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Post by toni on Mar 21, 2007 13:00:52 GMT -5
I think an avenue we need to go is to write the FDA.
I know we're not all "meat eaters" so what is it that WE all are eating that's the same?
From east to west...what can that be?
Please help with ideas...and then we'll "blame" that (sort of) as a quesitonable contaminant...something for FDA to get involved with.
But there has got to be something YOU and ME no matter where or what state we live in, we're buying or using or eating something the same.
If this is from our cattle, some are vegetarians, so that doesn't hold water.
Could it be our milk...if so, and WE ALL have had even a tad of milk to drink, in cereal...whatever...lets go for it, (the FDA) okay and make many many complaints about that then.
Has everyone had ANY milk at all, even a teaspoon prior to Morgellons?
We're not really going to blame the milk, just say we "FEEL" the milk MIGHT be contaminated.
What do you all think?
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Post by cozmikanjel on Mar 21, 2007 14:41:40 GMT -5
thats a good idea! cuz if we had all eaten at Taco Bell, they'd be on it like stink on poop.
im not a big milk drinker...maybe 2-3 times month in cereal, but still...
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Post by thndrdancr on Mar 21, 2007 15:23:36 GMT -5
I am beginning to wonder about this as well. Ponder, Mull and more. I dont think its milk cuz my hubby had it as bad as anyone, and he just doesnt drink any milk at all. He has had perhaps 4 glasses in two years time, OUR milk anyhow. He comes from South America and just hates the taste of our milk here after having the natural stuff. Ok, on that note, we are doing lots better this last month. Have been eating a grapefruit a day and it helps tremendously but that just wasnt kicking its butt totally I dont think. Then...hubby came home and brought me some natural unprocessed cane sugar. So we have been using that for the last month. Have been a LOT better. So, I began wondering "is it our processed, refined, bleached sugar?". Not sure. Also had a LOT of cabbage this last two weeks (St Patty's day, y'know?). So perhaps it was the cabbage kicking their butts. I really dont know. I DO know...something I have been eating lately or doing differently is really upsetting them, right now I only have surface ones (driving me mad) and I even have a few scratches like in the beginning, like they are afraid to burrow deeper. Those are the only things I really have done differently. I did the low carb thing, experimented big time, didnt make a whit of dif one way or other, except mine go into ecstatic fits when I am fixing hamburger. Sure puts me off of THAT. Anyhow, for me, no dif in diet or coffee, til I added the grapefruit. Please guys, if it doesnt react with your meds, try to add this to your diet, that and pineapple. It makes a world of dif. I could even feel the critters biting and go eat my lovely lil grapefruit, and it would stop within a couple hours, or whenever that bitterness or whatever it is hit my system. Now they very seldom bite, but still got the crawlies so they are not gone. They sure dont like me as much tho. THAT is enuff to make me happy. Jill
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Post by lydski on Mar 21, 2007 23:16:38 GMT -5
That is a very good idea...
Only thing (my thinking only) is I drink less milk that any of the other family. Why would I be the only one to get this if we all eat and drink the same products.
What about soil? Couldn't it be possible that all of us morgies came in contact with contaminated soil? For some reason I keep thinking this is where I got this. Ya ever had a gut feelin'? Also I've been exposed to soil way more than the rest of the family. Of course.. I'm probably way off....
The only other thing that's been in the back of my mind about why me out of my family is I had a medical procedure done, GET THIS..by a DERMATOLIGIST right before I started having all the symptoms. Infact I went back to him to see if maybe I was allergic to the shots he gave me or something else he used during the procedure. (I had a blood vessel carderized (sp) right at the tip of my nose) When he gave me the shots to numb me it was soo overwhelming. It went in my ears and eyes too and gagged me. This all started in my eyes too. AND again, I'm probably wayyy off here! Oh well, I guess I just needed to get that stuff off my chest.
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Post by life on Mar 22, 2007 1:05:53 GMT -5
Another question -- I've had for quite a while -- is what is the connection to nurses and teachers being the highest percetile occupations that have this?
What is the connection there?
I know I got this at work -- being bitten by those little black bugs.
