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Post by robertalouise26 on Feb 8, 2009 23:31:42 GMT -5
Dearest bannamy I think that Kamm is really really on to something and you have picked it up too. But does anyone have any idea of the ramifaction of trhis. Wood, trees wood pulp and what that entails? Everything made of aper. Bandages sticking plaster etc etc etc etc. I am wear leather splints on both hands but the inside iot is lined something like felt. I waswh them every second day but they make my arms itch like hell. I spray them with cheap perfume from the dollar shop it is the alcohol in the erfume that helps the itches. If you really start thinking about trees and wood pulp there is bank notes i DON'T NEED TO SAY ANYMORE BECAUSE ALL OF YOU WILL PICK UP ON WHAT i HAVE SAID. Much much love and hugs. Roberta. ps anyone please tell me if you think that this a balmy idea or thought
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Post by kammy on Feb 9, 2009 19:14:41 GMT -5
Hi Bannanny,
I just read your questions about your California Pepper Trees and I haven't really thought about how the trees around us in our environment are affecting our Morgellons. Or the soil, if we come into contact with it, eating a bowl of corn flakes, or breathing the chemtrail fumes... I believe what's happened is - we are showing the affects of these natural and unnatural pathogens that are living inside us. And, that any other extra pathogen we add to the mix that's already happening inside us, makes us sicker.
It's as if, one or more of our organs is a "holding place" for the Morgellons pathogens and our natural immune system defenses are trying to eliminate it the best it knows how - through our skin. It's on the inside, trying to come out. However, it can't get out fast enough because of how it is 'programmed' to thrive, grow and multiply, it appears to be a mixture of natural and unnatural things, definitely something man-made or lab created.
However, most of us believe that Morgellons is 'systemic', meaning everywhere in our bodies, most likely living in the blood, but it might have a particular place or organ that it likes living in better than others? Today, I was thinking - 'If this is true, where does Morgellons 'live' or reside in our bodies?' If we knew a specific organ to look at, then we could go to that specialist, and make getting treatment easier?
If you're that sensitive to the energy coming from or off your Pepper Trees, I would assume, that you'd be sensitive no matter where you lived? Because, for instance, pollen from pine can travel 100 miles in the wind before it lands. Where would you move to that would be safe from GM modified trees, and how would you know that there were none around within a 100 miles? And, from the sounds of your limited income that any move away from where you are - would only cause more financial stress, which you don't need?
We know a little about how natural tree allergens affect us, but we know nothing about how GM or bio-engineered tree particles affect humans and probably neither do the scientists who are creating these 'things'. And, did you see where I posted earlier about how the forest scientists don't even have to disclose what they are doing - they can just put 'CBI' - 'confidential business information', and we may never know what all they've done so far?
I don't know what all is going on with the land or property where you are, Bannanny? Are you near some sort of known environmental hazard? What do you think the Pepper Trees are emitting, or what is it about them, that is making you sicker?
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Post by kammy on Feb 10, 2009 2:01:19 GMT -5
Yes, I remember an old post where someone mentioned that the only place those fiber colors looked familiar was in our newly printed money. Someone might want to shred a small piece of money to see what it looks like?
I was thinking that Jill was messing with a lot of tissue paper and wondered about her handling so much of it - and wondered if she shouldn't wear latex gloves?
We just don't know much about these fibers yet, except that they are mysteriously in our bodies coming out through our skin!!
I think all of us who are sick with Morgellons - need to strive to NOT use the fluffier toilet papers until we know more? (and possibly, also the ones with Aloe...?) and to handle it as little as possible. And, be aware that when you snap it - tear it off - it is putting tiny particles of fibers in the air for you to breathe, gently and slowly tear the paper to keep this to a minimum and keep your face from being close to it when you do this.
Me and my friend looked at one brand of paper towels, they did NOT seem to have the Morgellons fibers.
