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Post by Jill on Jul 13, 2008 9:46:57 GMT -5
Add to the "A" list of possible causes MTBE What is it? It was in your GASOLINE for many years.... Wiki: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MTBEMethyl tert-butyl ether, also known as methyl tertiary butyl ether and MTBE, is a chemical compound with molecular formula C5H12O. MTBE is a volatile, flammable and colorless liquid that is immiscible, yet reasonably soluble in water. MTBE has a minty odour vaguely reminiscent of diethyl ether, leading to unpleasant taste and odour in water. MTBE is a gasoline additive, used as an oxygenate and to raise the octane number, although its use has declined in the United States in response to environmental and health concerns. It has been found to easily pollute large quantities of groundwater when gasoline with MTBE is spilled or leaked at gas stations. MTBE is also used in organic chemistry as a relatively inexpensive solvent with properties comparable to diethyl ether but with a higher boiling point and lower solubility in water. It is also used medically to dissolve gallstones. Production MTBE is manufactured via the chemical reaction of methanol and isobutylene. Methanol is derived from natural gas, and isobutylene is made from crude oil or natural gas, thus MTBE, as used in motor gasoline, is a fossil fuel. In the United States, it was produced in very large quantities (more than 200,000 barrels per day in the United States in 1999) during its use as a fuel additive. Due to widespread releases of MTBE-containing gasoline from Underground Storage Tanks all over the US, various jurisdictions banned the use of MTBE and production was reduced. MTBE contamination in drinking water aquifers is a serious concern in many states (the most famous cases are Lake Tahoe and Santa Monica). By late 2006, most American gasoline retailers had ceased using MTBE as an oxygenate, and accordingly, US production had declined. Similarly, lack of growth or even decline of MTBE production has been seen in Western Europe. This is not due to environmental concerns; on the contrary, it is because the alternative ethanol-derived ether ETBE has been given more favorable tax treatment. Nevertheless, in other parts of the world, which account for about a half of 2004 production, the use of MTBE will continue and even grow.[1] one more- same article: . In 1995 high levels of MTBE were unexpectedly discovered in the water wells of Santa Monica, California, and the U.S. Geological Survey reported detections.[3] Subsequent U.S. findings indicate tens of thousands of contaminated sites in water wells distributed across the country. As per toxicity alone, MTBE is not classified as a hazard for the environment. The maximum contaminant level of MTBE in drinking water has not yet been established by the EPA. The leakage problem is partially attributed to the lack of effective regulations for underground storage tanks, but spillage from overfilling remains an important upset scenario. As an ingredient in unleaded gasoline, MTBE is the most soluble part. When dissolved in groundwater, MTBE will lead the contaminant plume with the remaining components such as benzene, toluene,*** etc. to follow. Thus the discovery of MTBE in public groundwater wells indicates that the contaminant source was a gasoline release. Its criticism and subsequent decreased usage, some claim, is more a product of its easy detectability (taste) in extremely low concentrations (ppb) than its toxicity, as benzene is much more toxic but remains a fuel additive. The MTBE concentrations used in the EU (usually 1.0–1.6%) and allowed (maximum 5%) in Europe are lower than in California.[4] ** ** Recall that Mark Darrah indicated a "methyl cellulose match" More later
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Post by Jill on Jul 13, 2008 9:53:25 GMT -5
Quick search here, finds a post by Kmarie- going back to 1/2008: Re: MTBE lymebusters.proboards39.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=rash&thread=7569&page=1 tinyurl.com/6e5fdtExcerpt: Conclusion: We conclude that 2-5A and PKR are not only biomarkers for viral induction of CFS, but biomarkers for other stressors inducing CFS which include MTBE and Benzene. Interferon-beta is involved in the induction of 2-5A and PKR in CFS patients, and HSP is more involved in this mechanism of action induced by toxic chemicals.
