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Post by lilsissy on May 24, 2008 10:51:32 GMT -5
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Post by fritolay66 on May 24, 2008 16:20:22 GMT -5
Hi Bessie...
I continue to post there because I genuinely like the people of this forum. I am relatively new here and know few people as opposed to the many I know there. Morgellons is mentioned quite often. A lot of us active posters there are Morgellons sufferers. I offered my post from there because it pertains to the discussion here concerning birdmites and the like. I want people to be aware it is not only an external infestation but an internal one as well. I also want that forum aware of the potential for vectoring of viral, bacterial, and other parasitc forms causing disease. It simply isn't "just a mite problem". I absolutely believe there is a connection between mites and other parasitic forms and Morgellon's. I believe it to be more of a result of Morgellons than the cause. Also, that forum is directly responsible for allowing myself to encompass the Morgellons issue in my life. Morgies and mite sufferers have a lot of good info to pass between them. It is the reason I now participate in both even though I am a Morgie.
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Post by bessie on May 24, 2008 18:00:44 GMT -5
Frito - I believe you are right - that the "mite problem" is a result of Morgellons. But I think it MAY work the other way, too - i.e., you have Morgellons, get mites, they get "infected" and then become vectors for others. But what do I know...what does anyone really know? Can anything be more complex? I found my "true diagnosis" there, too. Ignored the word first time I saw it, then when the lesions exploded all over my body, I said WHOA!!! We got more than bugs here! So next time I saw the word, I went right to the MRF website. That was Sept 14, 2007 at 1:57 am. To think, I was happy to find what it was...thinking they'll tell me how to get rid of it...now I have more mystery, confusion, and fear than ever (not ANYONE'S fault, except the perps). Bessie
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Post by liatris on May 24, 2008 20:03:03 GMT -5
Lilsissy - thanks for the links. I am still wondering what "endo" refers to ? In reading the article, I was trying to see if they believe that the life cycle can continue under the human skin like human scabies do - do you know if the researchers were able to find if these mites actually do enter OUR lungs, bloodstream, under our skin - or just bite on people because they are in the environment ? I am really interested in this because it has been the argument of medical and general entomologists that humans cannot be infested like that - they believe we can only be bitten by them cuz they are around in the environment - but they do not go subcutaneously under the skin or into the body in any way. If you have any ideas about the above, I would love to hear it. Thank you.
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Post by curlypainter on May 24, 2008 20:10:38 GMT -5
Bessie Sept 14,2007 was my birthday!
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Post by robertalouise26 on May 24, 2008 21:28:23 GMT -5
Dearest Liatris beyound a shadow of doubt I honestly believe that these "things" live and breed under our skin. What I cann't understand is that they don't show up in blood tests. I have never had a blood test for parasites hae asked and asked but it fell on deaf ears. Remember I am meant to be DOP!!! So why should they waste their time. Hope all is well with you. Much much love and hugs. Robbie
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Post by liatris on May 24, 2008 22:02:34 GMT -5
Dearest Liatris beyound a shadow of doubt I honestly believe that these "things" live and breed under our skin. What I cann't understand is that they don't show up in blood tests. I have never had a blood test for parasites hae asked and asked but it fell on deaf ears. Remember I am meant to be DOP!!! So why should they waste their time. Hope all is well with you. Much much love and hugs. Robbie ROberta - I have no doubt about the fact that these things breed under our skin - my question is about if BIRD or RODENT MITES (if they are not human scabie mites) - if the researchers are thinking that those types of mites are breeding under our skin. Cuz if they are thinking that now- they have learned something new that they said could not happen previously. BUT we do not know exactly what all we have ! Probalby we all have tons of different things infesting us - and, yes, under our skin ! Worms, insects, etc . Roberta - the reason they do not find many things in the blood is because certain lighting (certain microscopes) are needed to even begin to see certain things. They also may need certain stains to show them up. Dark field microscopes - hardly used show all sorts of things (including parasites) that are not seen with ordinary microscopes !!!! I am speaking from experience on that, trust me. "Modern Medicine" is very very primitive - that is why they do not see things in the blood. MUCH LOVE to YOU !
