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Post by toni on Aug 19, 2015 12:44:49 GMT -5
Yes, these pictures are of Angiosperm vessels, meaning from a "flowering plant", or tree, BUT, even as good as I wash my face before I "pick", ultra minute fibers obviously are still left, which I disregard the fibers as "such", unless they're pigmented, but to see now that even the "parts of the vascular system of the plant" are left in tissue too, well, now we know. I do see I was doing a good job (washing before picking) because to find those vessels only here and there, under a scope, shows that, BUT it wasn't hardly good enough, because those vessels are in tissue paper and obviously got glued into the specimens and the water on the slide and me tapping on the specimens while wet, helped release 'anything' microscopic that might have been "glued to it". So please disregard this whole THREAD, well, not totally, because now we can use it to compare IF anyone has "elements" that look like this tissue magnified and the itty bitty parts that make it up. Sorry about that, a major BO-BO, of where those "vessels came from" as they did come from my specimens, but, they were apparently "stuck" microscopically on to them.
Hi Homeworld, (if you see this).
I know you had some specimens of what "looked-like" - to me, (pitted Vessels).
I have another one I got out of my skin in the picture (TOP), which is a bit ragged because of the way I smashed at it on the slide. Somewhere, I do have a perfect one.
I know you had a "perfect looking specimen too" and I know (It's only me and my opinion) saying I believe it to be a "vessel".
Do you know where that picture you posted is so we can compare?
Thank you.
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Post by toni on Aug 19, 2015 14:01:05 GMT -5
www2.mcdaniel.edu/Biology/botf99/tissimages/complexvasc.html
And another pic of the "vessel".
I have these. Just have to find the pictures...and there's really no reason I should be picking these 'vessel looking specimens out of my skin'.
FAR LEFT "specimen"
The "ribbony appearing vessel is flat in this picture from the link above" and it's pitted too, as they are.
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Post by toni on Aug 19, 2015 14:16:16 GMT -5
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Post by Baraka Obam on Aug 19, 2015 16:10:14 GMT -5
The question has to come to mind, if it is on the outside of your body, WHERE DID IT ACTUALLY COME FROM? Other items, the pictures you present are all sort of 3D and your specimen can not actually be deliberate in the description that it actually is a tube. Is it? if you want it to be it is I suppose. Could this actually be a strip of skin, or could it be a pattern formed by the invader that replaces skin. Questions abound. I can not answer them, but I would be suspect of anyone throwing out innuendo of what this is exactly, as they do not care anything about what they say. Looking for the answer is alluding at best, positive postulations all the day different or following one train of thought will confuse or worse yet set a standard that can not be broken that is false. Does anyone here imagine that research scientist are immune from this, certainly if some idiot with more accreditation (papers on a wall stating you have been trained but not in practice) says he see's the KINGS NEW CLOTHS, then they will have to agree or they will be seen as the only idiot. Please read this, it is the mindset of the easy to convince, I am the opposite, I have been taught to question the question. It is normal, this one process is what keeps China from running us over, while they are very educated they lack the ability to be objective because there is a order of intelligence, that is, your superior is always right, in America we are being driven into this quagmire by the accredited. If a Chinese say that makes no sense, he will be fired, if a superior makes a mistake he blames it on the subordinate, this simple folly contains their power. They do not want to lose face. www.angelfire.com/ga2/gadfly/emperor.html What is that patterned specimen on the outside of the body, is it important, what would it suggest if it is part of the invaders development. Angiogenesis?, Normal skin cells, environmental refuse, normal body process of building skin, plant life DNA adapted to invade animals, nothing is impossible the question is, what is most probable! Toni, that specimen does have a similar pattern to what your investigating, it seems I can recall this pattern, but can not swear to its exactness. Just to let you know, I have thought about the same as you, the fact that you can see the development of concave patterns under the skin that intersect with the dots, (freckles, moles) directly, but do not overrun them not by a bit, stop perfectly at the dot on the skin and leave in a completely different direction or directions from that dot on the skin, does resemble the growth of roots. I will look for this pattern, but where EXACTLY did you get it from, a open lesion, a spot on the skin, how did you harvest it.
