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Post by skytroll on Jan 24, 2008 16:17:59 GMT -5
Psychosis diagnosis does not cause Muscle disease or muscle disease does not cause psychosis.
Look at this stupid thing! Is this the best the NIH can do?
"Creatine Kinase and Aldolase in Serum: Abnormality Common to Acute Psychoses Herbert Meltzer 1
1 National Institute of Mental Health, Bethesda, Maryland 20014
Activity of creatine kinase and aldolase in serum increased in 14 of 16 patients with recent onset of a psychotic reaction, and in five of six patients treated with psychotomimetic drugs. There was either no increase of these enzymes or a slight increase in severely agitated (or depressed) non-psychotic hospitalized patients and chronic psychotic patients. The increase of the enzymes preceded the onset of the acute psychotic symptoms in at least three cases, was highest during the first 2 weeks of a psychotic episode, and sometimes recurred throughout the illness, particularly at times of stress. The creatine kinase in the serum is primarily of the muscle type."
THIS ARTICLE HAS BEEN CITED BY OTHER ARTICLES:
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Histochemical Abnormalities of Skeletal Muscle in Patients with Acute Psychoses. W. K. Engel and H. Meltzer (1970) Science 168, 273-275 ttp://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/159/3821/1368
So, info is what we are after...........
Morgellons is an Internet disease? RIGHT!
Having lived around muscular dystrophy, the slow loss of muscle protein (fiber?) does not indicate a loss of mental capacity.
Never has, never will....................
Seems the genoming business took a turn in the 50's! Crick, Watson, Franklin, Klug, Bucky and the whole LOT OF THEM!
All diseases gene related..............WRONG..................
Now, will say Mental related............WRONG......................
If there is enzyme/protein deficiency caused by worms, this is a physical condition. PERIOD!
Interacting genes with the environment, the computer, will only bring about more diseases, that keeps the circle going,......or will eliminate those who cannot get treated.
Skytroll
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Post by skytroll on Jan 24, 2008 16:25:01 GMT -5
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Post by teller on Jan 24, 2008 19:40:24 GMT -5
Your topic title caught my eye. Why are you stating that "psychosis has nothing to do with muscle wasting" when you don't know anything about what you're saying? Kidney failure and rhabdomyolysis can easily induce psychosis. Is that what you have?
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Post by skytroll on Jan 24, 2008 19:46:24 GMT -5
Teller,
I had a brother die from muscular dystrophy and I carry it!. we are not psychotic.
I do know what I am talking about. So, I think you need to learn a few things.
I am educated.........Have a degree, and it is genuine............even through all the liberal crap I was able to learn something that was truthful, even though I got bad grades for not agreeing with abortion and evolution. I can stand outside the box.
Seems like you can't. When the going gets rough you start attacking the person.
I have seen this for over 30 years, nothing new.....Even Hillary does it, makes her look pretty dumb.
Skytroll
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Post by skytroll on Jan 24, 2008 19:47:16 GMT -5
you can challenge me all you want teller, but, thinking is a hobby of mine.
Skytroll
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Post by teller on Jan 25, 2008 0:02:58 GMT -5
Skytroll, I haven't meant to challenge you if you aren't playing a game. Look, we're all itchy and sick and finally about to find out why. Since "thinking is a hobby" of yours, could you slow down any and think about what you're doing? Do you even know why you haven't provided me with the source of what you claim as fact about those bioweapons that you said Fort Ord produced? Posting questions incessantly without respecting what it does to some people in the worst throes of this disease seems pretty cruel. I just started to notice your method of doing this. Plus, is there anything in the world that you aren't against? You have my sincere condolences over the loss of your brother. That's very sad. Have you familiarized yourself with any of the studies concerning the genetic variation in the human dysbindin gene (DTNBP1)?
John Teller
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Post by skytroll on Jan 25, 2008 2:25:25 GMT -5
I am not playing a game, I have been studying this things we have for a very long time.
Bioweapons have been mentioned here many times, not just by me, but by others.
I ask these questions to those on here who do play the games. What is done at OSU is kept secret, and others here from MRF, do not include me in their news stories, but take all my info, I know they do, and I do it for free. I have no reporting job or investigative news job because my lesions would be leaking as I was interviewing the persons for my stories.
I had to throw my career out the window.
Now, I research and research and I will quite if I am causing more than good. I have never meant to do this.
Thanks for bringing me to task, I did not find the anthrax at Fort Ord in any papers, and I am wrong, unless the papers are classified, which no doubt they are.
However, the State University of California took over some of that land, a Panetta deal with Clinton when they closed the base, however, that was a good deal, but did they clean the place before the Univ moved in, that was my concern.
Also later on saw that they were working with Geobacter material, which was related to the P aeringinosa which was killing the whales, of which I posted.
