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Post by godsgrace on Aug 20, 2008 9:03:14 GMT -5
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Post by gradysghostii on Aug 20, 2008 9:32:03 GMT -5
Yes, godsgrace, and Dr. Staninger has reported finding this biodegradeable plastic in us
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Post by gradysghostii on Aug 20, 2008 9:33:34 GMT -5
ha, thanks godgrace, MY OLD THEORY !!
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Post by lilsissy on Aug 20, 2008 10:22:52 GMT -5
grady ,I investigated this last year . I came across it by reading an article on the NYLON eating bug
These were first discovered in a sitting vat of nylon at a nylon factory.
I wrote to the Foresite Institute which is a high level think tank group about Morgellons . I told him I suspected Flavobacterium K (172 ?) which is a nylon eating bug too. He wrote back saying something about a couple he knew who had it and lived by a beach and asked me if I used margerine in the microwave and lived near a oil refinery.
Flavo feeds off of poly ( margerine) also our bodies have natural poly in D.N.A. . Flavo conterts radiation (microwave) by using poly the same way a plant uses chlorphyll to convert sunlight.
His reply to his information about morgellons suggested he suspects this nylon eating bug also.
There was a lot of arguement over the nylon eating bugs orgin between eveloutionists and creationist.
Do a wiki on the nylon eating bacteria a you will find the first history on this.
A happening in my house was when I found a long piece of hair on my microwave door with dark oval growths.
I have wanted to repeat this as an experiment but have not yet.
I would add a little margerine to it amd leave it there for a while see what happens.
And yes I live 2 blocks from Marathon Oil Refinery.
Jennifer
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Post by toni on Aug 20, 2008 10:24:15 GMT -5
I don't know if this is of any help to us (we take one a day) but in the Pseudomonas family ginseng was used in rats as a treatment for Psuedomonas, whereas other prescription meds failed as Psuedomonas sp can be extremely resistant. I know this is for Psuedomonas A (the article below)...but they're all in the same family. On the basis of these results it is suggested that ginseng may have the potential to be a promising natural medicine, in conjunction with other forms of treatment, for CF patients with chronic P. aeruginosa lung infection.Full Text Short article, and there's lots more on the internet too. www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=163833
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Post by gradysghostii on Aug 20, 2008 12:32:21 GMT -5
Jennifer, when I spoke to Dr. Kolb the first thing she asked was if I ever dug in the sand at the beach, I said yes, we dig these massive forts every year me and the family go to Florida, it was then I told her about Ps. Putida, they have used it in the oceans to help clean up oil spills, and remember, Dr. Waymore of the MRF cultured our dear friend, Ps. Putida directly off a morgellon fiber, too bad he didn't have it's DNA sequenced (or did he?)
And toni, thanx, I will read up on Ginseng, it might just be the thing that really helps. Toni, you know those poppers you talk about, my bet is the are the biodegradeable plastic output from the putida. And why fibers and things stop moving after a while, the food source is gone from them (energy).
OH AND ONE MORE THING:
COLLEMBOLA (SPRING TAILS) HAVE A FAVORITE FOOD, YEP, IT'S PUTIDA, THEY LOVE IT. AND SOMEBODY JUST POSTED PICTURES OF COLLEMBOLA FROM HER BODY, AND WE HAVE THE PLASTIC BITS, I'M TELLING YOU PUTIDA IS VERY CLOSE IF NOT IT.
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Post by gradysghostii on Aug 20, 2008 12:44:44 GMT -5
COLLEMBOLA AND THEIR LOVE FOR PS. PUTIDA tinyurl.com/4rqr53Folsomia candida = (Collembola) The most abundant isolate was related to Erwinia amylovora (96.2% DNA sequence similarity to its 16S rRNA gene). F. candida preferred to feed on Pseudomonas putida and three indigenous gut isolates rather than eight different type culture strainsSee the pictures of collembol on this recent lymebusters thread tinyurl.com/6ajkq5I'm telling you folks, it fits all the symptoms TONI, I'D BET MY LIFE AT THE CENTER OF THE POPPERS ARE COLLEMBOLA, LOOK AT THE IMAGES ON THE THREAD ABOVE, YOU CAN SEE THEM FORMED, SCROLL THROUGH THE IMAGES, YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE A SCIENTIST PROOF IT, THE BODY IS ENCAPSULATING THEM AS A FOREIGN ENTITY.
