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Salt/C
Nov 8, 2006 17:25:41 GMT -5
Post by farmerjohn on Nov 8, 2006 17:25:41 GMT -5
I'm self diagnosed and suspect mine goes back over ten years. Up until several weeks back I'd had seperate symptoms, ie wrists/hands, thought that was just my age. Then I had a bad spell with my knees, probably an old knee injury playing up I thought, that happened the last few years on the trot. Shoulders and arm tendons, I put that down to work! Then a few weeks all came together and crippled me! I don't trust Doctors and thought I'd lead, (heavy metal poisoning) went through natural de tox, worked for a couple of weeks, improvement then nothing more. My wife and some friends said it looked like Lyme disease, so I researched it, saw the horror stories and thought of all the symptoms I'd really had over the last few years......
Sure looked very much like I'd got it big time, so I've been on 1000mg of C every hour and 1 gram of salt for 12 hours a day for the last eight days. Improvements.
Knees are working again, strength returned to my legs, appetite restored, fingers not as swollen, tendons not so sore. In fact the last couple of days have been the best I've had, hardly any pain. I'm keeping this up until I'm 100% cured!
I just hope my story can help someone else with this terrible disease to gain some relief from pain.
I'll pop back daily to let everyone else know my progress.
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Salt/C
Nov 8, 2006 21:34:24 GMT -5
Post by thndrdancr on Nov 8, 2006 21:34:24 GMT -5
FarmerJohn, So glad you are doing better and glad to hear your story. I just wanted to make sure you know if you are doing salt, make SURE you drink plenty more water, loads and loads of it. K? Take care and hugs Jill
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Salt/C
Nov 9, 2006 7:21:24 GMT -5
Post by farmerjohn on Nov 9, 2006 7:21:24 GMT -5
FarmerJohn, So glad you are doing better and glad to hear your story. I just wanted to make sure you know if you are doing salt, make SURE you drink plenty more water, loads and loads of it. K? Take care and hugs Jill Well over a gallon a day Jill, thanks. I hate the mornings though when I get out of bed, I'm so stiff! I'll be glad when I'm over this.
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Salt/C
Nov 9, 2006 7:33:36 GMT -5
Post by debbie on Nov 9, 2006 7:33:36 GMT -5
Hi Farmer john,
Hey sorry you have to be here buddy... But it is nice to see that you feel your getting results. Personally I have not tried Salt & C although I have read many posts of people who have. For more input on what your going through & what others have gone through with the salt & C, I would advise posting on the Morg or Lyme part of this message board... More people regularly post there.......
wishing you well........ Debbie
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Salt/C
Nov 9, 2006 8:50:14 GMT -5
Post by farmerjohn on Nov 9, 2006 8:50:14 GMT -5
Hi Farmer john, Hey sorry you have to be here buddy... But it is nice to see that you feel your getting results. Personally I have not tried Salt & C although I have read many posts of people who have. For more input on what your going through & what others have gone through with the salt & C, I would advise posting on the Morg or Lyme part of this message board... More people regularly post there....... wishing you well........ Debbie Thanks Debbie. I tried it as the first step, made a lot of sense. Theory is since we reduced our salt intake our bodies have become a breeding ground for parasites, the other half of Lyme disease. I must stress I also take vitamin and mineral suppliments as well, something I've done for years, together with colloidal silver, which I make myself.
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Salt/C
Nov 10, 2006 7:55:40 GMT -5
Post by farmerjohn on Nov 10, 2006 7:55:40 GMT -5
I decided to increase my salt dosage yesterday to double, wow, talk about feeling nausious! I kept it up as long as I could. I feel less stiff this morning, so will continue taking extra salt, plus gallons of water.
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Salt/C
Nov 11, 2006 7:49:32 GMT -5
Post by farmerjohn on Nov 11, 2006 7:49:32 GMT -5
I'm on day 13 of this treatment now. My condition was chronic pain, couldn't get up from a chair without help, total loss of appetite and I had lost a load of weight. Now.... My left knee is almost free of pain, almost total mobility in it, my right knee is still a little stiff with painful "clicks" now again. I can get out of a chair much as I did before being afflicted, I sleep in bed almost without any pain now, which is a relief! My upper body is feeling less stiff and my hands and wrists are improving, albiet very tender. My appetite is returning, and I am putting back "mass" in both legs, probably muscle, as they are tons stronger.
Hope my experience helps others.. God bless you all.
