Whatever these "fibers" are...where they literally grow like ROOTS of a plant...I don't understand how they tie into any kind of a parasite...not that a parasite can't bring in the germs, but...I don't feel they're a "part" of the parasites being or any part of it's growth cycle.
I know 3 people, that have told me that they're loaded with "fibers", the fibrous strands are growing throughout their body and they say it's actually causing incredible weight gaining, and a body laying under the skin.
One of my friends, her brother (age 43) his leg was completely full of this fibrous growth throughout, and had to have his leg amputated.
I don't understand how you don't see how fibers are not tied into parasites Toni.
The teguments of cercaria and adults are fibrous. The eggs are laid in fiber sacks. Collagen and fibrin is fibrous. Muscles and connective tissue is fibrous. What don't you get? And I ain't being a smart ass 'cause you know I ain't the one to be messin' with you !
Google a picture of a cancer cell...tumor cells...the cell grows roots and spreads...
and the midge can cause schistosoma mansonella, so morgellons is close isn't it? I am sure midges were around in the 1600's.
Schistosoma mansonella, in the water,the snails, and on land the galls, so is active in water and in plants.
Galls are in trees. in many plants.
" Agrobacterium tumefaciens is a bacterium that lives in the soil and infects plants through wounds. Common methods of entry are through wounds made by cultivation, pruning or insect feeding or through natural causes, such as wind and hail. Once the bacterium enters the plant it inserts a portion of its DNA (called T-DNA) from the tumor-inducing portion of the bacteria's chromosome, into the chromosome of a healthy plant cell. The expression of the T-DNA causes the overproduction of plant hormones that lead to undifferentiated cell growth in that region of the plant; thus forming a gall. Small galls usually develop within 2 to 4 weeks after infection when temperatures are 20 degrees C or above. The expanding tissues can sometimes disrupt the flow of nutrients and water. Bacteria are released from the gall into the soil as the gall decays. The bacteria are spread to new plants and areas through splashing rain, irrigation water, insects, tools and plant parts used for propagation. The bacteria can survive up to two years in the soil with out a plant host "......
Kalanchoë infected with crown-gall using Agrobacterium tumefaciens. A detail photo of a crown-gall on a Kalanchoë infected with Agrobacterium tumefaciens.Galls or plant galls are proliferations and modifications of plant cells and can be caused by various parasites, from fungi and bacteria, to insects and mites. Galls are often very organised structures and because of this, the cause of the gall can often be determined without the actual agent being identified. This applies particularly to some insect and mite galls.
Causes of plant galls
Insects Insect galls develop under the influence of gall-inducing insects. Insect galls are usually induced by the chemicals injected by the larvae or the adults in the plants, either including mechanical damage or not. After the galls are formed, the larvae develop inside until fully grown, at which time they leave, sometimes as adults. In order to form galls, the insects must seize the time when plant cell division occurs at a high speed, the growing season, usually spring in temperate climates, but which can be extended in tropical latitudes. Also, the specific places where plant cell division occurs are needed to induce galls, that is, the meristems. Although insect galls can be found on a variety of parts of the plant, such as the leaves, stalks, branches, buds, roots or even flowers and fruits, gall-inducing insects are usually species-specific and sometimes tissue-specific on the plants they gall. Exceptions to this rule induce galls on plants similar to each other, frequently within genera or family.
Gall-inducing insects include gall wasps, gall midges, aphids, and psyllids.
Fungi Gall-inducing fungi include peach leaf curl
Bacteria and viruses Crown Gall is an example of a Gall causing bacteria
Other Plants Mistletoe can form galls on its hosts
Uses Galls are rich in resins and tannic acid and have been used in the manufacture of permanent inks (such as iron gall ink) and astringent ointments, in dyeing, and in tanning. A high-quality ink has long been made from the Aleppo gall, found on oaks in the Middle East; it is one of a number of galls resembling nuts and called "gallnuts" or "nutgalls'.
Jumping plant louse: Coevolution Insect-plant interactions have been important in defining models of coevolution and cospeciation, referring to whether plant speciation drives insect speciation and vice versa, though most herbivorous insects probably evolved long after the plants they feed on. Plant pathogens, such as citrus greening, caused by a bacterium Candidatus Liberibacter asiaticum is an example of a plant pathogen that has coevolved with its insect vector, the Asian Citrus Psyllid, AsCP, Diaphorina citri, such that the pathogen causes little to no harm on the insect, but causes a major disease which can reduce citrus quality, flavor, and production as well as causing citrus trees to die. The AsCP was found in Florida in 1998, and has since spread across the southern U.S. into Texas. The disease, citrus greening, also known as Huanglongbing, was found in Florida citrus groves in 2005. Managment methods to reduce the spread of this disease and psyllid populations depend on an Integrated Pest Managment approach using insecticides, parasitoids, predators, and pathogens specific to the AsCP.
