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Post by life on Apr 19, 2007 0:51:57 GMT -5
Hi Hannah~~ Well, I haven't come across that great Art site I found, so I'll just write out what I know from my research from severalyears ago. First, there are several manufacturers of Art, but there is only one that is recommended (I learned this from doctors who are using Art against several kinds of cancer with much success), which is by Allergy Research Group: www.allergyresearchgroup.com/proddesc/products/artemisinin.htmOther manufacturers' potency is questionable -- so when I or John, or when Accudoc talked about Art, we were all referring to Allergy Research Group's brand. How I heard of Art? My WONDerful doctor I've mentioned so many times. He gave me a copy of a "Townsend Letter" wherein Dr. Rowen talked of its benefits for Babesia. Here are articles I had stored in my 'favorites' from my research a few years ago. "Townsend Letter" www.townsendletter.com/Dec2002/artemisinin1202.htmArticle concerning cancer successes: www.cancure.org/artemesia.htmHalf-way down this article gives a clear and simple explanation as to how it works: www.springboard4health.com/notebook/nutrients_artemisinin.htmlHere is an article by a M. R. Lee, who is at the U of Edinburgh -- gives the history of Arts' discovery at the end of the last century from writings found in a Chinese tomb over 100 B.C.E., and uses: www.rcpe.ac.uk/publications/articles/journal_32_4/9_plants_malaria.pdfSome Do's and Don't's: Don't take vitamin C for at least 3 hours before or after taking Art - it counteracts Art's effectiveness. Do take Art with an oil: Omega oils, or Cod Liver Oil, cottage cheese, yogurt as it enhances absorption. Do take oxygen supplements as it has been found to enhance Art's effectiveness. Don't take minerals with it -- although I have only just read that recently, and the reason why was not given, but it was stated in the same article that copper may be beneficial. If you are on Chemo of any kind, you need to do your research as Art has been found to enhance some Chemo therapies, while other Chemo therapies doctors recommend NOT taking it. The ideal pattern is 5 days on and 7 days off -- the body needs 7 days to clear the intestines of the enzymes that build up on the walls after taking Art for 5 days. The body needs to 7 days to effectively 'slough' the enzymes off. Its best to take it on an empty stomach -- except for taking cottage cheese or Omegas for greater efficacy. Its best to take it between 10 and 11 PM. That was also in the most recent article (the one I can't seem to relocate). The reason escapes me exactly, but it had something to do with something our body produces naturally in the wee hours of the morning during sleep. I think I've written down everything I know. If I think of any thing else, I'll be sure to add it. Blue Skies John knows quite a bit about Art, so perhaps he will read this part of the thread and add something I may have missed. lots of love and hugs (and reading), life
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Post by life on Apr 19, 2007 23:07:21 GMT -5
Hi Hannah~~
I did think of one more thing about Art. Some have recommended taking it with Grapefruit Seed Extract. It is suppose to 'cut down' on the enzymes that build up on the walls of the intestines when taking Art.
And the other thing is, if you want to take it for longer periods of time than 5 days, you can get around the enzyme in the intestines thing by using Art capsules as a suppository OR by putting it directly on the skin with DMSO as a carrier.
Also, if a person is having radiation therapy, they should wait at least one month after the last treatment before taking Art -- very important to wait for a month.
hugs, life
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Post by CA GA Peach on Apr 20, 2007 17:03:38 GMT -5
I, too, as suggested by my LLMD, started Artemisinin 2 days ago. Of course I started high - 2 (100mg) 2 times a day. Had bouts of nausea so am backing off and going to scale up. Am taking 1(100mg) 2 times a day. I'm OK so far today after first dose.Buy the "pure" Allergy Research Group ART at http://www.OrganicPharmacy.org:
tinyurl.com/2fs3vt
Lots of info on success of ART for cancer, parasites, malaria, etc.