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Salt/C
Nov 13, 2006 7:07:36 GMT -5
Post by farmerjohn on Nov 13, 2006 7:07:36 GMT -5
Well this morning after the stiffness had gone away from my nights sleep, my left hand is almost normal, little swelling, but I almost have use of all the fingers without tendon pain, the right hand is almost the same, but a little stiffer. Overall, I believe the saly/c treatment works and if I'd started four weeks earlier, I'd me almost back to normal right now.
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Salt/C
Nov 13, 2006 8:58:02 GMT -5
Post by questionhair on Nov 13, 2006 8:58:02 GMT -5
When I first started the salt/c there was an increase in energy and well-being. I felt like dancing again.
However, there will be periods of feeling "crappy."
This is a long haul approach to changing your body's ecology and making it unfavorable to this stuff - which seems to thrive on a fungal environment, etc.
Gradually ramping up is the safest method. As I hit the 15 gram salt level recently, I felt a lot of the old aches and pains I used to deal with come back. One of my knees had swelling and would want to "lock up" if I bent it. Joints ached and one day I had a headache and stomach ache until I threw up.
As it says in the pdf file you get from LymeStrategies, as the salt goes deeper into your body, you start to have die off from deeper places.
That's why gradually ramping up is important. You can't let your body have an overload of toxins from the die-off.
So, I am glad to hear that you are feeling better. But, I hope that you won't be disappointed if you start to feel achey or tired again.
Sometimes I would feel good and then just "hit a wall" and have to go take a nap.
There are going to be cycles.
After being so sick with the herxing a few weeks ago, I've taken time off from the salt and c and will resume it again this week. I had a lot going on around here and no one else to do things, so I had to back off to keep functioning. When resuming, I guess I will have to ramp up a bit, but maybe not from the very beginning level.
I am also starting the nutrasilver, and have an arsenal of supplements that I take without a set schedule.
If I were more disciplined, I'd make more progress.
However, I'm certainly not as sick as I used to be, and am getting lots of exercise - I take care of over 20 horses every day - feeding, etc. - plus all the housewife stuff - plus I am starting to work again.
So, I do feel good and able-bodied for the most part.
The gel-hairs seem to be less.
Those "calluses" with the "anchors" that were recently discussed on the Rense program: I used to have those and yes, I too have seen unusual "animal-like" shapes - even to the point of having little red dots where the "eyes" might be on some. However, I no longer get those and perhaps that is due to the anti-candida diet, supplements, etc. to fight off the systemic fungal body ecology.
The salt/c seemed to be the most effective in changing my body - and after being on the anti-candida diet for over a year then starting the salt/c, I felt a tremendous positive change.
Good Luck and I hope you will continue to share your salt/c progress.
QH
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Salt/C
Nov 13, 2006 9:12:27 GMT -5
Post by farmerjohn on Nov 13, 2006 9:12:27 GMT -5
Thanks QH, yes I will share every change as I continue with the salt/C. I too have had days where I feel sick, usually after lunch, I suspect it's the salt. My right knee is causing me some concern at times, I tend to get "knots' in it that are painful until they "click". I assume it's air trapped in the fluids. I've taken sleeping with a pillow under my knees at night as the strain of laying my legs out straight was causing extra stiffness in the morning. Seems to help with the pillow. At present I cannot sleep on my side due to painful shoulders, I hate sleeping on my back.
When you say 15 grams of salt, I would assume over twelve hours??? I'm already at or exceeding that level per day, any more seems to make me nauseous.
I'm pretty lucky in that my wife is doing most of my chores for me, I'm so weak at the moment, have lost no end of weight and just starting to put muscle back on my legs. At the onset, I completly lost my appetite, had no hunger whatsoever, and went three days sometimes without food!! Dangerous I know, my wife was insisting I ate something. I am now starting to get my appetite back, although I'm still eating like a sparrow, I know I must eat more to gain my strength.
