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Post by lilsissy on Jul 18, 2008 23:09:58 GMT -5
No, thank you jill. I think this thread will help us figure this out!
It has stuck with me, something here. Lilsissy
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Post by felixwillford on Jul 19, 2008 16:01:02 GMT -5
I agree.............this biofuel will end up showing us SOMETHING, but what?
TIme will tell.
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Post by Jill on Jul 20, 2008 7:45:13 GMT -5
www.garynull.com/Documents/MTBE/ReformulatedGasoline.htm Reformulated Gasoline: A Source of Illness (details for physicians) Excerpt: MTBE has been used as a gasoline additive since approximately 1979. However, it was used solely to increase the octane of some brands of premium gasoline and the amount used in any region was at least an order of magnitude less than today. In November 1992, certain cities were required to have 15% MTBE (or its equivalent) in all gasoline for the winter months only. (The regions affected were the cities from Washington to New York City on the east coast, and all of California.) Starting in January 1995, a different gasoline formulation containing 11% MTBE was required, in a larger number of urban areas, in most cases 12 months per year. (This last point is important, because many people mistakenly believe that it is used only during the winter months.) The actual usage pattern is very dependent on where you are: consult your state environmental department, or ask me via email. I personally developed severe neurological symptoms in the winter of 1992-93, and was then diagnosed as being highly atopic. I suffered from various of these symptoms in synchrony with the MTBE seasonal usage. I was started on immunotherapy in September 1993, and by January 1997 had been essentially cured of this sensitivity problem. Further details are available upon request. It was from careful observation of the pattern of circumstances of my own symptoms, as well as by conversations with over 200 other people, that many of the conclusions in this document were reached. end Excerpt: HISTORY: When MTBE was added to gasoline in Fairbanks, Alaska, in the winter of 1992, many people (estimated to be 10% of the population) complained of the above symptoms. The symptoms were associated with gasoline fumes and/or exhaust in that they got worse when people drove in traffic and better in their homes out of town. The CDC did a thorough investigation, including measuring blood levels of MTBE and its metabolite TBA.9 The governor of Alaska demanded that MTBE be removed and the symptoms complaints promptly subsided. The same scenario was repeated at the same time in Missoula, Montana with the same result, except that the CDC was not involved. The CDC did another driver survey study in Stamford Connecticut in March 1993 and found people reporting the same symptoms as in Fairbanks, Alaska10. They concluded that "Persons with high blood concentrations of MTBE reported a high prevalence of one or more of the key symptoms ... that had been previously associated with MTBE exposure in Fairbanks, Alaska. This association appears to be specific to these symptoms." ****** Oregon WAS relatively safe from MTBE excerpt: Most of Oregon is using ethanol rather than MTBE as the oxygenate in their gasoline. However, Mr. Rick Holt, a county commissioner in Jackson county (Medford) Oregon says that in his area the gasoline does contain significant amounts of MTBE. Medford is about 30 miles from the California border, and he says the gasoline in his area is imported from California, which means it is oxygenated with MTBE. Mr. Holt says that public health has declined in his area because of this, and he has organized another chapter of Oxybusters to oppose it. This is the first instance in which a government official has seen fit to found a chapter of Oxybusters! The implications are that if one wishes to escape MTBE by travel to Oregon, one should go to the northern portion of the state. end excerpt www.garynull.com/Documents/MTBE/HealthEffects.htm
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Post by Jill on Jul 22, 2008 21:38:41 GMT -5