The dystrophin protein is the one with MD and I do not believe in any of the gene therapy, it has killed more patients because of the virus used to put it in the DNA.
I am sorry, I usually try to present things in a more positive and educational manner.
You are holding me to the light, that is good, gets me looking more at what I am saying.
I am angry for the reports of some docs that say we are DOP. I have fought psycho labels all my life, just because I grew up poor. Poverty has nothing to do with knowledge or mental capacity. I defend myself there, because of the crap given growing up. I won't apologize for that. Just hangs around my neck all the time and sometimes comes out.
I never mean to disrespect, only those who deserve it.
What I was getting at was the use of genetics there at that Univ after Fort Ord closed and the fact that it may have been contaminated.
Let er go. But, in the future I will be more exact.
Skytroll
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Post by robertalouise26 on Jan 25, 2008 2:47:35 GMT -5
Dearest skytroll you are always trying to help and educate us about what this thing might be. With me we know that I have pseudomonas aeruginosa. I asked the Doctor at the hospital if it spread and he said no only around the head. WELL YOU KNOW AND I KNOW THAT IT DOES AFFECT OTHER PARTS OF OUR BODY. You know much much much more than me but I found out via the internet that it gets into the lungs and I am sure that I have it in my left lung. I have had trouble with pneumonia and pleuresy for the last four years. THE DOCTOR LIED TO ME!!!! I asked him for anti biotics and he wouldn't give them to me!!!!! I am getting worse. My throat is red raw my mouth is full of ulcers, I have a very sore tougue and lips. And if pseudomonas aeruginosa can kill whales IT SURELY CAN KILL ME!!!!!!! I look forward to your post skytroll but some of them go right over my head. I don't have a scientific mind like you. Love and best wishess. Roberta.
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Post by skytroll on Jan 25, 2008 2:51:19 GMT -5
Roberta,
Did the doc give you anything for the ulcers in your mouth?
Skytroll
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Post by teller on Jan 25, 2008 3:24:45 GMT -5
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Post by robertalouise26 on Jan 25, 2008 3:58:11 GMT -5
Dearest skytroll thank you for asking NO HE DIDNT GIVE ME ANYTHING I have seen him two weeks running and complained to him about my throat, mouth tongue and lips and he justs ignores me. He has lied to me!!!! AND I HATE LIERS!!! I have just looked up the wretched P>A> found another page and yes it can kill me. I am not well and haven't been for a very very long time I have aches and pains al over my body I hate to wake up in the morning I just wake up to pain muscle spasims knotd in my legs. I honetly don't think that he caares about me at all. he prescribed another 5 mls of ear drrops on the free list as I coun't afford the best ones $30 He doesn't want to see again for two weeks 5mls will last me 4 to 5 days if I am very careful. Skytroll I honestly and sincerrely think that I am going to die of this thing if NO ONE WILL GIVE ME ANY ANTIBIOTICS!!! i HAVE FOUND ON THE INERNET
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Post by robertalouise26 on Jan 25, 2008 4:38:57 GMT -5
SORRY SKYTROL THE COMPUTER CUT ME OFF. He hasn't given me anything apart from ear drops 5mls that will last me 4 to 5 days and then what do i do. I have complained to him for two weeks about my my throat, mouth, tongue and lips and he just takes no notice. I have looked up on the internet and I can die from this wretched thing. I have also found 5 antibiotics that can be used to treat this they are ussualy prescribed two different ones at the same time for 4 to 6 weeks. Skytroll I have been sick for a very very long time and I am getting worse. I even read on the internet that even some disenfectants can spread this!!! They didn't name the disenfectant. Apparently this is quite rife in hospitals and the year before last I was in hospital 4 times in six months with broken bones and that is one way of catching it. This Doctor at the hospital is a spcialist Otomologist, an ear, nose AND THROAT MAN and he doesn't listen to me!!!!!!!!! I don't know wether I should go back to my GP I cann't eat very much because my mouth and throat are so painful. I have this resource plus drink which is full of nutriments and contains 360 calorries. I drink it in my coffee everyday. I know that people will think that it is good but it even hurts me to smoke!!!!!! and I am a heavy smoker. I am stressed to my limit. What keeps me going is Kyra and this board and the people on it. Not even my daughter anymore. She is sick and tired of me being sick and doesn't want to know. I am sorry to off load on you skytroll but you seem to be the only person who really really knows and understands the ramifecations of this disease. I understand now why the GP was soooo insistance that I get to the hospital as soon as possible. But I honetly don't think that one day would make any difference. I guess I don't know what happens with disease do you just waste away is that right? How does it affect the whales? Did you know that Kyra went to the Vet yesterday for her annual vaccination. The Vet checked her out all over and then found that she had infected ears and she thinks that KYRA HAS THE SAME THING AS ME AND THAT I COULD HAVE GIVEN IT TO KYRA!!!!!!!!!! She has some very very good ear drops and since her vaccintion she has been eating more thank heavens I have been so worried about her. But now she expects special food all the time. I have been trying to entice her to eat so have bought her ox liver and ox kidney and chicken necks and scrambled eggs. The Vet about three weeks ago put her on very very strong antibiotic tablets and I AM ABSOLUTELY POSITIVE that they have helped Kyra tremendously I was very very worried about her. Now the Vet can give Kyra strong antibiotics to help her because she had a high temperature and was not well at all. AND YET THE SPECIALIST WONT GIVE ME ANYTHING!!!!!!!! Don't get me wrong skytroll I am thrilled over the moon that Kyra has come right she is the light of my life. I love my daughter dearly but she has no understanding of illness and has even told me that she is sick to death of my not being well because it frustrates her. I admit that the year before last I was in hospital soo much and it got her down. She had to come and feed Kyra. Christine seems to think that I get sick deliberately. If you were me with these symptoms skytroll what would YOU DO? Love and best wishes. Roberta.
