Post by prevenge on Feb 15, 2007 23:37:19 GMT -5
k.. well.. after visiting this link i found on our board...
www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/weblog/comments/2459/P400/
i found this comment...
" It's a real disease, I had it and have never used meth. I cured it with auto-urine therapy, yes, drinking my own urine. grin"
Posted by saraz in USA on Sat Jul 15, 2006 at 07:04 AM
i researched auto-urine therapy and found "Amorili / Shivambu" an ancient Yogic practice.
I researched that and found "urotherapy"...
here's a paste from a post found here...
forums.therx.com/showthread.php?t=129337
have a fun read!
"weeee!"
Urine Therapy
If health is what you urine for, try this..
by MYF00TBALLGAME
Though we have been conditioned to think of urine as "dirty," quite the opposite is true. Urine fresh from the "spigot" is actually sterile, devoid of any pathogens at all, (except in the case of a urinary or kidney infection). Urine is 95 percent water. The other five percent of our urine is made of dissolved and suspended solids, none of which are toxic. The two main components are simple salt and a compound called urea. In addition to salt and urea, other elements include hormones, proteins, antibodies and other beneficial pharmacological agents. So far from being harmful, urine actually does have known healing agents. Furthermore, if urine has a bad taste or smell, it is generally from the diet or habits of the contributor. Poor diet, poor habits and you will get a rank and smelly urine. The point is that urine components reflect the provider.
"Welcome aboard. Coffee, tea or pee?"
When Ferdinand Magellan's fleet of five set out to circumnavigate the globe in 1519, the manifest gave each ship "50 casks of water, fresh and pure." It wasn't enough. Of course his crew knew they would have to locate water along the way. Unfortunately, finding themselves in uncharted waters and out of water 18 months into the voyage, they became desperate. With no hope of a fresh water source, they took what was the only recourse. They drank their own urine. Wrote one crewman, "It was surprisingly not unsavory, having no worse a taste than a flagon most foul with rancid port, as many I have tasted before." And after all, it did save their lives.
When NASA finally launches the manned Mars mission in 2003, the ship won't carry enough water for the 18 month voyage. Like their preceding explorers, they will have to find water along the way. This presents a problem since rainfall outside the Van Allen Belt is pretty rare. NASA's answer? If it worked for Magellan it can work for Mars. Drink urine. Though filtered, purified and recycled, it will probably take a little getting used to. But there are millions of people throughout history who have actually swallowed the idea of urine as medicine. It is often called urotherapy.
"Drink waters out of thine own cistern"
- Book of Proverbs
Given a choice between "a flagon most foul with rancid port" and drinking their own urine, most will probably choose the rancid port. Surprisingly though, many would not. The belief that urine has powerful healing properties existed even centuries before the Bible extolled its virtues. Cultures throughout all time have used urine for healing. Many practices have included the use of urine from other species such as cows or horses. But most common is using one's own "Golden Fountain" as the source. And a scientific analysis of urine would find it healthier than a "flagon most foul."
Though we have been conditioned to think of urine as "dirty," quite the opposite is true. Urine fresh from the "spigot" is actually sterile, devoid of any pathogens at all, (except in the case of a urinary or kidney infection). Urine is 95 percent water. The other five percent of our urine is made of dissolved and suspended solids, none of which are toxic. The two main components are simple salt and a compound called urea. In addition to salt and urea, other elements include hormones, proteins, antibodies and other beneficial pharmacological agents. So far from being harmful, urine actually does have known healing agents. Furthermore, if urine has a bad taste or smell, it is generally from the diet or habits of the contributor. Poor diet, poor habits and you will get a rank and smelly urine. The point is that urine components reflect the provider.
Usually the suggestion follows the Bible, to drink only our own "waters"; though there are times when urine from a select group is recommended. Sometimes, as in cases of wishing to enhance fertility, one would drink urine high in hormonal content of the right kind. This understanding led to a modern-day application. Serono Laboratories in Italy used the urine of post-menopausal nuns to prepare the pharmaceutical extract Pergonal, prescribed to stimulate fertility. And many women receiving hormone replacement therapy right now are receiving doses derived from horse urine.