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Post by toni on Aug 19, 2015 17:14:53 GMT -5
Baraka, I know (my picture I've posted of my "vessel" is a lousy pic) *the VERY FIRST PIC* but....(it is a tubule) and that particular picture, stinks really...sorry, ((( I will find my other pictures because I HAVE to))) now, especially because it's bugging me, hahaha and of all times here I am wanting to show this as it continues to show itself, and not just in my specimens. That pattern, yes, (we have talked about that pattern before) and thanks for the key word, yes...pattern - I referred to it like that too..(that may help find it), (it's sieve holes, or pits they call it) in those "tubules" in ((( the angiosperm species of plant)) ones that grow flowers. Now, how weird is that. These "flowering type specimens KEEP showing up". I don't know why. Unless someone gave us our Lilies ...and in a warped way, (who knows). Not that I think (that's it) but...I haven't any idea on earth why these are here, and only from deep in the skin are they extracted from. I've seen the same thing in Homeworlds, in Jan Smiths (I believe, could be wrong) but...I thought somewhere on her site was "the same looking specimen" and I've seen them "here and there" from others posts. But, right now I don't have them, (( I will)) though, as I will find them. Trust me, I will. Because I DO have them, and they're on the internet pictured from others. And the most important thing is, they're not being found (on) the skin. They are "from digging the white specimens out, they're within the specimens that were growing DEEP within the tissue". They're not part of angiogenesis, as that's "like a new vein *blood system growing* to support "something like a tumor" or whatever else. These are "hollowed out tubes" with pits, and can be seen at 400X (minimum) at 1,000x the pattern is sooooo "distinctively" distinctive! hahhaa ((( they're something important to this growth in our skin))). ---------------------------------- I don't really want to change the subject, I guess I'm not by posting this lymebusters.proboards.com/thread/15290/vine-growths-spirils as it has to do "with PLANT parts also" and you posted it in 2012. This isn't "in this thread what I'm talking about" but...these...heck, are spirals, (of the xylem) don't you think, "possibly"? especially now if you put together the "tubes/Vessels" that are being found amongst some. I've got to find my tubules, hahaha (vessels) rather. But you had some great pics here Baraka, and they look like (plant'y parts) to me.
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Post by toni on Aug 19, 2015 19:33:11 GMT -5
Well, I've been looking (and will continue) of course because I'm not going to let this one go, since I found such a great pic on the internet, that looks like what I have found too, and others.
It's too funny. I just saw it a day or two ago too, in my pics. And pictures.... I've got many, like close to a trillion pics, (seems like it) so that's the problem, but...moreso the pain.
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Post by toni on Aug 19, 2015 20:44:05 GMT -5
OMG, I found them, and the more I look now, the more I see they resemble the (angiosperms vessel) as in (PLANT) - more than I ever realized.
Be right back.
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Post by toni on Aug 19, 2015 21:07:41 GMT -5
Okay, here it is. This is a million times a better pic than my first pic in this thread of "the vessel". It was hollow like a tube and the end as you can see is folded over, (that flap thing) like in the bright green pic (which is from the internet link above) and mine "imho" matches. Notice the "shape of that flap" in my specimen and in the "real deal green picture", as that is a vessel of "plant" in the angiosperm family or the "wood family". Not sure "which exactly" but both have those "vessels" that look like that. http-server.carleton.ca/~sregan/ This is the link from where the "bright green vessel came from", and it's from "poplar wood" it says.
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Post by Baraka Obam on Aug 19, 2015 21:59:47 GMT -5
Toni, you have not heard me say anything despairing about your idea, It is my opinion that nothing is impossible, still there are so many questions to raise when the supposed impossible becomes possible.
Your pictures are very good, I can not dispute what they are, although I can say, many things under magnification can resemble others.
Usually they do not resemble them perfectly.
I will not argue about what you think you have found, it looks very similar, excellent pictures and display.
Now, how often have you heard, I can not dispute what you think to be correct.
Because I can not say that some form of plant life could live in a human host, or a animal host, especially with the scientists mutating food, the concave lines that form on the skin intersecting with the dots perfectly that look like a root system, who can tell.
