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Post by farmerjohn on May 24, 2007 7:05:33 GMT -5
Hi Bannanny, We never tried the Salt & Vit. C--- well Annie did give it a shot for 3 to 4 days and gave it up. That amount of salt has to be tough on the body. But if it is a last resort therapy, then it's logically worth a try.
My personal opinion is that it shouldn't be done at the same time as using strong herbals. I'm thinking overload for kidneys and liver and maybe the cardiovascular system.
Blue Skies.............JohnI went with the salt/C from the start, was on it for weeks, plus colloidal silver and my usual twiv\ce daily concoction of vitamins and minerals. I am sure I am over the Lyme, just suffering the damage caused by it to nerves, tendons and joints. I still do a maintence sessions of salt/C every few weeks for three days just in case! It is hard on the body, probably hard on the bacteria and parasites too!
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Post by jwf on May 24, 2007 14:31:07 GMT -5
Hi FarmerJohn,
It does seem that most of the damage done by the Lyme bacteria is caused by toxins that it releases, especially when dying, that in turn causes inflammation.
The quicker one can eliminate the toxins, then the damaging inflammation is kept to a minimum. The caution that I mentioned was specifically related to taking strong herbs like Cat's Claw, Teasel, Artemisinin, etc. while at the same time taking large amounts of salt.
Not a good idea, since with Artemisinin alone you can damage the liver if toxins build up too quickly from a die-off. We found that NAC (Cysteine) is a great sup- plement to take to protect the Kidneys, Liver, etc. when detoxing.
Neither my wife or I have any residual symptoms, so I feel like we killed the Lyme & Morgellons with very little collateral damage.
Blue Skies..............John
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Post by hannah on May 30, 2007 19:54:27 GMT -5
Blue Skies, Thanks again for the information you provide. I'm going to order the NAC Cysteine - found a UK site I can buy it from. I wonder if you could help me with this question- I've used your tip regarding the menthol crystals for the environement but I am now being treated by a homeopath and I have to avoid peppermint and menthol. Any ideas what might be just as effective as the crystals?
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Post by jwf on Jun 3, 2007 0:04:16 GMT -5
Hi Hannah,
I understand you are much better--- Goooood! Menthol was the best relief that we found from the itches. Second to that we found that the enzyme cleaner with peppermint was excellent.
At the time we were using it, you could also buy it without peppermint, and that worked well to: www.usersafe.com/shopdisplayproducts.asp?search=yes
tinyurl.com/2fx6nk
Also, we put the food grade DE in our attic to kill off any disease carriers. That seems to work well as a barrier.
ant may know some oils that work as well as the menthol. We experimented with a few like balsam of Peru, lavender, rosemary, etc., but the menthol was tops.
When I found out that it is used to kill the mites that kill honeybees, we had to try it.
Blue Skies............John
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Post by dixie7 on Jul 8, 2007 3:36:10 GMT -5
Hi jwf-Blue Skies John,
THANK YOU for sharing all your experiences and information for getting rid of Lymes/Morgellons. I am happy to know there is a way to cure these awful maladies.
Stay well and be blessed dixie7
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Post by farmerjohn on Jul 9, 2007 7:57:35 GMT -5
Hi jwf-Blue Skies John, THANK YOU for sharing all your experiences and information for getting rid of Lymes/Morgellons. I am happy to know there is a way to cure these awful maladies. Stay well and be blessed dixie7 I don't know about "cured" Dixie, but I am a lot better than I was several months back! I'm still suffering with hands, wrists, shoulders arms and knees. BUT, at least I can walk pretty well, lift over 50 pounds again and do things I was beginning to think I couldn't ever again. Each day brings a little relief, I think I'm rid of the bacteria, just so much tissue damage that the body needs to repair. It can and does still get frustrating not being able to do what I used to this time last year!! I did notice the disease left me with some "hollows" in my calf muscles, a left over from when I lost a major part of my muscle tissue last year. Probably scars, I don't know. John
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Post by jwf on Jul 9, 2007 16:58:34 GMT -5
Hi dixie7,
You're welcome. For me and my wife the herbs have been a blessing. We are as close to 100% as folks our age are going to get. We are involved in a building pro- ject that takes a lot of energy and clear thinking, so it's great to have that on tap.
Fighting Morgellons, and for us also Lyme, takes a big commitment to change; change in diet, sleep, exercise, mental outlook, etc. We were so tired of being sick that we were willing to let go of a lot of old habits.
