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Post by grsue on Jun 21, 2006 22:24:05 GMT -5
Dear All,
OK, I am not computer literate, so I do not know how to cut and paste. Will have to get help for that,to post my evidence I just found, but today when I was meditating on what this is and how to treat it, I recalled something. I was bitten by fleas and horse flies, and other small white/ gnat type of flies when this happened to me. I have written this repeatedly. In our yard , we have all sorts of birds and wild life-including, lots of opposums! What does that mean? I thought-"It's a protozoa infection, the hair follicules are infected, I was bitten by a fly/flea, it's zoologic-zodiac in nature"..what about local wildlife besides the bats mentioned on another thread- here?"
Look up the term EPM- Equine Protozoal Myeloencephalitis. It is something that infects horses, who have ingested opposum dung.
Hmmm- My former dog would eat droppings in the yard. She regularly ate grass that could be infected with bird and opposum droppings. She licked me, slept at my feet, and I took care of her as she was so frail for two years-therfore I had a lot of contact with her. I also go barefoot outside, often, and we have opposums-road killed, everywhere around, and skunks, and racoons... I also have open cracks on my hands /feet and have had for years due to contact dermatitis and allergies...open cracks=an invitation to germs... Let me be clear-these opposums carry this protozoa and pass it on to a horse, or such, that gets into its droppings and it makes the horse very sick. There is a cross over to humans. I just looked it up. So if one had opposums in the yard, and was exposed to the droppings, could it be what has infected us?
I HAVE had encephalitis from horses exactly 20 years ago this summer. My two babies and I were extremely ill and ended up in ICU/hospital, so did it remain dormant? Or was I exposed to it through being in a yard with opposums/dung, or the dog ingested it and licked me-on a sore, on the mouth, etc? Or via birds?
This is a parasitic infection. Protozoa type. I don't know about all the various symptoms we have being recorded by other humans , but my gut says I am on to something.
I thought of this when I thought of someone I know who received horse serum for cancer. Someone just mentioned that this looks a lot like cancer that someone has.. would I please go see a DR.?...and one thought led to another somehow.
Could it be? grs
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Post by grsue on Jun 21, 2006 22:43:17 GMT -5
PS-I am NOT saying it is encephalitis, but could this be from opposums ( droppings or fleas) or birds for that matter, as they carry the same protozoa disease that causes this in horses? Could a horse serum be of any help to us to get rid of this infection? This protozoa could cause toxins to exist in us, as it has in mice, which could cause the fatigue, the insomnia and other neuro type troubles- or just the skin stuff...just thinking.
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Post by skytroll on Jun 21, 2006 23:30:08 GMT -5
GR sue,
I read where the phorid fly that was released in CA. Tx Al, LA, Fla etc the beauveria bassiana that was injected into them was being picked up by horse flies. Other innsects pick this up when these flies where released. The phorid fly is not very big. I bet it can infect any animal.
Also, what you are saying there are horses that have had onchocerciasis, mix that with the phorid fly bite, or horse fly bite, both and the one you mention could be part of all of this.
Oppossoms get onchocerciasis too. We had squirrels that had "squirrel pox" What about those droppings, picked up by the phorid along with it's nasty bacteria it carries.
The phorid looks like a midge, gnat, very small. but it was released to kill fire ants in the south, however, they can go anywhere, when weather is warm. I have gnat like things exiting my face now.
This is my theory, the phorid goes into our skin or lays the eggs when bites, then the bacteria is in us with the larvae of the worm, protozoa, same with animals. However the larvae of the phorid is in us too, meaning the phorid will hatch in us, the bacteria is there the viroid, and the larvae of the worm and/or fungus. All of it could be in one fly, that spreads it to others, picked up by other flies, fleas, collembola, mites, ticks.
