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Post by freaky on Jul 3, 2011 3:17:44 GMT -5
Oh, y'all, thanks for writing, & all your suggestions. I'm going to bed now. Last night was hideous.Did I already write that, but today I haven't had an attack since this morning. We got in late. Bill decided I needed to move around so we went to look at furniture, & rugs. We're doing a new do. I was fine, so I'm glad I'm on my way up. What do you mean Tony, a glass, or plastic bow I'll never use again? My bottom is peach pink, & very clean unless I'm having an attack. Hope I can write tomorrow, but if we do family, might not, but thanks for all the suggestions. You have been so great, & I don't feel better , but the pain attacks are goine, and that was the worst. I can just tell when my puter is about to delete everything I wrote. Giant hugs, & dead bugs Oh, I found a bug, most likely columbola. I'm becoming more advanced. Where's skizit? sssssssssskkkkiiizzzzzzzzzzzzzittttt, where are you?
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Post by freaky on Jul 3, 2011 3:07:10 GMT -5
Oh kam, you freakydeaky. Were OK here in Austin. Looks like my puter is starting to flip out. I'm probably going to have to write tomorrow. I appreciate your concern. NTWorry, I'm just happy Obama (Please excuse you liberal, Obama lovers)( not you kam, don't know what you are, & don't care, as Long as I don't know) (I'm not a republican, so quit your mumbling) (not directed toward you kam) just happy he went for a little swim, & acted so cocky when he did. He get his. Excuse me for dragging in politics. Not the time or place for that, that's for sure. So what were we talking about. Tomorrow. Talk to you tomorrow. All is good. '
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Post by freaky on Jul 2, 2011 2:05:12 GMT -5
nanners, & skizit, & kam, I lovs U guys, but nanners, or was it skizit says I need my beauty sleep so I have to sign off. Smackers
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Post by freaky on Jul 2, 2011 1:16:26 GMT -5
Ah, did you see that commercial for the Heartguard on the 1st page? It was so cute. This little girl is holding a little puppy whose licking her, and its tongue is going back, & forth.
I sat her for 2 minutes, & started falling asleep.
Therefore I'll just get right to the point.
HELP ME PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It's truly pathetic of me not to know the solution to my PAIN PROBLEM, but maybe I'm in too much pain to be thinking right now. I just don't know what to do, although I bet a couple of you have had this happen, certainly so.
If I already told you this, this is just a review. This is an all over body nightmare, but I'll just narrow it down to my knees to simplify things. Dang though, my arms are killing me, and my back. Remember I said it was caused by morg build-up, plus the white gook? There seems to be so much of this stuff that it makes the skin hang down, firstly stretching my skin to accommodate the large morgs. It's like when a morg rises to the surface on your face, and it burns with pain until you get it out. Can anyone relate?
It seems that there are so many morgs, one lying on top of the other, that when I'm lying down, my bones, and muscles squish the morgs, and cause the worst pain, I can barely take it. I'm afraid this is so bizarre that y'all can barely believe me. Not being scientific about this is embarrassing, but explaining why I am in intense horrible hideous pain is up the scientist's alley. One good thing is my husband remembered , he had bought a machine that blows air up his nose to help him not snore so bad. l found this fresh air mask to be of some value, plus more pain pills,, but it's still not enough relief. This is so bad, I've even screamed walking up the stairs, or when I move my leg wrong in the shower, etc. If I don't post this now, it's going to disappear.
Big hugs, freaky
If I was confusing, What will stop the pain? My knees are swollen, and all full of lumps. I put milk, & flour on them, & out came the white, & wormy stuff that's in my face.
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Post by freaky on Jun 30, 2011 15:27:49 GMT -5
ok, I'm going to call my doc right now. What a run around. I'd write but I'm having a big narcolepsy attack. Thanks so much for the info.
HUGS +Smackers
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Post by freaky on Jun 29, 2011 15:29:33 GMT -5
I got the same white worms and gook out of my legs last night when I took my shower. I have them all over my body. I'm writing my dr. to tell her this in my plea for oxygen. They don't like too much oxygen. My doc is very open. There isn't any reason I should not write her, & tell her what happened should I? I'm not thinking well, as I was up most of the night with this new discovery. It seems like my pulling the worms out will be sensational, & was wondering if you'll knew someone in Austin who may want to record me doing this, for a documentary, or a horror flick.