Maybe its something we all eat -- or? could it be something we all DON'T eat?
A mineral difficiency? vitamin deficiency?
Good questions Tonie, life
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Post by toni on Mar 22, 2007 9:27:25 GMT -5
I know, nothing adds up.
The one thing "that I see" that does "sorta" make sense, is this, which is weird too.
I use milk only for cereal, which is rare. Mr. Toni drinks it by the gallons.
He shows no outward symptoms of this Morgellons, yet his side of the bed had the "sand" in the very beginning...and we couldn't figure out how the heck "what looked like sand" always was on his side of the bed.
Well...then I am the one who got/gets all the lesions and crawling sensations, him no.
Now...I don't have any internal problems 'yet'. I'm fine, except my skin.
He, oh...now he's on prostate meds, insulin 2 shots a day for a month now, and high blood pressure meds.
I am only wondering "milk" because he consumes so much of it, and it makes me wonder if that's why he's falling apart "internally" lately.
Me, the "extremely" hardly ever milk drinker....I just have this cutaneously.
That's why I'm hung up on the milk.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thunderdancer....when you say your hubby has this as bad as anyone and he "rarely drinks milk", what are his symptoms...does he have lots of crawling and skin lesions? _____________________________________________________ And Lydski, I sure understand why that's a concern, same here too. The only thing "which is only my thought" is you're in Kentucky and I'm in NV and our soil isn't totally the same, I mean it is...but not completely. Of course anything is a possiblity, I just want to see if the "milk" is a bigger possiblity. And I can completely relate to your having a procedure on your eye. I had surgeries prior to this too, and my eyes were all scratchy and I thought that was only the upper bleph causing that irritation and blurry vision for awhile. I thought maybe I'd picked something up while in the surgical center.
Oh my, I just thought of something - TOTALLY forgot about this! I'll post it on my "acanthomoeba thread" about the balamuthis and MRSA! I DID get strep throat (they said it was) after a procedure back in 2001. I had polyp's removed off my right vocal cord, and 2 days later, I couldn't swallow due to strep...or whatever that really was. ____________________________________________________
Life, I know what you mean, which does bring lots of questions. But (maybe) the high incidences are that they've drank milk even in coffee or cereal or been in the hospital - I don't know...but if we can somehow tie "milk" then it can be checked out, if there's a connection that's consistent.
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Post by lydski on Mar 22, 2007 9:51:00 GMT -5
Tonie- I had strep too. If fact I had to take two rounds of antibiotics.
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Post by toni on Mar 22, 2007 9:59:19 GMT -5
Oh my goodness! I'm glad you said that, thank you.
Anyone else get strep?
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Post by toni on Mar 22, 2007 10:11:00 GMT -5
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Post by ivanhole on Mar 22, 2007 15:19:10 GMT -5
i drink at least a quart of milk/day. besides water and vodka it is my favorite beverage. my milk drinking habits have been the same pre and post morgellans. if milk has any relation to this condition, perhaps it there are different hormones or additives used more recently than in the past??
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Post by cozmikanjel on Mar 22, 2007 16:07:54 GMT -5
Another question -- I've had for quite a while -- is what is the connection to nurses and teachers being the highest percetile occupations that have this? What is the connection there? Could it be that so many children that have ADHD and ADD, have ALWAYS had Morgellons? My children now have ADHD. Simultaneaously.... 4 months after onset of Morgellons symptoms. anj
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Post by browncircles on Mar 22, 2007 18:44:27 GMT -5
and autism too
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Post by cozmikanjel on Mar 22, 2007 18:49:10 GMT -5
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Post by cozmikanjel on Mar 22, 2007 18:51:32 GMT -5
I KNOW my children are spreading these spores/entities around at their school! and so are other children.