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Post by skytroll on Jan 25, 2008 8:29:47 GMT -5
i remember having stuff in mouth, a while back, but that was after taking an antibiotic. it seemed to kick some out,had bumps all over tongue, but, I hung in there, Didn't get more antibiotics. was afraid too. If you can use mouthwash or even salt water to rinse with that might help.
I think it takes time. Do you have Vit C and B? That might help. You are taking a nutritional supplement, that is good.
Take care
Skytroll
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Post by skytroll on Jan 25, 2008 8:35:21 GMT -5
Teller, All that explains to me is that these folks at Howard Hughes are trying to make this into a mental disease, they do not mention dystrophin which is what leaves the body in Muscular Dystrophy. It leave muscles and is a pseudohypertrophic disease. Duchenne used electricity on a boy with muscle wasting. That machine was later used to diagnose Duchenne's. HHMI is not looking what many other scientists are doing. They come out of the blue saying this is brain related. These people who have this do not have brain problems. My brother was a writer. Here again, the source tell us where they are going with this. This is not the whole story. The gene is not the only issue here, the actin itself is, does not lead to scz. others are finding that that is caused by a virus or even a parasite. Why has HHMI ignored the other studies? They mention nothing about Actin myosin or microfilaments. Purely muscle contraction issues, not mental issues here! Actomyosin filaments In muscle, actin is the major component of thin filaments, which, together with the motor protein myosin (which forms thick filaments), are arranged into actomyosin myofibrils. These fibrils comprise the mechanism of muscle contraction. Using the hydrolysis of ATP for energy, myosin heads undergo a cycle during which they attach to thin filaments, exerting a tension, and then depending on the load, perform a power stroke that causes the thin filaments to slide past, shortening the muscle. In contractile bundles, the actin-bundling protein alpha-actinin separates each thin filament by ~35 nm. This increase in distance allows thick filaments to fit in between and interact, enabling deformation or contraction. In deformation, one end of myosin is bound to the plasma membrane while the other end "walks" toward the plus end of the actin filament. This pulls the membrane into a different shape relative to the cell cortex. For contraction, the myosin molecule is usually bound to two separate filaments and both ends simultaneously "walk" toward their filament's plus end, sliding the actin filaments closer to each other. This results in the shortening, or contraction, of the actin bundle (but not the filament). This mechanism is responsible for muscle contraction and cytokinesis, the division of one cell into two. Actin polymerization and depolymerization is necessary in chemotaxis and cytokinesis. Nucleating factors are necessary to stimulate actin polymerization. Also, Actin filaments themselves bind ATP, and hydrolysis of this ATP stimulates destabilization of the polymer. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Actin#GeneticsJannelia Farm is locked up too much into their own thinking. I am glad they are finally ordered to release their papers! Along with NIH. they thought they could come out with their findings and everyone would fall down and worship them. Epigenetics points out disease is not just in the genes. Is the proteins themselves. Mutation on the gene cause of disease. Spermotogenesis or other problems. Why not prions? Prions unfold proteins. That could have been the mutation. How do we know, if they never talk of it? Very interesting that they mention in wiki about the s. cerevisceae which actually has the amyloid fibrils (prions). Seems sclerosing is involved and calcium ion channels. I understand that Royal Society has reports on the Muscular motor that Oxford worked on. Will see if I can find it. They stopped in the 50's and when the genoming started they jumped on board. Along with the flagellar motors started in Japan. Skytroll
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Post by art on Jan 25, 2008 15:30:13 GMT -5
Teller, See Questinhair's post on Lyme Section please : January 13 Lyme Disease bio warfare history thats 1 , many more documented cases of Gov. vs. Population.
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