Although all of our systems are exactly like root systems, blood, nerve, endocrine, lymph.
Who knows, only the Shadow, ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!
All work and no play make Jacky a dull girl.
Oh, the pictures of the spirials may be connected to food as they came out of my dukie, then the same spirals came out of Kritters dukie and her grand babys dukie, do we all eat the same thing, maybe, but I do not for some reason think the baby was eating the same stuff, I believe it was under one year old.
One last thing, the spirals are bound in a sheath, each spiral has its own material holding it together like a air conditioner hose, when it is broken down that is when the spiral, like the wire in a air conditioning tube, old fashion vacuum hose, is set free.
Otherwise when you see the spiral in its natural beginning it looks just like a vacuum hose
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Post by toni on Aug 20, 2015 10:37:08 GMT -5
Toni, you have not heard me say anything despairing about your idea, It is my opinion that nothing is impossible, still there are so many questions to raise when the supposed impossible becomes possible. Your pictures are very good, I can not dispute what they are, although I can say, many things under magnification can resemble others. Usually they do not resemble them perfectly. I will not argue about what you think you have found, it looks very similar, excellent pictures and display. Now, how often have you heard, I can not dispute what you think to be correct. Because I can not say that some form of plant life could live in a human host, or a animal host, especially with the scientists mutating food, the concave lines that form on the skin intersecting with the dots perfectly that look like a root system, who can tell. Although all of our systems are exactly like root systems, blood, nerve, endocrine, lymph. Who knows, only the Shadow, ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!! All work and no play make Jacky a dull girl. Oh, the pictures of the spirials may be connected to food as they came out of my dukie, then the same spirals came out of Kritters dukie and her grand babys dukie, do we all eat the same thing, maybe, but I do not for some reason think the baby was eating the same stuff, I believe it was under one year old. One last thing, the spirals are bound in a sheath, each spiral has its own material holding it together like a air conditioner hose, when it is broken down that is when the spiral, like the wire in a air conditioning tube, old fashion vacuum hose, is set free. Otherwise when you see the spiral in its natural beginning it looks just like a vacuum hose Thank you Baraka, and I know (I believe to anyways) exactly what you mean. And I will say too, that I also am not (saying this is a vessel without any doubt in the world) ....but (it's only in my opinion) that by "appearances only" and how much I'd played with it on the scope slide in water, and saw how odd it was, I mean I was like (HUH?? what the what?) with it, because only one side had that "lattice work design" on it, and how odd it was too in how hollow it was, like a straw. But, we know, nothing is certain unless it's confirmed solidly. The only thing I feel in the importance of this is: IF others can find them, and that's not a guarantee either, because everyone isn't under their scope for hours and years, and the one thing I've learned if nothing else, haha is that "under the scope *seems* easy, but...it's not. Learning the "inventory in the world" is the hard part, and without 'some of that'....it's lots of guess work....and going on "matching things up" for starters otherwise (everything is something) but...it needs to apply. And I believe this applies "because of where I'm resurrecting them from". DEEP within the skin "specimens" have them "within them" and the specimens that are growing (deep) must be "patted with a needle" while the specimen is in water, plus, if ones scope doesn't "allow for the space with a needle probing" between the lense and the slide, that can't be done with any accuracy. That is what I like too about my scope, only when I have the scope at 1 or 2,000x mag can I "not" get my needle between the slide and lense. So that part is important for "probing or patting these things out of a specimen even at 400X mag". So...being that's where they're retrieved from (the growths that must be plucked from "within the skin" not "on the skin"....is why I know these "vessel" looking specimens (imho are extremely important), because I don't think under any circumstances I should have any vessels other than human ones, and those aren't "latticed like" looking. Anyways, another "commonality" is I'm not the only one who posted pictures on the internet of "the same looking specimen" and I'm having a hard time finding them, BUT...I will. They've just "named them something differently than what I'm calling them" so...that's the holdup right now.
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Post by toni on Aug 20, 2015 11:01:32 GMT -5
Forgot to say, I'm glad you elaborated on "where the spirals were found" and with the child too.