Thanks for any input, freaky
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Post by freaky on Jun 29, 2011 2:19:15 GMT -5
Oh no. I just spent the last hour writing to you guys, and hit alt + S, got the lymebuster chat, post message, clicked on that, & my post was posted, so I thought. It's gone, not there, & way past my bed time, although I'm not confused, just hungry.
My life, or luck, seems to reek at times.
Well for now, I'll just say, I continue to have parasite overload, but believe I can fix it with the iver, fenben, and albendazole, MAYBE. I've slept since Sunday, & woke up today at 2:30. I think I'll be OK. Asked my other doc for oxygen, & she didn't call back today.
pdidit, I'm so sorry to hear what you went through. That is horrifying. Bless your heart you sweetie pie.
Thanks skizit for your discussion on parasites, fibers, & cigarettes. Just wondering, do chopped up parasites make brand new parasites with no scar tissue? I know the answer to that. Nevermind.
kam, thanks so much for trying to help. Now that you discussed it I realized there's no way I can stop picking. People tell me to quit, & it always sounds like a good idea. In fact, didn't I say never again above. haha no way. What was I thinking? I wasn't. You made me remember kam, the pain is too horrible at some point, & you can't take it. You have to attempt to get them out.
I don't know if I'm herxing. I don't think so. That's a good thing isn't it? Doesn't it mean you did something right, but maybe too fast? I think they just got all jumbled up in my knees, forming lumps. Previously, i THINK They were in orderly lines with each parasite holding another in it's mouth. I think the steroids made them freak, let go of the parasite in it's mouth, consequently breaking the line, turned backwards, upside down, kind of like bumper cars, only instead of driving on a flat surface, with so many there were major collisions, causing them to pile high on top of each other randomly, rather than orderly, thus causing the lumps on the backs of my legs. Deformed knees on the front - I'm sure they will get back to normal. Tonight though, I have an extra little pain in both of my kidneys. Can't relate to that, or say much. That above was the longest sentence I've ever written. ha ha I'm sorry, I just realized I didn't even take a shower today, & it's so late. I'm doing the kam special tomorrow though, so I have high hopes. I do feel it wouldn't be so bad cuddling up under the wings of a big, angelic hen, that smelled good, & didn't say squaaok, right now. I'll write tomorrow. I don't think I have COPD. I believe they didn't have what it took to give me a valid observation. It's just parasite overload.
Much love, & thanks, freaky
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Post by freaky on Jun 28, 2011 21:28:48 GMT -5
Far out skizit. You're like totally heavy.
As for healing myself though, I think I may necessitate extra large, multiple brain hammers.
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Post by freaky on Jun 27, 2011 3:49:05 GMT -5
pdidit, just wanted to say a word or two before I crash. You've saved my life literally, well, I think. I'm not dead yet, but as miserable as I can be. The video, & the site you sent me to was the info. I needed, & what they talked about was as though they were talking to me. What they talked about has happened to me.
That's what I thought. What I think is that the 10 days of steroids has really screwed me. I can't take them anymore. Bill is so on my back. He can be the biggest, fricken, two faced creep about morgellons. I said I'd take it till it was gone, but I can't bend my knees. It's killing me to walk upstairs, & downstairs, & just walk. My knees don't match. There's extra mounds of skin, & a thing that sticks out about 2 X 4"wide. I can only think it's globs of parasites. What else could it be? On the back of my knees it feels like golf balls swollen under my skin. Boy am I bitchen. In short it's just like I was in a major car wreck, & I damaged my two knee caps. My neck is sore, & funky too, too funky. Somethings happening to me. I'm cleaning my house, but it's time for bed, because I have to get up, & call the stupid dr. because they didn't call me to give me the name of the dr. I'm supposed to call, And he better see me tomorrow. Oh, I'm being nasty. I'm sorry. Bill isn't allowed to be on the opposition side of morgellons. I won't tolerate it. I know he's got to be doing it to prick me. He's not that stupid.....or is he?
