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Post by felixwillford on Jul 16, 2008 18:48:08 GMT -5
www.dpd.cdc.gov/DPDx/HTML/Baylisascariasis.htmPage 1 www.dpd.cdc.gov/DPDx/HTML/Baylisascariasis.htmpage 2 Baylisascaris procyonis completes its life cycle in raccoons (Procyon lotor), with humans acquiring the infection as accidental hosts. Following ingestion by many different hosts (over 50 species of birds and mammals, especially rodents, have been identified as intermediate hosts) eggs hatch and larvae penetrate the gut wall and migrate into various tissues, where they encyst. The life cycle is completed when raccoons eat these hosts. The larvae develop into egg-laying adult worms in the small intestine and eggs are eliminated in raccoon feces. People become accidentally infected when they ingest infective eggs from the environment; typically this occurs in young children playing in the dirt. After ingestion, the eggs hatch and larvae penetrate the gut wall and migrate to a wide variety of tissues (liver, heart, lungs, brain, eyes), and cause visceral (VLM) and ocular (OLM) larva migrans syndromes, similar to toxocariasis. In contrast to Toxocara larvae, Baylisascaris larvae continue to grow during their time in the human host. Tissue damage and the signs and symptoms of baylisascariasis are often severe because of the size of Baylisascaris larvae, their tendency to wander widely, and the fact that they do not readily die. Tissue damage and the signs and symptoms of baylisascariasis are often severe. Geographic Distribution: Raccoons infected with Baylisascaris procyonis appear to be common in the Middle Atlantic, Midwest, and Northeast regions of the United States and are well documented in California and Georgia. Proven human cases have been reported in California, Oregon, New York, Pennsylvania, Illinois, Michigan, and Minnesota, with a suspected case in Missouri. Clinical Features:Human infections can be asymptomatic. However, because these larvae continue to grow and wander in the human host, infections often result in severe disease manifestations. Much like toxocariasis, infection with Baylisascaris can result in visceral larva migrans (VLM) or ocular larva migrans (OLM) syndromes. The larvae of B. procyonis have a tendency to invade the spinal cord, brain, and eye of humans, resulting in permanent neurologic damage, blindness, or death. Human infection with Baylisascaris appears to be rare. To date, 13 well documented Baylisascaris encephalitis cases, and 1 suspected case in a young girl with CNS larva migrans, have been reported. The prevalence of subclinical cases is unknown. Because there is no widely available definitive diagnostic test for humans infected with this parasite, many cases are not diagnosed initially. Laboratory Diagnosis:Human infections are difficult to diagnose, and often the diagnosis is by exclusion of other causes. Results from complete blood count (CBC) and cerebrospinal fluid (CSF) examination would be consistent with parasitic infection, but tend to be nonspecific. Examination of tissue biopsies can be extremely helpful if a section of larva is contained, but removing an appropriate piece of tissue where the larva is actually present can be problematic. Ocular examinations revealing a migrating larva, larval tracks, or lesions consistent with a nematode larva are often the most significant clue to infection with Baylisascaris. Serologic testing can be extremely helpful in suspected cases; however, tests are not routinely in use nor widely available. Diagnostic findings Microscopy Images Cross-sections of larvae of B. columnaris (a skunk parasite) in the brain of a laboratory-infected mouse. The larval morphology and microscopic manifestations would be similar with B. procyonis in human tissue. Image taken at 400x magnification. Higher magnification (1000x oil) of a cross-section of B. columnaris from the same specimen as Figure A. Notice the prominent alae (green arrows), excretory columns (red arrows) and multinucleate intestinal cells (blue arrow). Cross-sections of larvae of B. columnaris in muscle of a laboratory-infected mouse. The larval morphology and microscopic manifestations would be similar with B. procyonis in human tissue. Image taken at 400x magnification. Treatment:No drugs have been demonstrated to be totally effective for the treatment of baylisascariasis. Drugs such as albendazole have been recommended for specific cases. For additional information, see the recommendations in The Medical Letter (Drugs for Parasitic Infections).