Great thinking there Sue, We have a race track over here, and there could be hundreds of horses infected with this, and this gets in air, etc. It think the crossover horizontal transfers of what the phorid fly contains, is key to it. Some have been injected with worm larvae and bacteria, some with fungus, some with other bacterias and viruses vectored through spores.
Great thinking there, if you had that 20 years ago, can it be chronic?
Skytroll
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Post by DOCP on Jun 21, 2006 23:54:43 GMT -5
grsue - a possibility. Interesting. There is a lot of info on it. Here's one paper. I did not read about hair follicle infection so far in the ones I read. Thanks. tinyurl.com/gc3hyJust so you know, couple ways to cut & paste: Left click and hold it down while you run it over text you want to copy, then release. The text should look highlighted. Then place your mouse anywhere on top of highlighted area and this time you right click once but don't hold it down. A small window should appear, left click on the word "copy." Go whereever you want to put the text, say you open word document or compose message here... just put your cursor where you want to drop it off, then right click once, the same window will come up as before. Then left click on "paste" and... presto you're done. Or highlight by dragging mouse the same. Go up to "edit" on tool bar, click copy... go to your drop off place and leave cursor, go up to edit again and now hit paste. Or... nevamind cuz each is waaaay easier done... than said. Trust me.
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Post by grsue on Jun 22, 2006 0:27:04 GMT -5
Bingo! Skytroll-
You are right. It could be part of it. Those darn flies are all over my house and we sprayed the house, yard, roof, put new screens in two days ago, put borax pwd around all suspected areas..and they are all over. ALL OVER! They land on me all the time too-so I never really know if what I am wiping off is a newly hatched one or a dead one.
Remember , a while back, I wrote about how all of these things seemed to fly off me-one night--like PigPen in Peanuts cartoon. I was under bright lights in a rest room, a year ago, and there were all these things flying around me for a moment. How embarrassing! Could be a stage of a fly? I was in a movie theater-I'll never forget how embarrassed and shocked I was for a moment. Did they want to land on me? Or did they come off me, or my clothes? Who knows? I think, b/c I am diabetic, they are attracted to sweet smells, perhaps?
Sky, here's what I have come up with-see what you think:What creates Morgellons? Ans: Our hair follicules get infected with a micro-organism known-i think- as a protozoa or protoplasam?( Over the past fewweeks, I was posting that I thought it was Mycoplasma infection and I asked about types of it, recently..) Hair follicules get infected with this micro-organism, protozoa &/or the protoplasam gets into the host via a carrier-it's an infection with a zoological type of infection-under the umbrella of a "zodiac" problem-not nice to humans. Wear a big flea collar? Flytraps in every room?
How to get rid of it? Some reading talked about the use of horse serums being useful.
Horses are all around us. In fact , a well known horse farm for Arabians is only blocks away from me now.They are all around the area in which I live, and where I go, drive by, etc. Did it stay dormant in me? OMG, I hope not, asthat means my kids would have it too. I camped at a ranch , 20 years ago, with our children, and as soon as we got there, we were told not to drink the wter, as people were getting very sick. We must've used the water, and we petted the horses, rode them, camped feet away from them, and within hours, one of our children was so feverish, he was hallucinating. My baby and I ended up hospitalized and sooo sick. We had encephalitis/menigitis...High fever-headache, neck stiffness, etc.
I digress. To kick this, we may need big horse shoes.(big arsenal) . One thing is put diazinon(sp?) everywhere around your house! Use chemicals-whether you agree with that thinking or not, to keep the flies, gnats, horse flies, fleas, gone. Spray the roof and around windows-some types of leaves put in window sills repell that is, by non-chemical means of treating it, but this is your life! But we have done all this, and they persist.Who am I to talk?