We found out early on that a lot of conspiracy thinking and getting emotionally strung out didn't help our illness. We looked at what we could change and moved forward, mostly with research in herbs and a commitment to positive thinking about our health.
Hopefully, what we used and learned will help many others.
Blue Skies.............John
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Post by bugsy on Jul 9, 2007 17:48:01 GMT -5
jwf, I like your style. ~Bugsy
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Post by Patti on Jul 9, 2007 18:34:41 GMT -5
We found out early on that a lot of conspiracy thinking and getting emotionally strung out didn't help our illness. We looked at what we could change and moved forward, mostly with research in herbs and a commitment to positive thinking about our health.
Hopefully, what we used and learned will help many others. Blue Skies.............John
John, I doubt you will ever know to what extent you have helped others, there are just too many to list.....and those are only the ones who've been vocal about it. When it comes to kindness, sharing, and caring, I can't think of better examples than you and your wife....I wish you both many blessings and a happy, Morgie-less future. Hugs! Patti
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Post by jwf on Jul 9, 2007 23:56:01 GMT -5
Hi Bugsy & Patti,
Bugsy, of all the Seven Forest formulas, Isatis 6 and Forsythia 18 are the two that we use. It seems the best place to buy them may be your local acupuncturist.
www.itmonline.org/arts/lyme.htm
There are some online sources now, but I'm not able to vouch for any of them. Best Wishes.
Patti, it's you folks who make this forum possible that deserve all the thanks. It must be quite a challenge to keep everything on even keel. So thank you to all the moderators and board owners. A large part of our success has been the valuable knowledge and help we've received right here.
Blue Skies................John
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Post by bugsy on Jul 14, 2007 16:52:01 GMT -5
Thanks jwf. Appreciate that.
Has anyone in here tried or heard of "PORIA COCOS?" aka Fu Ling, Tuckahoe, Indian Bread. Here is an interesting find on Pub Med regarding it's nematicidal activity. I've actually taken the plunge and ordered some....minus the sulfa...it is generally mixed with...which I am allergic to. Wish me luck.
Here is the Pub Med link to Poria Cocos.http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=15765052&dopt=Abstract
~Bugsy
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Post by bugsy on Jul 14, 2007 16:56:13 GMT -5
Sorry link didn't work. Here is the actual article. Not very long. J Microbiol. 2005 Feb;43(1):17-20. Related Articles, Links Nematicidal activity and chemical component of Poria cocos. Li GH, Shen YM, Zhang KQ. Laboratory for Conservation and Utilization of Bio-resource, Yunnan University, Kunming 650091, PR China. Poria cocos, a famous traditional Chinese medicine, was found to have nematicidal activity in experiments searching for nematicidal fungi. The experiment showed it could kill 94.9% of the saprophytic nematode, Panagrellus redivivue, 92.6% of the root-knot nematode, Meloidogyne arenaria, and 93.5% of the pine nematode, Bursaphelenchus xylophilus, on PDA plate within 12 hours. According to the nematicidal activity, three new compounds, 2, 4, 6-triacetylenic octane diacid, 2, 4, 5, 6-tetrahydroxyhexanoic acid and 3, 4-dihydroxy-2-keto-n-butyl 2,4,5,6-tetrahydroxyhexanate, were isolated from submerged cultures of Poria cocos. Of these, 2, 4, 6-triacetylenic octane diacid could kill 83.9% Meloidogyne arenaria and 73.4% Panagrellus redivivus at 500 ppm within 12 hours. Here, it is reported for the first time that Poria cocos has nematicidal activity. ~Bugsy
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Post by bugsy on Jul 27, 2007 9:25:24 GMT -5
Well, we finally received our Poria Cocos from Chinese direct....took from the 14th to the 26th..wow...long time. Sure it had to arrive the same day that I had a colonoscopy. I took one anyway. It comes in a powder with a little 1 gram spoon, so you have to have some gel capsules to put it in. Mine only hold about 1/2 gram. Took one yesterday and one today. According to that report I posted above....it should only take 500 parts per million to kill the above listed nematodes.....hmmm...I'm about 138 lbs....ahhhh. Shouldn't take many or very long if THAT is in fact what is part of this mystery. Then to work on all of the fungus/yeast by products .....with oil of oregano and we will be all set right???!!! Here is another link about Poria Cocos intended uses. It's not usually intended to kill nematodes....it's used for acne (oily skin), nerves, etc.. www.mdidea.com/products/new/new045.htmlA little history www.gmaherbs.com/pcm.htmlAgain, if anyone has used this Chinese herb I would LOVE to hear about it. ~Bugsy