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Post by felixwillford on Jul 16, 2008 18:53:24 GMT -5
www.ag.ndsu.edu/pubs/ansci/animpest/v1227w.htmPublic Health Watch -- Focus On -- AGRICULTURE Baylisascariasis caused by the raccoon roundworm, Baylisascaris procyonis V-1227 April 2002 Neil W. Dyer, DVM, DACVP Director, NDSU Diagnostic Laboratory Charles L. Stoltenow, DVM, DACVPM Extension Veterinarian -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Baylisascariasis is an uncommon but well described infection in humans caused by ingestion of the eggs of the raccoon roundworm, Baylisascaris procyonis (B. procyonis). B. procyonis is a common parasite of raccoons in the United States and Canada. A similar species, Baylisascaris columnaris, is found in skunks. B. procyonis has three primary life cycle options: In most cases, the roundworm egg is ingested by a raccoon, passes into the intestine, hatches and matures into an adult worm. It then produces more eggs and passes them in raccoon fecal material. Raccoons are considered the reservoir host and maintain the infection in nature. In some cases, the roundworm egg is ingested by a different kind of mammal (typically a rabbit or rodent) or bird. The egg hatches and releases a larva that migrates through the mammal or bird tissues but never develops into an adult worm. The larva may migrate to the brain of the mammal or bird, resulting in a debilitated state. This debilitated state may allow the animal to be easier to catch and kill. If a raccoon eats a mammal or bird containing the larva, the larva develops into a normal adult worm and begins passing eggs in the raccoon's fecal material. In rare cases, the roundworm egg is ingested by a human (often a child) that is working or playing in an area contaminated by raccoon feces. B. procyonis eggs are not infective when they are initially passed in raccoon feces. It takes two to four weeks for the eggs to embryonate or become infective. Their thick shell makes the eggs highly resistant and the eggs may persist in the environment for years. The egg hatches in the human intestine and releases a larva that never develops into an adult worm, but migrates to different tissues in the body. Frequently the brain and eye are affected. The larva does not mature, but continues to grow and causes tissue damage. The condition of the person is often severe, depending on the extent of tissue damage and the tissue affected. The disease in humans Infected humans may be asymptomatic. Human infections occur when embryonated eggs are accidentally ingested. Eggs are picked up from the soil (children playing in the dirt), water, hands, food or objects contaminated by raccoon feces. Larva that grow and migrate in the human can cause severe diseases such as: "Visceral larval migrans" - infection of internal organs, particularly the brain and spinal cord. "Ocular larval migrans" - infection of the eye, which can lead to blindness due to retinal involvement. No definitive diagnostic test is available. Serologic tests (blood tests for antibody to the parasite) are not routinely used. The disease in animals B. procyonis can cause infection in virtually any animal host if the egg is ingested. Clinical signs are often associated with the migration of the larva in tissue. As in humans, the nervous system is a preferred site. Affected animals may exhibit signs of central nervous system disorder such as seizures, disorientation, ataxia, and coma. Rabies suspect animals, if tested for and proven negative for having rabies, would also be a suspect for B. procyonis infection. Diagnosis of the disease in animals There is no ante mortem (live animal) test for Baylisascariasis infection in animals. Diagnosis is made by microscopic examination of selected tissues, observation of characteristic lesions and presence of B. procyonis larvae. Exposure point! Close contact between raccoons and humans presents the highest risk. Scavenging raccoons may prowl near homes and buildings. Raccoon defecation sites are dangerous exposure areas for humans. Because the eggs are resistant to environmental conditions and disinfectants, once an area becomes contaminated, it is difficult to clean it up completely. Pet raccoons can also harbor this parasite and may be a potential exposure point for humans. According to NDCC � 36-01-08.4 it is illegal to own a pet raccoon in North Dakota. In particular, do not "adopt" orphaned raccoon babies from the wild as they can present a source of infection. Instead, contact your local animal control officer or Fish and Wildlife representative for proper disposition of the animal. Preventative measures Educate the public concerning sources and origin of infection. Prevent contamination of soil by raccoon feces. Remove raccoon feces from contamination sites. Wash hands thoroughly. For more information on this and other topics, see: www.ag.ndsu.nodak.edu -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- V-1227 April 2002 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- County Commissions, North Dakota State University and U.S. Department of Agriculture cooperating. North Dakota State University does not discriminate on the basis of race, color, national origin, religion, sex, disability, age, Vietnam Era Veterans status, sexual orientation, marital status, or public assistance status. Direct inquiries to the Executive Director and Chief Diversity Officer, 202 Old Main, (701) 231-7708. This publication will be made available in alternative formats for people with disabilities upon request, 701 231-7881.