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Post by toni on Aug 20, 2008 14:37:31 GMT -5
Wow...it sure does! Thank you Grady.
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Post by jlk on Aug 27, 2008 20:01:14 GMT -5
Newsletter written by Judy (sorry so long but I do not have it online yet) A textbook I have purchased by Professor Lida Mattman “Cell Wall Deficient Forms – Stealth Pathogens” has become an invaluable resource to me in trying to comprehend what is happening to us in this epidemic condition that is spreading around the world. This report is taken mostly from Chapter 7 of the book. Researchers have proven that many types of bacteria, E. Coli, Strep, Staph, pseudomonas and many others all have been able to modify (pleomorph) into abnormal cells that do not have cell walls – referred to as cell wall deficient forms (CWD) which are variants of classical pathogens. These CWD forms are also referred to as L-forms and mycoplasmas. They are considered stealth pathogens because our immune systems do not recognize them once they have pleomorphed into these CWD forms. Further, antibiotics do not help defeat these CWD forms, to the contrary, Dr. Mattman states that she believes antibiotics are the very cause of many of these CWD forms because when an antibiotic does not fully eradicate a type of pathogen it often preserves itself by mutating into these CWD forms which are then not detected in standard lab test results. It even then becomes resistant to the antibiotic. It requires 2-3 years of perhaps varied kinds of antibiotics to kill CWD forms – if you can find a doctor who knows how to identify them and how to treat them when found. Public health officials are ignoring L-forms yet they have been shown to be a causative factor of disease in as many as 50% of illness when labs tests failed to reveal a known pathogen to be present. The CWD forms do not show up like ordinary pathogens would and they are in our food chain, milk, meat and vegetables (soil) and in our hospitals where infections are prevalent. What public health officials are not addressing is that standard antibiotics will not touch this type of pathogen and worse may even aggravate it when the exact antibiotic specifically known to kill that L-form is not used and if not used for an extended time (2-3 years). Insurance companies will love this one – is that why it is hidden?? The possibility that rodents and other carriers of Salmonella harbor the CWD stage needs to be investigated. Ticks given classical S. typhimurium soon are found to be carrying only the pleomorphic variants. Germ free lab rats inoculated with Shigella sonnei soon become carriers of L-forms of that pathogen. Investigators speculate that a similar situation may occur in man. Water, hamburger, milk and hospitals are great purveyors of these CWD forms. Lab tests can identify classical forms of bacteria but they do not take the necessary steps to also identify these CWD forms which can be 5-10 times greater in number than the classical forms of bacteria. Thus, even when the lab tests come back negative for classical bacteria the individual may be in the infective stages due to a high incidence of CDW forms. These are very resistant to being killed – by anything! Triple sterilized water still had pseudomonas cepacia, pasteurized milk still had CWD forms as did hamburger and tab water. There is further evidence that healthy plants may be carrying pathogens in the L-stages which are human pathogens. (Agrobacterium is now linked to Morgellons - more on this below). The bacteria in this form, if tested, will not be recognized like classical forms, yet the CDW form growing in the plants can infect humans! And insects (bees), and animals …. Catch a heart attack and CWD from your hospital – most certainly: There is confirmed association of Chlamydia pneumoniae as a cause of heart attacks. There is also evidence that suggests that 4-5 months after being hospitalized with such a heart attack patient their roommates come back with heart troubles even if they had no prior history of heart problems! They got infected from their former roommate! The most common water-borne pathogen pseudomonas aeruginosa, in the CWD form can survive in sterile water and even in disinfectants! Triple sterile water was found to have L-forms of granules, budding yeasts, and spherical L-bodies. CWD forms of pseudomonas aeruginos, are in hospitals and causing thousands of deaths due to septicemias because the conventional health system is not or cannot prevent and stop this monster with known antibiotic or disinfection techniques. Other water bugs, in addition to pseudomonas also propagate in the CWD state. A variety of bacteria and fungi propagate in distilled water. When disinfectants used in hospitals to decontaminate instruments were cultured for L-forms results were discouraging – 41% had L-forms! These instruments are used in surgery and are infecting individuals with various kinds of resistant CWD forms! What we have going on here is a massive mutation of classical organisms which are now everywhere and very difficult to identify and even more difficult to treat even if they are identified. They just mutate into an even more resistant organism. Improper