What do you know? Jill
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Post by Jill on Jul 13, 2008 10:09:51 GMT -5
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Post by Jill on Jul 13, 2008 10:29:46 GMT -5
Kmarie, I didn't imply that you were posting about MTBE- just that I found it referenced in your post. Here's more: www.lcv.org/images/client/pdfs/burr_mtbe.pdf1997: LANDMARK MTBE CASE TOOK PLACE IN NORTH CAROLINA 1997: After Contaminating the Water Supply With MTBE Conoco Settled With Wrightsboro Residents For $36 Million. Conoco settled with 179 Wrightsboro residents after their water had been contaminated with MTBE for $36 million. The decision peeled away another layer of secrecy in a case that has drawn national attention in part because it is one of the first cases to explore the health effects of the gasoline additive MTBE, a suspected carcinogen that travels quickly through groundwater. [Morning Star, 1/4/04] • Five Week Federal Trial Found Conoco Was Negligent And Committed Fraud In Covering Up Gas Spills Contaminating Water With MTBE. After a five-week federal trial in 1997, a jury sitting in Wilmington found Conoco Inc. was negligent and committed fraud in covering up gasoline spills that contaminated the water supplies of two trailer parks for about 10 years. Then Conoco settled out of court for $ 36 million with the 178 residents who had sued. [Associated Press, 8/1/99] BURR VOTED FOR ENERGY BILL, TOOK MONEY FROM MTBE INTERESTS How did Pols vote re: MTBE? Please note that there were 22 brave House Republicans who voted against DeLay on this bill yesterday. Yet 17 of our own made DeLay’s job easy. But perhaps the most sickening part of this vote yesterday is a provision in the bill demanded by DeLay that shields the corporate makers of gasoline additive MTBE from liability lawsuits for damaging community groundwater supplies, thereby transferring the multi-billion dollar costs of these cleanups from the oil and chemical companies onto the backs of local communities and their taxpayers. MTBE has already been shown to cause defects in children and the unborn, and yet Tom DeLay and the House GOP leadership just granted a large piece of corporate welfare to the oil and gas companies while saddling local governments and their taxpayers with the tab. And even worse yet, Democratic Representative Lois Capps of California was able to get an amendment considered that would have removed the MTBE corporate welfare giveaway removed from the bill. But the amendment lost by only six votes (213-219), and there were 14 Democrats who voted with DeLay against taxpayers and local communities. If these 14 Democrats had stuck with Nancy Pelosi on just this one amendment and had voted with local taxpayers and against oil and chemical companies, this horrendous amendment would have passed and the MTBE product liability shield would have been deleted. www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/004211.php** The truth and the proof is out there-
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Post by Jill on Jul 13, 2008 10:34:37 GMT -5
Follow the money
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Post by Jill on Jul 13, 2008 10:38:34 GMT -5
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Post by felixwillford on Jul 13, 2008 10:39:00 GMT -5
jjill,
I don't know where it is.......... will have to look to see where it was found,...
But in relation to fuel,
The CDC did a study of a group of people from Several areas in the US and found JET FUEL OIL in EVERYONE's urine.
Sorry, don't know if that means anything with what you are saying. Simply we and the earth are terribly polluted. Earth, Plant life, humans, animals, fish, and life in general are all "ill".
Where I work, odd that nearly 70% of the patients who are in the NEURO unit are positve for E. Coli in their urine?
I agree, the truth and proof is out there and hopefully it will be found soon.
Also, not thrilled about the corn gasoline they want to use (biofuel?). None of this sounds good.
Reminds me of those old chemistry sets a a kid and you NEVER know what will happen by mixing two things together.
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Post by Jill on Jul 13, 2008 10:58:56 GMT -5
The way I see it, I've been observing the dead trees by the side of highly traveled roads for years. There is no way to deny that the cause is from vehicles/emissions. Because that was not true even 20 years ago, there must be a reason for all the tree/plant/shrub deaths near the roads You mention Jets- a quick Google shows a patent- circa 1987- Jet fuel/ MTBE www.freepatentsonline.com/EP0237372.html What changed? Gas additives. MTBE. Who benefits? Those marketing Gas/Oil This is right out there for us to see. Cause and effect. Granted, there are many other things out there causing various conditions- GMO's, pesticides, herbicides, and then the mycoplasma fermentans incognitus- can't forget that one. Couldn't agree more. But when I read the article today- about the murder of Chandra Levy- and the possible perps- while I may not agree with the man- he did mention the problems with California as relates to the MTBE problem (poisoned water), and the connection to Enron (also having to do with MTBE) it just makes sense. He's been on supplements for years, trying to stay alive. He claims as for back as 2001, there was a known problem in his area (CALI) relating to the MTBE. Constituents badgered Pols in California- and the author claims that Congressman Condit was on their side- meeting with Cheney to attempt to resolve the problem. I can't vouch for that fact, I have no other source for that info- but the MTBE info is out there for all to read. A quick Google confirmed all he had to say (re:MTBE) You're right- you just don't know what you're going to get when you mix all these known offending products together- maybe fibers? Jill
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Post by toni on Jul 13, 2008 11:00:21 GMT -5
I'm not completely up on this, but Perchlorate is what's used for rocket fuel...that part I know.
Now Perchlorate is and has been alot in the news about causing thyroid problems in NV, CA and several other states.
It's ALLOWED in our water...a small percentage anyways.
Could that be what's been found in "urine"? Because many many people are having thyroid problems solely because of the Perchlorate in our drinking water.