I would advise not to feed it-so stay off sugar. I'm trying aspartame-it's a poison-I won't do it for long-it does make the prickiling go crazy-drives them nuts-and maybe out???I was on a 4 day diet of mediteranian food-to slow it all down-just drank pop-diet-carbonation and aspartame...worth a try, vinegar tabs, asprin and Vit Bs. restart garlic soon-ie-become inhabitable and don't feed them. I agree with the oxygen products and the willow bark/ asprin, bubble them out with o2 or food grade hydrogen peroxide and the asprin/willow.
I agree with everything you have to say above, and yes, we have a tremendous amount of squirrels around here, just ask my dog! But what caught my eye, tonight, was the matter about the opposums-and what they carry-and how prevalent they are around here. Then, there was the mention of the cross over to mice, birds, humans-I just Googled it. Darnit! This is gross.
So, Sky, this then says something about why some are having success with the eco-vie and the Betadine-which kills micro organisms. What test do we need? What do we say to a Dr. to get this out of us? I'm going to go live in a bubble, somewhere, away from horses. No flies on me! It will have a big horse shoe hanging over the door for a lot of luck-because, I could use it ! I'd rather be horsing around than to take horse serum-or have a fly infestation.My horse sense says we are on the right track. grs
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Post by Metta on Jun 22, 2006 0:33:37 GMT -5
The Phorid fly is what was dx from the CDC that was taken out of my eye-- My Dr. & her staff watched them hatch from larva she took from me. do you know what they did about this? Nothing! I was desperate for help.. before Having to fly to Tulane U. I called my Senator for help, and I was so sick, not wanting to get on a plane I begged them to help to find someone in my area to fix this problem.. they thought I was Looney, so 20 minutes later the phone rang and it was a U.S. Marshall, wanting to kow if I was ok.. I told him my story, and then he asked if anyone else was home.. I KNEW he thought I was Looney too.. sooo I handed the phone to my husband, who was with me at many dr. appts. where the Dr. had taken the samples out, and he told the Marshall the same story-- the Marshall said if that was him he wouldn't be able to handle it, and wished me good luck. Not ten minutes later there is a knock on my door, there is my local policeman. He says "Senator Carnahan's office called them cuz they were worried about me!!!!" soooo I whip out all my medical documents, show him the faxes to & from Mary Shepherds office (CDC parasitology) and Proof of all I said to other's---- this cop say's--- "Man if that was me & no-one helped me, I'd probably blow my head off" But.... yes, those flies have been one of the one's that many of us have equated with this unknown. After having the hole next to my eye, where either I was biten, orrrr.. maybe something burrowed in there, my whole eyelid turned black, my left eye to this day--five years later looks darker than the right one, and that is the eye and temple area I have the most problems with! always fiber's! Somewhere in my notes is the info Ms.Shepherd sent me on how to rid your drains of them.. cuz they are hard to eliminate-- I will have to look. DF-5000 Drainfly Elimination 216-391-8300 Metta
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Post by grsue on Jun 22, 2006 0:50:26 GMT -5
DOCP- Thanks for trying. My kids have shown me, once, how to go ctrl/ c cntrl something else -I need to practice.
Just look at your skin. My sores are so big, and all over, but it could be hair follicules involved. Maybe I'm just a hairier person than you are.
Metta- How horrible! Seriously, how horrible! The flies were in our bathroom when this began, and they are still there. Yesterday, I wiped the bathroom, top to bottom, with OdorBan from Sam's. I left the stuff soaking inthe tub for hours. Went back to drain it-it supposedly kills even HIV virus-but what did I see? These stupid flies just veging out on the tub sides. The family has complained that they see these small flies-JUMPING around the bathtub and bathroom.We thought they were fleas! PLEASE look up the info and I will do what it says-I'll moth ball the house, if need be. What is the DF-5000 and number above? Do I call that? Then, what do we do about the prickling and all? grs
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Post by grsue on Jun 22, 2006 0:54:34 GMT -5
PS Didn't LadyCop say this was about flies? That we would have to take-Cipro- and bomb the house, clean like crazy, etc.
these things can just fly from the South, up here, I suppose, but my husband has also been to those areas , Skytroll mentioned, over the past couple of years. In fact, they are flying around me as I type this!