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Post by dixie7 on Aug 3, 2007 21:00:31 GMT -5
Thank you John for your quick reply. From what I have learned about you on the computer, you deserve the King's crown for caring, helping, sharing, and loving others. I have been studying herbs for abut ten years. Hang out with several herbalists (Nature's Sunshine) dealers and studied old Dr. Christopher, Bernard Jensen, Richard Schultz, Matthew Wood and read works of many others. My brain gets so fuzzy, I can't remember as much as I used to, but I don't give up. Now that I have the name Poria Cocos mushroom, maybe I can find it from an acupuncturist in my town. I am glad you and your wife are well and can enjoy working on a project together. You indicated you are elderly; I will be 69 in December this year. I had to accept disability from my work as an educator when I had a chemical injury that left me with Multiple Chemical Sensitivity/Environmental Illness ten years ago. With this and now this crud and Lymes, I have lost most of my friends, the very little family I had left and so it has just been Jesus and me. I got this old dinosaur computer and learned to get on the net and do simple emails and I began to learn about what was wrong with me and meet some wonderful people on finding1cure, MDR, Lyme strategies and now Lyme busters. I am so grateful to God for this and for the wonderful people like you and others I have had contact with. I have a servant's heart and as I learn, I too will share all I can. I just don't know what to do about these springtails in the house. They make my life miserble.. I have yet to find out how to get rid of them. Thanks again for your loving, caring help. dixie7 "A kind deed no matter how small is ever wasted" Aesops' fables The Lion and the Mouse "Just because we have the right, It is never right to do wrong and it is never wrong to do right"
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Post by jwf on Aug 6, 2007 0:31:14 GMT -5
Hi Bugsy and Dixie7,
'That Kyolic 103 immune formula that jwf posted kicks a$$ for kids.' --- To hear that just makes my day-- week, month.
It's been our opinion that the fermented garlic from Kyolic is potent in fighting Lyme, Candida, and Morgellons. The extras that they put in the 103 and 105 formulas are real icing on the cake. Just a note to let you know that I just got back from a long weekend trip to eastern Tennessee. Stayed in a sound- proofed AmericInn room there and slept wonderfully. I still travel with the menthol sachets (old habit), but there was not one itch the whole trip. Hotel rooms use to drive my buggy... sorry-- but they are a good test of how far along you are with your recovery.
It's always great to hear something that we use works for you folks. I do wish more folks wood give the Seven Forest formulas a try. In spite of all the bad press the Chinese have been getting lately (deserved), they really have something here with these herbal mixtures to combat spirochetes. It's still my belief that about 90% of you have Lyme, and for the most part the medical profession doesn't have a clue about diagnosing and treating it. The ILADS practitioners are the exception.
Some of the herbs that we have used do double duty in fighting both Morgellons and Lyme. Thanks Bugsy for spread- ing the word about what works, and of course if something doesn't work, that's important too. Many folks seem to forget about Cat's Claw--- what can I say? It's the cat's pajamas.
We firmly believe that anyone who gives the herbal healing an honest try will reap positive results. Everything that we have used is available through the 'search' function.
Blue Skies................John
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Post by robertalouise26 on Aug 10, 2007 23:33:14 GMT -5
To Dixie 7 can you please tell me how you cope with the springtails and what affect they have on you. Do they get on you body? Or are they just in the carpert and in your furniture. I have thought for many years that springtails play apart in our discomfort. I would appreciate any first hand knowledge of them. Thank you so much for your post. Very best wishes. Roberta.