See DrLam.com
tinyurl.com/252gsn
and Townsend Letter, December 2002:
www.townsendletter.com/Dec2002/artemisinin1202.htm
tinyurl.com/yw69c
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Post by belikewater on Apr 21, 2007 0:14:36 GMT -5
Hi, life, I am starting the last period of Cumanda, to complete the first two months of Cumanda alone. Next month I want to start Samento. I have had such good luck with Cumanda, I don't want to give it up. Do you have some thoughts on dosing with both? I know you think Samento at night is best.
Also, is the Green Pharmacy Samento the TCA-free, or is that whole TCA debate a scam? Do you like their stuff? I feel well treated by them. Thanks.
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Post by life on Apr 21, 2007 9:12:30 GMT -5
Hi BeLikeWater~~
I know what you mean about not giving up the Cumanda. I didn't.
I take the Cumanda mornings and afternoons, before dinner or after I get home from work -- 25 drops each.
I take the Samento before I go to bed -- I'm at 25 drops now (finally as I herxed with it so had to build slowly) at bedtime.
Green Pharmacy sells Neutromedics which is TAO-free.
Blue Skies John had asked earlier on in this thread if any of us would be willing to try Samento from Rain Tree, which is not TAO free -- but, he feels/thinks it may work better.
I like Green Pharmacy as well as a company.
The reason I do the Samento at night is, since it kills over 200 different pathogens, I thought taking it before bedtime it may aide the body best during sleep as that is when the body does most of its repairing and healing.
Personally, I'd like to eventually get up to 50 drops+ of Samento, pulsing it just at night.
Off to work -- I'm teaching "Saturday School" -- need the $$. Don't we all?
Hugs, life
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Post by belikewater on Apr 21, 2007 13:23:20 GMT -5
Well, I know the TOA-free (Thanks) study was done by the company that invented the process to remove it. I read the study was suspect. I think the reason John likes Rain Tree is the Samento is cheaper because it still has TOA in it. Also, they do have a reputation of quality.
I do like Green Pharmacy, they ship fast and seem like good folks. I will read up more, too. Thanks.
I barely Herx on stuff, so maybe I will on the Samento. However, even with no Herx, the Cumanda has been wonderful. I am thinking maybe it hits a different Bb phase or even a companion organism. Did the Burbur help with your Herx?
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Post by life on Apr 22, 2007 10:52:45 GMT -5
Hi BeLIkeWater~~
I herx mostly on the Samento - and I can't tell if the Burbur helps it or not. In the past, before Burbur, my Herxes would be so bad that I would not be able to walk, or not be able to turn my head at all.
So, I don't know if its the Burbur, or if its just that the Samento has killed things in the past and I'm not as bad as I used to be.
As far as the Samento and Cumanda 'getting' at this thing in its different forms -- that's what I've been thinking.
I've also been wondering if the two work together kind of like ping-pong. The first herb is killing them which sends them running into another form, which the other herb then kills. They sense their demise (quorum sensing style), return to the original form they were in, where the original herb attacks them.
What I'm wondering is why healing was so incredibly immediate -- within 3 hours of first taking Cumanda -- and has slowed in its pace, especially after the first 3-4 weeks.
What do you think that could be? With the agrobacterium theory in mind, could that allow them to 'take on' DNA from the herbs, making it more difficult for the herbs to 'find them'?
And if that is so, then perhaps there is something else we need to add to 'the mix' to keep them switching forms, leaving them momentarily vulnerable to attack.
Just some thoughts.
Thinking along these lines, I've added a couple of minerals into the mix. Minerals don't have DNA - so perhaps that is a way to avoid the possibility of agro-DNA swapping. I'm taking and waiting to see.
I'm also back to taking Art. I'm going to take Pyro on my 36 hours off.
First 5 days after each 36 hour rest: Artemisinin at bedtime -- no Samento Stay on the Burbur (I take it as a sub-lingual now) and Cumanda@ 25 drops before morning and evening meal. Stay on Cream of Tartar -- I'm up to 1 tsp. per day-- Art works best in an alkaline environment. Off the Copper and Water of Life mineral supplements -- don't know if minerals are okay with Art.