Now looking from another angle, anything "that comes out" (usually went in) are of course the "first thoughts". Not that it's 100% that, but, just ones first thoughts. Like celery or things like that? Those have spiral watering systems within the walls of the xylem (the microscopic straw looking part that supplies water in many plant foods we eat) for it's growth and feeding.
Not that I'm saying it "had to be from celery, the child's spirals" or anyone else's....but, it's in the high possibilities of probabilities. But not a "for sure".
We'd have to scope (every veggie) we ate first to know "that is hasn't any type of vessels" to know if that's the case in "what came out"...see what I mean?
That is only why I *personally* feel that what grows in the skin is quite different, or actually "easier for us to see what's what", maybe?, because we didn't eat it, and the skin only contains particular parts so it's easier to determine what "goes there and what doesn't" than what "came out of us after even one meal, and that's a (imho) thing too.
Just seems easier to do the : process of elimination with entities in the skin than *what came out* after we've eaten because at the microscopic level we'd need to know first "exactly what we ate at the microscopic level" to know what it will look like afterwards and actually what it looked like to begin with under a scope to know "this one doesn't go there but this does". Imho. The skin, anything extra growing in it, we know doesn't go.
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Post by Baraka Obam on Aug 20, 2015 14:30:22 GMT -5
Quite elementary my dear, what you to relentented to is my exact meaning, except the possibility arises that all of us were not eating celery, or the same matter at all. Another fact you will find is I suggest those that had microscopes to check for this same entity instead of eliminating any POSSIBLE connection. Also as the formation of yellow mucus filled with 9strands actually In the same instance if we really want to push possibilities, as the doctors have said, these items on the surface of the skin have stuck there and are environmental. Long as we are giving lessons on possibilites, and dismissing. That last post was of no use but to have me report your observant of a given, that I just relented to, or was it well now see how your posts are bunk. They are observations only, I give them NO NAME, you name all of yours and give them purpose. I say I do not know what it is but is common. What is growing in our sheet tube is quite relevant as this is where you will find the most CLASSIC Morgellons fibers by the yard sweet pea. What is coming out of the skin sure would have to burrow a long way to get to the flesh, its growing in the flesh and the colon. The other thing the yellow mucus with spaghetti like strands that MANY have found well what exactly is that stuff, I could give it a name and post I know what it is but I even try to refer to them as spaghetti instead of worm like as you know where that goes. You get a gold ribbon for your scoping and you turn right back into a undesirable, argumentative and I will not post a name to identify. Forgot to say, I'm glad you elaborated on "where the spirals were found" and with the child too. Now looking from another angle, anything "that comes out" (usually went in) are of course the "first thoughts". Not that it's 100% that, but, just ones first thoughts. Like celery or things like that? Those have spiral watering systems within the walls of the xylem (the microscopic straw looking part that supplies water in many plant foods we eat) for it's growth and feeding. Not that I'm saying it "had to be from celery, the child's spirals" or anyone else's....but, it's in the high possibilities of probabilities. But not a "for sure". We'd have to scope (every veggie) we ate first to know "that is hasn't any type of vessels" to know if that's the case in "what came out"...see what I mean? That is only why I *personally* feel that what grows in the skin is quite different, or actually "easier for us to see what's what", maybe?, because we didn't eat it, and the skin only contains particular parts so it's easier to determine what "goes there and what doesn't" than what "came out of us after even one meal, and that's a (imho) thing too. Just seems easier to do the : process of elimination with entities in the skin than *what came out* after we've eaten because at the microscopic level we'd need to know first "exactly what we ate at the microscopic level" to know what it will look like afterwards and actually what it looked like to begin with under a scope to know "this one doesn't go there but this does". Imho. The skin, anything extra growing in it, we know doesn't go.
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Post by toni on Aug 20, 2015 16:43:43 GMT -5
I swear, I must be in the Twilight Zone. Seriously.
Baraka, (do you feel, think or did you read) in my post anywhere that I was being argumentative?
Really? Because I wasn't at all. My goodness, not at all.
I'll tell you exactly (from the horses mouth)...not one word of my post was of "argument" or negative.