He's pretty dom stupid to take the drs. side, which he usually does. From the video, I now know for sure, (well, at least I think so) that the morgs are in my back making way to my head to give me brain damage. I can't hardly walk because the morgs are playing havoc with my immune dysfunction, and are presently trying to destroy me. They talked about humaworm which is what I took in the very beginning that was so fantastic, but I had brain fog so bad, I waited too long to reorder, & forgot the name. The site you recommended has excellent suggestions how to rid yourself of this mess, so while my insides are being eaten up, I can look foreward to getting the stuff i need to KILL the suckers.
Without this knowlege, Bill perhaps would have convinced me to continue with the steroids, & maybe even killed me. Unbelievable they can do this in such sort time (the steroids), & awesome news how the morgs go at the lungs first. I have much family I will enjoy laughing back in their face.
Only time will tell if I have enough time to recover before I croak from this, as it's so bad, & I don't think I'll get much help from a dr. although I will try, especially to be tested for fungus, & mold to get it out of my arms, & neck.I'm so embarrassed wearing short sleeve shirts. No one believes me in my family. It's really late again, so I hope this makes sense, & I have a super headache, & neckache. I'm going to go look for my vicks, (fat chance).They're running up my chest big time to get to my neck. They are so fast.
Oh do I love you for your help, & the other suggestions you had. And yes, I'm not too far gone yet to quit picking my face. I'm afraid it may be scarred already , but the morgs have a healing quality to them which, has gotten me thru till now, but no more. The pigment is changing, so I must quit, although that will be rough with so many worms in my face. I say worms, but I'm not sure, they just act like worms. I've had various worm friends throughout life. I had a major fight with them last night, & Id say they won. It kept me up until 4, & I said "no more."
Well, huge smackers, & love for enlightening me, & I'm sure my hub will be just as grateful. haha
THANK YOU SWEETIE PIE. I AM SO GRATEFUL. Others probably told me the same, but your references sunk in.
Smackers, & giant hugs, freakydeaky
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Post by freaky on Jun 25, 2011 1:50:54 GMT -5
tony, & justhanginin, thanks for taking the time to answer my question on the steroids.
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Post by freaky on Jun 25, 2011 1:31:45 GMT -5
Hey itchin, I'm confused about CCF. Did you mean CFIDS? You got quite a Grandmother. My parents are both 92, and since all their friends have gone, & passed, they're pretty much ready to do the same. Your Grandma sounds like a spunky gal.
18 months is a really long time. Bless your heart. Was the buffalo hump based solely on the steroids, or did lack of estrogen have anything to do with it as well? Was that a permanent side effect? I'm so sorry if it was. I was over menaupause long ago, in fact I've been so sick, I never knew I was going through it. I used to study that too, but now I know nothing. I don't know if I should be on hormone replacement (herbal), or what. I just want to avoid the broken bones, hip replacements, etc. that we're all going to get if we don't acknowledge we need to pay attention to preventing it. I just wish I could have a face lift, a boob job, and the desire to jump in bed, & scream my head off, but I'm not thinking that's a possibility anymore. It's not, is is?
Went to the doc today, & he wouldn't give me any oxygen until I go have the pulmonary tests, and it's documented how little I have. the same dr is also an allergist I think, so maybe they could check my mold/ fungal counts, I wonder if that's possible. Not real excited to have them tell me there's nothing they can do. Maybe I'll just repeat, "All is good while" I do my deep breathing, & I'll become enlightened. I had to steal my daughter's nanny from her babies. I get her once a week to help me clean up the mess I made the previous week. Every single thing in my life is related to my oxygen depletion, and it's been a real trip to discover this. The fatigue, narcolepsy, loss of memory, inability to sort things, or arrange them, or pack to go on a trip, or unpack when I get back, or make an appointment on time, I've totally lost myself, & I'm not at all the person I was 7 years ago. I'm just a used to be artist, & now the only art work I do is re-arrange the worm like creatures on my face, & neck. I apologize for being depressing. At least I'm doing that well, but it's not really what you all need right now. I did get my records, & will check back in if I see anything of interest.
Much love to you itchen, & all u guys. Appreciate, & love you all.