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Post by bessie on May 24, 2008 22:18:30 GMT -5
Curly - A day in infamy... Bessie
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Post by robertalouise26 on May 24, 2008 22:25:01 GMT -5
Dearest Liatris I know there is the violet light that finds ringworm what about an electronic microscope would that work? but then who are we to go to to have it done. Since the Doctor and the Vet WONT BELIEVE ME!!! I know that we all are at our wits end to get to the bottom of this. i JUST KNOW IATRIS THAT WE HAVE MORE THAN ONE THING INVADING OUR BODIES. Sorry for the caps. I am tired I have just finished bathing Kyra and the things that came out of her was amazing, and then when I took her for a walk I saw these have dead insect like things trying to escape her coat but they were at least half dead. i bathed her with an antibacterial shampoo and then rinsed her with concentrated disenfectant rubbed it into her coat and left it on for one hour, then I put her back in the bath and rinsed that off. Lord only knows what Kyra has breeding in her coat. She is a very clean dog and i inspect her coat like a hawk! Looking for foreign bodies. I hope that you are having a good weekend. Much love as always. Robbie
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Post by bessie on May 24, 2008 22:32:18 GMT -5
liatris - If you go to the Birdmites.org site and click on research, you will find 3 studies out of China where mites were found in the intestinal content of people in that country. These were people who had been diagnosed with DOP. Guys, there are all kinds of things in and on us. They are in every organ, including skin, and in our blood. I know red and blue fibers have been seen in urine (microscopically). I truly believe the ORIGIN is nanoparticles, which are sub-atomic in size and can't be seen with ordinary high powered microscopes. Contained in these particles are the instructions for growing all these other, visible things. Do you ever feel like you just want to scream at the top of your lungs??? Why isn't this on the front page of every newspaper in the world??? I turn on the news, see stories about Brittny Spears and the like, and I say to God - "WHAT IS GOING ON, LORD? HOW CAN IT BE LIKE THIS??" I can only trust that He is going to handle this in His own way and own time. Bessie
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Post by lilsissy on May 24, 2008 22:35:11 GMT -5
Liatris, I understand this to be a new adaptation for this mite and it now lives within. here is the Dictionary reference to ENDO
endo– or end– pref. Inside; within: endometrium.
[Greek, from endon, within.]
Possibly though the deer have weakened immune systems that allow this but to tell you the truth I really don't know that much about mite behavior. You seem to know more than I about this.
I believe that we have all sorts of parasites that are common to humans but the normal human body kills off or expels these parasites. With us our immune systems are burnt out and these critters have found an inner home. My skin used to bother me more years ago now they seem to have migrated to the core of my body and are showing up as infiltrations on chest x-rays . I have alot of myofascular pain but I am going to try enzymes. I think godsgrace may be right on with that one. In February the Doctor thought I had Pulmonary Fibrosis which is a 1-5 year survival, well in reading about P.F. I found that enzymes help. Turns out I have polyps on my vocal cords and I am a little frightened to have the surgery and biopsy after my sisters experience . They told her by biopsy she had thyroid cancer and after surgery the pathology on the removed thyroid showed abnormal fiber growth not cancer. The Doctor tried to hide that fact from her .
Chaos,my sister and I fit very much the symptoms of HTLV HAM. Godsgrace believe this is from mycoplasma originally. Maybe ,I do think Enzymes will help I am going to order some.
HTLV , just do a wiki search and follow the links. It cause's the body to be home to worms and Lyme's . I believe the kind that is Morgellons is the Mylopathy TYPE the other is Leukemia which is different.
I know the association to AIDS is almost to terrible to think about but if this is what we have this is what we have and we better face it to treat it.
I have been wondering about the Strongy (forgot how to spell it) Worms lately. The wiki article says that we get them by walking barefoot in the soil but a healthy person's immune system kicks them out. I can not find a article to support this theory but I wonder if they them selfs could be carrying HTLV?