Balance of time to the next 36 hour rest period: Stop the Art -- back on Samento. I left off last week @ 25 drops at bedtime, so I will start there and continue to try to ramp it up to whatever Herx symptoms I can handle. Stay on Burbur and Cumanda Stay on Cream of Tartar. Back on Copper, Water of Life, and adding Moly-B.
I'm going to stay with this for a while. In a couple of weeks, I will be able to afford what Dr. Overman recommended I take, so I'll be adding that to the mix. He told me he has found two formulas that dissolve two types of the fibers.
Although, I have to say, the fibers are the least of my worries. Its my internal organs I'm worried about. Last week, my heart pains were so incredibly bad, I knew that if I didn't figure out something quickly, I was headed toward a heart attack -- which is how I ended up with taking the copper.
Oddly enough, with in days of taking the copper and the Cream of Tartar, my heart pains are gone for the most part. Cream of Tartar is Potassium -- which I need according to tests.
I'm rambling a bit (I think).
I still need to post how things went last week. Probably tomorrow.
hugs to you my dear, life
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Post by belikewater on Apr 22, 2007 21:21:49 GMT -5
life, Though I know the agrobacterium/DNA transfer thing is an issue, I do not at this point think it has anything much to do with Morgellons. I think it is an expression of one version of cutaneous Lyme. Believe me, the Bb bacteria is plenty complex enough in itself. Then there are the several other organisms that ticks carry and inject, too.
I think Lyme exists in at least 3 phases, all at the same time, in the body. I think, because it targets fungus, Cumanda may hit the cell wall deficient, fungal-like phase of Bb. The samento may hit the spirochete, bacterial phase. The dormant cysts break open to spew out these spirochete when conditions are good. I think taking minerals that Bb likes, encourages the cysts to open up.
All thoughts and speculation, of course. But I am very simple minded. It is the only way I can handle this. Thanks.
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Post by belikewater on Apr 23, 2007 15:06:28 GMT -5
I thought I'd mention another thing that has changed in the last 5 months or so. I went to my storage room as I am sorting stuff before a move. I got hit in the face with very slight itchies, but very light. Trying to get organized, I realize I can get stuff I need cheapest at the Dollar tree store. I got hit badly with itchies about 5 months ago in there and swore I wouldn't go back.
Well, I got bold and decided to try it. Lo and behold, I was only hit a tad in the face, not total body itches like before. So light, a wipe with a moist towlett took care of it. The only real change has been the Cumanda and continuing to clean out my skin.
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Post by life on Apr 23, 2007 23:23:10 GMT -5
Hi BeLikeWater~~
That's so interesting about the "hits."
Me too, I'm getting less hits as well. I went shopping over the winter holidays -- pre Cumanda -- (because of my move to a bigger place) and when shopping in $$ stores, or K-mart, of Bed, Bath and Beyond, I not only got hits, I ended up with several very nasty lesions on my legs.
I get hits in school too, especially when I go through my files of papers - we teachers have tons of stuff.
Well, last week, I decided to slowly 'purge' and give away things I haven't used. I had one hit in the form of a paper cut on my left wrist. And instead of turning into a full-blown lesion (like those usually do) it cleared up in less than a week.
I don't get any on my head anymore at work every week either. Nice.
Any new ones that I get come from within me now only. I hope that continues.
I have less and less 'hairs' coming out, and I do not shed nearly as many black specks as I used to. Also, for well over a month now, there are no white lint things floating around in my car when I drive to work.
I took Pyro last week end. It helped. Some old ones opened up, but they need to come out anyway.
Last week, when I added the Art, my meta cognition got much better.
I've added 1/4 tsp. of Turmeric to my morning smoothies, so that might be why as well as studies have shown that people with daily consumption of the spice have the world's lowest rate of Alz in the world.
