours] will the lesion grow?..or will the healthy skin gain territory on the lesion side? ..will find out soon. Pic of a portion of the lesion "wall" removed from the Godzilla lesion on the right leg. The "wall" material is NOT skin, it does not dissolve in bleach; it appears to be made of the same sort of polysaccharide material that makes up the cellulose ribbon fibers. [hemicellulose perhaps?] tinyurl.com/7be55uwview of fibrous ring; left side has white fiber tissue sticking to the ring when it was pulled from the lesion. *have repeated this "remove the ring" routine several times now. Pretreating the lesion with Resolve/F-6 makes this easier and a lot less painful. The Resolve softens up the "fake scab" tissue into a gooey gel. This indicates that the tough and reflective "scab" is actually made of polysaccharides...cellulose and hemicellulose. [...humans are not supposed to be doing this..just saying..] .
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Post by homeworld on Dec 29, 2011 10:18:02 GMT -5
Removing the ring wall results in new skin rapidly being laid on the lesion side of the ring wall "channel". This is a good omen. tinyurl.com/cxrjjzpLesion is now 1/4 inch smaller in diameter overall...in one day. Compared to the weeks of "stalemate"...it looks like the immune system is running a Blitzkrieg on the lesion. Now to see if the "reconquest" can be sustained. At this rate, the lesion should be healed over ..more or less.. in a week. We shall see.
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Post by homeworld on Dec 31, 2011 14:51:11 GMT -5
...I have examined the debris that has been cleaned from this large lesions on several occasions. ..finally got around to recording what the mess looks like under the microscope and parking a video on YT. tinyurl.com/75as3fk.
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Post by homeworld on Jan 5, 2012 0:05:20 GMT -5
...in a pathetic attempt to avoid another epsom salt bath , decided to soak the single large leg lesion with a pad soaked in an warm epsom salt solution. ...was [sort of] surprised to see how much fiber trash ended up in the water bowl. What the heck, lets take a look and see whats there. [ALL of the usual suspects...] tinyurl.com/83nsj6y....did shoot some video of this ratpile of fibers, but that will have to wait; don't have enough useable brain left..seems the new batch of melatonin is hitting me like a hammer....odd, only took 3 mg.. ...a year or so ago, was taking 15 mg to try and "crowbar" a morg hijacked body into sleep. That much melatonin can't be helpful in the long run. It's a good sign that 1/5 the dosage is now sufficient to "push buttons and pull levers". ...I keep telling myself that I MUST be making SOME progress.. I recall "redlining" on maxiumum recommended doses of ibuprofin AND tylenols at the same time back in 2007-08 trying to keep the pain level to a level where I could still move around, get thru a day at work, etc. I'm not taking ANY pain meds for the most part...certainly nothing on a daily schedule. Maybe that's a bit of progress. [...and to the so called "doctor" with 30 something years of "practice"...who insisted that I had MS without so much as a single test..and could not even be bothered to get thru a routine physical..."how many fingers am I holding up, "doc"?"] *..the "good doc" was entirely into pushing his patients to his "good buddies" at the MRI/CAT scan emporium..nothing like splitting that $10,000 per patient for high tech imaging service to make that yacht payment. Mamma needs a new Bimmer this year you know. .
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Post by skizit on Jan 5, 2012 14:15:08 GMT -5
Homeworld, I would ask you to go to a physician with this one. This is leishmaniasis! Please do not take a bath where this wound is open to bath water. This is a very dangerous lesion and you need to go see a doctor immediately!
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Post by homeworld on Jan 5, 2012 18:27:17 GMT -5
...another day..another few more mm of Homeworld recovered from the eeeevil mOrg. tinyurl.com/7q64bbn...despite the distressing amount of morg fibers being removed from this lesion, [this morning's "perp walk"] tinyurl.com/879l75vthe Homeworld Home Guard is having repeated successes in recovering that which was stolen by the forces of mOrgness. ...the lesion is shrinking by several mm a day.. this monster is going down! ...at this rate, all of the damaged area will be back under the control of the white cell cavalry within a week.. ...new skin growing as a brisk pace... .......gonna take a while longer for the damaged skin in the neighborhood [~3 inches dia] to get replaced. ...wonder how big a "white spot" imma' gonna' end up with? [ skin pigments tend to be missing after a morg attack..very odd] . *
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Post by toni on Jan 5, 2012 20:07:14 GMT -5
...another day..another few more mm of Homeworld recovered from the eeeevil mOrg. tinyurl.com/7q64bbn...despite the distressing amount of morg fibers being removed from this lesion, [this morning's "perp walk"] tinyurl.com/879l75vthe Homeworld Home Guard is having repeated successes in recovering that which was stolen by the forces of mOrgness. ...the lesion is shrinking by several mm a day.. this monster is going down! ...at this rate, all of the damaged area will be back under the control of the white cell cavalry within a week.. ...new skin growing as a brisk pace... .......gonna take a while longer for the damaged skin in the neighborhood [~3 inches dia] to get replaced. ...wonder how big a "white spot" imma' gonna' end up with? [ skin pigments tend to be missing after a morg attack..very odd] * Hi Homeworld, Wow you sure do have some incredible pictures. Can I ask what kind of a scope you're using? And I'm very sorry about that horrible lesion you've got (as shown in your picture above). I know you're concerned about the "white scar" it may leave, as most deep cuts or sores can. What happens with our skin pigments the (melanocytes) which are the pigments that color our hair, and our skin - if they're disrupted - meaning that being if a flesh wound is deep enough - those *melanocytes* then get "disturbed or destroyed"... that's what causes the skin to lose it's coloring. That's why scratches for instance (don't leave scars/white marks) because they're not deep enough in the skin to reach those little melanocytes. But, if the wound is deep... then they can be at risk.