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Post by felixwillford on Jul 16, 2008 19:02:19 GMT -5
www.answers.com/topic/baylisascaris?cat=healthLook at the Loop in the larvae, I have seen the fibers do that. Wikipedia: Baylisascaris Baylisascaris procyonis larvaeBaylisascaris is a genus of roundworms that infest more than fifty animal species. Life cycle Baylisascaris eggs are passed in feces and become active within a month. They can remain viable in the environment for years, withstanding heat and cold. According to University of California, Davis, and the Santa Barbara County Public Health Department, animals become infested either by: Swallowing the eggs, or Eating another animal infested with Baylisascaris. Disease progression After an animal swallows the eggs, the microscopic larvae hatch in the intestine and invade the intestinal wall. If they are in their definitive host they develop for several weeks, then enter the intestinal lumen, mature, mate, and proceed to produce eggs, which are carried out in the fecal stream. If the larvae are in a paratenic host, they break into the bloodstream and enter various organs, particularly the central nervous system. A great deal of damage occurs wherever the larva tries to make a home. In response to the attack, the body attempts to destroy it by walling it off or killing it. The larva moves rapidly to escape, seeking out the liver, eyes, spinal cord or brain. Occasionally they can be found in the heart, lungs, and other organs. Eventually the larva dies and is reabsorbed by the body. In very small species such as mice, it might take only one or two larvae in the brain to be fatal. If the larva does not cause significant damage in vital organs then the victim will show no signs of disease. On the other hand, if it causes behavioral changes by destroying parts of the brain, the host becomes easier prey, bringing the larva into the intestine of a new host. Clinical signs in humans Skin irritations from larvae migrating within the skin. Eye and brain tissue damage due to the random migration of the larvae.
Nausea, a lethargic feeling, incoordination and loss of eyesight. Severe neurological signs including imbalance, circling and abnormal behavior, caused by extensive tissue damage due to larval migration through the brain. Treatment While worming can rid the intestine of adult Baylisascaris, there is no treatment that has been shown to alleviate illness caused by migrating larvae. Baylisascaris species Each Baylisascaris species has a host species that it uses to reproduce. The eggs appear in the host species' feces. They can then be ingested by, and infest, a variety of other animals (including humans) that serve as paratenic hosts. The most common Baylisascaris species are: Baylisascaris procyonis of raccoons Baylisascaris melis of European badgers Baylisascaris transfuga of bears Baylisascaris columnaris of skunks and American badgers Baylisascaris devosi of fishers and martens Baylisascaris laevis of marmots Baylisascaris procyonis Baylisascaris procyonis, the raccoon parasite, is related to the canine roundworm Toxocara canis. It is found in the intestines of raccoons in North America, Japan and Germany. It infests 68 to 82% of some raccoon populations, according to the House Rabbit Society. This parasite can be extremely harmful or deadly to humans. Baylisascaris columnaris Skunks carry Baylisascaris columnaris, a similar species to B. procyonis. Many pet skunks have died from this parasite. According to several skunk experts and Information on Parasites in Skunks by Matt Bolek, Diagnostic Parasitologist, many baby skunks from skunk farms have B. columnaris present in their bodies. The exact proportion of new skunks that are infested is unknown. Since the worms are often at too early a stage in development to begin shedding eggs into the feces, a fecal test may not detect the parasite, and the pet should be pre-emptively treated with wormers (See Pet skunk). Baylisascaris columnaris is not as prevalent as B. procyonis. Bioterrorist potential
According to the Centers for Disease Control, several factors make Baylisascaris procyonis a feasible bioterrorist agent:The organism is ubiquitous in raccoon populations and therefore easy to acquire. [/color] Enormous numbers of eggs can be readily obtained, and these eggs can survive in an infectious form for prolonged periods of time. The eggs can remain viable in a dilute (0.5%-2%) formalin solution for an indefinite period of time. B. procyonis has a relatively small infectious dose. The organism causes a severe, frequently fatal infection in humans. No effective therapy or vaccine exists. The eggs are relatively large and thus would readily be removed by standard filtration methods from municipal water supplies. However, it might be possible to introduce the eggs in smaller water systems, in posttreatment water supplies, or in certain food products.Disease prevention The risk of fecal roundworm transmission makes feeding stray raccoons inadvisable.Careful decontamination procedures need to be performed