Sorry if I should have written much of this on other threads. I'm just behind. xoxoxox
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Post by freaky on Jun 25, 2011 0:38:17 GMT -5
justhanginin, I wrote some of my response to you on lynn's post. I asked her to give you the paragraph. I was agreeing with you on alternative medicine, but after thinking about it a little more, that was a little hypocritical as I couldn't do without my drugs, especially my pain pills, & sleeping pills. As for Clonazepam, I'm just plain addicted to it. And, right now I can't find a dr. who will prescribe pain pills to me for FMS, & that is a necessity. I don't think any tincture would be comparable, but I certainly respect your opinion, and wish I thought the way you did. FMS is becoming a profitable, political disease rather than one based on fact.
That's so sad about your friend, but terrific about your osteo diag. Would you mind telling me exactly what you took, and how much? Calcium tablets don't assimilate well in your body, & having strong bones seems to be something you can control. I'm amazed you did. That's most admirable. Please let me know if you've posted this info. already, and I'll go there, & look it up.
It seems that if you quit smoking after smoking all your life like I have, that it has a great effect on your body in that it doesn't get what it thinks it needs anymore. The info. I read on COPD said it may not help at all, and they've done test studies that inferred the same. It's weird that so many of us smoke. It makes me happy though because it lessens the guilt trip the non-smokers put on you. I appreciate support for my bad habit by all the addicted morgies, not that I don't wish we could all quit without grief, and become healthy.
Big hugs, & much love~~me
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Post by freaky on Jun 24, 2011 22:38:49 GMT -5
That's unbelievable. Wonder how much a carton would cost. We brought home about 10 cartons from St. Martin. One guy was selling them for $7. We didn't have time to find him, so we ended up paying $15.
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Post by freaky on Jun 24, 2011 20:42:10 GMT -5
torpedo, what a woman. You go girl. I love the smell of pipes. You certainly have been through hell, & back. I'm glad you made it, and sorry you had to suffer so. Although I take my fair share of drugs, I believe. & prefer alternative medicine, & used to study it all the time a while back. I even went so far as finding a shrink I went to because I didn't have anyone to talk to about my research, & he would. That had to be in the olden days. Oh, that was re:drugs, but anyway, you don't have to convince me. Oh whoops, I'm so sorry. The last part of this paragraph was meant for justhanginin who was trying to make the case for alternative medicine with me. I just got confused, so starting with the word although written above, will you please just give the rest of that paragraph that to her? I just love being a ding bat, it's so refreshing. haha
I did try the cayenne once. You do have an iron stomach, and I really feel for you having to go through that. What an ordeal, & especially with a new baby, too. The cayenne corrupted my stomach, but it really has a lot of good things it does, especially bringing you back to life. I have oxygenated tablets called Opaline, Dry Oxy. I think that may be a scam, or else mine are made by a bad company, but I'm not positive on that. Thanks for your Co Q 10 tip. I'll start that for sure. That was an intense story. Your dad will pay when he, or if he has gotten to the pearly gates. Stay well, & thanks for writing, freaky
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Post by freaky on Jun 24, 2011 20:16:03 GMT -5
Hey kam. Ya know, you're an absolutely amazing writer. I knew that, but I guess I forgot. I'm shocked at how scattered my post was I wrote, but hopefully it's just because I'm under the weather right now. LOL. Just forgot exactly what all you said though, so I'll try, & write later.
But, ha ha, I agree they have tinkered around with our cigarettes a little too much. You have some great ideas. They cost $48 a carton here, and in TX, they really screwed them up so us people who need the government to hold our hands as we go through life, made it so you have to keep lighting up. That's so we won't start so many forest fires. They just continually go out.
Thanks for looking for me. I'm here now.
Love ya, freaky
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Post by freaky on Jun 23, 2011 21:52:28 GMT -5
Tony, thank you for your sympathy. I'm feeling sorry for myself right now. Parts of this are all scrambled. Seems like every dr. gave me a different diagnosis. I still am thinking my lungs are full of fungus/mold. They decided I had ashma? when they listened to my chest. That I know is the morgs in my throat, & everywhere else clanging together. The hospital cost $1,000 a night. Guess that's why I'm not in the hospital today. I think, or hope I get my oxygen mask tomorrow. I'm hoping the morgs won't take a fancy to that, will they?