tinyurl.com/66lzf8This powerpoint - produced by Calgon- states on pge 19- Approximately 3000 gallons of oxygenated gasoline leaked in Hampton Bays, Ny- via a retail gas station over a 7 year time frame Several INterim Remidal measures (IRM's) were instituted by the NYSDEC-
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Post by Jill on Jul 26, 2008 16:17:19 GMT -5
News- re: MTBE California - MTBE excerpts: 2001 Aug 20, Four oil companies (Chevron, Shell, Texaco and Unocal) agreed to clean up MTBE contamination in California caused by leaking storage tanks. 4 others (ARCO, Exxon, Mobil and Tosco) declined to settle the suit. (SFC, 8/21/01, p.A3) 2001 Aug 26, It was reported that MTBE was leaking from 251 underground gasoline tanks in the Bay Area and reached 48 wells in public water systems. (SSFC, 8/26/01, p.A1) 2002 Mar 15, Gov. Davis delayed a ban on the gasoline additive MTBE for one year. (SFC, 3/16/02, p.A1) timelines.ws/states/CAL2001_2008.HTML Let's send Gov Davis (Ex Gov) thank you cards on behalf of all the sick in California. 251 leaking underground storage tanks- leaking MTBE's and 48 water wells - and that was only one area- San Francisco Bay as of 2001 That is only 1 state. Actually, only one area of 1 state. More to come
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Post by Jill on Jul 27, 2008 6:52:05 GMT -5
Tie- in Chronic Fatigue and MTBE's Incline Village: The first 'outbreak' at the Mercy San Juan Hospital- of what would be termed Chronic fatigue, was initially 'Infectious venulitis'- then ME- now- CFS. That initial 'outbreak' lasted from 1972 thru the 1990's Initially described as ME- which is now termed Chronic Fatigue- a jab at the sufferers by the medical profession - downplays the illness.... www.geocities.com/tcjrme/recommend23.html1970’s ME Epidemic at California Hospital Using his long experience, Dr. Ryll describes Myalgic Encephalomyelitis and the history of a California Hospital Outbreak during the 1970’s. This report is a valuable page in ME history and provides additional perspective about this infectious disease. Further illustrating the continuous trail of ME epidemics and discussion of the diverse complex of symptoms and pathology. Patients often find his description of the illness very realistic. ** The Hospital outbreak was likely a trial balloon- or a test of some sort. Here is another chart - most of the pre-1970's outbreaks are most likely related to labs- if you note the locations- and the polio vaccine fiasco/s. www.fm-cfs.ca/ME_epidemic.html AND we can't forget Lake Tahoe- Incline Village- the real kick off: Excerpt from above link: 54. Incline Village, Lake Tahoe, Nevada, USA "A chronic illness characterized by fatigue, neurlogic and immunologic disorders and active human herpesvirus type 6 infection." "This community epidemic, apparently started in a girls' basketball team, then involved primarily teacher in at lest three high schools, and then large numbers of the community." And here's something- to tie the MTBE's to the CFS/ME/Infectious venulitis/FM etc : www.aptwater.com/assets/news_articles/Article-WC&P0904.pdfExcerpt: Lurking beneath the panoramic and pristine beauty of Lake Tahoe is an environmental crisis in the form of the gasoline additive MTBE. Vir- tually unknown in the common vernacu- lar a decade ago, MTBE has become a household term. An acronym for me- thyl tert-butyl ether, MTBE has been the subject of intense environmental, legal and legislative debates regarding its im- pact on the environment, especially wa- ter, and South Lake Tahoe, California, has been a focal point of these debates. Drinking water contamination The South Tahoe Public Utility STPU provides drinking water to the city and surrounding communities from under- ground aquifers. Within a one-year pe- riod, the STPU was forced to shut down more than one-third of its drinking wa- ter wells due to MTBE contamination. The sources of the contamination were leaking underground storage tanks (LUSTs) used by gasoline dispensing sta- tions. The crisis became economic as well as environmental. ** So is MTBE a cause of Chronic Fatigue and other respiratory illness? Certainly MTBE's exasperate any condition.