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Post by dixie7 on Aug 12, 2007 0:48:51 GMT -5
Hey John, Thanks for sharing your herbal program with me and for sharing your positive motel results on your trip to Tenn. Happy to hear you had no itchies. ;D I am still trying to find the Chinese Herbals. No one in my town that I have contacted seems to have them. I haven't given up yet. John, I have been invited on a full expense paid trip to Honduras with some friends. I have never been out of the USA and I am somewhat afraid to go. Might pick up more bugs, etc. What do you think? Whatever is in my house is still eating me alive despite the cleaning, crystals, sprays, etc. What else can I do? I don't seem to itch as much when I am away from my home. I'm still having trouble finding posts, replys, etc because I'm not computer savy. Would you email me at mgm7@net zero.com? Thanks John, Prayers and Blessings on you and yours Dixie7 "A kind deed is a forever treasure in the heart of the receiver"
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Post by dixie7 on Aug 12, 2007 1:10:46 GMT -5
Robertalouise26 I am not coping very well . I am not even sure they are springtales, but a pest control person once told me that is what I had and another said it was likely mites. They are in my house , and everything in it and yes they bite my feet, legs and then I get a crawly, itchy feeling and have to spray me , and the area I'm in and usually take a soak bath in salt. I cut up and threw out my carpet several years ago and it got some better in my house. I don't sit on anything in my house but a wooden chair that I spray and wipe and then sit on menthol crystals. When I'm typing I can feel crawly itchies on my legs. I keep my clothes and bedding in plastic bags with menthol. I am in mess where I cannot sit down, relax/ read my bible without being eaten by ? It is a "living Hell" I don't allow anyone to come into my house anymore so it is just JESUS and me. Wish I could be more help . I really do. Prayers dixie7 "A kind deed is a forever treasure in the heart of the receiver" To Dixie 7 can you please tell me how you cope with the springtails and what affect they have on you. Do they get on you body? Or are they just in the carpert and in your furniture. I have thought for many years that springtails play apart in our discomfort. I would appreciate any first hand knowledge of them. Thank you so much for your post. Very best wishes. Roberta.
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Post by dixie7 on Aug 12, 2007 1:21:24 GMT -5
to Blue skies... John jwf
John just realized I couldn't find the Chinese herbs because I had them confused with the post after yours. I'll try again. the teasel, bluevervainand NAc along with copper and sulfur and oregano are beginning to help my body Thanks so much John. I am gathering up the other herbs as God provides the means.
Prayers and blessings, dixie7
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Post by robertalouise26 on Aug 12, 2007 3:58:31 GMT -5
Dearest Dixie7 I am thinking my hardest on how to help you. I am bit of a mess myself at the moment. I have just got home from ER. These "things" have given me pleuresy and it flares up from time to time. All they do is give me pain killers and say that I may have cracked ribs as well. It is just soo good to be home and appreciate the small things. Like making a cup of coffee patting the dog and the MAJOR THING talking to YOU!!!! Do you sit on your one chair while you are at the computer? I buy a highly concentrated disenfectant and spray it all over my furniture and kitchen sink, bench hand basin, bath you name it. Now this will not eradicate them dear one but it will cut their LEVELS DOWN. I disenfect the bathroom, laundry and kitchen floors everyday. I wash mine and my dogs plates in boiling hot water. I pour jugs of boiling water into my washing machine with the dirty clothes in it put in highly concentrated soap powder and leave it for at least two hours sometimes over night. I know that I have said it before and I will say it again. These "things" HATE ANYTHING VERY HOT OR VERY COLD. Now I keep my face clothes and a body scrubber in my deep freeze and when the itching gets tooooooo much I take the scrubber out and scrub my skin very harshly. It really isn't very painful but IT DOES HELP!!!!!!!!! I think that you should do a bowel cleanse weekly. I am positive that they breed in the bowel as well a other places on our body. They took blood samples and urine samples at the hospital but won't get the results until they post them to me. I WAS SOOOO VERY VERY TEMPTED TO ASK THEM TO LOOK FOR PARASITES. But knew that they would think I was Looney Tunes and I was only 5 minutes away from the pysch ward AND DIDT WANT TO END UP THERE AGAIN!!!!!!!! I know that Neem and aloe vera products helps as well as vitamin E. The problem being that they are sooooo expensive But if you grow or know anyone who has aloe vera growing pick the biggest thickset leaves slice them open long ways and scrap the gel out into a dish and then rub that well into your skin. It is very very good Dixie7. Epsom salts and Radox in the bath is also very very good and if things are really really bad a litre of bleach in the bath water is excellent. It doesn't damage you skin, is not harmful but soak in it for at least 30 minutes just keep running the hot water so as that you don't get cold. I am just starting to wind down after coming home from hospital. I was sure that they were going to keep me there and operate on my hernias (Thank The Lord) that wasn't the case As there is no place like home. Even tho in affects us. Just to get on the computer, watch TV listen to the radio play a CD. Make tea or coffee when you want and have your dog close by. I had made all arrangements with my daughter on feeding her. Left her food out and her treats left the radio on for her but she was still soooo pleased to have me home. I cann't think of anything more that might help you right at this time. But please please don't hesitate to contact me through this board or email me anytime robbie26@xtra.co.nz Remember we are here to help each other. Much love and God Bless. Roberta.
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