Hum, wrote this this morning, & I forgot to send it. I just saw it on the other page.
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Post by freaky on Jun 23, 2011 13:20:44 GMT -5
Thanks lynn, especially for your prayer. Not to worry. The cancer was determined not to exist. It's probably a big morg snoozen in my lung.
Please excuse my post. It doesn't make all that much sence, not exactly what I wanted to say, and spellcheck didn't work.
I'm doubtful of their diagnosis.
Can someone please explain why the steroids are bad, even though I think that was the only thing to revive me then?
Does anyone know how I get oxygen back in my lungs? or is that just by using the mask?
Love ya lynn, freaky
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Post by freaky on Jun 23, 2011 4:15:01 GMT -5
Hi Guys,
Last Thursday was D Day, but life is funny like that, as here I am writing you. Sorry not to have written when I got back, but actually I feel just the same. It's hard to write when you haven't got a brain.
Another freaky story ~~hopefully a short one, but you know me.
Fortunately, for me, I've had a wake up call. That is, ask for help when you need it. There are some good, kind, people in the medical establishment, & I'm not just saying that because my dr. was way cute. Of course they are far, and few between, but they are running the show. This is the 2nd time I almost died because I was too resentful, and angry to get help, afraid to be humiliated again. It seems like I've been this way forever, health wise. I always feel like garbage, and never have a good day with any energy, unless I'm dancing, & totally forget how sick I am.
Thursday, , climbing up, and down the stair case became a challenge. I must have looked a little more listless, maybe my babble was starting to confuse Mr. Bill, my hub, because he had the foresight to take me to an emergency clinic. Within five minutes I was surrounded by all these people, and two drs, and they had called an ambulance to take me to the emergency at the hospital. Meanwhile I was being pumped up with steroids, & oxygen because I had almost quit breathing.
When I got to the hospital (emergency) I waited till 2:30PM, and I was finally admitted. They gave me more steroids, & oxygen, and I met the dr. the next day. He said I had to have a C-scan, because the X-ray didn't show enough. He then returned that afternoon to tell me I had a fifty/fifty chance of having cancer, but would let me know after they read the C-scan the next day, or the following Monday. He also said I had azama, ashma??duh (sp), and said that was a lifetime thing. I argued , and said mine went away when I was 6 when I had my tonsils out. Chronic bronchitis, & probably, of course, emphysema, was topped off with chronic obstructive pulmonary disease. Lung damage and inflammation in the large airways results in chronic bronchitis. It is defined in clinical terms as a cough with sputum production on most days for 3 months of a year, for 2 consecutive years. This has been going on for me for 7, but I found it questionable no one asked me about the giant long parasites I keep coughing up, and they just wanted to know the color of sputum, which was white.
Lung damage and inflammation of the air sacs (alveoli) results in emphysema. Emphysema is defined as enlargement of the air spaces distal to the terminal bronchioles, with destruction of their walls. The destruction of air space walls reduces the surface area available for the exchange of oxygen and carbon dioxide during breathing. It also reduces the elasticity of the lung itself which results in a loss of support for the airways that are embedded in the lung. These airways are more likely to collapse causing further limitation to airflow.
Of course cigarette smoking is the culprit for everything, & as I do smoke, I am guilty, although I've never had a smokers cough.-except the day I left for the emergency clinic. I could feel the damage to my lungs, but seemed more so to my heart when I started coughing.The effect of occupational pollutants on the lungs appears to be substantially less important than the effect of cigarette smoking.
Of course I can't rule out smoking, but I do snort a lot of detol by accident, cleaning my bathtub, & not thinking much about it. My brain started working slightly better while I was at the hospital. I had lots of oxygen treatments by an excellent pulmonary person. Before I left the dr. came in, & said good news. You don't have the big C, it was a piece of scar tissue. Hum. I asked for my records, which the nurse brought in, but accidentaly got mixed with my signed papers, and took back with her, as I don't have them. Somehow I recall, but am not sure that I had 5% oxygen in my body, but I may not recall. It was bad.