The most striking form of phage infection is that in which all of the infected bacteria are destroyed in the process of the formation of new phage particles. This results in the clearing of a turbid liquid culture as the infected cells lyse. When lysis occurs in cells fixed as a lawn of bacteria growing on a solid medium, it produces holes, or areas of clearing, called plaques. These represent colonies of bacteriophage. The size and other properties of the plaque vary with individual viruses and host cells. See also Actinophage; Coliphage; Lysogeny; Lytic infection; Virus.
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The doctors only identified it as "fibrous growths"...for the poor young man who lost his leg to THIS nightmare. His sister, my friend is loaded throughout her body with these "fibers, as they (the doctors who amputated) called them".
I don't know anything more about this, heck they don't even know...and I think if they/docs did, they're not saying.
But this all is a crime! We sure don't want to be next...not that we are, I don't mean to say that, but it could be a reality-as it is for them, and as bad as this garbage is that we have, I do believe it can get alot worse.
And Carrie, hahahah you're cracking me up, I know you're not messing with me. It's okay for all of us to have different thoughts on this. Because I very much understand that you, me, all of us we have no way to confirm this, except for what we see ourselves under our own scopes.
Heck this is sort of like "religion"...in that "we all believe differently UNTIL we get dead solid facts. So for us to all be coming from different directions on what this is...is VERY natural...cause you and me aren't seeing "physically" the same things.
If I'd see a fluke...well..I'd be certain then...but from all I've picked out, everything but my bones (just kidding) but I've "personally"...just not seen a fluke...yet. I see the fibers..and thank you, cause I didn't realize that a these cells from flukes could cause such maco fibers and enough to choke our veins off...they can do that??? I really don't know.
But everything I see has nothing in it's shape I can even relate it to...like the triangle shaped white things, with a hair bristle sticking out. See...those things, I don't know what they are. I've not seen anything that resembles them.
Reasonable...I understand what you mean about the parasitic plants of humans. I've just not "yet" found any info on them..other than "some doctors have announced that what they've examined from a few people infected and said it was "plant material".
Do you know the name of any "human parasitic plants"?
I "in my gut" feel too that this has a basis of horizontal gene transfer, and that our parasites are attracted because of that contamination or that our parasites of all kinds are happening because of whatever we're exposed to. ?
But who knows...that's not written any where either. This is a new "breed" of infection it appears. And I'm only going on that Agrobacterium and S. Maltophilia were found, and the fact that GMO is global...and so is Morgellons.
And yes, the S. Mansonella last year I thought there were alot of similarities too...and Leishmaniasis. Heck this is so difficult without a molecular scientist or DNA specialist who knows his stuff - because once we get DNA dissected or broken down, maybe that will tell what's what...I don't know.
Oh, Carrie I don't know as much as I should about what you said..quote:
(The teguments of cercaria and adults are fibrous. The eggs are laid in fiber sacks. Collagen and fibrin is fibrous. Muscles and connective tissue is fibrous. )
Here's my question to that...would that literally "fill up" ones leg so much to cause a necessary amputation? See for me, I have no clue..do you know?
Toni says, "But everything I see has nothing in it's shape I can even relate it to...like the triangle shaped white things, with a hair bristle sticking out. See...those things, I don't know what they are. I've not seen anything that resembles them."
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Toni, (and anyone here with "critters") what organisms do you see on your body and in your enviroment? I rarely see colored fibers. I've found them in lesion material and intertwined with the shiny fuzz balls (always via a microscope)--but I've never seen them on or in my skin. I have every Morg. symptom listed, except for visible colored fibers.
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One of the people I have taked with only gets the sand grain granules on her skin, no fibers. However I can tell the morgs is eating her flesh away. Lots of pock scars and swelling in her face.
toni, I wonde if the fibers plugged up the lymph drainage from the leg so it swelled with fluid and got infected. Could get gangrene, I suppose. I wonder if the guy also had diabetes which would complicate the issue.
I literally had wads of black fibers exit from my forearms at the beginning of this bad dream, after I rubbed in the salicylic acid products. So I do believe they can buld up to a certain bulk under the top layers of skin. toni has mentioned some 50 of the hooked particles in the pores. If each one generates a fiber fuzz-ball mass, could get interesting.
Talk to you tomorrow..gotta go to, good night all.
I don't know, I didn't read anything about them. Looking now yeah it looks like it but wasn't trying to show anything except what they see and what they say. I just know that the cancer cells grow like tentacles and spread through out the body that way.
I do feel some things we see are our bodies, some things are our parasites.
Like the triangle things with hairs that I briefly saw you mention. Those are absolutely fluke stages...watch...I'll talk to you about the redia tomorrow if not tonight. Yes, triangles with flame cells, cilia and they are motile through out the body but also have a sucker.
