Is anyone else experiencing weird breathing problems? Certain movements bring on a breathing crisis. If I get out of a car and start walking too fast I get hit with this thing, feel like I am going to pass out (and very nearly have passed out, averted only by laying down on the ground), suddenly I am gasping for breath, it is so bad that I can not even speak when this is happening as I feel like every speck of energy I can muster must be focused on trying to get my breath back. Sometimes it is set off by getting up out of the bath tub.
I know I need to see the doctor about this. Because of the Lyme I have developed a heart block, maybe this is causing it. Or maybe my lungs are infected. I read that Chlamydia Pneumonia had been found in some Lyme/Morgellons sufferers.
Has anyone been diagnosed with Chlamydia Pneumonia?
To date the approach towards Morgellons has been much like Lyme. But there's a docs working on this who thinks that C. pneumonia is the underlying infectious agent causing many of our immuno-deficiencies.
The impaired immunity then allows a variety of infectious agents to cause problems. It also enables the reactivation of a number of other viral agents, especially the herpes groups.
It seems reactivation of herpes viruses may be a big player in causing some symptoms especially fatigue and pain. And so the logic is that the pain in many patients with chronic Lyme, Morgellons, Fibromyalgia, etc., is that the Varicella/Zoster virus is the culprit. Instead of causing only a single dermatome to become inflamed, there is generalized inflammation up and down the spinal column causing more generalized neuropathic pain.
So, the thought is, treat C. pneumonia, and a bunch of these other symptoms ought to go away.
The treatment is generally antibiotics and antifungals.
You probably know about "Bubba's" site www.morgellonstreatmentsteps.com The link to the following page from this site discusses the potential co-factering effects in Morgellons patients of 1: Chlamydia Pneunonia in patients with 2; Lyme vectored Borreliosis (Borrelia Burgdorferi) and 3; Clinical Babesiosis. This page also covered the authors (a morgellons patient) diagnostic and treatment history re Morgellons. It goes on the discuss the details of the treatment (from a LLMD) that got her well (along with the diagnostic tests he used to diagnose her various conditions and then to measure the effect of the treatment). www.morgellonstreatmentsteps.com/Morgellons_Medical_informat.html
I think there are many good, clear, practical and potentially effective treatment recommendations here. Kudos Bubba!
I had a chlamydia problem along with herpes (mouth type) high Epstein Barr , toxioplasmosis after my bulls eye rash. I always thought my ex gave me chlamydia . I have recently read on the net chlamydia is also vectored in by insects. Just do a wiki search, chlamydia. I became careful who I told this to after my nephew thought I had said ,I got high at Epstein Barr and caught herpes. Had to laugh, lil sissy
I am currently taking doxycycline, sulfa meth, albendazole, thyroid (armor), and Diovan for blood pressure.
I think doxy may affect breathing. But I have been having this problem before I started taking the Doxy.
Sometimes it feels like things are popping in my saliva in the back of my throat, always suspected that this was the very small eggs from some kind of parasite hatching out of my throat tissue, wondered if I have a parasitic infection of some kind in my lungs.
Has anyone with these breathing problems been significantly helped by anything? (medications, herbal remedies, etc.)
I used to have a lot of lung/breathing/coughing problems until I started taking Olive Leaf Extract. It can be expensive, but I found a really good brand, relatively inexpensive, at Swanson's vitamins. It costs about $12 per bottle, 120 capsules (a really good deal).
The brand is Swansons Superior Herbs, Olive Leaf Extract, standardized to 15% oleuropein, 500 mg capsules. (no, I do not sell it nor am I affiliated with the company). The dosage I started at was 5 capsules, three times a day for two weeks. Then I went on a maintanace dose of two caps, two times a day. This helps keep the lung thing under control.
You may need to experiment with maintenance dosage. But when starting out you want to hit it hard with 15 caps a day total. I did not have any side effects. Olive leaf is basically a food, just concentrated. It really helps in the standardized extract. Do a google search to find out the benefits. I keep OLE in my house at all times. I will not be without it, ever!!! Let me know if you have any questions.
Is there an alternative to taking Doxy? Perhaps this is exasberating your other conditions if you are sensitive to it.
SIDE EFFECTS: This medication may cause stomach upset, diarrhea, nausea, headache or vomiting. If these symptoms persist or worsen, notify your doctor. Very unlikely but report: stomach pain, yellowing of the eyes or skin, vision changes, mental changes. Doxycycline increases sensitivity to sunlight. In the unlikely event you have an allergic reaction to this drug, seek immediate medical attention. Symptoms of an allergic reaction include: rash, itching, swelling, dizziness, trouble breathing. If you notice other effects not listed above, contact your doctor or pharmacist.