It seems I could go on, & on, but I have to get my beauty sleep. I have a lot of questions. I want to get better, but am real confused how. I'm going to the dr. (general) to try to get some oxygen to take home. I mentioned something about mold, & the nurse said that's not it. I replied, oh no, when I got home I worked on my face, & neck, & got a cup of mold out of my face, & neck. I've been killing the suckers with frankensence, & DMSO, just leaving it on all night, & picking them out the nexzt day.
This is so confusing. The dr. let me off for Father's Day, what a doll, but said to come check back in if I didn't feel any better. They sent me home with more steroids, giant snooker pills, & a ventilator. My legs hurt bad. I believe this to be from excessive mold I can tell has reached great porportions in my body. My back is hideous, my arms are worse, my neck hangs down, and I can see well the worms on my face piled up on top of each other. Because I'm not well at all, & my fear of telling them at the hospital I was full of mold?, I fear if I can't get better? Is there really nothing to reduce the mold in your body? I am so tired of living like a vegetable, but enjoyed all the nurses, & the attention, and hope, I was given over not much, because In my heart, they were doing the wrong thing, although I had my mouth zippered. I am still ticking though, wearing the patch still, & smoking Indian cigarettes. I am considering quitting until I start to gain weight. I am a little vain. Thing is, we grow up, & I partied hard till I was 50. It's been easy to not smoke like I was before. I was once a determined, strong person. If anyone tells me to quit smoking, my feathers get tied up in knots. After 50 though, you do start going down back to that baby phase of your life where people have to take care of you if you don't take care of yourself. Oh ugh.
Tonight I wanted to go back. My mind slightly cleared al little while I was there. I think my narcolepsy attacks, my cramps in my legs, are all due to the thick white gook inside all of my body, & brain. You guys know my brain is not in full working order, but I do thank and, appreciate you finding some humor in it at times.
Have I damaged myself more taking these steroids? At this time, I'm not fighting the system, although may get my spunk back.
If you have any suggestions, I'd appreciate them, but I don't think I'll be able to respond for awhile. I have high hopes to get on a good sleeping schedule, change my life, and get better. I don't quite see how it will work though. Nevertheless, I'm going to check back in. Reminds me of a song. "Oh my bags are packed, I'm ready to go......................................"
Love you all, & thank you for all your help. Do I start jogging?, freaky
The topper is the COPD-did I mention this? Sorry, I will nest time if I didn't. Smackers, & Hugs
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Post by freaky on Jun 11, 2011 16:51:56 GMT -5
E. Coli Outbreak My Computer is messing up so I couldn't fill in the Subject line. I hope this isn't too long, but I have trouble deleting articles, although I can delete all of this if necessary.
Scientists 'Find EHEC Bacteria at Sprout Farm' Sprouts have been identified as the source behind the EHEC outbreak in northern Germany. Zoom REUTERS
Sprouts have been identified as the source behind the EHEC outbreak in northern Germany.
Is this the breakthrough? According to SPIEGEL ONLINE information, scientists have finally managed to prove that the pathogens that caused a deadly E. coli epidemic in Germany were found on sprouts at a farm in Lower Saxony. Authorities are still puzzled as to how the deadly bacteria got there. Info
Health authorities in Germany have finally been able to show that the pathogens which caused the deadly EHEC outbreak came from sprouts at an organic farm in the Uelzen district. According to SPIEGEL ONLINE information, the breakthrough was made by scientists in the state of North Rhine-Westphalia. Final verification, however, is still pending.
As of Friday it remained unclear how the dangerous bacteria came to be present at the farm.
Even before this latest discovery, all the evidence had pointed to the farm in the state of Lower Saxony as the probable cause of the epidemic which has so far killed 29 people. Authorities had warned against eating raw sprouts. "It's the sprouts", the president of the Robert Koch Institute (RKI), Reinhard Burger, said in a press conference convened in Berlin on Friday.
At the same time, the authorities lifted the warning against eating raw cucumbers, tomatoes and lettuce. This was announced by the RKI -- Germany's center for disease control -- as well as the Federal Office of Consumer Protection and Food Safety (BVL) and the Federal Institute for Risk Assessment (BfR) in a joint press conference.