IF I don't agree (does that make you feel I'm being argumentative)? If so, then that's only because you don't know me....and I have never felt that an opposing "thought or view" would be or is, (argumentative). Not where I come from. To be objectionable with viable options is what life is all about in finding the right path, wouldn't you say? If everyone agreed, nothing would move.
Hell, (I WANT) others to be "my devils advocate" because how am I suppose to see anything but what I see if no one disagrees/challenges etc... and says (yes, it could be, but it might ALSO be this or that toni)? See...((in my world that is the ONLY way one learns)) best. By others "challenging the proposed"...that's "why" more heads are always better than one.
If you feel I was being argumentative, I'd really appreciate you showing me where, because (what you said, doesn't make sense to me) not at all.
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Post by Baraka Obam on Aug 20, 2015 19:30:26 GMT -5
Lets just say this, dismissive.
I will not dismiss you right now because your doing your work, the work your doing in my opinion looks possible.
The spirals in my pictures could be food, they could be something else altogether.
I am sorry if I misjudged what you were saying, excuse me, maybe I am tired or men are from Mars women are from Venus.
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Post by toni on Aug 20, 2015 20:59:23 GMT -5
Lets just say this, dismissive. I will not dismiss you right now because your doing your work, the work your doing in my opinion looks possible. The spirals in my pictures could be food, they could be something else altogether. I am sorry if I misjudged what you were saying, excuse me, maybe I am tired or men are from Mars women are from Venus.
Hi Baraka,
I don't know what you mean by "dismiss me" but...that part doesn't sound nice. And in the reality of everything, that doesn't matter, because "Morgellons is what's important"
and we're not here to make friends with each other. It would be nice to keep things "nice"....but that's all, just a nicer atmosphere is nicer. And through our sharing, who knows what can really come from it? That's how we'll put pieces together. (imho)
And the spirals in your pictures, yes, they could be food, and then again, they may be more important than anything in the world as far as Morgs goes.
But my question or rather (my food for thought as I shared was):
To "find something that does not belong" anywhere for that matter....one has to know what was suppose to be there to begin with "right"?
That way "one can know what goes, and what doesn't"? Otherwise, anything can look like it "doesn't go there".
So, same as "what comes out of the body". One has to know (first off) under diseased circumstances, do "gels or goo form" and "yes" they do! The slime, the mucous all that ick. That "is" the way the body flushes or tries to flush garbage out. Like our noses running when we have a cold. The "slime machine kicks into gear", mucous - to "try" and flush the body clean of the bug. I'm not saying "that's it" either, just "thoughts".
So, not that "mucous" forms spirals, (because that IS VERY interesting to me especially about the spirals) but....being the devils advocate, logic screams to me: what did everyone eat? And was whatever they ate, (could there have been) any veggie that had a vascular system? Those are just (my thoughts) because there's one thing we all know, what goes in, does come out. I don't believe I'd be the only one with that knee jerk reaction (thought).
Regarding the skin, it's not ever in my thoughts of (what is on top of the skin that's odd, because that could be anything on the planet) but it's what's within it that means something. Only because we know (we're not putting anything into our skin) and the skin is the same across the board with people basically. So when there's something "odd"...that is easier to see. That's what I mean. And if it doesn't look like fungi and looks more like "plant material" that (imho) is something different than just a fungal infection which is part of life sometimes.
Plant shouldn't grow at all in us. Like that Pea that grew in that mans lungs, those are major oddities. Certain things shouldn't have the capacity or ability to grow and when they do, something's wrong. As for a fungal infection, I wouldn't say "something was extremely abnormal with a person IF they got that, as that CAN BE something that happens. But not plant.
And your spirals look (like plant material to me) but me also says, how can one be sure (it wasn't eaten)? I mean you'll know if all you ate was just meat for the next month, and you're still seeing spirals, then you'd know for sure.
That is what I was expressing, nothing else.
But as far as I'm concerned, which is nothing but my thoughts (I find those spirals incredible), BUT, the other part of me says, well.....I don't know because I personally don't know for absolute sure what went in, for those to come out. But there is a part of me like I said...they've gotten my attention.
Not that I don't believe you...it's not even that at all. It's got nothing to do with that department. I don't have to believe you as that changes nothing, if I do or don't. I look at my stuff the same way too.