"I am currently taking doxycycline, sulfa meth, albendazole, thyroid (armor), and Diovan for blood pressure.
I think doxy may affect breathing. But I have been having this problem before I started taking the Doxy.
Sometimes it feels like things are popping in my saliva in the back of my throat, always suspected that this was the very small eggs from some kind of parasite hatching out of my throat tissue, wondered if I have a parasitic infection of some kind in my lungs."
After further thought, I should not have brought up the medicine. It is unlikely that medicine you have been on would cause these problems, when it is much more likely to be a parasite. I have had an increase in shortness of breath just recently and have not been taking Doxy, or Albendazole for atleast two weeks. One thing we have in common is the blood pressure medicine. Another commonality is I know I have a parasitic infection in my lungs and head. Sometimes feel long strands in throat that cause a choking reaction. So you do not have a productive cough? Mine is definetly tinted lime green.
When I experience the most difficulty it feels like, not a problem with lungs, but a lack of oxygen to the brain. If that makes any sense. Just this morning while gargling with peroxide, all of a sudden I could not breath, had to spit out the rinse and gasp for breath. Isn't it equally possible that parasites are blocking air channels in the head?
Anyway, you are right to speak with your doctor about this, and I would take the report mentioned above with you to see what your doc has to say. If I had the funds and had a doc, CPN is the path I would follow more than any other I have read about. It does look quite expensive though.
Take care Glenn
It would go as a silent plague into the DNA of every living creature on this planet to reveal its true face in the generations to come. Dr. H. Staninger
Post by abbienormal on Aug 15, 2007 18:15:30 GMT -5
The Mister and I are now, almost on a daily basis, loosing our breath (as if a mechanism of some kind clicks and shuts off the air passage). Sometimes it only lasts a couple of seconds and sometimes it is excruciatingly long and I fight to get air.
Also more and more choking on food.
We are going to start (god willing) the C. Pneumoniae protcol next week. We are going through a battery of tests, one of which is for the C. Pneumoniae and hope to attack the lyme and morgellons with the CPn protocol.
I was surprised to hear that some are experiencing the breathing problems just out of the blue, or triggered by something like gargling peroxide.
My breathing problem is almost always set off by doing something physical. The most common cause is getting out of a seated position in a car and starting to walk. A couple of times it hit me so hard that I had to lay down on the ground in public to keep from passing out. Sometimes getting out of the bath tub too fast sets it off.
I am not sure exactly what is happening physically with the shortness of breath...I'm wondering if my heart temporarily stops beating or if my lungs are having a spasm.
It is scary because when it happens it takes every bit of energy and concentration I have to just focus on trying to get my breath back. Occasionally when it has happened in the presence of others they will ask me if I am ok over and over not realizing that I am completely unable to speak while I am gasping for air.
I have a left heart block. Maybe this is connected?
Post by notime2work on Aug 16, 2007 19:57:21 GMT -5
Babesia can also cause breathing problems and air hunger. It hits me 2-3 times a year, and sometimes lasts for a month or two. I have done abx and alternative treatments, and can't seem to get rid of it.
I am am being teated for high blood pressure. I do have insulin resistance and hypoglycemia (caused by this disease most liikely). I have never noticed if the attacks were related to bouts of low blood sugar.
My primary suspicion is that an organism (chylamedia or a parasite) has invaded my lungs and that may be what is causing the problem.
Another possibility is a reaction or sensitivity that has developed because of all the irritating chemtrail particles in the air.
The first time I noticed this breathing problem was approximately 10 years ago right when the chemtrail spraying started to be noticed.
I have another type of breathing problem that happens periodically, especially when I am working in my downstairs office. I get a choking cough, feel like I am breathing some kind of toxic fumes. This choking cough lasts from 30 seconds or so up to five or ten minutes and happens most frequently in the after noon and evening.
Chemtrails are also associated with EDB. I wonder if this toxic gas isn't settling out of the chemtrails, seeking out the lowest level. Since my office is in my garage perhaps this is an explanation for the coughing fits.
Post by specuelatin on Aug 19, 2007 7:11:20 GMT -5
interesting information, josej
Lyrica is a medication now FDA approved for fibromyalgia.
It helps relieve nerve pain of various sorts.
In the first week, it helped allow my ribcage to expand where it was restricted for many years. Now, I don't struggle as much for breath as I'm not fighting that restriction. It may not solve your breathing problems, but it could help some of you, especially those experiencing nerve pain or fibro symptoms... ps some researchers believe lyme and fibromyalgia to be strongly correlated..