The sporocyst stage is substantially changed from the miracidium, retaining only the sub-tegumental muscular layer and the protonephridial system. The surface of the sporocyst becomes a tegument covered with microvilli through which the larvae obtains nutrients from the host by absorption. The sporocyst can produce a second series of sporocysts or daughter sporocysts, or a different stage the Rediae. This depends on the parasite species.
The Rediae burst out of the sporocyst and are motile and usually make their way to the hepatopancreas or gonads of the snail. They have a rudimentary, but functional, digestive tract consisting of a mouth, muscular pharynx and a short unbranched intestine. Embryos within the rediae develop into daughter rediae or the next infective stage, the cercaria. Transplant experiments have demonstrated that a density dependant phenomenon determines if another generation of rediae or cercariae will be produced. These are the most facinating examples of the real, out of the box, what the bleep, organisms on the face of the planet. Even "Animal Planet" calls them the #1 Most Extreme Transformers!
After I've "worked" a lesion, by dabbing with milk and the antimicrobial gel....I'll get out so many of these triangular shaped little things with the bristle hair that sticks out the end of one of the "points of the triangle"...and I'll always find a navy blue fiber. I've not had many of the fuzz balls, nor in my environment, but in a lesion, they dark blue fiber always shows up.
Yesterday eve, I was removing more "triangles" and got another dark blue fiber. Looks about 1/8" in length and put it in a vial along with the triangles.
fuzzy face: I'm tying to find a morgellons doc in seattle. Preferably on who isn't going to say I have delusional parasitosis. I've already heard it from two different doctors.:-)
Nov 24, 2013 8:05:17 GMT -5
Baraka Obam: If you want to appear sane do not tell them you have bugs all over you, especially if nobody can see them. Its a no brainer, everytime you tell a doctor about insects its DOP.
Nov 24, 2013 22:42:20 GMT -5
Baraka Obam: People that do not care about results will tell you talking about bugs is good, people that adapt and overcome will suggest you leave the word BUGS, INSECTS, PARASITE OUT. Just say NO.I will not argue about this as its cut and dry
Nov 25, 2013 10:00:49 GMT -5
Baraka Obam: Get a new doctor and do not mention bugs and believe me the doctors will BAIT you, have you seen any bugs, ask him where, he may be anal and say, on your skin, coming out of you, just say, I had a mosquito on me yesterday, first one in years
Nov 25, 2013 10:06:42 GMT -5
Baraka Obam: DOCTOR do you think it is malaria????? LOL.
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threader: WTF? Obv he's not scabdraggr, he made like 15 shouts with nothing to say. Back on subject: What do Lymebuster members think of the CEHF's recent report of finding borellia burgdorferi in 100% of "many Morgellons patients". I got tick history, and U'all?
Nov 27, 2013 6:04:11 GMT -5
Baraka Obam: THE SHADOW KNOWS, anyway, in the military ticks are food, LOL, you know, I can not say it is NOT tick related, for the record, LYME lives inside humans, LYME is a spirochete, being that syphlus is also a spirochetes and has been SUPERSTRAINED by antibiotic
Nov 27, 2013 20:56:52 GMT -5
Baraka Obam: This could well be what we are fighting, OH BY THE WAY, LYME can be transmitted by sexual contact.
Nov 27, 2013 20:57:43 GMT -5
Baraka Obam: Then still we may look at the COW and its infection with spirochetes in its gut flora, these are supposed to be benificial, BUT with all the antibiotics being fed to COWS whats to say they are not harmful now, maybe all spirochetes mutated together.
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Dec 1, 2013 1:06:22 GMT -5
threader: Yes, the spirochete theses are really compelling. Symptoms match other spirochete diseases, as B.O. said. But tick-borne vectors for all of us? B.O.'s suspicions of sex and birth vectors seem more plausible IMO.
Dec 2, 2013 15:53:12 GMT -5
threader: A syndrome with roots that are allegedly from CA, TX, and FL doesn't really point towards a tick disease, does it. If Morgellons was a tick disease, wouldn't these forums just be chocked full of sufferers from Connecticut and NY?
Dec 2, 2013 15:59:13 GMT -5
Baraka Obam: Threader, I have read that Lyme can be passed by fluids. This could explain the spread of Lyme.
Dec 2, 2013 22:22:49 GMT -5
Baraka Obam: There is somthing I think you should imagine, there are millions of us, they just are not showing the exact same symptoms. Lesions showed on me early on, JUST one on my bottom, then NOTHING large for 30 years
Dec 2, 2013 22:25:51 GMT -5
Baraka Obam: The tiny bleeders opened up on my legs a few times and tiny spots on my head that oozed the amber fluid and facial pink spots there were many many other small episodes but nothing major untill gall bladder, 30 years after LESIONS
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