Also, I do use the words IMHO for the things I "believe they appear to be" and most importantly I try to always say the word (looks like) which that just means that...looks (like) as that is not saying this is fact. I'm not saying "it is", and if I do, then I use IMHO. We all have our opinions, and that's a good thing.
If you think my "specimen is this or that", I don't mind you saying, I actually want to know "what else that might look like" as it's as you can see, about the diameter of a human hair. I want the "challenge" which is what I call it"...bring it on, all the suggestions, ideas etc, the thoughts of what else it might be, LETS LEARN what this garbage is.
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Post by toni on Aug 21, 2015 9:27:08 GMT -5
Wow, not to change the subject, but I'm just freaked out because we have KILLER BEES in our backyard!
Yesterday, I called many (removal of hives/bee expert) companies and talked with them about it, as I saw the bees coming in. Actually last week I heard the humming when I was in the backyard, thought it might be a transformer or something new (on the otherside) of our backyard wall. Then at 5:45 am there was one, then shortly later, many! In talking with the bee people, they said (that is the behavior of killer bees) as they usually are out "early in the morning" and late in the evening, whereas "the honey bee doesn't forage like that". And that is exactly the schedule these bees are keeping. Lots more about their behavior in how the experts said it matched "killer bees". So now I'm just FREAKED out to say the least. I've taped and carboarded the fireplace opening, and we've alerted the neighbors (especially next door) because they have a dog they leave out in their backyard most of the time.
And OMG, I just now "tapped the window" , and they're hitting the window, and it sounds like tiny rocks being thrown at the window as it's such a frenzy outside as they're trying to get me I think! Like they want to attack but the glass is the boundary! OMG is all I can say.
I love the bees, but definitely not "these killer bees". And with all the DNA manipulations they can do to our foods, I don't know why they don't tweak something to take the "killer out of these suckers".
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Post by Baraka Obam on Aug 21, 2015 11:06:19 GMT -5
You by now must know my manner or you are overlooking it.
I do not take anything I find, and say, this is it, IT IS IT and I know what it is.
Things I find are suspect, if I had ten ulcered up fiber filled, hair falling out loose teeth people sitting here, if I checked thir fluids, blood and feces every day, if I could control what they ate, and drank, I could still not be sure of what exactly all of the information that I harvested means.
Even if I had a test group that was seemingly healthy because I KNOW, many that have this have no signs of it as of yet.
What I need is a pure medium to use capable to develop this life form, anomalie, DNA disrupter, or whatever or however it works.
In a world so full of life, where new life forms inside of life, it seems a daunting task to find the stealthy that hides in unconventional ways.
It is my nature not to trust anything, ANSWER, I have even learned to question those, doctors have taught me, ten doctors 10 different answers.
I am more interested by items than convinced of anything.
In the spreading of the tubuals that is clearly shown in my video, fluid on the slide still being wet, they are not cracks, their definition and manner says the tubes are not a random crack but consistent in their shape and color.
These forms change when in thick blood or primarily in yellow fluid, when these tubes intersects with red blood cells, the cells reacts by turning turn black and are empty sometimes clear or black inside. very easy to see, they are also new strands that strike out from the clusters of red blood cells, the energy of the red blood cells consumption causes tiny little new strands to strike out.
What do I consider this to be, ODD, I am not on a hunt for anything because I do not know what I am looking for, but the tubes are certainly not cracks, their formation proves itself time and time again to do the exact same thing.
This is neither here nor there, for me it is a observation not seen until I harvested pure yellow fluid by stopping blood flow completely with hydrogen peroxide.
I know in your mind your imagining I am trying to convince you of something, this I do not have to do I am convinced of what I have seen.
Anyway, further up the chain is the mucus in the colon, mucus in the digestive tract is a PROTECTIVE DEVICE, it forms when there is a irritant such as disease or parasite is what THEY say.
The problem the mucus can cause lack of absorption of nutrients.
