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Post by Baraka Obam on Feb 15, 2013 12:07:42 GMT -5
The researchers can say what they will but the fact of the matter is this.
i am living proof that this disease was around 40 years ago.
I am also quite sure that most people in insane asylums that were digging and itching themselves like they had bugs were even earlier signs that this disease existed before man could diagnose it.
How many of these itching people were casualties of bad doctors and pre described disease, if the person feels like they have bugs under the skin they are insane, just think about that.
I am quite sure people that have had this for many years without lesions or itching are called hypochondriacs.
The fact of the matter, we have one in our family, she has always had unending problems, hair thinning, rashes, hormonal problems, thyroid, and arthritis is she a liar, I think not.
She has been complaining for so many years, about her issues.
Anyway, what I was beginning to rant about was the so called researchers and their last word on all of this.
I am pretty sure if I remember right the plane spraying started in the early 1990s, I was already sick near 20 years then, NANO was not around in the 1970s when I got this, what was around was war, war and a ever increasing study of how to eradicate man from the surface of this planet.
GMO has been around for not such a long time either, it may have affected us, but still I doubt it is the cause.
You have to remember all the information, I am a big part of that information,a man living with this caught it 40 years ago in a military outpost that had a huge sex market right outside its gates, over 2000 registered prostitutes.
Military + war + soldier that rotates duty stations every year transfers all over the world + sex playgrounds everywhere the soldiers are stationed + overuse of antibiotics + possibility of biological weapon use by the enemy of the United States + 3rd world country disease morphed made stronger by the overuse of these antibiotics because of the huge incidents of Venereal Disease + soldiers living outside in nature and subjected to such things as insect transferred disease, malaria, Lyme and what ever else that can be transferred on gods green earth.
That is the nutshell of this disease, there are others, like the crimes committed with the food being fed to the soldiers, mass inoculations of military personnel, water born pathogens still there were to many of the soldiers showing signs of this, not all exact, but signs of disease they never had, now they are paying with their lives.
What do we all have in common, we all have had intimate contact or we were born from those that had intimate contact.
Why is it that all of these soldiers are coming home with disease that can not be attributed to anything, AGENT ORANGE is a lie, GULF WAR SYNDROME they can not find a reason for, why, both are this disease.
100 symptoms and the symptoms are the same, no real evidence of what causes either one of these issues, they say one is from dioxin but can you trust what they say, at first with thousands of soldiers coming forward they said it was NOTHING and the soldiers were imagining things, sound familiar.
They sprayed my area in Korea with agent orange before I got there, but I doubt very much this disease is related to a chemical at all, you people are my evidence of that, you were not sprayed, I waited a long time to meet you all.
With what I know about this disease and its time frame it tells me to be very distrustful of the so called experts because I think they manifest ideas into facts without the slightest bit of real work being done.
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Post by scabdraggr on Feb 15, 2013 12:35:57 GMT -5
BO, this beetle came here from the orient, Korea, Taiwan, Singapore and Viet Nam, soldiers such as yourself have shown to be the first afflicted by the syndrome that's brought on by this beetle.Not in the ninetys but in thelate 40's, 50's and 60's-70's on.
I have been working with a wonderful friend in Tennessee that has m and was in a bad way when I was asked by another researcher from Germany, if I would try to help her and to see if I could garner any specific info that correlated with my symptoms. She kept onabout the Beetles, the Beetles, I was listening to what she said but I didn't discover them for myself until later. What I did document was that she had been a soldier in the orient where she bought some beautiful furniture, which she had shipped home. What she had shipped home were the ambrosia beetles from Taiwan, which are native there and in other far eastern countries. Her home had become totally infested with them as had she. The furniture and woodwork, such as the cabinets and rafters may have been exposed prior to her having a new home built, which in my op is a total loss. She's highly improved and feels vindicated by my having proven and documented her suffering as having been caused by these beetles. See Barack, we can agree on some things, such as your having this for 40 years, which I am glad to understand for you, but I do so empathize with your long term of suffering and with those around you that you love. It would be wonderful if you could check for bore holes in any wood products within your home. I certainly am curious! BO, I've done my homework and much more.