after contact with animal feces. Baylisascaris eggs can enter the digestive tract of a person who, for instance, removes dung from his property and then eats without thoroughly washing his hands. Baylisascaris are highly resistant to decontamination procedures because of their dense cell walls and sticky surface. They can survive hot or freezing weather and certain chemicals, remaining viable for several years. Rats are a known vector, and rat droppings may deposit the eggs into the carpets and interiors of homes.Bleach can prevent the eggs from sticking, but will not ensure destruction. According to Parasitism in Companion Animals by Olympic Veterinary Hospital, hand washing is an important countermeasure against ingestion, and decontamination of other surfaces is accomplished by thoroughly flaming with a propane torch or treating with lye. According to Bolek, other forms of high heat such as boiling water or steam will accomplish the same result. Children are more likely to be infected than adults because of their tendency to perform geophagy (eating dirt). SourcesOld Rabbit Paralysis Part III: Baylisascaris Procyonis House Rabbit Society Baylisascaris procyonis in Dogs, D. D. Bowman, Department of Microbiology & Immunology, College of Veterinary Medicine, Cornell University, Mar. 11, 2000. Information on Parasites in Skunks by Matt Bolek, Diagnostic Parasitologist (link via InternetArchive, as original page no longer valid). University of California, Davis, and the Santa Barbara County Public Health Department. Parasitism in Companion Animals by Olympic Veterinary Hospital. Raccoon Roundworm by University of Northern British Columbia. Deadly Dung, University of Wisconsin Board of Regents. Baylisascaris procyonis: An Emerging Helminthic Zoonosis, Centers for Disease Control.
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Post by skytroll on Jul 16, 2008 22:27:32 GMT -5
Eventually it dies inside, and is absorbed through body. And the ascaris is bigger, does not say infects skin, only in larva migrans, but for most of us that was ruled out. Isn't larvae migrans a more raised line? I think we would be much sicker, liver wise, and otherwise. However, a study on the ascaris worm in relation to hemoglobin puts another spin on this, evidently they are saying that hemoglobin comes from the ascaris worm, but we carry the blood and oxygen,........where they eat oxygen. We do have less oxygen, don't we, though? If it is a version of the ascaris well then they eat oxygen. well, here is the article......but talking about another kind of ascaris: A team led by Dr. Jonathan Stamler, a Howard Hughes Medical Institute investigator at Duke University Medical Center, believes that the hemoglobin molecule found in the gut of Ascaris lumbriocoides is a remnant of a crucial evolutionary junction in which anaerobic life forms, like bacteria, separated from newly emerging aerobic organisms, such as humans. The worm, in short, reveals that hemoglobin evolved first and foremost to handle the molecule nitric oxide (NO) rather than oxygen, as scientists thought, and tells the tale of when hemoglobin ceased being a "consumer" of oxygen and became a "carrier" of oxygen, Stamler said www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1999/10/991005071327.htmwww.jstor.org/pss/2360782but this is more descriptive and the mention of comparing to use of sol-gel. Distal Heme Pocket Conformers of Carbonmonoxy Derivatives of Ascaris Hemoglobin EVIDENCE OF CONFORMATIONAL TRAPPING IN POROUS SOL-GEL MATRICES* www.jbc.org/cgi/content/full/279/11/10433not just a mere pathogen anymore, but the evidence of mimics is showing up. How do they distinguish if it is a real pathogen? Top parasitologist in nation from Nebraska looked at the specimens, Dr. H. Staninger and said these are not any known pathogen or worm. So, if altered and only one - four genes from the ascaris used, a new species could be formed. And with the substitute heme for blood? or do our capillaries become the gene from the ascaris? scary thought, isn't it? but they are saying our hemoglobin comes from the ascaris. baylisascaris have cell walls, Skytroll
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Post by Carrie♥ on Jul 17, 2008 0:46:45 GMT -5
Just another roundworm... All roundworms can lead to vlm. They make a big flip over that one...don't know why? Our dog and cat roundworms can do the same thing. BUT they only tell you when you are pregnant to be especially careful...? You call your local vet, all ya'll do it and they'll not have anything posted about the importance of covering your sand box at night, the ones your kids play in and inhale the worm egg dust. My Mother would let my daughter clean out the litter box 'til I put her in check about it. Dog's fleas carry their tapeworms stages...I used to get flea bites...ya'll? Dogs lick faces on tv's and in many Americans homes after licking their own ass YET we don't hear about it 'til you have Morgellons and start checkin' the CDC website eh? Racoon roundworm...bring it...just another to add to the list.