Though fresh urine is sterile, left standing it will provide an excellent medium for bacterial growth. Therefor it is always advisable to use fresh. Don't try to keep it in the 'fridge overnight or for when guests drop in. Ancient texts that describe the practice tell us to drink the middle of the flow. Presumably this would eliminate any trace bacteria from the urethra in the first part or leftover from bladder walls in the last spurts. After all, even with a fine red wine, you still don't drink the dregs.
For thousands of years, nearly every culture in recorded history has included urine therapy for all manner of disease or injury. Hindu yogic practices have noted the benefits of drinking our own urine. Ancient Chinese medical texts record specific ways to use urine and even describe how it can be purified into a powdered crystal to satisfy any squeamishness on the part of the patient. Indigenous Americans encountered in 1806 by Lewis and Clark's expedition to Oregon had the custom "of bathing themselves all over with urine every morning," according to Lewis. Saharan Bedouins use urine to cleanse burns and wounds. When British officers during World War Two observed the practice, they were shocked. But actually it was the same medical practice described in the Ebers Papyrus of 1500 B.C, one of the oldest surviving documents of Egyptian history. The Aztec civilization also used urine to heal wounds. Various other cultures recommend drinking urine to increase fertility and stimulate sexuality. It is historically used to break down blood clots. It is used as a sleep aid, to cure yeast infections, fever, oral infections, diabetes, cancer and of course, bladder problems! As a topical medicine, it is used to heal wounds and rashes; to cleanse and tone the skin. And the claims continue. The list of maladies that urotherapy is used to fight is long and varied. Recently, urotherapy is used in the fight against the complex of conditions that make up AIDS. Perhaps because the substances believed therapeutic in urine are many and varied, advocates say it has a broad-spectrum effect on the multiple symptoms presented in AIDS.
In the ayurvedic tradition of yoga, drinking one's urine is called amaroli. Because extensive Vedic texts exist from at least 2000 B.C., this practice provides us with much of the most thorough guidance available. Yogic techniques tell us exactly how to go about drinking or applying amaroli. One of the most famous users of urine therapy was Prime Minister of India from 1977 to 1979, Morarji Desai. On the occasion of his ninety-ninth birthday in 1995, Desai attributed his longevity to drinking his morning urine on a daily basis.
Admittedly, there is very little Western science evidence to support the historical claims. After all, how would a researcher fare in submitting a grant proposal for such funding? "We are asking for five million dollars to investigate the health properties of pee cocktails." Or even more difficult, how would one find a test group to drink their own urine? And what would you give the control group? Apple juice?
Despite the paucity of modern scientific substantiation, there is some common-sense evidence that explains why some of these beliefs exist. Let's start with using urine to sterilize and cleanse wounds.
Remember a major component of urine is urea. Urea is commonly recognized as an effective antibacterial, antifungal and antiviral agent. Its mechanism is simple. The presence of urea in the urine is the result of the body's chemical balancing of sodium chloride and water ratio. When used on a wound, urea causes an osmotic imbalance that kills bacteria and fungus. It is so effective it is used in many topical ointments and creams sold pharmaceutically, both prescription and over-the-counter. Urea is found in a broad range of medicines used to treat inflammation. It is a main ingredient in the medicine Herpigon, used to treat herpes infections.
Urine also can smooth and moisturize the skin. Your face cream or wrinkle remover most likely has urea or a derivative in it. Check out the ingredients. Each time you use it you are effectively smearing urine on your face. According to John Armstrong's 1971 book, The Water of Life, expensive and elegant European facial soaps often contain human, cow or pig urine.
Historical anecdotes have said that drinking urine can prevent strokes and help break down blood clots and scabs. This lore was applied when investigators in the nineteenth century found that some component of urine could digest proteins, specifically fibrin, the key in clotting. In 1952, G.W. Sobel isolated the enzyme in urine that the folk lore claimed. He named it urokinase and it is now used in preparations to break up clots in heart disease and stroke. Apparently folk lore was right. Did modern medicine make it better or just more expensive? Certainly it's easier to sell.