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Post by scabdraggr on Feb 25, 2013 8:21:57 GMT -5
Ophiostoma Ulmi, a fungal pathogen of trees, can kill a giant elm or a huge oak tree in 3-4 weeks, while going unnoticed, until it's too late to reverse the damage. Am I nuts to say,what if? It lives off the liquid tree sap that the tree has designed for it's immune response. Perhaps a parallel could be drawn, or is it such a far reach for anyone to believe that plant pathogens could possibly jump species, over to us? While I'm simply a student of Mycology, from what I have learned, this is a distinct possibility. When I dissected my first recently dead Oak tree recently, there were the same fibers as in my former lesions. When touched by the bare hand, they stung like a bee sting. When the sawdust gets on the skin, it creates a horrible itch and then the M lesions will begin. Also, the same mites that infest us morgies are the same mites as in the fungus and the tree, that plus the fibers makes me wonder. I have lots of fungal pics from m samples and if anyone is curious, then I'll post them. They certainly do look the same as the ones by others that study the Dutch Elm disease fungal pathogen that came here from se Asia in 2002 and perhaps earlier. During the next few weeks there will be more info available about this correlation of species and fungal pathogens. I'd like to hear from some of the individuals here on LB, for I have noticed that some intelligent and well educated sufferers are here watching what gets said by others. www.forestryimages.org/images/768x512/5366740.jpg
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Post by Baraka Obam on Feb 25, 2013 9:06:02 GMT -5
Have we had a meeting of the minds, I am so proud of you, you said WHAT IF.
I like it!!!
Anything is possible but then what is probable, that's the question.
Is it probable fungus has a part in this, who knows, I can not prove or disprove such a thing I do not have a laboratory.
Something still I must ask, how do you KNOW your specimens are fungal?
There is so much to being a scientist, at the very bottom of the spectrum you will have those that insist everything they say is a fact because they say it is, the other end of the spectrum, people that do not let out a peep until they are more than positive that they are on the right track and still they use words suggesting it as a possibility until their hard earned truth is proved beyond any doubt.
I like what you suggested there scab, WHAT IF, that puts it as a question, the answer is far beyond my capabilities.
But it is only thought being projected for those that may be able to give some answers to the idea.
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Post by scabdraggr on Feb 25, 2013 9:44:15 GMT -5
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Post by Baraka Obam on Feb 25, 2013 11:15:36 GMT -5
Where do you buy special medium for culturing fungi?
Exactly what is it called. I would like to do this, maybe the results will be the same.
I do have diabetes syringe to take sample fluid without contamination from anything else it could come in contact with.
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Post by scabdraggr on Feb 25, 2013 14:45:30 GMT -5
Kits are available on the internet, many come with several different types of growth medium.
If you wish to quickly learn which fungi is present in your home, then simply open a can of tomato soup, pour a pint bowl 1/3 full and place on top of the fridge for 10 days. Most sufferers will take it down long before then because it smells just like the M scent.
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Post by Baraka Obam on Feb 25, 2013 15:17:28 GMT -5
Thank you SD.
I do not know about any M scent but I guess there could be one,
I have had this 40 years, a few of the women I was with commented that I never smelled and even had a fresh smell, then they are not with me always.
There will be times that I will get a oder, but it goes away, very infrequent, even if I am sweating like a dog.
I am much more interested what grows in or on the human body, but it would be interesting to know exactly what could be growing in the air conditioner, that's for sure.
The environment can make us ill there is no doubt of that, but we have something insidious inside us, its easy to view but so far has no interest in what it is or my real belief, it is what fuels the symptom drug industry.
It may be the planned obsolescence of men and women before they are 60, no social security money and no pensioners means a content young and stupid country.