use of antibiotics will create these L-forms and now it is proven they survive in disinfectants too! I now understand why there is a GM link in this, as well as viral and bird mites – we are exposed in MANY ways. Mentioned above was a link to agrobacterium and Morgellons read this link: (thanks Pat) www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=9891If you understand what I have reported above – CWD forms are not recognized by conventional lab tests like classical forms of pathogens, CWD forms are just as infective as classical forms but are seldom killed by antibiotics it then becomes apparent why GM plants could well be involved in our disease. As can many other species, mites, pets…. The pleomorph organisms can basically pick up the DNA of about anything and become a vector – that is what happened to all of us in some form or another. We all have a version of this CWD syndrome and it came from the many various possible scenarios as mentioned above. No one can pin point it because it is omnipresent – it is everywhere and in everything! In the globalresearch article it states that the scientists have injected the DNA into plants or whatever and then they kill it with antibiotics before they use it so that is will not be an infective agent. I guess they did not study Dr. Mattmann’s book that specifically has proven time and again antibiotics cause many pathogens to mutate into a very resistant form of infective agent then it is non-detectable by conventional means and it is non-detectable by our immune systems as well. So… that is what is going on here – my present theory anyway. They are not killing it in the GM process and it has spread. I think John Martin’s idea that our cells are forming the fibers may be correct, but they are not the cause of the disease – they are a symptom of diseased cells. The bacteria have mutated into these CWD forms – all stealth pathogens – without cell walls any DNA can become involved in this mutated form. Dr. Mattman has written a whole book explaining how this has been proven time and again but why then did not one of my doctors in 12 years of trying ever do the extended types of tests needed to identify these pathogens? Do they know? Is it too expensive so insurance industry stops it? What?? I certainly do NOT recommend that any of you continue long term antibiotic therapy unless your physician has tested you specifically for these CWD forms and knows exactly which type of antibiotics are required to combat them. Of course, Dr. Lida Mattman did not know about how well essential oils and light therapy can be in fighting off these variants but she said it takes several types of antibiotics and 2-4 years of repeated courses of treatments to get them cleared up and even then failure rate is high. And as a final note - I had a long term pseudomonas infections after Mono in the mid 80's and had to have IV therapy to clear it up....if it was not really cleared up and it mutated that may have been my initial starting point in all this. I also have several failed antibiotic treatments for dental problems - yet another possible mutation of classical pathogens. There is a connection in cell wall deficient organisms and the ability to accept types of recombinant DNA of who knows what that begins this whole thing... somehow this is what is going on.
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Post by gradysghostii on Aug 27, 2008 22:05:55 GMT -5
jlk, fascinating, simply fascinating. Yes, I know how in GM farming they use antibiotics to kill off their concoctions but I’ve also read not only does it not work, but they know it doesn’t. In fact, they don’t even test to see if it does anymore. They just assume it’s harmless or don’t care, not sure.
I really didn’t know much about CWD cells, but your post really educated me and I read it all, and will probably re-read tomorrow. We haven’t corresponded much but I must say I’m very impressed. I think your comments on it being so hard to detect and yet still be so devastating is very poignant. If the truth be known, they could test us for CWD cells (bacteria) and say they find 4 or 5 different ones, they still wouldn’t know if that is causing Morgellons, though having read your post I am strongly considering leaning that way. GM Farming has been high on my list and coincides well with the timeline of Morgellons and the fibers as shown growing on rense lately via time lapse to me strongly points to a plant based adaptation.
Maybe this is why things like oxygen, high PH, light therapy have a good chance at defeating this or making life tolerable for us. If it’s coming from GM farming then they will find these CWD cells in almost everybody, yet we are the ones showing symptoms and this will make the case even harder for us to pinpoint the cause. It could be that the irresponsible industries behind GM farming have created monsters that science won’t even truly be able to identify for decades to come, and or understand their processes. Suffice it to say the CDC has no chance of finding this, assuming they’re even really looking.
We need to talk more, and I think your post above deserves a thread on it’s own. Again, what a brilliant post and thanks for taking the time to post it.