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Post by robertalouise26 on Feb 10, 2009 4:35:51 GMT -5
Dear Kammy your observations could have large repercussions. Like anything made from wood pulp. I have a lesion on my right elbow that has to be dressed by a home visiting nurse. I found fibres in the bandage and dressing. I think that you are very right with paper money even tho over here in NZ our paper money is different colours for each denomination but all contain fibres. Look at how many people handle paper money world wide day and night!!!!! I have leather splints on both fingers and wrists. They are lined with some sort of fluffy stuff I honestly don't know what is made of but the itching has been driving me nuts!!!!! I can pull a lot of the fluff from inside the splint and they are full of fibres that move!!!! I strongly believe that these fibres are NOT resistant to alcohol so I use any cream lotion plus dettol and bleach. With the splints I spray perfume liberally into the inside of the splints and I get almost instant relief. Perfume contains a lot of alcohol .. I buy cheap perfume from the dollar shop. I hope that many many people take notice of what you have said!!!!!!!!!!! Love and very best wishes. Roberta. ps Thank you sooooo much for bringing this to our attention. R.
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Post by kammy on Feb 10, 2009 9:56:19 GMT -5
Part 8 of: Horizonital Inheritance with GM Trees and Toilet Paper Causing Morgellons Fibers and Disease
RECOMBINANT DNA
This is a quick video below on recombinant DNA. You may ask, 'What the heck is that? We didn't sign up for a biology, chemisty, physics class here, nor to have to go out and buy microscopes and learn all this stuff'. And, I feel the same way, too. However, we've been forced to stop and look at Morgellons - because, noone else is. And, if we can collectively figure out what's happened from what we know to be true and what's happening to our bodies and can relay that to someone who can understand it or do something about it - that is why we are here. We need answers and hopefully can lay out something intelligent to take to our scientists? Anyway, I understand the nature of man. Man learns something, like, how to splice a gene and then that knowledge is not enough. Man has to go further to try and add something new to the equation. In science, you gain fame from discovering new things. A process or a new species that might have your name on it? Wow! That's one of the highest awards you can achieve... Not to say that this part of my theory is easily proved or translated to someone that they might understand, but, it makes sense that something in this second video below has happened here. We have the "BT" agrobacterium going out of control inside the tree to the point of becoming a "BT toxin", as we learned in the last tree video we watched. And, the nature of our lesions resemble round, black BT 'buttons'. You remember from your high school biology where bacteria make another one of themselves when they reproduce, one turns into two, two into four, etc.? Ok. What are these forest geneticists trying to do by modifying genes? Well, they are trying to alter the wood to make it softer so that in the pulp making process, they don't have to use as much of the chemicals that helps break the wood down into pulp. That these chemicals they use are not benefical to the environment and this sounds like a worthy mission? However, if the pollen from one of these weaker wood trees pollinates a natural tree and so on... what effects will weaker wood trees eventually have on all trees of that type? And, the number one question should be - what affect will the pollen of this modified tree have on man and let us not forget - the bees? And, what else are they trying to do? They are trying to kill the tree's enemies - bugs. We've all noticed there is a 'bug-like' quality to our Morgellons? Well - who knows what they've done? If they can take fish genes and splice them and put them in trees, and I ask, why on earth would they do that to begin with? I have noticed that there are some marine (from the sea) parasite qualities to Morgellons, I don't know if this is a concidence that these parasites have Morgellons characteristics or not? But, the only parasite I can find that creates a biofilm is a marine parasite. However, bacteria can also create a biofilm, but bacteria, aren't necessarily considered parasites? This is where we need an advanced biology person to come in here to look and comment. You've heard where some have commented that our DNA has been hijacked? What does that mean? I'm theorizing that one of our 'stairs' has been changed or a new stair has been added, I think this very short video can help you understand it a little better: www.youtube.com/watch?v=qy8dk5iS1f0&NR=1And now... I'm suggesting that "Bt" or "Bs" is the 'carrier', of this new 'stair'. www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2jUMG2E-ic&feature=rec-HM-r2You see, they have taken something that's found in nature - 'BT', that is "GRAS" (generally regarded as safe) and modified it - to where it is not safe any longer, and we're living proof of that. Why? Because man can't leave well enough alone, our curious, God-given nature dictates that we have to experiment and branch out further than we did before.