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Post by liatris on Jul 17, 2008 2:46:30 GMT -5
Skytroll -
Responding to your statement about how this could not be "it" (my quotes) because our livers would be worse etc. - it did say that some people were asymptomatic so people could be anywhere from asymptomatic to really sick.
My CLM was not raised.
Not all of us have all the same set of parasites anyway - some of us may have this, some of us may not. I do not believe that there is one thing we are looking for.
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Post by liatris on Jul 17, 2008 4:07:17 GMT -5
Just another roundworm... All roundworms can lead to vlm. They make a big flip over that one...don't know why? Our dog and cat roundworms can do the same thing. BUT they only tell you when you are pregnant to be especially careful...? You call your local vet, all ya'll do it and they'll not have anything posted about the importance of covering your sand box at night, the ones your kids play in and inhale the worm egg dust. My Mother would let my daughter clean out the litter box 'til I put her in check about it. Dog's fleas carry their tapeworms stages...I used to get flea bites...ya'll? Dogs lick faces on tv's and in many Americans homes after licking their own ass YET we don't hear about it 'til you have Morgellons and start checkin' the CDC website eh? Racoon roundworm...bring it...just another to add to the list. Carrie - I totally agree - parasites every which way you look and yet "they" (the authorities) only focus on a couple. Kmarie posted a while ago about the estimate the CDC had on how many people were infected with parasites each year because of owning pets - it was a BIG number - and I am sure it was a very conservative one at that. Yep, lick their a s s , eat some other (or their own) dog's s h i t and then lick your face. I really do not understand why people are then surprised when they become unwell. You gotta have a hell of a good immune system for all that to not eventually effect you . If not now, later as you age.
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Post by Carrie♥ on Jul 17, 2008 14:50:57 GMT -5
Liatris I think that is so relevant also. If you are not immune suppressed Mr. Baylis"ascaris"...(see ascaris...we've all got them) will be killed off in your system. IF you are immune suppressed...that is if your fighter cells are bogged down with too many other stuffs right (!?!) the roundworm will do what it wants. The parasites that are not normally in humans are then allowed to infect humans. That's the part of the bio weapon that just floors me...we've got exposure to all the things, naturally that are doing what they are doing to us and is described so well in literature everywhere...well...except that damn fiber! Even skin lesions can be related to kidney failure...which could also be our chards of glass embedded in the skin. Remember the Bad Bug Book? Love that...prime example. One of the differences in Baylisascaris is the extremely durable shell of the egg...it's similar to the cysts of metacercaria. I wonder if an iodine wash would remove the eggs as it does other ascaris eggs? They've got that paratenic host too...almost like intermediate stages of flukes...they are a bit different then the common roundworm but can't help but feel same 'ol same ol'. The Bad Bug Book says the infection rate with Ascaris is high and that also can cause vlm which is very hard on the body yet no one ever knows and you tell your Doc you want to be checked for worms and they wanna check you into the nut ward!?! Eggs found on our veggies...when they've looked. What about all the times they haven't? Ha ha how ironic! Tee hee... "Both infections are diagnosed by finding the typical eggs in the patient's feces; on occasion the larval or adult worms are found in the feces or, especially for Ascaris sp., in the throat, mouth, or nose." Yum and I thought that was just chicken ! "Although no major outbreaks have occurred, there are many individual cases. The occurrence of large numbers of eggs in domestic municipal sewage implies that the infection rate, especially with A. lumbricoides, is high in the U.S." Nuh huh...no way! All here baby...in the good ol' clean booty US of A! But not me 8-)or you huh ! www.cfsan.fda.gov/~mow/chap30.html
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Post by liatris on Jul 18, 2008 22:15:59 GMT -5