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Post by skizit on Jan 5, 2012 20:28:30 GMT -5
Homeworld, have you been bitten by a sandfly? tht is the but that carries the big Leish. It is seriou stuff. i'm gla you are having success at shrinking the sore, but there are more symptoms you can't see. Good work getting that sore to reduce in size, they usually just get bigger. I'm a little scared for you.
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Post by homeworld on Jan 5, 2012 22:23:49 GMT -5
Hi Homeworld, Wow you sure do have some incredible pictures. Can I ask what kind of a scope you're using? ...for the low mag pics [20/40x] I am using a Celestron 44306 usb microscope. for the higher magnifications, I am detaching the 2 MB imager and attaching it to the eyepiece of a conventional bench microscope. curezone.com/upload/_M_Forums/Morgellons/FHW/strange/celestron_44306.jpg^^ old screenshot, not a real link to amazonia. current price is within a dollar or two.
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Post by homeworld on Jan 5, 2012 22:36:45 GMT -5
Homeworld, have you been bitten by a sandfly? tht is the but that carries the big Leish. It is seriou stuff. i'm gla you are having success at shrinking the sore, but there are more symptoms you can't see. Good work getting that sore to reduce in size, they usually just get bigger. I'm a little scared for you. ...I was not bitten by a bug. This big lesion started out in the manner of all mOrg lesions, it just kept getting bigger and deeper. The concept of "live and let live, it will eventually heal" was a failed strategy. Lesion was appx mid calf, appx 4 inches below the knee on the "trailing/rear" side. This was a strange event in that no other lesions initially were in the neighborhood. It was as if every particle of morg gunk drove directly to this ONE lesion site and dumped itself there. Got a rude wake up call when I noticed that a ring of lesions were starting at [more or less] exactly one lesion diameter from the main lesion.. ...a ring of lesions? wth? The calf was getting very swollen, and observing shooting pains all the way to the groin. The lymph nodes seemed to be utterly packed up with morg crap and inflammatory materials [cytokines, white cell responses, and whatever bad chemistry was being pumped out of the lesion crater] ...began aggressive attacks on the lesion.. coating the lesion cap with F-6 several times a day, debridement and cleaning out as much goo as I could soften and remove. Some very aggressive fiber growth, the white "tissue" was actually fibers/cellulose...very tough and very tightly attached to deep tissue [waay below the upper levels of the epidermis/cornified layers.]. ...daily removal of the "cellulose"/hemicellulose ring that always regrew within hours of removal, and seems to act as a shield vs the immune system to keep the morg chemistry intact. endless dusting of the seeping lesion with talcum. theory was that filling the soggy goo with talcum might interfere with the particle movement that is necessary to build strong structures. Adding talcum seemed to encourage further fluid production and seepage...however, the scab structures did seem to be less "organized", less dense...and easily dissolved by F6 enzymes. .... ...lost where i was going..asleep at the keyboard.. realll short on sleep yesterday..er..this morning. ...need to crash in the bed..not at the puter desk... ...but..before I pull the plug..will post one of the stranger "particles" I've found so far.. apparently it's a "#7 particle". *stare* tinyurl.com/82qy5qk.
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Post by homeworld on Jan 6, 2012 20:59:19 GMT -5
...a ring of small lesions had developed about an inch away from the "really big lesion". These "satellites" are also healing. Once again I observe the metallic looking shards making an appearance amid the morg goo in the center of the lesion. tinyurl.com/6ofwrlr...and a slightly closer look at the silvery "ufo's". * *unidentified floating objects tinyurl.com/7wsavdv.
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Post by homeworld on Jan 7, 2012 10:15:48 GMT -5
Hi Homeworld, Wow you sure do have some incredible pictures. Can I ask what kind of a scope you're using? ...for the low mag pics [20/40x] I am using a Celestron 44306 usb microscope. for the higher magnifications, I am detaching the 2 MB imager and attaching it to the eyepiece of a conventional bench microscope. curezone.com/upload/_M_Forums/Morgellons/FHW/strange/celestron_44306.jpg^^ old screenshot, not a real link to amazonia. current price is within a dollar or two. ___________________________________________________ Good news for those seeking low cost "picture taking" microscopes. Celestron has improved the old 44302 usb camera.. the "302-A" has been upgraded to use the same imaging chip that is installed on the more expensive 44306 model. tinyurl.com/7sn7pjbI have an older version "302" usb cam. After 2.5 years and thousands of pics, it still works ok. The 1.3 megapixel imager is not as good as the "306" model, [of which I have owned 3]. Now, with the 2 MP imager, the 302 is ALMOST as good as the 306, that costs nearly twice as much. The 302 will only produce a 150x magnification when connected to a computer vs the 306's 200x. Also, the led light on the 302 cannot be turned off [which can be a limitation for some uses] and the intensity cannot be adjusted. Also , the imager cannot be detached ..and installed into a bench microscope. However..if those limitations do not interfere with your purposes, the 302 is now a really good deal for under $40 dollars. Be aware that despite the ad copy, the Celestron usb scopes do not ship with MAC support software on the cd roms. MAC software that works with the Celestron cams is available from third party sources on the internet. The software works just fine with Windows XP/Vista/Windows 7. I'ver run it on all three. *actually, I discovered that the Windows software will drive the cameras at a basic function level even without installing the ArcSoft drivers, [but there is no real reason to do that.. unless you lose the driver disk someday...] FYI
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Post by toni on Jan 7, 2012 10:36:39 GMT -5
Homeworld,
Thank you for the added info on the scope.
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