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Post by See Jane Crawl on Mar 22, 2007 20:03:14 GMT -5
I think that we either were bitten by something, the one thing that sticks in my mind is the one night the invisible swarm buzzed through my house & outdoor patio & carport. I remember distinctly (I can say I remember distinctly because it happened 13 years ago & my long term memory is very good.) something hatched and swarmed past me outside & that night after I took my shower I was drying off & all of these white flaky things were almost flying out of my skin. The next morning I was outside on the porch and noticed a bunch of saw-like marks on the flower trellis's and they were all sealed with this clear sticky glue like substance. I looked at the rest of the outside and every piece of wood on that house had them. It was like someone took a chain saw & just accidentally brushed the wood with the blade, but they were all sealed with that glue stuff. It seemed to me that this "swarm" of invisible things had just hatched and I was in the wrong place at the wrong time! I also believe that it only seemed to affect people with compromised immune systems. The reason I say this is the house we were in was a duplex & a single Mom & her 4 year old son lived there and were not infested. That is my humble opinion & theory on this BS.............................................
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Post by skytroll on Mar 22, 2007 20:05:24 GMT -5
Sugar from sugar beets, not sugar cane? the sugar beet was altered. This was 1998 www.pmac.net/sugarbt.htmthis is 2004 GM Sugar Beet Gone Sour A new GM sugar beet event has been deregulated in the United States. But it is yet another story of poor assessment by the regulators that seriously threaten organic crops. Prof. Joe Cummins reports References for this article are posted on ISIS members’ website. Details here In October 2004, Monsanto Company (St. Louis, Missouri) and KWS SAAT AG (Einbeck, Germany) petitioned the Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service (APHIS), United States Department of Agriculture (USDA) for non-regulated status for their genetically modified (GM) sugar beet H7-1 made tolerant to the herbicide glyphosate [1]. Six years earlier, Novartis and Monsanto had already obtained non-regulated status for a sugar beet plant tolerant to glyphosate. The difference between H7-1 and the earlier Novartis-Monsanto strain is in a simplification of the genetic construction. The earlier construction GTSB77 carried the gene coding for CP4 EPSPS, the uidA gene and a modified gox gene. The CP4 epsps and gox genes confer tolerance to the herbicide glyphosate and are derived from bacteria. The CP4 EPSPS is an enzyme not sensitive to applications of glyphosate, while the gox gene encodes the glyphosate oxidoreductase enzyme that degrades the herbicide. However, the gox gene was truncated during transformation and the 69% of the gene remaining is fused to sugar beet DNA, resulting in a chimeric gene. Although mRNA transcripts from this chimeric gox sequence are present in the sugar beet, no novel protein is translated (the gene does not make a protein) and the sugar beet does not have GOX enzyme activity .The uidA gene encodes beta-glucuronidase (GUS), which serves as a selectable marker [2, 3]. The sugar beet containing this bizarre patchwork of genes and inactive gene fragment was approved for commercial use in the United States (1998) and in Australia (2002) and has been widely grown. Sugar beet H7-1 contains the CP4 epsps gene from the soil bacterium Agrobacterium, the modified figwort mosaic virus, chloroplast transit protein from Arabidopsis and the same terminator signal from pea employed in GTSB77. The difference between the two strains is that H7-1 does not have the inactive gox gene marker that was added to the earlier release [1]. The CP4 epsps gene has been used in a number of different glyphosate tolerant (Roundup Ready) crops such as maize, cotton soybean. Even though it is overtly stated in only a few petitions, the CP4 epsps gene used in GM crops is a synthetic approximation of the original bacterial gene, obtained by altering codons to the usage preferred in plants [4]. The synthetic genes bearing unique DNA sequences have not been tested for recombination or toxicity even though they are entirely new to evolution. The petition for non-regulated status triggered an environmental assessment by USDA/APHIS. That review dealt with the spread of pollen from the transgenic crops to weedy relatives of the sugar beet and to neighbouring beet crops, and the danger of creating fertile weeds. As transgenic pollen may spread by at least as much as a kilometre from the production site (see following discussion), the matter is of concern to organic producers who may be penalized if their crop is contaminated by GM pollen. Even conventional producers have concerns about oppressive lawsuits from the patentee if their crop has been contaminated with transgenes. But USDA/APHIS provided cold comfort for the organic producers and barely mentioned conventional producers. ..........more here......... www.i-sis.org.uk/GMSBGS.phpThis is 2006 www.idahopress.com/articles/2006/01/13/news/news3.txtSkytroll