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Post by Jill on Jul 27, 2008 7:38:10 GMT -5
www.weitzlux.com/mtbe/news/watersupply_1198.htmlA cup of turpentine, on the House November 24, 2003 (postpaper.com) Excerpt: But because the chemical is an oxygenate it is, unlike most other chemicals in gasoline, soluble in water. What that means to you and me -- and our drinking water supplies -- is that MTBE-spiked gasoline spilled in a filling station parking lot eventually becomes MTBE in the soil which, when combined with falling droplets of rain and the force of gravity, eventually leads to the turpentine taste/smell in your morning coffee that I mentioned earlier. In fact, it only takes one coffee cup filled with MTBE to contaminate 5 million gallons of otherwise drinkable water.More: Excerpt: In 1997 Glennville, a town of about 300 residents in the foothills of the Sierra Nevadas, became a virtual ghost town after the water supply was found to contain the highest levels of MTBE ever recorded -- 20,000 ppb. The town's only gas station was shut down, but the number of contaminated wells increased. Oil company officials told the townspeople to take fewer and shorter showers, and to stop drinking and cooking with the water. For the last six years, the state of California has been trucking in water for the 14 families who remain in Glennville. The residents complain of skin rashes and intestinal problems, banks have stopped lending money, none of the residents have able to been sell their homes.And their water smells and tastes like paint thinner. One more: Excerpt: Despite the fact that MTBE causes leukemia, lymphoma and testicular cancer in heavy doses, the EPA told no one of the potential dangers associated with the leaking tanks. Instead, the agency quietly and quickly ordered every single underground gasoline storage tank at every filling station and petroleum supply facility in the country to be dug up and replaced by 1998. Some of these new tanks, Kroft reported, were already leaking a year later.
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Post by Jill on Jul 27, 2008 13:09:26 GMT -5
aem.asm.org/cgi/content/full/69/5/2616Naturally Occurring Bacteria Similar to the Methyl tert-Butyl Ether (MTBE)-Degrading Strain PM1 Are Present in MTBE-Contaminated GroundwaterKrassimira Hristova, Binyam Gebreyesus, Douglas Mackay, and Kate M. Scow* Department of Land, Air, and Water Resources, University of California, Davis, California Received 23 August 2002/ Accepted 31 January 2003 EXCERPT: It was surprising to find DNA sequences virtually identical to the 16S rDNA and ITS regions of the PM1 genome present in MTBE-contaminated groundwater at VAFB. The laboratory strain PM1 was isolated from a compost-filled biofilter treating off-gases from a Los Angeles, Calif., sewage treatment plant that received some portion of its discharges from local oil refineries (13). Biodegradation activity by the microbial consortium from which PM1 was isolated was not detected until approximately a year after MTBE began to be measured in the biofilter influent (9). It is not possible for us to determine whether PM1 was derived from the compost, evolved de novo under selection in the biofilter, or entered the biofilter in association with aerosols from waste streams. The distribution of native PM1 density was positively associated with oxygen presence and higher MTBE concentrations. Within the LTF, before the MTBE concentration was artificially increased, the highest densities were detected somewhat down gradient from the oxygen RW. After increasing the MTBE concentration, however, the highest densities were immediately adjacent to the oxygen RW, suggesting that higher oxygen concentrations were needed to remove the higher MTBE concentrations. On the other hand, densities of native PM1 were very low or not detectable in anoxic samples collected outside the LTF. The presence of native PM1 in the anoxic groundwater suggests that it is capable of surviving in the absence of oxygen. **
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Post by lilsissy on Jul 28, 2008 21:15:06 GMT -5
Wow jill I would say this is truly a find, wow what is amazing is how the jet fuel we pee ties in, it is really identical to bacteria . So we are peeing lyme bacteria that is identical to jet fuel? ?? Not thinking to clear today. This is truly amazing! lilsissy This is kind of what I was thinking we would find our body converted material into a substance simular to jet fuel but I truly did not think that we would find any existing analysis that would match jet fuel, wow Especially the Lyme bacteria ,,,,,,,,,wow I'm tripping on this one!!!!!!!!!!! Did I get that right? ?/ Wow
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Post by Jill on Jul 29, 2008 19:24:30 GMT -5
Lilsissy,
I don't know what to make of this. It's out there-
I do know that I found the Genome of MTBE/PM 1 remediation roduct- and found in the 'bacteria' of the stuff is Agrobacterium Tumefaciens.
What next?
As you said a week ago- this could be a big part of the puzzle (words to that effect).
I believe it is.