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Post by questionhair on Jun 22, 2006 1:09:47 GMT -5
If there is an insect vector, it could be a multitude of insects.
I have horses, but I don't have swarms of flies in the house, outside the house, or in the barn.
I use natural methods to discourage flies - including fly bags, essential oil sprayed on the horses, timely manure clean-up, and I put essential oil on myself.
There are flies, of course, but not a lot of them. They don't like the essential oils, so they are only attracted to the Rescue fly bags, and once they go inside, they don't come out.
When I did have collembola coming from the drains, I poured hydrogen peroxide into the drains.
I think my insect vector was lice or scabies. But, it's possible that any insect vectored this.
Ticks, mosquitoes, fleas, lice, scabies, bed bugs, various mites, biting flies, and others.
Depending on where you are, the season, and the weather, it could be any insect carrying bacteria or something that kicks this off in the human body.
We all look for something in common, but I think it will take scientists to figure the real cause - so I focus on staying healthy and doing healthy stuff.
Best Wishes to All,
QH
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Post by skytroll on Jun 22, 2006 1:48:34 GMT -5
The phorid is one vector, there are others, most likely around the same size as the phorid or bigger. It is the fungi that is the fiber, since it is inert. Fungus grows slowly. Fiber balls from the white fuzz of the Beauveria bassiana is what kills the ant.
Phorids were imported to kill the imported fire ants. They were modified by a university with the Beauveria bassiana. This can infect other vectors, so the vectors may be many.
I have seen carcasses of circadias, which meant this fuzz ate the insides of this bug. Many have seen the fibers wrap around and go inside large bugs and destroy from the inside.
So, if the fibers are inert, the black, red, then fungus is mainly inert, does not grow as fast as microfilaria. The fibers could be filaments then.
The problem now for many is killing the phorid fly. It still has the bacterium Beauveria bassiana in it. If it does not find fireants, what will stop it from infecting any other bug?
Nothing. I have seen this fuzz on my back porch on the cement step. It grows like mold.
Now, many insect carcasses are found in my back yard, also. Now if this can penetrate through the hard shell of the insect what will it do to our soft skin, eyes, hair?
Skytroll
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Post by patricia1 on Jun 22, 2006 1:49:07 GMT -5
Hi! Back when found this site, I posted (jan.31,06) on lyme support. I had mentioned that one of my horses got real sick, she had EPM. While I was treating her EPM for two weeks(she's a thorougbred-have not figured out the reason why yet but thorougbreds and Arabians are more suseptible to EPM than other breeds) ( had her on a IV of DMSO and Saline) Is when I first became real sick! I,m glad you brought this up. I have done quite abit of studying on EPM. Mabe I can help with this subject in someway. Thank you, Patti2
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Post by skytroll on Jun 22, 2006 1:53:31 GMT -5
Patricia1,
Does this cause skin lesions on the horse? Is it related to onchocerciasis of horses?
Skytroll
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Post by patricia1 on Jun 22, 2006 3:05:52 GMT -5
Yes to both - the lesions can appear any where on the horse. In my horse's case, she had one big lesion on the underside of her belly and quite a few around her ankles. Now horses tend to fall down alot when they have EPM because they cannot coordinate their movement(they don't know where their hoofs(feet) are) and partially because the vision loss which I contribute to the Oncho... EPM affect the central nervous system and spinal cord. Symptoms my horse displayed: Lesions, now she would have large cuts at bottom of legs from falling down. I would notice several little lesions within the cut/gash.... vision loss/glazed over eye thick mucous in corner of eye brown specks around behind Like us, she has some good, alot bad and worse days! Tommorow oops To-day I'm going to talk to the vet some more about this!
Patti2
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Post by hannah on Jun 22, 2006 5:54:28 GMT -5
I think there is a lot in what's being said and feel that in our case it could relate to an invasion of moths we had.