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Post by thndrdancr on Mar 22, 2007 22:02:42 GMT -5
Toni, My hubby's symptoms are a weird skin rash, mainly on his belly that I would say looks a bit like CLM, but I have never seen larval migrans before, so cant be sure. It's raised up a bit and very irritating to him, and if we rub it with oil, bits and pieces of crap come out all over (never looked at it under a microscope, not sure I want to), so there is a lot going on under the skin. Its OBVIOUS in his skin, don't know how a doctor can think its towel lint or whatever. Sheesh. He has a bit of it all over his body, but it seems worse on places where he lays when he goes to sleep, me too. He also has that weird popping/stiffness in his neck and joint/hip and back pain. change in vision...ear pain, fatigue. Thats all I can think of right now, but a lot of Lyme symptoms they list. Oh and the male prob, but that goes along with lack of libido, so who cares? Joking, have to joke, or we cry. He would kill me if he knew I mentioned that, but he was so very virile before all this. I am the one that gave it to him, as in the beginning, if he would touch me in his sleep, his skin would be covered with bites wherever he touched. This stuff is hell on a marriage, not being able to touch each other, and we were only married six months when this all began. So sorry, didnt mean to get off topic. But he just doesnt drink our milk, I know it sounds like a plausible thing to think thats the cause. I know I have wracked my brain. I would never ever have thought of sugar except right now we are eating stuff that I KNOW is not GM or GE. Might be chock full of pesticides tho. lol Has anyone here gone to all organic cane sugar? Just out of curiosity? I think I will continue it, thats the only thing I can think is dif with what our whole fam is consistently eating lately. I remember hearing Ed Dames on C to C one night saying he had gone to that, as he remote viewed health, and he found the white refined sugar was really hard on the body. Maybe when they tell us sugar is poison, someone knows something we dont know, cuz normally...I wouldnt believe it! I had GOBS of sugar as a kid, before they started messin with stuff and I was healthy as a horse. Thanks skytroll, for that report. Boy, the more you look, the more it seems we just cant get away from GE and GM crops. Jill
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Post by belikewater on Mar 23, 2007 16:55:21 GMT -5
If the basis of our problems is the Lyme bacteria, I think it is quite possible to get it from milk, blood transfusion and it is passed to the baby in fetus and breast milk if mother is infected.
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Post by belikewater on Mar 23, 2007 23:43:08 GMT -5
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Post by questionhair on Mar 24, 2007 9:32:41 GMT -5
Since I've changed my eating habits, and have gradually switched over to organic and whole foods - I'd estimate about 95% of my diet is whole or organic by now . . . there has been a tremendous improvement in my health. I recently saw some people who hadn't seen me in months and they remarked that my skin is glowing with health. I have felt barely a slight twitch or itch on my scalp all week. I've avoided eating out and instead make something clean and healthy at home. I've got energy and motivation. I'm still using soothing products and definitely rotating supplements and regiments (all mentioned before) - but my emphasis here is to not put any crap in your body. What do we all have in common? Genetically Modified Foods and Aspartame (Artificial Sweeteners added to food products) and MSG (taste enhancer added to food products) have been increasing dramatically in food. I watched Dr. Blaylock's dvd and listened to his cd on Aspartame and MSG in the food supply - and why corporate America wants it in the food supply and how the governmental agencies in charge of protecting the public has not - and how the same people who worked for the corporations putting this stuff in our food also go work for the regulatory agencies - and then back to the corporations. One example a person does the studies, submit the studies, changes jobs, approves their own studies, and then goes back to a corporate job. Some of these people get jobs as the heads of very important regulatory agencies. Here's where to learn what you eat matters: www.seedsofdeception.com/Public/Home/index.cfmwww.responsibletechnology.org/GMFree/Home/index.cfmwww.i-sis.org.uk/sitemap.phpwww.gmwatch.org/p1temp.asp?pid=1&page=1www.familyfarmdefenders.org/pmwiki.php/Main/HomePagewww.sweetremedy.tv/www.truthinlabeling.org/facts.htmlQH
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