Liatris I think that is so relevant also. If you are not immune suppressed Mr. Baylis"ascaris"...(see ascaris...we've all got them) will be killed off in your system. IF you are immune suppressed...that is if your fighter cells are bogged down with too many other stuffs right (!?!) the roundworm will do what it wants. The parasites that are not normally in humans are then allowed to infect humans. That's the part of the bio weapon that just floors me...we've got exposure to all the things, naturally that are doing what they are doing to us and is described so well in literature everywhere...well...except that damn fiber! Even skin lesions can be related to kidney failure...which could also be our chards of glass embedded in the skin. Remember the Bad Bug Book? Love that...prime example. One of the differences in Baylisascaris is the extremely durable shell of the egg...it's similar to the cysts of metacercaria. I wonder if an iodine wash would remove the eggs as it does other ascaris eggs? They've got that paratenic host too...almost like intermediate stages of flukes...they are a bit different then the common roundworm but can't help but feel same 'ol same ol'. The Bad Bug Book says the infection rate with Ascaris is high and that also can cause vlm which is very hard on the body yet no one ever knows and you tell your Doc you want to be checked for worms and they wanna check you into the nut ward!?! Eggs found on our veggies...when they've looked. What about all the times they haven't? Ha ha how ironic! Tee hee... "Both infections are diagnosed by finding the typical eggs in the patient's feces; on occasion the larval or adult worms are found in the feces or, especially for Ascaris sp., in the throat, mouth, or nose." Yum and I thought that was just chicken ! "Although no major outbreaks have occurred, there are many individual cases. The occurrence of large numbers of eggs in domestic municipal sewage implies that the infection rate, especially with A. lumbricoides, is high in the U.S." Nuh huh...no way! All here baby...in the good ol' clean booty US of A! But not me 8-)or you huh ! www.cfsan.fda.gov/~mow/chap30.htmlNuh, uh - not me or you !
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Post by lilsissy on Jul 18, 2008 22:32:16 GMT -5
There was a coded ( terrorist page) with these words repeated in it.
Baylisascaris procyonis
Lilsissy
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Post by skytroll on Jul 18, 2008 22:34:20 GMT -5
There is something so wormy about all this. I agree with the above, that if you mention worms or parasites, the doctors automatically deny it. But, did they run a parasite test..
oh no, you could have cancer, when it is WORMS..........
one diagnosis I got was "hidden colitis" means these buggers could be hiding in the walls, like our Dr. Clark says. love her attitude. Gotta do those colon cleanses and parasite cleanses. But, we can't even get reliable worms tests done, let alone Lymes tests done. What wimpy doctors.
I guess denial after a while become reality, why look when you can name it something else, some kind of syndrome, or complex, or their latest now are things like "you have viral gastritis" How can gas be viral? methane, now is viral? Holy moly.......
There is a wormy creepy crawly and those clear egg like things.........those seem to expand and lengthen. Like worms........ so if cannot or will not label worms, then how the heck would they even attempt to see anything new? They would have no idea..... because the worm collection might not have them registered, after all they only look for a few.
but, they sure look at a lot to alter any species of them, like in the agro nematodes, just add water to the eggs.
Maybe we out to check the worm base again.
We know what we think this could be, and those in the wild, the DNR reports on them but the CDC doesn't pay any attention to them. Wild animals prowl at night, they are in our yards etc.
Denial seems to be a big time operation now.
Thanks for the references to the baylisascaris.......
And Carrie, thanks for the explanations as well.
Sometimes, I can see what they do with the genes of these worms, but, then do not look at what the worms actually do themselves.
Thanks for bringing me back down to earth .... worm........
skytrol
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Post by Carrie♥ on Jul 19, 2008 2:12:19 GMT -5
And Carrie, thanks for the explanations as well. Sometimes, I can see what they do with the genes of these worms, but, then do not look at what the worms actually do themselves. Thanks for bringing me back down to earth .... worm........ skytrol First things first my sistah! We can't even get through the gate with the docs for the simple, known basics...we certainly can't expect to get there with anything more extreme then the flora (ha...get it? worms=flora )!?!
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Post by skytroll on Jul 19, 2008 2:20:56 GMT -5
Carrie,
yup, the natural symbiotic flora.......oh yeah.
all part of the earth aren't we?