One last thing, are you doing light therapy, if so, how are you doing. I’m doing the all natural route, mostly based on my PH and oxygen and exercise and minerals (potassium/mag) are very important.
- Grady
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Post by lilsissy on Aug 28, 2008 1:45:22 GMT -5
JLK very fasinating indeed, now want a real big riddle read this en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N-AcetylglucosamineThen read my thread making it simple Also the thread it I took cuts from the patent so you don't have to read the whole thing This is gonna blow your mind and twist it at the same time. Let me know what you think I know this is to odd to not be connected But I'm missing something in the puzzel Maybe you will figure it out before me Brain-storming has left me a burnt out!! lilsis
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Post by toni on Aug 30, 2008 9:43:23 GMT -5
I'd posted this months back, but I've since figured out how to post a PDF. www.ermanz.govt.nz/resources/publications/pdfs/ER-GI-05-1.pdfI think that's they're way to keep the pubic not in fear...cause if they said it's in every state, and global, then everyone would be on them. If you don't read this PDF please look at the yellow I've highlighted (at the bottom) so you can see what is in fact. This is from the New Zealand Risk Mgmt Authority. Here's a really infomative PDF. (Risk assessment of horizontal gene transfer from GM plants) This material is from the Chief Executive of the New Zealand Environmental Risk Mgmt Authority regarding the GMO foods/crops. This article states much more than I've quoted here: Risk assessment of horizontal gene transfer from GM plants to bacteria and human cells GENERIC ISSUES REPORT (((There is potential for transgenes to migrate from GM plants to microorganisms in the guts of animals or humans that CONSUME them or to migrate to animal or human tissues.)))
(Heritage, 2005). It has been estimated that humans ingest between 0.1 and one gram DNA, once it has been introduced into the recipient organism, it is :
indistinguishable from the host's DNA in it's physical and chemical properties and behaves identically! It seems New Zealand where food is concerned is much more open about findings. Kmarie, if you see this, do you remember that article you posted about the (tv segment) from Good Morning America I think it was, that they tested the news person's hair, and it was full of corn DNA? It was as though (sort of an admittance) that we are what we eat...is what I got from that - whereas we really shouldn't be - we should get the nutrients from our foods, not the foods DNA integrated with ours. And this too: www.econexus.info/pdf/Horizontal-Genes-virus-2004.pdf
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Post by gradysghostii on Aug 30, 2008 10:49:13 GMT -5
AGROBACTERIUM IS ONE OF THE FEW THINGS THAT CAN MAKE THE CROSS KINGDOM JUMP FROM PLANT TO ANIMAL. "Tumor-Causing Plant Bacteria May Infect Human Cells" Emma Patten Reuters Health News January 31, 2001 NEW YORK - A soil bacterium that causes lumpy tumors on plants may be able to 'jump kingdoms' and insert its tumor-causing DNA into human cells, new research findings suggest. The bacterium, called Agrobacterium tumefaciens, contains a small piece of DNA that can insert itself into the DNA of a host cell and initiate a tumor. Agrobacterium is already known to cause plant tumors, but researchers wanted to test whether the bacterium could similarly insert its DNA into human cells. Dr. Vitaly Citovsky from the State University of New York, Stony Brook, and colleagues found that the plant bacterium was able to attach to human cells and insert its DNA into human cells just as it does with plant cells. Whether Agrobacterium is dangerous to humans is unclear, however. "Here (insertion of DNA into) human cells has been observed in laboratory conditions; whether it may be relevant biologically in nature remains unknown," the researchers note in the current early edition of the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. "Our experiments were done under laboratory conditions," Citovsky told Reuters Health. "In nature, I do not believe Agrobacterium represents a danger. However, for people who work with large concentrations of this bacterium, for example researchers or certain agricultural workers who deal with heavily infected plants, it may be prudent to be careful or at least aware,'' he said. One implication of this study, said Citovsky, is the potential for genetic flow between bacteria and animals. Another implication is that the basic biochemical and cellular reactions involved in the Agrobacterium-plant cell interaction probably exist in the animal kingdom as well. "Presently, it appears that Agrobacterium is the only example of trans-kingdom DNA transfer," Citovsky said. "I do not rule out other possibilities but there are no data. Of course, what can be done once, can almost always be done again," he added. SOURCE: Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences Early Edition From The Institute of Science in Society Until quite recently, the genetic engineering community has assumed that Agrobacterium does not infect animal cells, and certainly would not transfer genes into them. But this has been proved wrong.A paper published earlier this year reports that T-DNA can be transferred to the chromosomes of human cancer cells [1]. In fact, Agrobacterium attaches to and genetically transforms several types of human cells. The researchers found that in stably transformed HeLa cells, the integration event occurred at the right border of the Ti plasmid's T-DNA, exactly as would happen when it is being transferred into a plant cell genome. This suggests that Agrobacterium transforms human cells by a mechanism similar to that which it uses for transformation of plants cells. See depts.washington.edu/agro/
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Post by toni on Aug 30, 2008 11:06:58 GMT -5
Yes, isn't that something. Thanks Grady.