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Post by gradysghostii on Feb 10, 2009 14:26:22 GMT -5
Tammy, you're so close, we know bacteria can grow fibers or filaments. These videos are time lapsed over an 8 minute period, many here have seen them before, but I thought I would post them here. Motions caused by the growth of Bacillus subtilis macrofibres in fluid medium result in new forms of movement of the multicellular structures over solid surfacesA terminal loop rolling over a glass surfaceDual view images of a large ball structure perching on 'legs' and being moved by contact of the large peripheral fibres that originate at the periphery of the ball A pivoting small ball structure viewed from above. The Full Link mic.sgmjournals.org/cgi/content/full/147/4/929/DC1Save this to disk in case it disappears. What do you think fibers growing like this would feel like under your skin? EXACTLY
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Post by rhorn2006 on Feb 10, 2009 23:18:14 GMT -5
Mankind has advanced so much, that we can always find a way to make loads of money, through the total eradication of all life on earth!! "Advancement and Destruction" ,,,, You cant have one without the other.. You would think that the minds capable of the worlds greatest achievements, would be smart enough to understand that with every "monumental advancement" they make,, there is the potential for its causing the same level of "monumental destruction" somewhere else.. The sad part is, they knew what would happen before doing anything at all, and chose our unending torment for us,, for money.. Its a sick world!!
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Post by kammy on Feb 11, 2009 1:16:44 GMT -5
Wow! Paper, thanks for the 'show'... I read somewhere, correct me if I'm wrong - that geneticists started with the one bacillus "BT" and put it in our food as a natural pesticide and now they are using 20 something different ones from the bacillus family? And, none of these have to be reported, recorded... monitored... and especially you don't have to be told what you're eating...
Yes, I noticed that too, Paper, that a lot of the links in our posts - simply disappear? I saw one the other day that completely changed their content. Hmmm?
"Bacillus thuringiensis or B.t., or c, is a naturally occurring bacterium that produces crystal proteins that are lethal to insect larvae."
Well... if "BT" is a pesticide - and we just learned that sprayed pesticide combining hasn't been tested to see what effects it has on humans and especially, long term effects? How much do we wager that these different types and mixtures of these 20 something bacillus have NOT been tested, either?
I know I'm close, Paper... I wish some smart scientist would come in here and steal everything or parts of what I've written and take credit for it - I don't care about that... I just want to know the truth or something close to it. Having Morgellons has been the most incredulous period of my life, I just want our "Twilight Zone" world to end so that we can find out what's happened to us, so we can stop doing it, and get well.
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Post by kammy on Feb 11, 2009 1:21:44 GMT -5
The sad part is, they knew what would happen before doing anything at all, and chose our unending torment for us,, for money..( Yes, R., it is a sad world. I don't think anyone - even our most brilliant minds could have predicted what has happened to us. There are just too many variables involved in playing "God".
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Post by gradysghostii on Feb 12, 2009 12:42:48 GMT -5
kammy, you didn't find those moving fibers interesting? or had you seen them before?
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Post by kammy on Feb 12, 2009 22:45:04 GMT -5
kammy, you didn't find those moving fibers interesting? or had you seen them before? Yes, of course, Paper, I found them very interesting! I just didn't know what to say about them, because I hadn't read the full text abstract at: mic.sgmjournals.org/cgi/content/full/147/4/929. I have a idea about them, but, I haven't researched it yet. I'm trying to put factual information out here, as possible. Anything I would say about them right now - would be partial and a guess. And, no, I hadn't seen these particular videos before, but, wasn't the least bit surprised! Most of us Morgies have witnessed the movement of the 'unusual hairs'? I know I have held a 'Morgie hair' in my hand and then tried to touch it with a finger on the other hand... and can see where it will be attracted to my finger and the hair will move. I thought, well... this could just be because of static electricity? I've noticed other bizarre 'electric' properties happening with certain parts of the Morgie debris that appear to have some sort of electric 'charge' to them. But, since these fibers in these videos aren't in contact with the human touch - it eliminates the human electric energy/static electricity factor. My initial thoughts from just viewing some of the 66 articles at PubMed: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14990263?ordinalpos=1&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DefaultReportPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSumit seems that scientists have been manipulating Bacillus subtilis for some time. Most all of these articles contain information about what happens in the growth of the spirals in different mediums, etc. I looked at these 66 article titles trying to find one that dealt with what slows it down or kills it, which I don't see. Alright, they've created it, now what are they going to do with it? I suspect that they might have injected 'Bs' into trees at one time or possibly presently, to see what the effects might be? And, also, I wouldn't be surprised one bit - that they eventually disclose that the Morgellon fibers are made up wholely or partially of Bacillus subtilis, one of its mutations, or something real darn close! What are your thoughts, Paper?