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Salt/C
Nov 13, 2006 9:46:35 GMT -5
Post by questionhair on Nov 13, 2006 9:46:35 GMT -5
Thanks QH, yes I will share every change as I continue with the salt/C. I too have had days where I feel sick, usually after lunch, I suspect it's the salt. My right knee is causing me some concern at times, I tend to get "knots' in it that are painful until they "click". I assume it's air trapped in the fluids. I've taken sleeping with a pillow under my knees at night as the strain of laying my legs out straight was causing extra stiffness in the morning. Seems to help with the pillow. At present I cannot sleep on my side due to painful shoulders, I hate sleeping on my back. When you say 15 grams of salt, I would assume over twelve hours??? I'm already at or exceeding that level per day, any more seems to make me nauseous. I'm pretty lucky in that my wife is doing most of my chores for me, I'm so weak at the moment, have lost no end of weight and just starting to put muscle back on my legs. At the onset, I completly lost my appetite, had no hunger whatsoever, and went three days sometimes without food!! Dangerous I know, my wife was insisting I ate something. I am now starting to get my appetite back, although I'm still eating like a sparrow, I know I must eat more to gain my strength. 15 grams salt / 15 1000 mg vitamin C dissolved in a 2.2 liter bottle. (Again, I emphasize - a person doesn't start at this level - this was after some months of ramping up) - I give myself 24 hours to drink this before making the next jug. (My husband is on 3 grams per 24 hour period, just because he isn't consistent with finishing his jug of salt/c water and I'm not moving him up until he gets regular about it) I too am not sleeping well on my shoulders. This latest herx brought out many of my old aches and pains. But, I am also doing a lot of heavy lifting lately - I figure I am shoveling about 1000 lbs of cubes per day with loading up the wheelbarrow, and then taking that out and distributing it among horses. Also, I am feeding about 220 lbs of hay per day, so that's even more carrying and walking around. Most of my aches and pains were in the joints and bones on the right side of my body, but I do notice that I can't sleep on either side, but like you, on my back. I assume that the salt/c reached down to a deeper level and started killing things down there. I have probably set my progress back with my break from the salt/c, but I have to get things done around here. About 2 years ago I had trouble getting up from chairs, too. Couldn't get out of bed without rolling onto the floor, kneeling, and then using the bed to stand up. Coughing so hard that I felt like my lungs were turning inside out. When I couldn't get out of a chair one day and was stranded there until my husband came home, I went to the hospital. I was diagnosed with Valley Fever. However, I feel that Lyme is a factor here. And, that particular HMO will rarely diagnose Lyme as Lyme - according to things I have read the past couple of years. At that time, I too went without food. I was so sick, and the very thought of food was unpleasant. The day I was stranded on the chair, was the 11th day without food. I finally realized I had to call someone to help take care of the animals and my husband took me to the hospital. Of course, I got an IV something, and sent home - only to drive myself for the next few days for more IV stuff. I was prescribed Diflucan (fluconazole), but the rest has been healthy lifestyle changes - on my own. The doctors didn't even mention anything about changing diet, reducing sugar and carbs or talk about systemic fungal infections. I had to find that out on my own. Also, they didn't believe or investigate the Morgellons symptoms. A full body MRI showed "hot spots" where my aches were. The doctor told me that it was arthritis. However, after a while on the anti-candida diet plus supplements, those aches and pains went away. Their recent return is interpreted by me as a response to the deeper level salt/c is reaching. I look forward to reading your progress reports. QH
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Salt/C
Nov 13, 2006 13:24:59 GMT -5
Post by farmerjohn on Nov 13, 2006 13:24:59 GMT -5
Just as an extra, I've taken a dose of pin/round wormer to see if it will help any. Someone on another thread said it did help them to some extent. I'll keep you posted as to my progress.
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Salt/C
Nov 14, 2006 7:17:59 GMT -5
Post by farmerjohn on Nov 14, 2006 7:17:59 GMT -5
I'm still improving, not so stiff this morning, my fingers are not as swollen, nor my hands, although the tendons in all fingers still ache. I'm up as high as I can get with the salt without being sick, around 1.5 grams per hour dissolved in water. I'm exercising to loosen off the tendons in my arms and legs. All in all the treatment is workning for me.
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Salt/C
Nov 14, 2006 15:34:19 GMT -5
Post by farmerjohn on Nov 14, 2006 15:34:19 GMT -5
I think tomorrow I'm going to reduce the C as I'm a little queezy today, at least I'll know whether it's the C or salt thats causing it.
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Salt/C
Nov 14, 2006 15:41:46 GMT -5
Post by questionhair on Nov 14, 2006 15:41:46 GMT -5
You are going way too fast - you should start at a much lower level and just keep ramping up over longer periods of time - weeks or months. Not start with so much the first week and increase.
See same message at Prevenge's salt/c thread.
Maybe it's a guy thing. Rushing.
My husband is on 3 grams - he's been on 3 grams in 2.2 liters of water per day. He's a big guy - over 300 lbs - and I have him on 3 grams.
Put your goal line farther. Much farther. Think one year, two years, three years.
This is about lifestyle changes, not a quick fix, magic bullet, instant cure.
Read the supplement sections and general health sections of this board more often.