HOW DO YOU MAKE A HORMONE?
Urine contains a number of different hormones. Fertility drugs contain estrogens from human urine that stimulate ovulation in women and sperm production in men. Maybe the Zimbabwean tribe that drinks baboon urine in beer as an aphrodisiac has reason to do so. (I'll stick to a scotch and soda.) If you're taking Premarin, it's prepared from mares' urine and other natural sources, including human.
Several references recommend drinking urine for sleeplessness. And it's a well-known fact now that melatonin is a natural hormone that helps regulate sleep. So guess what? Melatonin is present in significant amounts in the urine, especially morning urine. And not only melatonin is present. There is a compound known as muramyl dipeptide. Simply put, it mirrors the action of seratonin, another well-known calming hormone. These may explain why Vedic texts recommend that yogis practice amaroli to enhance the ability to meditate more deeply.
Often there are broad, sweeping claims made by proponents of almost every therapeutic modality. To entertain the possibility that urine therapy can cure everything from canker sores to cancer seems to be one of those claims. There is no therapy, massage therapy to chemotherapy, aromatherapy to heart surgery, that can hope to meet claims of 100 percent success. And honestly, I don't think most proponents of urine therapy intend such claims. But despite the first impression that the Western mind often has of seeing the modern practice of amaroli as antiquated at least and revolting at most, its value need not be dismissed out-of-hand.
There is plenty of information on the internet about urotherapy. Not all of it is placed there by people trying to sell a product. After all, the best source is one's own "cistern" according to the Bible. Whether it's the ingestion of urine or its topical application, there seems to be scientific reason, if not scientific testing, that says it makes sense. The best advice is the advice you can give yourself. Know it exists. Find out more about it. Make your own decisions.
If Magellan had gotten some melatonin into a native chieftain in the South Pacific, he might have made it back to Spain. As it was, Ferdie interfered in a tribal dispute and was slain by a warrior who was ... peeed.
Be well.
I just wanted to try fitting all that into a smaller space with the smaller font.. use the keyboard buttons: ctrl and plus/minus at the same time to change font size (or mouse wheel while ctrl is pressed) to magnify them.
interesting read...
shedding taboos is tough.. but uh.. are you really THAT proud not to try?
interesting discussion must ensue...
-Peevenge
www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/weblog/comments/2459/P400/
i found this comment...
" It's a real disease, I had it and have never used meth. I cured it with auto-urine therapy, yes, drinking my own urine. grin"
Posted by saraz in USA on Sat Jul 15, 2006 at 07:04 AM
i researched auto-urine therapy and found "Amorili / Shivambu" an ancient Yogic practice.
I researched that and found "urotherapy"...
here's a paste from a post found here...
forums.therx.com/showthread.php?t=129337
have a fun read!
"weeee!"
Urine Therapy
If health is what you urine for, try this..
by MYF00TBALLGAME
Though we have been conditioned to think of urine as "dirty," quite the opposite is true. Urine fresh from the "spigot" is actually sterile, devoid of any pathogens at all, (except in the case of a urinary or kidney infection). Urine is 95 percent water. The other five percent of our urine is made of dissolved and suspended solids, none of which are toxic. The two main components are simple salt and a compound called urea. In addition to salt and urea, other elements include hormones, proteins, antibodies and other beneficial pharmacological agents. So far from being harmful, urine actually does have known healing agents. Furthermore, if urine has a bad taste or smell, it is generally from the diet or habits of the contributor. Poor diet, poor habits and you will get a rank and smelly urine. The point is that urine components reflect the provider.
"Welcome aboard. Coffee, tea or pee?"
When Ferdinand Magellan's fleet of five set out to circumnavigate the globe in 1519, the manifest gave each ship "50 casks of water, fresh and pure." It wasn't enough. Of course his crew knew they would have to locate water along the way. Unfortunately, finding themselves in uncharted waters and out of water 18 months into the voyage, they became desperate. With no hope of a fresh water source, they took what was the only recourse. They drank their own urine. Wrote one crewman, "It was surprisingly not unsavory, having no worse a taste than a flagon most foul with rancid port, as many I have tasted before." And after all, it did save their lives.