I am certain the macrophages are deep in the nervous system. I am sure of this because of the responses i feel along the nerve pathways each time I herx on the marshallprotocol.com and the bacteria is dying hooray.
The first several months I had herxing occur in the lining of the lungs, coughing and the feeling of ice crystals on the lining. This is typical response of clearing of the lining in the lung tissue on the MP during initial herxing.
I'm now in the modified phase 2 and preparing to enter the actual phase 2 anytime now. I have felt much nerve tingling in modified phase 2 and clearing on the brain fog while in the modified phase 2... typical of modified phase 2 results.
phase 2 antibacterial/antibiotic scripts focus on getting the meds deeper into the tissues where the beasts reside... so though the herxing will be tough, I am looking forward to it! I crave the herx now. Every 48 hours. They ask you take a day off now and then, go a full 72 hours between the two doses, this to estimate better your herx reactions.
When I do the craving really sets in, I can't wait to take the low dose antibiotic and set the wheels in motion once again. First comes a burst as the level begins to rise, then a lull, then the major herx as the level begins to fall, then a deep fatigue, and the relief of sleep. While all this occurs, I know the garbage is dying.
I began the LYRICA several weeks ago after seeing a pain management doctor for back/hip/joint problems and she informed me that she has been using lyrica for fibromyalgia for quite sometime and recently was FDA approved, it will also help the brain fog issues and help you think more clearly. duh. I am now at 225 mg per day, the maximum is 450 mg and they titrate you up a little at a time. At months end, I go up to 300 mg.
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Got to Go as I still can't handle too much light from the computer screen etc/ as always, Yours truly, spec
"The mind is not a vessel to be filled but a fire to be kindled." -Plutarch
If Lyrica works for some that is wonderful. However I have read numerous negative reports about serious side effects.
Considering the FDA"s inclination to release new drugs without proper trials to determine if the new drug is truly safe (Vioxx ended up killing over 100,000 people before it was taken off the market, there have been serious problems with a new diabetis drug, statin drugs are causing problems...etc etc) I have decided the wisest course is not to take any new medications until they have been on the market for at least a few years without killing people.
Still, that is no guarantee of safety. Flouride has been on the market, added to our water, to tooth paste, mouth wash and some medications for decades in spite of there being no reliable research that shows flouride actually prevents cavities. However, there is plenty of research showing that in communities with floruidated water children have lower IQ's. There are also elevated rates of heart disease, neurology problems, bone disease and cancer in communities with flouridated water. Small amounts of Flouride taken over time cause permanent changes in the brain and personality.
Our prescription happy medical community writes way too many prescriptions for drugs that may or may not be safe to just treat symptoms without treating the underlying problem. Properly taken prescription medications are the number four cause of death in this country killing more people annually than aids, suicides and homicides combined.
I have personal experience with this as the lives of BOTH my parents were cut short because of reactions to prescription medications.
My father died from the side effects of taking Coumadine ( a blood thinner). My mother became psychotic from the side effects of taking medication for Parkinson's disease (this side effect was listed in the medications literature as a possible complication). The stressful visions and delusions she was having sent her blood pressure through the roof, a vein popped causing a massive and fatal brain hemmorage.
Quasamoto: Them that were Upon us, bees, ants, lice, scabies, mites, fly's, aphids, caterpillars and some worms, they wanted the taste of human flesh, ya see, the devil himself was the leader of this hellish (YUCCY) clan, for today, they would make a meal of man
Jul 21, 2014 22:26:11 GMT -5
Quasamoto: Hardehar I bellered, it is not I that is yeller, at that moment came a crab from the sea, looking just like a giant under ware critter that was biting my knee, it was then I cried out for god, please god help me.
Jul 21, 2014 22:34:44 GMT -5
Quasamoto: a boom and flash in the sky, woke me from that dream in my mind, I realized quite quickly, the itching that bit me, more than likely came from the apple of my eye.
Jul 21, 2014 22:38:15 GMT -5
trubanwhiz: Dude that was so gay I'm never coming back to this site. HOLY GOD DAMN
Jul 22, 2014 3:00:44 GMT -5
Quasamoto, : Are you implying that I look like a dude just because I have a HUGE hump on my back, your so cruel. Your so cruel, I bet you think this song is about you, don't you, don't you.