First off, the mucus had never been seen before in the exudes of MY digestive tract, UNTILL the use of ozone infused into the colon, at that time and only at that time a large mass of the fluid came out and although the strands could not be seen at first as they were the exact same color, prodding the material you could easily separate long solid yellow strands, some would say worms, I would never say anything but strands as I could not PROVE them to be anything else.
They were well defined with a hollow center suggesting a possible digestive tract, but this does not prove anything, there was nothing distinguished about the ends, suggesting if it was parasitic the heads were actually buried inside the body, then you would have to ask yourself, why would the part subjected to the ozone just break, snap off, instead of being damaged at one end why wasn't the whole thing dissolved, there could be many answers.
These were very long, others with microscopes such as scabdragger showed the buildup of this matter inside the digestive tract.
Anyway, neither here nor there for me, for you, these could be roots in the colon supplying a plant life that is able to exist in the human body, for me, they are a unexplained tube formation, a oddity that is for some reason released from the wall of the digestive tract because of the infusion of ozone.
More information is needed and all of that information gathered is suspect.
In my life I have solved so many perplexing problems that others have failed at, not one but many, did this in a very quick manner. the only reason I could do it so well, method, I am methodical.
It is always best to start from the beginning, not from where they tell me to start, I know, they have missed something.
Do you want to know how loud they scream when I ask the simple questions, they demand that I go further, the beginning is not the right place to start.
They have already been at the beginning and they have decided the start is not the answer.
They have asked me for help, but bay at the moon when I interview them, that I am a fool, so I stop asking questions and just do the preliminary and soon have the simplistic answer, they feel stupid, and I feel relieved that my senses are still good.
You would wonder, did these men learn from me to go back over their work and start once again from the beginning, NO, they always grasp at what their mind tells them to think.
They have no method.
They will not follow protocol to find the answer, they want to jump to conclusion.
It may work some times, usually it just muddies the water, complicates every answer to come after. That is all I am saying, it seems you dismiss all that you come into contact with except for what you want to believe.
I am not saying that what I have found has any bearing, but what if you are wrong and it a part of the answer you LEAP over.
There are many things that says a system is being built, the skin concave lines that intersect with the dots on the skin, the tubules in the digestive tract in the yellow fluid and the videos of the tubes forming in the yellow fluid.
These things, do they mean anything, I do not know, I can not say. They are observations, observations I do not dismiss, as well as I will not dismiss your pictures of what you think you have found.
In fact I may slap you on the back and say, good job of observation.
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Post by toni on Aug 21, 2015 13:49:00 GMT -5
I can't "talk" right now ( because of the Killer Bees) we have learned now is for certain, which I "talked about in this thread here" earlier, because there are some things that are just as important to me, and this is one of them.
There's actually 2 killer bee hives they said, but not on our property, but they're "wanting to build on our property now" because they've discovered our hummingbird feeders. The "bee" company just left".
Baraka, your spirals "are" important to me. I wish you didn't mis-understand everything I've said.
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Post by absurdlyhaywired on Aug 21, 2015 22:42:35 GMT -5
HI Y'ALL----hey Toni! here're pics of pieces of that "vessel" stuff. I have more but I can't get to them right now--I'm on a borrowed computer--- In this video there's a good shot at 5:04-5:10 or so............ I can't "talk" right now---I haven't read everything here yet, either----I'm sooooooooo tired. www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvUPrmGIvPI Attachments:
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Post by toni on Aug 22, 2015 18:51:38 GMT -5
HI Y'ALL----hey Toni! here're pics of pieces of that "vessel" stuff. I have more but I can't get to them right now--I'm on a borrowed computer--- In this video there's a good shot at 5:04-5:10 or so............ I can't "talk" right now---I haven't read everything here yet, either----I'm sooooooooo tired. www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvUPrmGIvPI Hi Absurdly, Good to see you, and it was sure nice of you too to post this! Yes, that "specimen there" that you've got ....(imho) that sure does imho look like "something very important". It appears pitted, as they call it, and the uniformity of it, the shape, everything about it..... it doesn't look like that was that was just anything just ripped off of the skin" - and it sure doesn't look like anything that goes with our skin or parts either - BUT it sure does look like it grew in that "shape" for some kind of purpose imho. Thanks so much Absurdly.
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