When NASA finally launches the manned Mars mission in 2003, the ship won't carry enough water for the 18 month voyage. Like their preceding explorers, they will have to find water along the way. This presents a problem since rainfall outside the Van Allen Belt is pretty rare. NASA's answer? If it worked for Magellan it can work for Mars. Drink urine. Though filtered, purified and recycled, it will probably take a little getting used to. But there are millions of people throughout history who have actually swallowed the idea of urine as medicine. It is often called urotherapy.
"Drink waters out of thine own cistern"
- Book of Proverbs
Given a choice between "a flagon most foul with rancid port" and drinking their own urine, most will probably choose the rancid port. Surprisingly though, many would not. The belief that urine has powerful healing properties existed even centuries before the Bible extolled its virtues. Cultures throughout all time have used urine for healing. Many practices have included the use of urine from other species such as cows or horses. But most common is using one's own "Golden Fountain" as the source. And a scientific analysis of urine would find it healthier than a "flagon most foul."
Though we have been conditioned to think of urine as "dirty," quite the opposite is true. Urine fresh from the "spigot" is actually sterile, devoid of any pathogens at all, (except in the case of a urinary or kidney infection). Urine is 95 percent water. The other five percent of our urine is made of dissolved and suspended solids, none of which are toxic. The two main components are simple salt and a compound called urea. In addition to salt and urea, other elements include hormones, proteins, antibodies and other beneficial pharmacological agents. So far from being harmful, urine actually does have known healing agents. Furthermore, if urine has a bad taste or smell, it is generally from the diet or habits of the contributor. Poor diet, poor habits and you will get a rank and smelly urine. The point is that urine components reflect the provider.
Usually the suggestion follows the Bible, to drink only our own "waters"; though there are times when urine from a select group is recommended. Sometimes, as in cases of wishing to enhance fertility, one would drink urine high in hormonal content of the right kind. This understanding led to a modern-day application. Serono Laboratories in Italy used the urine of post-menopausal nuns to prepare the pharmaceutical extract Pergonal, prescribed to stimulate fertility. And many women receiving hormone replacement therapy right now are receiving doses derived from horse urine.
Though fresh urine is sterile, left standing it will provide an excellent medium for bacterial growth. Therefor it is always advisable to use fresh. Don't try to keep it in the 'fridge overnight or for when guests drop in. Ancient texts that describe the practice tell us to drink the middle of the flow. Presumably this would eliminate any trace bacteria from the urethra in the first part or leftover from bladder walls in the last spurts. After all, even with a fine red wine, you still don't drink the dregs.
For thousands of years, nearly every culture in recorded history has included urine therapy for all manner of disease or injury. Hindu yogic practices have noted the benefits of drinking our own urine. Ancient Chinese medical texts record specific ways to use urine and even describe how it can be purified into a powdered crystal to satisfy any squeamishness on the part of the patient. Indigenous Americans encountered in 1806 by Lewis and Clark's expedition to Oregon had the custom "of bathing themselves all over with urine every morning," according to Lewis. Saharan Bedouins use urine to cleanse burns and wounds. When British officers during World War Two observed the practice, they were shocked. But actually it was the same medical practice described in the Ebers Papyrus of 1500 B.C, one of the oldest surviving documents of Egyptian history. The Aztec civilization also used urine to heal wounds. Various other cultures recommend drinking urine to increase fertility and stimulate sexuality. It is historically used to break down blood clots. It is used as a sleep aid, to cure yeast infections, fever, oral infections, diabetes, cancer and of course, bladder problems! As a topical medicine, it is used to heal wounds and rashes; to cleanse and tone the skin. And the claims continue. The list of maladies that urotherapy is used to fight is long and varied. Recently, urotherapy is used in the fight against the complex of conditions that make up AIDS. Perhaps because the substances believed therapeutic in urine are many and varied, advocates say it has a broad-spectrum effect on the multiple symptoms presented in AIDS.