The bodies had come to the conclusion that the existing "general recommendation to refrain from consuming cucumbers, tomatoes and lettuce in northern Germany should no longer be maintained." Health Minister Daniel Bahr was forced to once again defend issuing the recommendation in the first place: "The warning was right," Bahr said at the press conference in Berlin. "The inquiry alone would not have been able to focus on the sprouts."
The only warning still in place now is against eating raw sprouts, potentially one of the most hazardous foods around and a haven for germs. The German government has also recommended that households and businesses providing food destroy any sprouts they have already bought, and any other food which may have come into contact with them. In addition, hygiene rules should be strictly followed.
E. Coli Clusters Provide Trail for Investigators
Questions will surely now be asked as to why the threat posed by sprouts wasn't acted upon earlier -- by May 9, before becoming aware of the epidemic, the BfR had recommended against the consumption of raw sprouts, and a rather prophetic piece of advice on its website warned that "foods such as fruit, vegetables and lettuce, when eaten raw, are an important but hitherto underestimated source of infection" for EHEC.
For weeks, many consumers have avoided eating cucumbers, tomatoes and lettuce after the first epidemiological test results came back from RKI: Patients with E. coli had consumed these vegetables significantly more often than healthy test subjects. A survey of patients who had apparently been infected in certain canteens found that they had gone to the salad bar more often than non-sufferers.
Clusters of E. coli cases which can be traced back to a specific event are an important source of information for the investigators because they provide a trail to follow. Such was the case at the organic farm in Lower Saxony: In all the major outbreaks of E. coli in Germany in recent days, sprouts had been delivered to restaurants at which people who later fell ill had eaten, the Lower Saxony Ministry of Agriculture announced on June 5.
These included a golf hotel in the Lüneburg district which had been supplied by the sprout producer, where 11 out of 30 members of a Swedish tour group as well as a Dane fell ill. In a restaurant in Lübeck, 17 diners were infected. The sprout manufacturer was once again a supplier to the restaurant. Several other canteens and hotels were also affected.
According to the interviews carried out by the RKI, which it said included from the beginning questions about the consumption of sprouts, only 28 percent remembered doing so. In a third party case control study, the RKI specifically looked at the consumption of salad ingredients, especially sprouts, as a possible risk factor. The results showed that in one case with 112 participants, those who had eaten sprouts were 8.6 times more likely to fall ill.
Dangerous Intestinal Bacteria
Sprouts have caused outbreaks of E. Coli before -- in Japan in 1996, around 12,680 people were taken ill and 12 died after being infected by radish sprouts from a school cafeteria, while twin outbreaks in Michigan and Virginia in 1997 were caused by contaminated sprouts traced back to the same batch of seeds originating in Idaho. Two outbreaks in Colorado and Minnesota in 2003 were also blamed on seeds that came from a single wholesale trader.
One US study has even suggested that an alarming 1.5 percent of all alfalfa sprouts sold are contaminated with EHEC. There can be up to 10 million bacteria in just one gram of the vegetable. An investigation by the BfR even revealed that the bacterial count on sprouts could increase a hundred-fold up to the expiration date, despite further refrigeration.
Up till now, the dangerous intestinal bacteria, which has the scientific name Husec041 and the serotype O104:H4, has not been detected in any food samples -- neither in those from the organic farm suspected of being the source of the outbreak nor in any from canteens and other restaurants frequented by people who later became infected. "A definite entry source of the E. Coli O104:H4 pathogen into the food chain has not been established despite intensive efforts by all concerned authorities," it was reported. But that appears to have changed with the discovery of the bacteria at the farm.
It is now known that the sprout company was officially allowed to continue selling vegetables. This was due to the wording of the first official banning order which only ruled out the sale of sprouts. The firm, however, has insisted that since the directive from the authorities, no vegetables have left the farm in any case.
"The RKI, BVL and BfR further recommend that all foods derived from the operation in Bienenbüttel should be withdrawn from the market," a statement said.
On Friday, Lower Saxony's Agriculture Minister Gert Lindemann adjusted the banning order -- the farm is now officially completely blocked and may not put an
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Post by freaky on Jun 7, 2011 0:59:47 GMT -5
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