I recently had skin allergy tests and I was allergic to every thing they tested me for. I asked the lady who tested me what could cause this and she said a bad mite infection. HTLV will lower allergy responses unless you also have a co-infection with worms which causes a body to have severe allergies . HTLV also cause the over formation of lipofuscin which is brown yellow granules produced when the body attempts to remove parasites and toxins . Lipofuscin is a plague build up in the brain of Alzheimer's. Enzymes help to break this down. Blessings, Lilsissy
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Post by bannanny on May 24, 2008 23:01:38 GMT -5
When I first came down with morgs, I was re-thinking everything I'd been exposed to that might have caused what was going on with me (didn't know about morgs yet.) Two things were bird related.......
the first being I had a birds nest in the eaves of my front porch. There was one cracked egg that was left behind. So I removed the egg along with the nest and I handled it without gloves too.
The second was I built a home for a pidgeon I took in cuz he couldn't fly well. I made a cover with some straw for him to sleep on and fed and watered him every day. I would climb up and clean the poop out with the hose whenever he was gone (after he was back to flying again.) He'd come back every night tho and he stayed around for quite awhile. Then one day he came back from his outings with more of his pidgeon friends. Must've told them there was this place on the hill where you could get all the free bird seed and water you'd ever want! Then one day, they never returned (not to stay anyway.) I don't hardly ever see any pidgeons around anymore tho.
I'm also in the country....... tons of mice, rabbits, squirrels, gophers, snakes, owls, birds & ravens and coyotes. But I've sadly noticed that the numbers of all of them are becoming far and few between these days. It breaks my heart when I look out and watch the bunnies scratching themselves like I never saw them scratch before. It really makes my heart hurt.
hugs ~~ bannanny
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Post by robertalouise26 on May 25, 2008 1:11:46 GMT -5
Dearest Bannanny I know how you feel watching the bunnies scratch they too have mites. i have been thinking of how you can help them and all I can think of is cutting carrots into thick pieces and inserting a clove of garlic in each piece of carrot. You will need lots of carrots and lots of garlic if you can afford it. It would break my heart to see what you are observing. If you can afford it I hope that it works. I really do think that it will help the rabbits. Love and hugs. Roberta.
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Post by liatris on May 25, 2008 1:25:04 GMT -5
Bessie - Thank you.
Lilsissy -
Thank you for the explanations.
Just one more question - I know that enzymes that are meant to do things systemically (not just in the GI tract) are usually taken on an empty stomach and they are enteric coated to avoid being destroyed by stomach acid before they are able to get into the blood stream. It is thought that that type of enzyme is capable of breaking down immune complexes within the blood - but not to make it to the brain for example - especially with the blood brain barrier.
I am very interested in anything that could help ALzheimer's so I am wondering about what enzymes are supposed to be able to make it to the blood and then into the brain and break down lipofuscin. Is this theory at this point or has someone actually done some studies that show this to be the case ? I think the only way to test it would be to either sacrifice an animal that had been treated and compare it with controls that had not or just test animals that had been treated when they died.
Thank you, again.
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Post by godsgrace on May 25, 2008 8:52:39 GMT -5
liatris.. aluminum paases the blood-brain barrier and causes Alzheimer's symptoms.
Omega 3 fatty acids help the brain push the aluminum from the brain out into the hair.
There is alot of aluminum being sprayed from the chemtrails.
One doc was doing alot of hair samples and found very high aluminum content in the people tested.
Alzheimers is also mycoplasma at work!
take care
godsgrace
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Post by ANTHILL on May 25, 2008 10:30:46 GMT -5
When I came down with this I was doing a remodel on my parents before the 1900s farm house At he time I was staying in a cab over camper parked in a four bay tractor shed behind the main house that was vary dusty sparrows and starlings nested in the rafters and the eves and there was bird poop all over everything in the shed I had a cat and raccoons and skunks would visit the cat food dish at night since I have not been able to Identify what is getting me bird mites still remain under suspicion given the environment that I was living in at the time bald morgy alien driving a 1946 jondeere A into the shed picture taken by Carrie [
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Post by lilsissy on May 25, 2008 10:43:45 GMT -5
Liatris, There are various substances that help open the blood brain barrier when taken together may produce a positive result.
I have been interested in this also. I read the other day the most effective at this is Ephedrine but vitamin C also helps.