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Post by Jill on Jul 13, 2008 11:20:25 GMT -5
Perchlorate- in Jet fuels is bad enough- but the MTBE- pushes the envelope Could not find any link- re: Urine/CDC/jet fuel as relates to Perchlorate: www.ewg.org/node/8609 Below- re Jet fuel component- perchlorate in urine- Contributes to thyroid problems Thyroid Threat: Broad Implications for CDC Study The CDC researchers found that if a low iodine woman started with perchlorate exposure corresponding to 0.19 ppb in urine (the minimum level found), and then ingested enough perchlorate through food and/or drinking water to raise her urinary perchlorate level to 2.9 ppb (the median level found), her T4 levels would drop by 13 percent.†2 Similarly, if her urinary perchlorate level increased to 5.2 ppb (the 75th percentile exposure), her T4 levels would drop by 16 percent. The maximum level of perchlorate exposure found was 100 ppb, which translated into a 29 percent decline in T4. and umbbd.msi.umn.edu/pco/pco_map.htmlPerchlorate impairs normal thyroid function because it is taken up preferentially by the thyroid gland in place of iodide. The thyroid gland is therefore deprived of iodide, a necessary nutrient which it is designed to concentrate; and without iodine, thyroid hormone is inactive. As a result, perchlorate can disrupt the delicate balance of hormone levels in the body which are crucial for healthy metabolism, growth and development. another good link: www.familiesagainstcancer.org/?id=197 Seems we were given thyroid problems (perchlorate) and then the double whammy- MTBE. Add GMO, etc and what do we have? Back to the MTBE- the stuff (Methanol) breaks down to formaldehyde- deadly.
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Post by Jill on Jul 13, 2008 11:46:03 GMT -5
I think those in government are pretty much aware of this. We are the ones who are learning.
Case in point- Tom Delay. Never thought much about him- till I read his name on Andy Coyles link- named with Monsanto, et al- as culpable (as relates to Morgellons). Now how Andy means that, I can not say. He doesn't explain - that I can see on his links.
I did take a Google - Tom Delay and was shocked. He had owned a Pest control company in Texas- Albo- prior to becoming a Pol. His major problem- fighting with the EPA because they had too much control over the pesticides that he sprayed. His fav- is DDT.
That was Delays' reason for becoming involved in politics. To fight the EPA and other agencies that protect people.
Google it-
Good stories out there but I'll post some other time.
BTW- until he was indicted and left office, he was the second most powerful man in Washington DC.
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Post by Jill on Jul 13, 2008 17:47:54 GMT -5
Back to MTBE- Excerpts: The results showed one hour after the end of exposure moderate to severe oedema and moderate erythema. The effects lasted the first 8 days of the 14 days of observation end excerpt Excerpt: Although a more severe grading of granular casts was observed in male dose rats in a 90 day oral exposure to 1200 mg/ml (Robinson et al. 1990) the effect is absent in the other, shorter term studies. Granular cast formation in the cortico-medullary junction is an essential histopathological piece of evidence when the relevance of 2u-globulin is established. However, granular cast formation is usually seen after a chronic exposure. The evidence of sex specificity of increased incidence and severity of CPN is also somewhat equivocal. Some signs of increase in CPN are also seen in females exposed to 3000 and 8000 ppm MTBE in the two-year study when compared to controls and 400 ppm end excerpt ecb.jrc.it/classlab/6100_FIN_MTBE.doc Check out the crystals alsubs.blogspot.com/2007_07_01_archive.html So the research with the MTBE shows: Moderate to severe oedema (edema) and moderate erythema another study showed no swelling or erythema the study showed Granular cast formations after chronic exposure Going to Google/Scholar- Granular Cast formations- I found the images at the link above that resemble the crystals that various posters have displayed. Other studies/info indicate that MTBE can cause cancer- Hodgkin's lymphoma with long term exposure- Short term- rash, dizziness, lesions on the kidneys, irritates eyes and can cause blurred vision and more... Many symptoms are matching with this substance- to include the crystals The methyl would cause the fermentation process- the chain- (cycle) fungus/insects and the other components in the MTBE- alcohol- would aid in that process. Note- mutations happen due to 3 things- and 2 of those 3 are present in the MTBE It's my thought that this toxin can be flushed out of the body with the Molybdenum and water. Just a teaspoon with water- once or twice a week. I'll try that and let you know if there is an improvement (vision, etc)
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Post by Jill on Jul 16, 2008 7:16:51 GMT -5
abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local&id=5526250 Excerpt: Newsrss Over 4,000 Pounds Of MTBE Pulled From Contaminated Site Tuesday, July 31, 2007 | 12:41 AM MARTINEZ, Calif., Jul. 30, 2007 (BCN) -- More than 4,000 pounds of a potentially harmful fuel additive have been removed from the groundwater at the Amorco Terminal in Martinez, but the cleanup is far from complete, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency announced last week. The announcement came as the EPA, working with the California Regional Water Quality Control Board and Tesoro Corp., completed its first phase of the cleanup effort. The cleanup began last July after EPA discovered that the site was contaminated with Methyl Tertiary Butyl Ether, a fuel additive that was widely used in gasoline in the 1990s. MTBE had been stored in giant tanks on the Amorco site and apparently leaked out of the pipes leading into and away from the tanks over an extended period of time, said Steve Armann, manager of the EPA's Resource Conservation Recovery Act, Corrective Action office. MTBE was found only 175 feet from the Carquinez Straight, which feeds into the San Francisco Bay estuary system.Armann said that Conoco-Phillips owned the site during the time the material was released into the groundwater. Chair of the Bay Area Air Quality Management District, Mark Ross said that Tosco Corp. also operated the site during the time that MTBE was being added to gasoline in California. Tesoro has since taken over operation of the site and is working with the EPA to clean up the contamination, Armann said. It is still unknown how much material seeped out of the pipes or how far the plume extends underground, Armann said, but so far the pumps have removed 4,100 pounds of MTBE in just 150 days of operation, and the quantities don't seem to be tapering off. Although MTBE has not been sold in California since 2003 and the tanks are now empty, according to the EPA, Ross said that the material's ability to seep through groundwater systems would likely render it a problem for decades to come. end excerpt This was going on last summer- and most likely is still a work in progress- Yesterday, I was talking to a woman who just had surgery for 'trigger finger'. Prior to that she had a heart related hospitalization. She lived in California- in the 1990's. She said she had constant headaches and many of the other symptoms related to MTBE exposure. This possible cause is being overlooked. Agree- it's not the only component- but certainly important. The studies on the MTBE were done by a Dr Vodani- who was affiliated with Garth Nicolson (immed.com-GWS- mycoplasma). Could there be a connection?
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Post by godsgrace on Jul 16, 2008 8:24:16 GMT -5
JJill, there is ALWAYS a connection..
like the leg bone is connected to the foot bone.
godsgrace
PS great work!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Jill on Jul 16, 2008 21:58:45 GMT -5
Thanks, Gg- appreciate the thought!
I learned about this stuff- MTBE just a few days ago. I'm sure I've heard about it before- just don't recall. The person posting the info- had a different perspective. For him it was not about the substance- MTBE- it was about the murder of the intern Chandra Levy- long story and it really doesn't relate to our discussion- just saying... MTBE- used in vehicles and jets from 1979 through at least 2006- California banned it a bit sooner- but other states were still using it.
In looking for possible connections- and everyone points to the 3 states with the most Morgellons- Cali- Texas and Florida- and lo and behold- that is exactly where the majority of the problems with the MTBE are found.
One link stated there are 780,000+ storage tanks that held this stuff. Some underground pipes that had stored it and piped it elsewhere.
This needs to be researched.
MTBE is huge.
And as I stated a few posts ago- the doctor doing the research study on the MTBE was also affiliated with Immed- Garth Nicolson and the Mycoplasma fermentans incognitus, et al
And did you know that Don Scott is on staff there as well?
Jill
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Post by godsgrace on Jul 16, 2008 22:51:43 GMT -5
;D
lovin' it!!
Don Scott... what a guy!!
gg
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Post by godsgrace on Jul 17, 2008 18:43:55 GMT -5
I called G Nicholsons office and left a message asking if he knew anything about Morgellon's.
I said that I was a nurse in NY and was curious if he was working on it.
I did not recieve a response. Go figure.
gg
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Post by Jill on Jul 17, 2008 19:02:03 GMT -5
He may know it as a different name, GG
Jill
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Post by lilsissy on Jul 18, 2008 18:07:39 GMT -5
I believe this is why we pee fuelhttp://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/04/080423115917.htm
Lilsissy
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Post by Jill on Jul 18, 2008 18:36:17 GMT -5
www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/04/080423115917.htmNewly Created Microbe Produces Cellulose And Sugars For Biofuels ** From your article, Lilsissy, I wonder how long they've been working on the process? As you say- could be a problem already. The stuff seems to have 2 needed components- the cellulose and the sugar. Back 6+ years ago, they were saying the fibers are cellulose. Sugars- that would be a component as well. Food for the beast. The 'why' of so many people being border line diabetic or hypoglycemic? Huge part of this problem. I wonder? Thanks for the article. Jill
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