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Post by threader on Mar 1, 2013 21:17:59 GMT -5
I must agree, that this beetle explanation feels a little overly simplistic. But Scab, you know I think you are a genius, so I'll wait until more evidence is presented before judging. Can you integrate this brilliant article into your beetle theory?- morgellonspgpr.wordpress.com/2009/03/13/mr-morgellons-meet-mr-meth-your-distant-cousin/I've spent the past two weeks dissecting the CDC/Kaiser PLo5 report. Soon I'll initiate a thread to discuss the finer points of that propaganda report. But there are a couple of true information gems within it- 75% of patients had hobbies that involve solvents, and 50% tested positive for drug use. It seems to me that many have M, but toluene exposure feeds it to the symptomatic level. Excuse my digression, but can you relate the "-enes" to beetles? How does the relatively slow spread from Cali, Texas and Florida to the rest of the 1st world relate to the beetles? How is PATM, which I agree (with your assertion, Scab) is actually powerful quorum sensing, related to these beetles? Why are Anthelmintics effective in the suppression of symptoms? I truly could never be convinced that CDC/Kaiser docs could spend 3 years with 40 morgies and not believe in the existence of fibers or their emergence from unbroken skin. How could docs be convinced to withhold information or perpetuate DOP myths for a beetle? Looking forward to your responses, thanks again for giving me a life back Scabs.
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Post by scabdraggr on Mar 2, 2013 9:02:35 GMT -5
Obviously the beetle issue is a hard one to fathom, yet it is such a huge part of our ecology and of our symptomology. Do we have beetles under our skin? Only a very few if any, however, the beetle does place a pheemone upon the skin of many m sufferers, which calls in the troops that help it kill trees. Fungi and mites, which are the main cause of our discomfort and illness, do play a huge role in this affliction. The beetles which are responsible for an environmental catastrophe do utilize the fungi and mites for it's need to feed, propagate and to destroy the host. How much of the destruction is the beetle responsible for? Very little as it's only a means of transporting the mites and fungi. The fungi, Ophiostoma novo ulmi and it's symbiotic fungi that it carries in it's mycangium, need to be better understood before we as a species can ever overcome this disease that afflicts us. Next, the bio-control measures that have been implemented for the control of these beetles and for other beetles and insects, needs to be carefully investigated. Why? Because of what may have happened! Those bio controls may have found a way to us and are possibly affecting humans in a very negative way. What could have possibly gone wrong?
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Post by scabdraggr on Mar 2, 2013 11:40:14 GMT -5
Threader, the meth and morgellons connection will be easier to define, once the correct players within the Morgellon's issue have been identified. Back tracing a common cause within separate species and separate factors, as a cause, can be very difficult but if the m pathogens are well known, then a lot of questions about other diseases might be easier to answer. Being that you are in such a permissive state as Colorado, with it's pot laws, I suggest that you look at some of the cannibas under a scope. A fungi is almost always present in outdoor grown weed and normally indoor grows have more pest issues than plants grown outdoors. A lot of mold and insect driven issues with plants are kept under control outdoors, by the access that plants have to other insects and fungi, which act as natural and useful pesticides. With indoor operations, pot or other agriculture, bio-mechanisms, such as mites and insects, are brought into the greenhouse, in order to create a proper balance of species within the isolated and controlled growing environment. Outdoors, the environment is also subject to bio controls, otherwise we would have a worldwide food and tree shortage, which is possible even with the control measures in place.
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Post by Baraka Obam on Mar 3, 2013 8:35:48 GMT -5
There isn't any connection to METH and Morgellons are you fools out of your mind, LOL.
There may be people with METH that have immune systems that are wasted but its a far stretch of the imagination fellows.
Just because your drug addicts does not include the rest of the Morgellons world.
Do not bring this idea to the site that we are now METH addicts.
This is the kind of idiocy that starts the rumors, all of these people are itching because they do METH and have bugs in their skin.
The next thing your family members will be watching what your smoking , LOL, oh yes, Silvia has that bug disease with worms crawling all over her and she got it from smoking METH.
Freakazoids abound.
You know what bothers me, idiots, when you drive up to the McDonald's speaker to order, the half wit has been there 5000 times, they ask what it is the idiot wants, they don't know, even thought they know everything McDonald's sells, then they order the same thing they get every time, they spin around the corner a car is in front of them paying, they already know how much it is because the speaker told them the price, still they ask.
Then they drive up to the pickup window and order something else they always forget they wanted.
That's what burns me up, they are probably on Meth and have bugs running all over them.
Its pure bull.