WHO also recommends taking Turmeric with Art to combat Malaria.
The Cumanda is a blessing in deed. What's nice about it is that it is safe to take with other things. I like that.
Here's to less and less 'hits' in our lives! life
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Post by life on Apr 23, 2007 23:30:32 GMT -5
Hi CA GA Peach~~
Keep us up-dated on the Art. I'm back to taking it too. If its what you need, you'll know right away as it is fast and efficient at what it does best: killing asexual parasites, cancer, Malaria, Babesia, and some forms of LD from what I understand.
hugs to you, life
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Post by belikewater on Apr 24, 2007 2:26:06 GMT -5
life, peachie, Did either of you try the Quina?
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Post by life on Apr 24, 2007 8:39:23 GMT -5
Hi BeLikeWater~~ I take the Quina at bedtime during the 5 day period that I take the Artemisinin life
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Post by CA GA Peach on Apr 25, 2007 22:43:03 GMT -5
I am so ticked at myself! I typed about 40 minutes last night and then promptly shut down my pc without posting the reply!
Short incomplete version:
This is middle of my 11th week on Cumanda/Samento/Burbur (CSB). After 2 months of all 3, am now alternating Cumanda and Samento for the first time as Dr. Cowden suggests. I think cumanda is still fading spots and drying up biofilm. Am also continuing with salt/c, no Rx's.
There are complications in evaluating the CSB protocol due to starting Artemisinin on 4/18/07, one week ago. I may be seeing something improving that I've NEVER seen before with any treatment. I will report in another week or so. May also have photos or video at that time, too. I want to be sure.
IGeneX test was positive for Lyme and negative for any of the other co-infections back in February 2006. No babesia, however, LLMD suggested the ART. I, naturally, started full dose at 2 (100mg) capsules 2 x day. Nausea and fatigue and headache were so bad I eventually backed down to 1 capsule a day. Will scale up more slowly just like I was advised.
Monday, yesterday and today I am no longer sick!!!! If I didn't know any better, I'd say I am cured! No fatigue! NONE!! I'm back to my normally high energy, active self and feeling great!!! My husband is in shock and wants me to slow down, afraid I'll get sick from doing too much. So active that my muscles are actually sore. I have barely even sat down during the day for the last 3 days!
I think it's the ART.
The way I feel right now, I could go back to work tomorrow. Wish I knew how to explain just how completely normal I feel. Brain fog is a little better too, but that's not normal, yet. I haven't lost my balance in 3 days, am a little constipated, and I believe "something" is going on with the black tubes/hairs. That's what I'll report on later after I'm more sure of what I think is happening.
I won't go on and on. I wish everyone could feel this way. Whoooo Hooooo! Yipppeeee! Thank you, dear Lord!
Nite, Cheryl
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Post by life on Apr 27, 2007 21:27:11 GMT -5
Hi Peach~~
Wow!!!!!!!!!!! Sounds like you're onto something good. Whoooooooooeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
Keep us posted -- I love your excitement -- its infectious.
hugs, life
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Post by life on Apr 27, 2007 21:47:01 GMT -5
Friday 04.27.04 -- and I'm 55 today! I have not changed what I've been doing since I started rotating Art into the regimine and dropping the Samento when I take it. I have added something though, that my doctor recommended (actually a couple of years ago, but its taken me awhile to really read up on it). Its called Germanium. I'm taking ionic Germanium from WaterOz. It does some interesting things. Germanium is a metal -- sort of -- in that is not really a metal, so it is considered a non-metal. A bit confusing, but is considered an essential to fighting cancer and many if not all types of diseases. So far, what I've read about it, it could be a good find. www.regenerativenutrition.com/content.asp?id=441I'm also still taking Cream of Tartar to kill any Candida hiding in my body. I'm only up to 1 tsp. a day, with a goal of 2 tsp. a day eventually. It does help. Art works best in an alkaline enviroment, and the Tartar kills Candida on contact. This is a good thing. life
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Post by belikewater on May 3, 2007 10:13:26 GMT -5
My left-sided neck pain and stiffness has reduced a lot. I am getting a lotof expulsion of particles from many places on my body.