Jill
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Post by Jill on Jul 29, 2008 19:48:44 GMT -5
jb.asm.org/cgi/reprint/JB.01259-06v1.pdfGo to page 9- above pdf file- Line 20- Cell Motility , secretion and transport systems- Excerpt: M Petroleiphilum PM1 possesses the genes necessary for flagellar biosynthesis (for one polar flagellum) chemotactic respornse, type IV pili synthesis, the type II secretion pathway as well as several genes related to the AGROBACTERIUM TUMEFACIENS type IV secretions pathway (Figure 2 Supplemental Table 1). Type IV secretion mechanisms are often involved in pathogenesis. However, homologs to only three of the five core type IV secretion proteins (VirB9,10,11, not VirB4 of 7)..... PM1 likely moves both by flagellar facilitated swimming and pili-facilitated twitching motility....... end excerpt Pull up the PDF and even if you don't read it- go to the supplements on the last few pages- Simple to understand- Shows the Methanol to formaldehyde to methylene and the other cycles- (ethanol to acetadelyde to acetate to acetlyl co- a) etc This is a bacteria. Motile- flagellar Seems the 'cure' is worse than the MTBE's More later
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Post by lilsissy on Jul 29, 2008 21:10:52 GMT -5
Jill this is a find!!!!!!!!!!!
Dunaliella together with spirochetes were found in The Dead Sea also pump up the aldehyde, Aldehyde is necessary for biomems chips.
I believe Skytrool was right about this being what Hilter was on too with the heavy water experiments!
They probably moved these to Plum Island.
Lilsissy
This all ties in with the Ospins somehow, Ospins pump up aldehyde. How do phosphates fit in? Phosphates block organisms from entering cell walls,I have read. Is this why they are making phosphates unavalible soon?
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Post by Jill on Jul 30, 2008 8:00:58 GMT -5
Lilsissy, Can you give me a link for the spirochetes in the Dead Sea Salts? Reason is I give Dead Sea Salts as presents- As to the Dunaliella- found this: Cancer Dunaliella Salina: The Algae With Powerful Anti-Cancer Properties Date: 01/12/03 Keywords: Herbs Dunaliella salina - a green, single-celled alga - is literally packed full of potent plant chemicals, such as beta-carotene. Scientists have known for some time now that beta-carotene possesses powerful anti-cancer properties. Dunaliella salina has been found to contain hitherto unknown forms of beta-carotene that are far more powerful and active... www.thehealthierlife.co.uk/natural-health-articles/cancer/dunaliella-salina-algae-anti-cancer-properties-00119.html Never knew about the spirochetes- Thanks, Jill
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Post by lilsissy on Aug 1, 2008 11:48:08 GMT -5
jill, maybe have in in my favorites but not at home now. Skytrool where are you? I know sky saw it on another thread we were talking about the dead sea on, by the way where is Skytrool? lilsissy
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Post by gradysghostii on Aug 1, 2008 11:57:05 GMT -5
This has got to be behind alot of America's ills, could it be tied to Morgellons, not sure, I will have to read this thread entirely, scary stuff for sure, the ground water US wide is probably contaminated, there are gas stations everwhere and all this underground water is connected.