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Post by scabdraggr on Mar 3, 2013 9:05:22 GMT -5
My opinion is my opinion, which I am entitled to express, facts are different and they must fit for everyone, not just for myself. This scenario does not entitle anyone to use loaded words, which are a thinking error. So why the name calling? Is it because of our perceptions being different from yours? possibly because of our different lifestyles. For the record, I despise meth and it's use, it's such a destructive and demeanoring disease for anyone close to it's use. One reason is because so many meth users are also morgellon's sufferers. This is not a false perception on my part, it's a belief based upon the facts that present themselves. The most painful aspect of the m sickness, for myself, was the accusation that I was a user of Meth, which I would never be a part of. My dr and the slipped in drug test that was done without my knowledge, did prove to my family that I was straight and not a Meth user. That doesn't change that fact that I and many others see M and meth use as having a common thread somewhere that all m users do not share, just all Meth users. BO, it's time you grew up and stopped the childish expressions with the way you communicate.
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Post by Baraka Obam on Mar 3, 2013 11:41:59 GMT -5
burp, phhhhhhhht, uggggggh your opinion spews of low living, thats ok. Its ok to be low, there is only one way you can go, up. The simple fact we all can have opinions, my opinion was as stated. If any one here is a shill it would be you, you go from one fantasy to another. Now your trying to mix low living with our members, I do not know one Meth addict, but I am sure as you said you know a trailer full of them. Why yes they are gonna have disease, they use NEEDLES, they sell their bodys for drugs, they do not eat right. Most of them will never come clean and you know what, I do not care about them, not one little bit. Life is all about attitude, right now I am upset you start with a new topic, why don't you go to the Meth addict site and warn them, if you take METH your morgellons will show or you can tell them, if you take METH beatles will come and give you Morgellons. What METH pictures show is the disease is in many more people than you can imagine, destroy your body and you will see the aspects sooner than later, normal people show morgellons with advanced aging. www.facesofmeth.us/main.htmPlease do not connect low living to our disease to drug addiction it has no bearing on the problem. Its sort of the same thing as AGENT ORANGE and our biological disease, the Dioxin did not start the disease, the Dioxin made it show up, same as METH.
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Post by scabdraggr on Mar 3, 2013 18:14:08 GMT -5
Meth addicts have m at a much higher rate than non addicts. This disapportionate rate for one group and it's cause cannot be ignored simply because of one individual with many prejudices. The truth finally comes out about you BO, you hate every person that doesn't have your same ideals and you are only concerned with yourself and your welfare. No one has accused you of drug use, yet many victims of drug use are also victims of Lyme and Morgellons. If we start excluding others, for whatever reason, then eventually we will have excluded everyone.
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Post by Baraka Obam on Mar 3, 2013 19:54:56 GMT -5
The reason they show the disease is they have sex for money, or/and have beat their bodys to death with the chemicals.
THIS IS NOT THE PLACE TO START UP A SAVE YOUR LOCAL CRACK HEAD GROUP, THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE HERE DO NOT ABUSE DRUGS.
ANYWAY, SO WHAT, who cares, they don't, drug addicts are a waste of human flesh.
THERE ARE TOO MANY PEOPLE THAT WANT TO LIVE THAT NEED HELP IN THIS WORLD, TO HELL WITH THE ONES THAT DO NOT CHERRISH LIFE.
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Post by threader on Mar 4, 2013 1:07:17 GMT -5
Huh? I'm not blind to the statistics related to the Morgellons community. Lots of meth, lots of pesticide exposure, and lots of solvent exposure. Rather than judging, perhaps it's time to start researching what meth and Agent Orange have in common... Interesting warnings about weed, Scab. I agree the risks of potsmoking are underappreciated within the M community, and it isn't the THC that we need to be worrying about. At least you spelled idiot correctly...
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Post by Baraka Obam on Mar 4, 2013 9:02:44 GMT -5
Who spell idit wright? LOL.
Its a very low blow when one attacks the misspelled words, LOL.
Y'all never cease to amaze me, if all else fails attack the misspelled words. Seems irrelevant then what the heck.
Threader, it seems you got away from your addiction, good for you, let me ask you this, what was your value as a human being to others when you were doing drugs???
Do not try to tell me you had a value, everything was negative, unless you were high and most drug addicts will kill their own mother to get money to do drugs.
Just do not mix our disease connection to drugs, the fact that the people that take METH get results quickly has to do more with immune system ability than from the type of chemical abuse.
Do METH and AGENT ORANGE have similarity's, maybe, could be, but I think it is more of the way certain chemicals affect the immune system than type of chemical compound similarity.