In the ayurvedic tradition of yoga, drinking one's urine is called amaroli. Because extensive Vedic texts exist from at least 2000 B.C., this practice provides us with much of the most thorough guidance available. Yogic techniques tell us exactly how to go about drinking or applying amaroli. One of the most famous users of urine therapy was Prime Minister of India from 1977 to 1979, Morarji Desai. On the occasion of his ninety-ninth birthday in 1995, Desai attributed his longevity to drinking his morning urine on a daily basis.
Admittedly, there is very little Western science evidence to support the historical claims. After all, how would a researcher fare in submitting a grant proposal for such funding? "We are asking for five million dollars to investigate the health properties of pee cocktails." Or even more difficult, how would one find a test group to drink their own urine? And what would you give the control group? Apple juice?
Despite the paucity of modern scientific substantiation, there is some common-sense evidence that explains why some of these beliefs exist. Let's start with using urine to sterilize and cleanse wounds.
Remember a major component of urine is urea. Urea is commonly recognized as an effective antibacterial, antifungal and antiviral agent. Its mechanism is simple. The presence of urea in the urine is the result of the body's chemical balancing of sodium chloride and water ratio. When used on a wound, urea causes an osmotic imbalance that kills bacteria and fungus. It is so effective it is used in many topical ointments and creams sold pharmaceutically, both prescription and over-the-counter. Urea is found in a broad range of medicines used to treat inflammation. It is a main ingredient in the medicine Herpigon, used to treat herpes infections.
Urine also can smooth and moisturize the skin. Your face cream or wrinkle remover most likely has urea or a derivative in it. Check out the ingredients. Each time you use it you are effectively smearing urine on your face. According to John Armstrong's 1971 book, The Water of Life, expensive and elegant European facial soaps often contain human, cow or pig urine.
Historical anecdotes have said that drinking urine can prevent strokes and help break down blood clots and scabs. This lore was applied when investigators in the nineteenth century found that some component of urine could digest proteins, specifically fibrin, the key in clotting. In 1952, G.W. Sobel isolated the enzyme in urine that the folk lore claimed. He named it urokinase and it is now used in preparations to break up clots in heart disease and stroke. Apparently folk lore was right. Did modern medicine make it better or just more expensive? Certainly it's easier to sell.
HOW DO YOU MAKE A HORMONE?
Urine contains a number of different hormones. Fertility drugs contain estrogens from human urine that stimulate ovulation in women and sperm production in men. Maybe the Zimbabwean tribe that drinks baboon urine in beer as an aphrodisiac has reason to do so. (I'll stick to a scotch and soda.) If you're taking Premarin, it's prepared from mares' urine and other natural sources, including human.
Several references recommend drinking urine for sleeplessness. And it's a well-known fact now that melatonin is a natural hormone that helps regulate sleep. So guess what? Melatonin is present in significant amounts in the urine, especially morning urine. And not only melatonin is present. There is a compound known as muramyl dipeptide. Simply put, it mirrors the action of seratonin, another well-known calming hormone. These may explain why Vedic texts recommend that yogis practice amaroli to enhance the ability to meditate more deeply.
Often there are broad, sweeping claims made by proponents of almost every therapeutic modality. To entertain the possibility that urine therapy can cure everything from canker sores to cancer seems to be one of those claims. There is no therapy, massage therapy to chemotherapy, aromatherapy to heart surgery, that can hope to meet claims of 100 percent success. And honestly, I don't think most proponents of urine therapy intend such claims. But despite the first impression that the Western mind often has of seeing the modern practice of amaroli as antiquated at least and revolting at most, its value need not be dismissed out-of-hand.
There is plenty of information on the internet about urotherapy. Not all of it is placed there by people trying to sell a product. After all, the best source is one's own "cistern" according to the Bible. Whether it's the ingestion of urine or its topical application, there seems to be scientific reason, if not scientific testing, that says it makes sense. The best advice is the advice you can give yourself. Know it exists. Find out more about it. Make your own decisions.
If Magellan had gotten some melatonin into a native chieftain in the South Pacific, he might have made it back to Spain. As it was, Ferdie interfered in a tribal dispute and was slain by a warrior who was ... peeed.
Be well.