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Post by robertalouise26 on Feb 12, 2009 23:13:48 GMT -5
Dear Kammy I really feel that you are on to something re the paper. In the back of mind for years now is that I think that the paper used in my cigarettes has something to do with fibers and bacteria.I think that only some people are affected by it or else it would be world wide. Then again it could be the tobacco. I am very very interested in your posts. Thank you so much. Love and best wishes. Roberta.
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Post by kammy on Feb 13, 2009 20:50:08 GMT -5
Hi Roberta,
I've been a smoker on and off for 30 some years, quit for 10 and started back like a fool several years ago and know that I need to quit soon in order to get better, quicker. There is a thread on one of the sites dedicated to tobacco usage and how it relates to Morgellons. They polled each other in the thread to see who was a smoker or in contact with second hand smoke, etc., and, from what I recall, most were non smokers and had very little to no contact with it in their everyday lives. There are a lot of children with Morgellons too, that have naturally, never smoked.
I quit recently for about 6 days, and I noticed that my symptoms weren't as great, I felt better, etc. However, I backslid and the first cigarette I smoked after quitting these few days - it was like taking a very powerful drug, I couldn't even walk straight!
At that time, I didn't realize the extent of how much pesticides I'm probably ingesting or putting against my skin... etc., and I know that tobacco is heavily sprayed with pesticides. And, who knows, it might be "Round Up Ready" too... or genetically altered, or "BT'ed"? Why not, everything else is?
So, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that... 'Hey! It's more than likely true - that if you're smoking or in contact with second hand smoke with your Morgellons, you probably won't get well very quickly!'
I don't necessarily think that tobacco is the cause of Morgellons - because, more people would have it. I think what we're dealing with is a combo of pathogens that are common in our products that's causing our disease and symptoms. The food scientists are putting "Bt" this and many others of the bacillus family in our food with the foods not even labeled as vegetables, they are pesticides, the forest genetists are putting pesticides and "Bt" this and that in our paper, and other 'strange' things to combat insects.
The food guy isn't talking to the forest guy! They aren't comparing notes nor running tests with each others 'creations' to see what these combinations do!!!
Then add a few other speciality fields... like skin care products, anything that goes onto the skin. Cotton cosmetic pads, nanotechnology with our lotions and creams - the particles are smaller than the skin cells so they get into our bodies faster and quicker than they ever have now! Even with something as innocent as our suntan lotions... Scientists don't know enough about nanotechnology yet to know what these particles do when they get inside the human body, but they are moving forward and producing these products anyway, there's very little regulations.
You can bet the food and forest guy definately are NOT comparing notes with the cosmetic or skin care scientists? Then add the fabric/cotton producing industry... and then add the tobacco grower scientists... however, I believe the source of what's made us sick is in our toilet paper and possibly a few other products that still are or might have been contaminated at one time... and all these 'others' are just adding to, triggering, and/or keeping us sick. Thoughts anyone?
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Post by robertalouise26 on Feb 13, 2009 23:18:51 GMT -5
Dear Kammy thank you for all the information. I think that you are very brave trying to give up smoking. I would go around the bend if I didn't have my smokes. I hope you have a happy Valentines Day and a great weekend. Love and best wishes. Roberta.
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Post by kammy on Feb 14, 2009 13:34:58 GMT -5
TY, Roberta... I haven't laid them down completely yet - but, it needs to happen soon, that much I know!