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Post by tonie on Jun 22, 2006 8:02:46 GMT -5
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Post by hannah on Jun 22, 2006 9:22:23 GMT -5
Well, at least they have developed a vaccine for the horses, makes you hopeful that humans could have some appropriate medical responses.
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Post by DOCP on Jun 22, 2006 14:15:21 GMT -5
GRSUE - Are you kidding? Me not have issue with follicles, hair, peach fuzz hair, eyebrow hair, hair there and everywhere? This is my numero uno problemo! Though the little doohickys swimmin round my tummy and the sores are a close close 2nd. No no it's that I misunderstood post... I thought you meant the equine condition was causing that symptom in the horses too. My bad. Sorry. But dangit... wish we could pin down what causes the hair scare. Make no mistake... I AM Medusa. cept a lot cuter. One thing I did read (which is first time i've read ever), is that they treat horses with many things but one is folic acid and prefer the folialic form... to prevent anemia. Okay so I take three hypodermic shots a week of Vit B12 which is supposed to help with energy, red blood cells, iron metab, etc. Yet they have little effect. What's weird is that before starting shots... I took a B12 sublingual tablet everyday and it is the one vitamin that I can tell when I forget it. It makes a noticeable difference. But makes no sense that the shot doesn't work at all since it's 50times more potent. I just looked at my VitB bottle and it's B12 and Folic acid. I am so excited about discovering this! I need the folic, just like the horses do, like we do when we're pregnant. For anyone struggling with energy who isn't taking a good B supplement. I suggest it. Preferably one with B6, B5, B3 and... folic of course.
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Post by DOCP on Jun 22, 2006 14:45:07 GMT -5
Meeta - No effing way! I'm a bit stunned and need to reread your post. You brave thing. Sky, QH, grsue - this is all very telling info. Like it's starting to mesh somehow. Patricia1 - My 1st horse in 4-H (yes I'm a nerd), "Ginger" an Arabian sorrel mare. 2nd "Valley Girl" Thoroughbred bay mare. Last one (had to sell few years ago after divorce, couldn't afford at time, bright side... she went to coolest lady. But I think I'm gonna cry anyway).... I'm back. Anyway, she "Punk-kin" Thoroughbred Paint also a mare. I have never heard this. I want to know why they are more susceptible? That is curious. And could explain why my high spirited Arabian grew tired and lack-luster before her time.
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Post by Metta on Jun 22, 2006 15:03:22 GMT -5
The info Mary Shepherd sent to me, and I had talked to her on the phone about the fly situation too... was very helpful. During the time when all of us around me got sick, we all had those 'drain-flies, fungus gnats, sewer flies' or whatever they are called in your area, in our home's,. The city told me that there was a big problem with them and with new construction on streets etc. they were infesting peoples homes. As I wrote above^^ they are very hard to eradicate.. chemicals do not rid them, nor does water blasting them down the drain. They attach themselves to the side's of the drain's, blow a bubble to keep them secured to the drain, that is like glue. That's why she told me about this DF-5000 Drainfly eliminator... it use to be that ONLY a plumber could order it. I called many plumbers in my area at that time, and None had heard of it, but wanted to obtain it as they had had many customer's with my same complaint. I don't know if there is info on the web about this product but here is more.. that you may ant to ask your local plumber to order for you--- DF-5000 Drainfly Eliminator J.I. Holcomb Manufacturer 4500 Euclid Ave. Cleveland,Ohio 44103 1-216-391-8300 I have some where in my files more info on Phorid flies. But found the name of the Phorid Fly specialist where I also had sent samples to-- Brian V. Brown (I think he's a Dr. of Entomology) his last e-mail address was-- bbrown@nhm.org---- but that was about three years ago, so who know's if that is stiil the same one? He was in Entomology at the Natural History Museum in L.A. When the Dr. took the larva from my eye- I made her write a letter stateing what she had done, and what dx she gave me... she wrote I had "Palpebral Myiasis" meaning "fly infestation of the eye lid, & lashes" Now let's