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Post by Jill on Aug 1, 2008 17:51:24 GMT -5
Thanks, Lilsissy- when you find it, let me know. No rush. Gradys Ghost, I agree that this has got to be behind America's ills. Could be the cause of Morgellons- with Mycoplasma as the agent that damages the immune system- weakens us to the point that this other stuff thrives (and we do not). Just the story about Incline Village, being the first outbreak of Chronic Fatigue- and just a year prior to the 'outbreak'- there was a gasoline leak (with the MTBE in it) just above Lake Tahoe. Of course the stuff runs down hill- to Lake Tahoe- and as you read (above post) , Lake Tahoe is now badly contaminated. Dr Paul Cheney, one of the doctors at Incline Village, helping the sick- got Chronic Fatigue as well. Had a heart transplant in 2003. He claims that Chronic Fatigue damages the heart. I think I spotted something on the link that Bessie posted- that Morgellons effects the heart as well (the India treatment link). Another coincidence. Even more dangerous (or rather just as dangerous, but in addition to) than MTBE's- the stuff that they remediate the MTBE's with. PM1- that is the stuff that contains: jb.asm.org/cgi/reprint/JB.01259-06v1.pdf the protein product from MpeA3393- which is most similar to bluecose dhydrogenase {GlueDH} from B Fungorum ( 81% similar)- see page 41 of the above pdf I didn't know what B Fungorum was- so off to Google: First hit: Burkholderia fungorum Septicemia ;septic arthritis. www.cdc.gov/ncidod/EID/vol11no07/pdfs/04-1290.pdf Hit #2: Excerpt: Multiple Formaldehyde Oxidation/Detoxification Pathways in Burkholderia fungorum LB400 Christopher J. Marx,1, Jonathan A. Miller,1 Ludmila Chistoserdova,2 and Mary E. Lidstrom1,2* Department of Microbiology,1 Department of Chemical Engineering, University of Washington, Seattle, Washington 98195-21802 Received 1 September 2003/ Accepted 30 December 2003 Burkholderia species are free-living bacteria with a versatile metabolic lifestyle. The genome of B. fungorum LB400 is predicted to encode three different pathways for formaldehyde oxidation: an NAD-linked, glutathione (GSH)-independent formaldehyde dehydrogenase; an NAD-linked, GSH-dependent formaldehyde oxidation system; and a tetrahydromethanopterin-methanofuran-dependent formaldehyde oxidation system. The other Burkholderia species for which genome sequences are available, B. mallei, B. pseudomallei, and B. cepacia, are predicted to contain only the first two of these pathways. The roles of the three putative formaldehyde oxidation pathways in B. fungorum LB400 have been assessed via knockout mutations in each of these pathways, as well as in all combinations of knockouts. The resulting mutants have the expected loss of enzyme activities and exhibit defects of varying degrees of severity during growth on choline, a formaldehyde-producing substrate. Our data suggest that all three pathways are involved in formaldehyde detoxification and are functionally redundant under the tested conditions. jb.asm.org/cgi/content/abstract/186/7/2173 And that is just one component- there are many- I'll list a few more later. Jill PS BTW PM1 (used to remediate MTBE's)- also contains Agrobacterium Tumefaciens Type IV We wonder where our ground - and the plants (food) get the Agro?
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Post by gradysghostii on Aug 1, 2008 18:56:44 GMT -5
Jill, I noticed in your link: PM1- that is the stuff that contains: jb.asm.org/cgi/reprint/JB.01259-06v1.pdfThat Pseudomonas Putida is mentioned quite often. This is an oil eating (and other toxic chemical eating) bacteria that converts it into biodegradable plastics (sound familair) just like Toni's picks of the hooked creature, which is really biodegradeable plastic. I posted a big thread on it once here, the similarities between what it does and our symptoms is pretty striking. Basically, we are a toxic mess, MTBE and the cleanup chemicals wreaking havoc in our bodies.
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Post by Jill on Aug 1, 2008 19:39:17 GMT -5
Agree, Grady. I wish that there was a way that we could tie together known facts- such as you mention- Toni's biodegradeable plastic (creature). Could be that Steve's sponges are along for the ride- who knows? Just did a quick search here- for 'Proteobacteria' found in the PM 1 Steves' info and a post by Toni came up. lymebusters.proboards39.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=rash&thread=8124&page=1tinyurl.com/6az7ls Will go back and get Steve's info later. In addition to numerous bacteria- PM 1 has the identical DNA sequences - of 16s rDNA- the deer tick. That is telling us something. aem.asm.org/cgi/content/full/69/5/2616 It was surprising to find DNA sequences virtually identical to the 16S rDNA and ITS regions of the PM1 genome present in MTBE-contaminated groundwater AND It has the Agrobacterium I think this will lead us to the truth. Detox is what comes to my mind. Big time, Detox. Jill
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Post by lilsissy on Aug 1, 2008 20:44:41 GMT -5
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Post by Jill on Aug 2, 2008 5:20:44 GMT -5
Thanks for the picture, Lilsissy- looks familiar, doesn't it? Someone posted something like that - at one time. Jill
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