QH
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Salt/C
Nov 15, 2006 7:37:29 GMT -5
Post by farmerjohn on Nov 15, 2006 7:37:29 GMT -5
You are going way too fast - you should start at a much lower level and just keep ramping up over longer periods of time - weeks or months. Not start with so much the first week and increase. See same message at Prevenge's salt/c thread. Maybe it's a guy thing. Rushing. My husband is on 3 grams - he's been on 3 grams in 2.2 liters of water per day. He's a big guy - over 300 lbs - and I have him on 3 grams. Put your goal line farther. Much farther. Think one year, two years, three years. This is about lifestyle changes, not a quick fix, magic bullet, instant cure. Read the supplement sections and general health sections of this board more often. QH Whoops I was actually following Joe Bartons ideas QH. Now I'm at high levels I may as well keep it up, been on them now for over two weeks. Years, God I hope not, I don't know how I can keep going if it's going to take that long I knew it was going to be a long haul thing, maybe be months with maintenance course every three or four months. I'm almost ready to get on the exercise bike to build my lost leg muscles back up, I have lost so much weight it's unbelievable. Thanks QH
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Salt/C
Nov 18, 2006 10:12:34 GMT -5
Post by farmerjohn on Nov 18, 2006 10:12:34 GMT -5
After 17 days of salt/C I decided to have a couple of days rest. Will start again tomorrow after two salt free days. Still improving, starting to get use back in my hands, they are still a little swollen and the tendons hurt, but they are a great improvement. My left knee is almost back to it's normal self, right knee is still troublesome. Still having problems with the upper arm tendons and shoulders, but the pain is lessoning daily. i can now lift my right arm and touch the top of my head, some days i can do the same with my left arm. My appetite is still somewaht lacking, but I am getting hungry, just wished I could eat more at a sitting.
On the whole, salt/c was a good choice for me personally.
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Salt/C
Nov 19, 2006 15:55:29 GMT -5
Post by farmerjohn on Nov 19, 2006 15:55:29 GMT -5
Round 2. started back on salt/C this morning, reduced amout, will work back to my upper levels within a couple of days. Still having bad nights in bed though, but I am progressing daily. Starting to gain limited use of both hands, started working out on an exercise bike to get some strength back in my legs and knees. Hopefully this won't be too much of a longhaul to get back where I can use my body again.
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Salt/C
Nov 19, 2006 16:58:38 GMT -5
Post by questionhair on Nov 19, 2006 16:58:38 GMT -5
Round 2. started back on salt/C this morning, reduced amout, will work back to my upper levels within a couple of days. Still having bad nights in bed though, but I am progressing daily. Starting to gain limited use of both hands, started working out on an exercise bike to get some strength back in my legs and knees. Hopefully this won't be too much of a longhaul to get back where I can use my body again. Glad to hear you are starting again. The whole thing is for the long haul, but you should be using your body soon. Just make sure you don't overdo. You are probably on 1/4 tank of energy compared to before. If you feel good and do too much on one day, you'll be wiped out the next day or so. Over time your energy reserves increase. However, you learn the hard way just how little or how much you have. Use too much and you'll pay for it the next day. I hope you are reducing sugar in all forms (plain and disguised) - just remember that this stuff feeds on sugar. Sometimes, though, if I do take in a bit of sugar, I consider it "bait" and make sure the salt follows to go in for the kill. I hope you are on the LymeStrategies Yahoo group too - it is for salt/c discussion. health.groups.yahoo.com/group/lymestrategies/The exercise helped me - I think it helped push the toxins out. Some people say they jump on those little trampolines to get the lymph system going to push bad stuff out. Walks in fresh air, something to take your mind off all this stuff - even meeting an old friend in a coffee shop can help lift your spirits and that's just as important. Make sure to take in probiotics - via acidophillus, plain yogurt, aloe vera (see smoothie recipe in Supplement section for some ideas.) Someone once posted that the salt/c regimen cleans out the bad stuff in the intestines and that it "opens up a lot of real estate" down there, so you want to make sure that any clear areas are filled up with good probiotics. That way, when you eat your food, your body will be able to get the most nutrition possible from it. Wishing you well, QH
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Salt/C
Nov 20, 2006 10:58:39 GMT -5
Post by farmerjohn on Nov 20, 2006 10:58:39 GMT -5
Thanks QH, trampoline!!! I'm still using a walking cane, going to be a while before I'm steady enough for one of those. Both my arms and legs were skin and bones, I lost all fat and loads of muscle tissue with not being able to do anything due to pain. My legs are starting to look better now, knees have a fair amout of muscle once again around them. Exercise is limited to an exercise bike for the moment, and two lightweight barbells for the arms several times a day. I dropped sugar from my diet years ago, except what was in manufactured foods, so no probs there.
I'm determined to beat this crap, I want to be ready for spring, I've lost two months of work on my house, which should have been finished had I not taken so ill. I also will have four very large fields to brush hog come May!
I'll check out the link you gave me. Thanks..
John
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