I once tried voacanga africana seeds which also open the blood brain barrier,kill leshiman parasites and remove calcium blockages from the brain as well as aid in conserving D.N.A.
I tried them as a experiment . I ordered them for my ex who had a cocaine problem. They contain 10% Ibogaine. I had not experienced such mental clarity and calmness ever. Almost total recall ability.
When the seeds age however (become dark) they just give you a slight headache. They are only legal to order to plant in your garden.
I found an article that was very interesting last night about Enzymes in fermented milk. I bought some Kefir last week from Meijer's . It tasted very good. Any hoo , will post this article later , having diffuculty bringing it up. Blessings, lilsissy
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Post by lilsissy on May 25, 2008 11:34:09 GMT -5
I am having a terrible time retrieving that article, so for now I will give you a brief synopsis, It explained a patent by the Japanese regarding the use of fermented milk which showed it improved spastisity of the legs in persons with HTLV. Here is another article which shows you some history on this subject but I do not know if I would trust this genetically altered type??? This brings to my mind the genetic and stress factors that may be coming into play with us. The bowel I have heard it said is 90% of our immune function. Did you ever get into a real threating state and have to suddenly have a bowel movement. I read of an experiment with mice some time ago where they fed corn to mice and tested their IGE immune responses to corn. Well none of the mice in the test where showing a reaction to corn, then they split the group in half . They stressed half the mice by making them swim for their little lives and re-tested both groups. The stressed group had lost the lining to their colons and where producing now diarrhea. The stressed group were now allergic to corn. Here is a different article , I am not sure about this genetically engineered type though but it gives a good history on these important Enzymes. tinyurl.com/59uk2mLilsissy
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Post by lilsissy on May 25, 2008 12:16:13 GMT -5
This is very interesting, S87 Vaginal Lactobacilli for Mucosal Delivery of the Anti-HIV Microbicide, Cyanovirin-N (CV-N) Qiang Xu1, Laurel Lagenaur1, Xiaowen Liu1, David Simpson1, Kirsten Essenmacher1, Courtney Parker1, Chia-Hwa Chang1, Daniel Tsai1, Srinivas Rao2, Dean Hamer3, Thomas Parks1 and Peter Lee1 1Osel, Inc., 1800 Wyatt Dr., Ste. 14, Santa Clara, CA 95054 USA 2Laboratory Animal Medicine, VRC, NIH, Bethesda, MD 20892 USA 3National Cancer Institute, NIH, Bethesda, MD 20892 USA E-mail: qxu@oselinc.com Retrovirology 2005, 2(Suppl 1):S87 Background: Women are particularly at risk of HIV infection and there is an urgent need for female-controlled approaches to block the heterosexual transmission of HIV. Material and Methods: Our work is aimed at the development of a simple, cost-effective, female-controlled preventative against heterosexual transmission of HIV in women, based on our previous proof-of-concept study employing a natural component of the vaginal microflora, as a delivery vehicle for the anti-HIV protein (PNAS, 2003, 100:11672-11677). Results: A human vaginal isolate of Lactobacillus jensenii was engineered, by stable integration of an optimized expression cassette into the bacterial genome, to secrete high levels of the highly potent HIV inhibitor, CV-N. The L. jensenii-expressed Retrovirology 2005, 2(Suppl 1) www.retrovirology.com/supplements/2/S1Page 17 of 73 (page number not for citation purposes) CV-N dramatically decreases infectivity of CCR5-tropic HIVBaL and CXCR4-tropic HIVIIIB in vitro. We further demonstrate that this strain is genetically stable and can transiently colonize animal vaginal mucosa, while retaining important characteristics of the native bacterial phenotype. Conclusion: This live microbicide represents a novel approach in the development of an inexpensive and stable protein-based microbicide to curtail the HIV/AIDS pandemic From here,http://www.biomedcentral.com/content/files/pdf/1742-4690-2-s1-full.pdf www.biomedcentral.com/content/files/pdf/1742-4690-2-s1-full.pdfLilsissy
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Post by lilsissy on May 25, 2008 12:47:27 GMT -5
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