I just noticed you're in New Zealand and was wondering, without naming brands, if New Zealand imports their toilet paper from America or China? Do you know how much tree modification has happened there over the past years? Just wondering... I've such a curious mind.
Happy Valentine's to all!
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Post by kammy on Feb 14, 2009 15:57:49 GMT -5
Here's a world map of reported Morgellons victims. It's near the bottom of the page. Notice that Canada is not reporting this except just right over the border in a couple of spots? Hmmmm? Do we have anyone from Canada here to tell us if you produce your own toilet paper there and if you can find info if your forest geneticists have been manipulating your trees that go into the production of your paper? Or anyone who's traveled to Canada that can report if you noticed that their paper is different from ours, the brands, etc.? Just wondering? morgellons-sanctum.org/forum/
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Post by felixwillford on Feb 14, 2009 16:08:11 GMT -5
Isn't that the map that TamTam from Silent superbug had on his site? It's been on the net for a while.
Kammy,
mfromcanada is a member here from Canada.
There could be more but she is one who does post.
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Post by bannanny on Feb 14, 2009 20:03:48 GMT -5
Hey kam, Sorry, been gone a few days is why I didn't get back sooner. But yeah, it seems just about everything we come into contact with in the environment anymore (like the Pepper Trees) activates this freakin thing in us. I feel it pretty much everywhere I go. I even see it now in food so much that I don't enjoy eating anymore... and I so loved to relax and eat a good meal. Now I eat real fast so I don't have a chance to look at what I'm eating. This thing needs a swift kick in the butt into the outer limits of the twilight zone where it belongs. [glow=red,2,300]I agree morgs is man made too, which is why nothing (so far) kills it. It wasn't born from a natural life process which right there tells us why nothing will. You can't kill something that was never "alive" in the first place ya know?[/glow] I know it's systemic and I know it's in my blood. You can see what I call "gel pockets" under my skin. They look like little baloons that branch right off from my veins and they're the same color (most of the time.) If I press down and slowly start to push away from one, I feel a trail that's been made leading away from it... a trail full of electricity too. My finger will fall right into it and I can follow it if I keep just the right amount of pressure on it. But the trails go thu my entire body, head to toe. So from what you were saying about finding a specialist for specific organs or a certain place in the body it likes living in better than others... maybe we should just give a blood specialist a go at it eh? What you said about the "CBI"... same goes for too many things these days. Did you know a doctor can place a chip in a patient during surgery and not have to disclose the fact that he did? I read that and wondered if that's how the chip got into me that I removed... but more than likely it's morg related. (also have pix of my chip which had the ability to change not only in color but in structure as well... if you'd like to see those as well as the growth occurring on my scope base, let me know.) It's getting pathetic the things they get away with anymore tho. You made a very good point about my moving. But I feel if I were to start over somewhere knowing what I know now, I'd have the upper hand I never had here from the beginning. At least I'd have a better shot at fighting it as far as my own personal environment went ya know? But it's not important cuz I certainly can't get up and move any time soon. I was never sensitive to the Pepper trees tho kammy, not until my first year into morgs. I'm just sensitive to this morg mess over all and I started feeling it on and in things more and more. Now I feel it and see it everywhere and some places or things seem to have more of the energy it possesses than others. But it's pretty intense with me... it's a heightened sensitivity or a heightened sense of awareness you could say. I was born that way, oh lucky me. I don't live near an environmental hazard, but within a 200 mile radius is Edwards AFB to the east, Vandenberg AFB to the west, Locheed to the south and "Skunk Works" to the north. Skunk Works being the closest... it's a high priority top secret kind of testing facility hidden in a canyon near the Tehachapis. Can't get within the outer most fencing before an armed guard appears out of nowhere. Pretty strange place. I'm also in a canyon where the San Andreas fault line runs beneath it, there's a power plant 2 miles up the canyon where the Calif aqueduct runs thru, and this was the first place ever to have power poles run to it. The winds blow at high speeds too... 60-75 MPH is considered normal for this canyon. So I guess you could say there's alot of energy gathered here. It could have something to do with how