I just wanted to try fitting all that into a smaller space with the smaller font.. use the keyboard buttons: ctrl and plus/minus at the same time to change font size (or mouse wheel while ctrl is pressed) to magnify them.
interesting read...
shedding taboos is tough.. but uh.. are you really THAT proud not to try?
interesting discussion must ensue...
-Peevenge
back to the point, i went to sleep one Thursday night, with a face that was blemish free. when i went to take a shower the next morning, the person looking back at me in the mirror was unrecognizable. it looked like someone that had been in a motorcycle accident, and had been introduced to the pavement, face first. i was stunned. the entire right half of my face looked like it had road rash , covering it. not to tough to admit that i bawled like a baby, i was hysterical. my mother had never ,ever , seen me cry , in her entire life. she used to mention it to people , with a tinge of pride in her voice. my family ain't the crying' type. so needless to say , when she answered the phone , and the only thing she could understand ,between sobs, were the words, Oh God.....Oh God....Oh God, she yelled for my pops to "get his ass in the car, pronto!. they met me at the emergency room of the hospital that my niece worked at as an x-ray tech.even with my nieces "clout " as a staffer, it took 12 hours to see a doctor. 3 snake bites , a fatal heart attack, and a suicide all came in as we waited. when the ER doc finally did come in to examine me , she took 1 look at my face , backed up a couple of steps, asked my niece what was wrong with me , then asked what we wanted her to do about it, and basically allowed this 20 yr old child , in her first year of work as a x-ray tech, dictate the type of antibiotic we wanted to try, an anti anxiety Rx for my nerves and a Rx sleep medication to help me get a full 8 hrs of sleep. the doc never addressed me personally, never examined me, hell, she never came within 10 feet of me. that is how scary my face looked. after 4 days on the meds i was becoming increasingly agitated ,as no improvement was being seen. i would just burst into tears and cry for hours at a time. my poor roommate would try to console me and comfort me but it was useless. i have always heard people use the phrase " hitting rock bottom" when describing a low-point in their life. after losing my job of 10 yrs, facing the fact that i now had to depend on someone else for financial support, waiting for my phone to ring so i could at least find comfort in one of the many "good friends" i thought i had, etc etc...ya'll know what i mean? i felt like i was in a movie but someone else was the movie star. this sounds stupid i know, but it was like i was a character actor ,just playing out the role written for me. i didn't get to make any decisions, revise my role, i just had to deal with what i was given. the worst part was that while i was trying to cope with this crap, all the other actors on the set were busy acting out their part and could not spare a minute to watch while i was being written out of my own life story. okay ,i know that sounds crazy ,and i should probably delete it ,but i won't. that is exactly how it felt to me.
yum yum. so after you hit rock bottom, if you look up, and see a pebble ,the size of Stone Mountain ,ready to crash down on your head... thats how desperate i felt at that time. no medicine to rely on , no doc to treat my illness, no hope for the future 
my little x ray tech niece, paid me a visit the following day. she told me that her supervisor had suggested i put urine on the lesion to help it heal. according to her, it is common for derms to recommend this type of therapy to patients who suffer from chronic acne and do not respond to regular acne treatments. i made a few nasty remarks about what she could do with that suggestion and if looks could kill....lets just say that one of us(her) would be playing bingo with Jesus right now. but she insisted i hear her out. she went back over the info and then she asked what i had to lose by giving it a try. so okay, i did. the key is to use your first urine of the day. when you wake up, get a disposable container ,head for the potty, wait till mid stream before collecting a specimen. also stop collecting , a few seconds before you stop urinating. this can be used throughout the day as a topical for open lesions as well as to speed recovery for those not active. store the urine in a room temperature environment and keep covered when not in use. you can use it as often as you like throughout the day. discard unused urine at the end of the day and repeat the procedure as many days as necessary.
anyway the lesion would not heal completely until i used the urine as a topical for a couple of days. can barely even see a scar now. thats it, I'm done. wait... one more thing. i no longer use this method because i am pretty sure i have parasites in my urine. so any who try this should be free of UT infections , kidney stones. frothy or extremely bubbly urine is also an indicator of infection i believe.