I am saying the chemicals do not have to be the same, the continual amount of chemical in the blood could be the trick.
Most of us here have shown results because of time involved, AGE, others have been thrown into the fast lane by abuse of their body.
I think my result was age, time of involvement, and steroids did me in.
One thing I hope is that the word police do not come and lock me away, OH NO, You see I just started to understand and speak French sort of correctly, I must have forgotten English, OUI !
I beg of you, please do not make the people that have Morgellons out to be drug addicts, we have enough problems to face with our familys, friends and doctors.
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Post by threader on Mar 4, 2013 21:32:34 GMT -5
Mr Common Sense lays out the relationship between Pseudomonas putida and meth very simply. Meth has toluene, putida eats it for breakfast. morgellonspgpr.wordpress.com/2009/03/11/does-this-identification-mean-anything-i-do-not-know/morgellonspgpr.wordpress.com/2009/03/13/mr-morgellons-meet-mr-meth-your-distant-cousin/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudomonas_putidaNow B.O., when you put down your trolling, you make astute observations, and have for many years. You keep mentioning Agent Orange. The first page of a google search with "putida and agent orange led me to this page: web.mit.edu/invent/iow/chakrabarty.htmlAnanda Chakrabarty, PhD is a distinguished professor of microbiology and immunology at the University of Illinois College of Medicine. Though his career spans several decades, his most notable creation is a biology-based solution for cleaning up toxic spills using the generically engineered Pseudomonas (today classified as Burkholderia cepacia or B. cepacia). The solution has the potential to degrade environmental pollutants such as Agent Orange.
Chakrabarty earned his PhD at the University of Calcutta in India in 1965. In his days as a young scientist at General Electric here in the United States, Chakrabarty developed the pseudomonas bacterium in his laboratory. The bacterium has the ability to break down crude oil into simpler substances that can serve as food for aquatic life.
Pseudomonas was the subject of a landmark 1980 U.S. Supreme Court decision that forms of life created in the laboratory can be patented. In "Diamond vs. Chakrabarty," the US Supreme Court held five to four that living, manmade microorganisms are patentable. The court ruled that patents could be issued for "anything under the sun that is made by man." In upholding Chakrabarty's position, Chief Justice Warren Burger wrote, "The relevant distinction is not between living and inanimate things," but rather between naturally existing and human-made inventions. Because Chakrabarty's bacterium was created in a laboratory through cross breeding, it was not "nature's handiwork," the court said, but the product of "human ingenuity and research."
The decision served as a precedent for the issuing of patents on mice, pigs and cows, some containing introduced human genes, as well as naturally occurring human bone-marrow cells. At one time shortly after the decision came through, a spokesman for Genentech, a San Francisco company formed by Robert A. Swanson and biochemist Dr. Herbert W. Boyer to exploit the possibilities of gene-splicing techniques, said the Supreme Court's action had "assured this country's technology future." Many say that Chakrabarty's battle for patent protection did indeed pave the way for future patenting of biotechnological discovery.(my highlighting and underlining). If the CDC Morgellons study had implicated Putida - or one of her cousins - as the causitive agent, this would likely have profound negative consequences on at least two major industries- Agriculture and Oil. U.S. agricultural exports would be crippled, and libel lawsuits against Big Oil would reach the billions. The Armed Forces may also be implicated. So Scab, has Putida been used as a beetle pesticide? I see Putida is a quorum sensor, so maybe I wasn't just stoned to oblivion when I thought I could make people itch upwind and through windows...
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Post by Baraka Obam on Mar 4, 2013 22:08:19 GMT -5
I have a very funny feeling that the red tide in the gulf of Mexico is connected to human waste and this disease.
When I came to florida there was no red tide that I saw, as the years ent on the red tide became so prolific it would burn your lungs when you breath.
Now, I notice since the oil spill that we are not getting this red tide like that, in fact if we have had a red tide since the oil spill I have not seen it.
Threader, look into the chemical they treated the water in the gulf with to disperse the oil, find out what you can about it.
WHAT WERE THE CHEMICALS THAT WERE USED DURING THE OIL SPILL IN THE GULF.
Do you know, the red tide was so bad for so many years it was hard to find a living fish.
What did all the dead fish look like, they had lesions all over them.
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