intense the electrical sensations are for me, I dunno. But making me "sicker" still doesn't seem right to me when I describe what's happening. I feel pretty bad, but the intensity of it has become so much more extreme than the sickness part of it and it continues to with each day. The gel is what's so electrical... if I can push it out thru the tips of my fingers, it forms the sticky transparent strands or it forms into a pod. I can't wear socks much and I always wear crocks. There's so much gel oozing outta my feet that when it does my crocks even sound slushy when I walk... it's gross. But anyway, I'm always taking them off to clean them and my feet up. The only problem with doing that is it activates the stuff in my hands as well and I can't get anywhere! But when it comes out, it will either harden to a yellowish crusty paste with sharp black fibers running thru it, or it turns florescent green and remains a blob of sticky goo. I have a real green thing goin on... in the past 6 months, my fingernails were green for a bit, I have the Jolly Green goobers from my feet and I cough up green stuff. Like I said on a different thread... it must be the morgie way of goin green. But goin back to the TP and paper towels, or any paper product as far as it goes for me... this stuff's in all of it. I can't even be around paper or I feel it comin off of it. I miss my paper towels more than I can say and the TP thing I don't even wanna talk about! Watched the videos of the recombinant DNA and I actually learned something. What great videos they are kammy! I pick up on anything but as far as being science minded... that's not somethin you'd probably ever find in any DNA of mine. Thanks for posting the links for all those videos... very cool. The best part of them to me is they're about the things we talk about that I've never really been able to compute until now. I communicated with Dr. Mendelsen many times about his findings on the B. Sub macrofibers he discovered. I was certain they were a part of morgs... (BTW "Paper" isn't his name kammy, it's "GradysGhost"... thought you'd wanna know that!) But anyway, I (like you Grady) still believe B. Sub macrofibers are a part of the morg mix. He always used to reply to my emails, but lately he's changed his tune... don't know why. Maybe he was told to avoid the subject, ya never know. Here's a pic of a little something I removed from my bod that totally resembles the B. sub tho.... Here's a video of the same pod with a moving fiber... The smoking thing... I do and it seems many of us here are smokers. I know the stuff's in my cigs even tho I put them in a zipper bag (like a make-up bag) and keep that in the freezer! But it's even in the freezer. Also, you talk about the nano particles being able to slip right thru the skin cells... the little suckers are smaller than the molecules that make up glass and wood, etc. as well. They slip right thru those too so they're able to permeate most any surface out there. That's the way I see it and that's why everything is contaminated with the stuff and who knows how to reverse that kind of action. Well kam, I told ya I can be real long winded! I love your thread tho... it's brilliant to say the least! I'm so grateful you're here with your brilliant mind and all too! hugs ~~ bannanny
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Post by robertalouise26 on Feb 14, 2009 20:38:48 GMT -5
Hi there Kammy I have just taken a look at a packet of our toilet paper, it is made in NZ. We have very large pine forrests I don't know wether they have been GE modified but it does say that it is made from renewable resources and waste paper from the manufacturing process is recycled so we really don't know what it contains. Sorry that I haven't been much help. Love and best wishes. Roberta.
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Post by robertalouise26 on Feb 14, 2009 21:00:26 GMT -5
Dearest bananny I am just soo leased that you say they are in your smokes and frisge an I know that they are in the micowave but I think that it kills them. The wretched things are everywhere in the house!!! My daughter moved me about 10 yearsn ago hooing that a new enviroment would help me. I didn't think that it would as I carry them on and in me and my dog carries them in her coat. Sure enough two weeks after moving inevery thing started up again. When moving we threw out nso much stuff ut it came in my clothes and everything else. I have had heard that "tenting" is the only way to irradicate this "thing" But is outrageously expensive. Hope you have a great weekend. Much love and hugs. Roberta. ps One thing that did help was when I went and stayed at my daughters. My house was obviously closed up and I put flea bombs off in every room. Opened the wardrobe, linen cupboard and hot water cupboard. The bombs are not just for fleas which I didn't have but for all creepy crawly things. I stayed away for about seven weeks. Tho you don't need to do that. They say a couple of hours but I would recommend 8 hours at least. R.
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