say this is what these fiber's are?? I Have Never seen anything move, like one would think a "worm--larva" would-- My thought is that this is fungus?? After having that hole next to my eye appear in which at the time I assumed that while I was sleeping a spider had biten me there, so not having any insurance at the time, I applied some prid salve on the area-- as I said my whole eye turned black-and was swollen for over a month! The hole was visible for many years after that. And.. when I began looking closer at myself-using an otoscope, in my nose there appeared hole's.. and the Turbinate on my one side enlarged so much you couldn't even see up my nose, then the other side enlarged too-- I examined other's who were sick around me too, and saw the same thing! There were time's that there was a clear thick liquid strung across from one side of the inside of my nostril to the other, and you could see a ?? fiber? or?? in the fluid. During certain time's I could feel something moving from the area of the hole go from there, it traveled down along the top of my cheek bone, under my eye, then to my left temple-- when that happened I could actually hear this-- a crackeling-popping sound, and I would become like a zombie for a minute or two.. having no sense's, unable to move, or talk, then right after the movement I had a neurological episode where my hand-s shook? Umm like this organism had hit or gotten in a nerve? It was really weird & scarey! One of those episode's my husband took note's while watching this happen.. it has been four years since that happened--- I think? that what this did was made a pathway in my sinus cavities! Eventually making it's way to the back of my neck--aka "the circle of willis area" Now as the Dr. at Tulane told me--that most cases of Myiasis only last about 2 years in human's, maybe?? that is true, but what about the crap they bring with them! Of course I studied all the things they may have given me.. and then had seen during that time and caught on fly-strips ton's of the green metallic copper eye's blow-flies, in which they do carry the "new world screw worm"-- hell I watched them devour a dead rabbit in the street in front of my house in a matter of hours--- I sent the strip to Tulane to send to the CDC.. and NEVER heard anything back from them--(we as citizens can Not just send things to the CDC, it is done only by our Dr's- like after the Dr. took the larva out of me she sent them to there) Dr.Witzig at Tulane had just gotten back from the tropic's and studied & saw people who had the disease's I was looking in to--- and I can say this.. IF what you think is something like Oncho, Leishamnia-etc..you'd be far more sicker than this, and or dead!!! In all the info I read about the 'Blow flies' one web-site was about how Iraq said that the US put them in Iraq as Bioterrorism, and the U.S say's that Iraq made them to infest us! And then of course ya have the sand-flie's/flea's over there that carry those parasite's too! Like I said in my post titled "The truth" none of us really know what the other's Really have! The possibilities are endless!!! If it were something like Leishmania-- do you think your dr. tests for this?? NO!!! They would have to order a special kit from the CDC to do a special test for it, and I guarantee yo that your local Quest lab does NOT have this test! Even something like Trypsonoma Cruzi in which they have the same genetic marker's as human's do, is a specialized test! But the way this ?? acts is sooo much like one would think a parasite does, with it's cycle, and being able to be "Pleomorphic" (able to change forms) and the floating fiber's-- being this ?? could be in it's "Anorobic" state-(dried out?) then I learned about stuff like "Klebsella" how it is cottony, can stay in the environment for up to 30 days, and that it goes from the gut, to the spine, and travels through out your body. Soooo who know's? Hope this info helps. Sheesh, I tell ya, here I am, five years later back at the same place I started at! It is quite maddening ya know? Metta
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Post by tonie on Jun 22, 2006 15:04:35 GMT -5
DOCP,
I sure agree about the B-12. Something else that really helps with the energy, and always has for me, is B-Complex supplements, and with this Morgellons, lots of antioxidants really keep the energy part going strong. I look like a disasterous tripled case of measles, but I've got energy.
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