Wonder how they treat their worms?
SKytroll
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Post by Carrie♥ on Jul 19, 2008 2:26:18 GMT -5
What...how they treat the earth worms? With their boot! Insensitive bastards ! Oh...no...how they treat their own inhabitant worms. What worms...they ain't got 'em! Your funny Skytroll! Absolutely all part of the earth baby...nothing bigger or better. Nothing smaller or less then...we all just are .
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Post by felixwillford on Jul 19, 2008 12:13:18 GMT -5
What I found most interesting about this (aside from some similarities to morgs) was the simple fact that the CDCactually had it listed on their site while it took nearly FOREVER for them to get (aka Morgellons) on their website. Sad to mention............... no cure either? ?
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Post by felixwillford on Jul 19, 2008 12:19:44 GMT -5
Also the bioterrorism part........................
when I spoke with the Local County Health Doctor, he told me he couldn't say anything until he spoke to someone else.
When the Doc, emailed me.................. he accidently had ( the "someone else's" email address ) on the email he sent to me and it was our Local Bioterrorism cooridinator.
The Doc then had this to say:
" all you can do for now is find someone to help symptoms and I don't think a cure is in our future".
OK....................please................I am not saying this to make people upset or sad.
BECAUSE, I disagree. I do feel there will be some sort of cure or something to keep it from causing more problems for us.
So the fact that the CDC has info on this disease and more information than for MOrgellons.....also mentioning it as a bioterrorism agent and with what happened when I spoke with my Local County Health Physician seems to maybe relate?
JMHO
BTW: I have CLM
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Post by felixwillford on Jul 19, 2008 12:29:00 GMT -5
This part too:
Baylisascaris are highly resistant to decontamination procedures because of their dense cell walls and sticky surface. They can survive hot or freezing weather and certain chemicals, remaining viable for several years. Rats are a known vector, and rat droppings may deposit the eggs into the carpets and interiors of homes.
Suebe once wrote that her MD told her the source would be from either rats or mice.
( correct me if I am misquoting you Sue )
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Post by felixwillford on Jul 19, 2008 12:31:59 GMT -5
Forgot to mention this part too:
"However, it might be possible to introduce the eggs in smaller water systems, in posttreatment water supplies, or in certain food products."
Yes, only conjecture, but as far as we know. No one knows what this is for sure.
This could be just "one part".
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Post by Carrie♥ on Jul 19, 2008 13:06:45 GMT -5
I hear you Kmarie but you know there is no treatment for any VLM regardless of the worm. Even for the very typical roundworms that we are exposed too daily from our pets.
I'd be way worried if the larva of these specific worms didn't migrate through our tissues, again even though all of them can and do-do that...haha not doo-doo! If they had the simple life cycle as the other roundworms and did reach adult egg laying stages in our bowels it may be quite difficult to kill the infective eggs from sewage and treatment plants. But because we'd have to be eating the infective stage (not just the egg but the larval stage that will allow the worm to reach egg laying) of this parasite, not just licking some dirt it's not too likely that there will be a high infected rate pooping the eggs into our toilets, in to the sewage plants. You know what I mean? Unless you eat rabbit, wood chucks and birds that carry the infective larva stages and I don't know if cooking would eventually destroy the cyst and kill the worm 'cause I didn't get that far into it. I'm not being a beotch really! We've got a gang of raccoons here...I saw a couple in the city about a month ago, I mean down by my new job which is only a mile or two from down town!!! So because we've got quite a bit of raccoons around us and it's known those worms are in my state, I studied Baylisascaris pretty throughly when I was an obsessed worm woman on a mission to save the world ;D.
Unless you're talkin' for real bio terrorism like the eggs of these parasites are intentionally implanted into our sewage systems...geeze that would and could be messy. But I also feel that would have to be a serious covert operation that would spread around the whole country, state by state, county by county. There would have to be a lot involved, a lot of bad people involved that would be okay with exposing even their own families to the parasite. That would make me very, very sad.
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Post by lilsissy on Jul 19, 2008 13:12:28 GMT -5
I don't know if you have seen this yet, up to 80% of racoons in Michigan are infected with this, tinyurl.com/5jhb7nAlso I recall some type of biowarfare agent had escaped via a rabbit in another country forgot which a number of years back. lilsissy
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