You know, I don't remember what year it was, but you might remember the incident. (BUNK) gmo corn that was totally deformed (from GMO)...a boo-boo, and un-edible for humans, was fed to cattle or pigs or both.
They then put that meat on the market for human consumption. I only shake my head in the thoughts of that, cause that move was beyond words. To me what's the difference of feeding us Mad Cow diseased meat?
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Post by jlk on Sept 1, 2008 11:53:44 GMT -5
Toni - your pdf article is the answer to many of the common links in all this mess - thank you so much for posting it. The reason some of us get "it" and others do not is "leaky gut syndrome". I just printed out the pdf article and have not even completed it yet but I see myself in it over and over... I have had CWD type of pseudomas ongoing, I have had a digestion issue GERD and likely leaky gut syndrome for years also... mice and pigs were studied (per pdf article) showing that GM organisms can transfer through the gut walls when the digestive system does not break down the DNA. People with properly functioning digestive systems more than likely kill the organisms in GM foods but those of us whose digestive systems are less then perfect, lack proper enzymes and bacteria (killed off by all the antibiotics we were given to try to heal us!!) are able to be infected by the GM foods carrying all kinds of DNA of many types of pathogens. Further, what it says is that bugs that are eating the soil or plants involved in the GM foods also can be harboring the various pathogens and it thus is now in the soil, and bugs and the water....Vectors of GM pathogens can also be viruses. Once an animal (human) has been infected with GM food pathogen it can be passed thru placenta to fetus so it is being passed to offspring before birth (at least it did in mice/pigs...so likely humans too). So there we have it.... messing with Mother Nature has now caused this multi-fauceted disease to be in those of us who have a compromised immune system, a less than perfect digestive system - which gets the organism into our blood, liver and spleen (per pdf article) and yes it is everywhere because they tested for it (DNA of infectious agent) after feeding GM corn and the findings showed that it is in the cow meat and cows milk, it is in chicken meat (but not eggs) it is in all GM foods unless it has undergone extensive processing and heat treatment which breaks down DNA. (making it not infectious and also not nutritious - which is also going to be why they will irradiate all our food!)
Well we have our ecosystem in a fine fix - THANKS to MONSANTO! This may not be stopable. The bugs are out of the bag - the cell wall bag that once contained them and prevented cross species mutation has now been broken. The levies are broken - just like what is happening in New Orleans right now as I write this - and there ain't no stoppin this spread now.
Please people - use essential oils, use things to fix your gut flora - we are eating this, getting bitten by bugs carrying the disease, it is in our milk, our meat, on our plants and our defense must be within our own systems. We have to find a way to kill it before our gut leaks it into our blood stream. No more GM foods - organic milk, organic eggs, organic everything - or we die!! It costs so much more - so eat less - that is what I am going to be doing.
God help us all - we have been destroyed by the greed and mindless scientists who will keep this information from getting to the masses.
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Post by jlk on Sept 1, 2008 16:25:08 GMT -5
After reading the entire New Zealand pdf article linked above and getting very upset over our lack of government protection I had to do a little more online research to learn if all of our GM food is labeled. The good ole' boy former Pres. George Bush gave Monsanto who produces 90% of the GM foods a complete free ride and they do not have to label or test for organisms that may be cause harm or disease in our food chain. Read this article please: www.naturalnews.com/023539.html
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Post by jlk on Sept 1, 2008 16:27:57 GMT -5
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