Jul 22, 2014 12:27:39 GMT -5
Kitty2014: Hey, T-whiz, don't be bothered by that! The most bizarre thing that normally happens is educated sarcasm! Lol! I hope you got my thread link before you legged it!? Fingers' crossed, I'm ok even if a bit eccentric! Lol!
Jul 22, 2014 12:38:58 GMT -5
Kitty2014: Hey, Quasi - you've frightened him off and he needs help! Cheers!!!
Jul 22, 2014 12:40:21 GMT -5
Quasamoto: Really, that my dear was a troll, that is why the site is locked up and nobody can sign in, they come do the dummy dance and say, oh my you have hurt my sensibility's and then called me gay, slander will get you nothing. I know them by their rhetoric,
Jul 22, 2014 18:11:16 GMT -5
Quasamoto: stop belly aching, grow up, all of us are in this mud hole ya see, and there is one guy above us, ya see, he is the big boss, ya see, all of a sudden one of us in the mud hole says, WHAT MAKES HIM SO SPECIAL THAT HE IS UP THERE AND WE ARE IN THIS MUD HOLE?
Jul 22, 2014 18:18:21 GMT -5
Quasamoto: I DO NOT KNOW SAYS ONE OF US, WHY DON'T YOU ASK HIM, SO TURBANWIS CLIBS UP OUT OF THE HOLE AND ASKS, WHY ARE WE IN THE MUD HOLE AND YOUR OUT HERE, THE BIG BOSS TELLS TURBAN TO PICK UP A SHOVEL, THE BOSS PUTS HIS HAND ON THE TREE AND SAYS HIT MY HAND!!
Jul 22, 2014 18:21:31 GMT -5
Quasamoto: wELL TURBAN IS PLEASED TO BASH THE BIG BOSS HAND, SO HE HAULS OFF AND LETS HIM HAVE IT, WELL JUST BEFORE THE SHOVEL HITS BIG BOSS HAND HE PULLS HIS HAND AWAY FROM THE TREE AND TURBANS SHOVEL HITS THE TREE HURTING THE HECK OUT OF HIS OWN HANDS.
Jul 22, 2014 18:24:23 GMT -5
Quasamoto: SO TURBAN MAN JUMPS BACK DOWN IN THE HOLE WITH US IN THE MUD AND WE ASK, WHAT DID HE SAY, TURBAN HANDS ME A SHOVEL PUTS HIS HAND OVER HIS FACE AND SAYS, HIT MY HAND!!!
Jul 22, 2014 18:26:59 GMT -5
Quasamoto: JUST SEEMS SOME PEOPLES SMART AIN'T NOT THE SAME AS OTHER PEOPLES SMART. that's WHY WE ARE IN THIS MUD HOLE SEE ITS PAINFUL BUT YOU GOT A CHOICE YOU CAN LAUGH OR CRY. I KNOW THE POLITICALLY CORRECT BUNCH IS GONNA BE BLUBBERIN, THEY JUST CAN NOT FACE REALIT
Jul 22, 2014 18:36:31 GMT -5
Jul 22, 2014 18:37:34 GMT -5
Kitty2014: Quasamoto, if you wanna chat sometime, instead of spielin' your frightenin' (but true and comical!) dialect, then, you know where I am! In the meantime, carry on prayin'! Lol!
Jul 22, 2014 19:29:24 GMT -5
Kitty2014: Hey, where did all that just come from? I'll read it if it lets me scroll up!
Jul 22, 2014 19:30:39 GMT -5
Kitty2014: I understand where you're comin' from, but I thought he was genuine! How do you know? I am new to all this, so haven't got a clue! What could he have accomplished? The only thing I would have done, was try to give him the bit of advice I have learned! Lol!
Jul 22, 2014 20:10:41 GMT -5
Kitty2014: So, apart from directin' him to sites with info, which anyone can access, he wouldn't have accomplished anythin'! ...... Makes ya sick, doesn't it, if that's their true purpose!? If it isn't bad enough that we're sufferin' to be duped more!!!
Jul 22, 2014 20:14:15 GMT -5
Kitty2014: Thanks for the info, though! I wondered why I couldn't log in! Major Bummer!!! Are you able to tell me what's goin' on with you or is it too risky? Be nice to have a conversation! Are you a member of the Morgellons Group? If so, could chat on there!
Jul 22, 2014 20:19:17 GMT -5
Kitty2014: At least able to log on and go on threads! I have to say, I like your style and when I'm not tryin' to be Mother Theresa, I'm comical too; but not to your standards, of course! It mostly involves swearin'! Lol! Anyway, around for a while so I'll check back
Jul 22, 2014 20:24:16 GMT -5