I was hesitant to say anything about my menstrual period as I am in menopause and it's all wacky. However, in Dec. my period had ceased. Since I started Cumanda at the end of Feb., my period has returned. Pretty much on schedule and normal length and flow. No cramps or any problems. So Cumanda has hormonal influences. I am a bit bummed about this, I thought i was done with this monthly hassle, finally.
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Post by maf on May 3, 2007 13:04:46 GMT -5
hi all,
it has been awhile since i have posted... sorry about that, but have been dealing with the world's largest morg lesion... not kidding either... i'm talking guiness record sized...
but, on the up side, i have been taking cumanda for about five weeks and added quina about two weeks ago... i take the quina around 4pm and the cumanda around 11pm... i am at 20 drops of each...
i cannot stress enough how this has at least made me feel like a human being again... my excretory system seems and feels well regulated... no fevers, chills, night sweats, swollen glands, new lesions, bladder urgency, nothing... very little brain fog and much more clarity and energy... very regular bowl movements each morning...
i am also using burber 10 drops 1x-3x per day as needed... i always use it in the morning for sure because it provides clarity within 30 minutes or so... then, sometimes i use it one or two more times per day and sometimes i don't... just depends on how i feel...
i am also taking a daily vitamin/mineral tablet and i take 1000mg of vit c with 325mg of iron twice daily... also i take one prilosec otc each day around noon time before/with a meal... the prilosec imo helps keep my system far less acidic...
so not to make lite of or discredit any other protocol, but with what i am doing right now, i pay no attention to moon cycles or spray days... surely i know these affect us, but my current protocol overrides this 90-95%...
now back to the lesion... it is leaching my red blood cells and my iron... i just had a blood transfusion two days ago... i needed four units as my hemaglobin was a 4.9... should be 14-18 for an adult male... i nearly died i think... and yet i am still only at a 9.1 after the transfusion... but when this happens, your heart nearly beats out of your chest and you are fatigued and tired constantly with bouts of dizziness and chest and arm pain... severe anemia is nothing to play with... so for any of you who are experiencing signs of anemia, please get your hemaglobin checked... having the right amount of blood is a major spirit-lifter in itself, and of course necessary if you do not want to die...
i plan to stop the quina in about 6 weeks and then start a samento/cumanda rotation... but i want to say that the quina is helping to heal my lesion and i also no longer have the stringy things in my eyes, nose or throat... i am a smoker, yet my ears, eyes, nose, throat, lungs are clear...
maf
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Post by belikewater on May 3, 2007 15:33:28 GMT -5
I am only using the Cumanda with siometimes Burbur if I get a HA. The Cumanda alone really helped my eyes, skin, urinary system.
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Post by life on May 4, 2007 1:16:31 GMT -5
Hi Maf~~
What you are saying about the hemoglobin count and symptoms of it being low peaked my interest. I've added ionic copper, and from what I've been reading about it, one of the things it is needed for is the utilization of iron. That must be why I am feeling a bit better from taking it.
I'm still on the Cumanda -- although I've been lax the past week -- stress about loosing my job mostly. Anyway, yesterday, the burning sensation under my skin came back and I had night sweats last night as well.
So, better order some more Cumanda as I am almost out and stay with it. I slacked off because now that I have taken it for over 3 months, I haven't noticed much in the way of improvement anymore. I was wondering if it was perhaps working more so internally -- as it moved around on my body, healing different areas at different times. So, I guess I got my answer, which is that it has moved into working on internal 'things' and that is why I do not see as much rapid healing on the outside.
I need to learn to be patient.
I'm glad you posted, Maf. Your post lifted my spirits immensely.
hugs, life
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