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Post by kammy on Feb 7, 2009 2:01:09 GMT -5
Maybe the goo is tree sap, we're freakin turning into plants. (*smile)... Hello Grady - your post made me smile. Except I think you have it backwards... they're turning us into plants!
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Post by kammy on Feb 7, 2009 4:21:21 GMT -5
Definitions and Dangers: www.rfu.org/navigation/Librarydocs/Millwatch/MW2006GETrees2.htm"A genetically modified tree is one that has had its genetic material altered through any method, including conventional breeding. A genetically engineered tree is one that has been modified using techniques that permit the direct transfer of genes to that organism. Collectively these techniques are called recombinant DNA technology. A transgenic tree has been genetically engineered using genes from another genus. Transgenic trees, however, have been genetically engineered to contain DNA from an external source. They have undergone a genetic alteration or modification whereby specific genes have been added or removed to produce a unique genetic combination that is expressed in the tree. Genetic modification includes selecting genes from different species (or kingdoms) and re-mixing them to produce novel traits not found in the tree’s wild relatives and not previously seen in its species."
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Post by kammy on Feb 7, 2009 4:27:44 GMT -5
"For the first time, we have the ability to put a bacteria or even a fish gene into a tree," says Robert Jackson (I wonder if China is manufacturing our toilet paper?) www.usatoday.com/tech/news/biotech/2005-03-10-china-bio-trees_x.htm?csp=36---------------------------------------------------------------- August 3, 2000 www.organicconsumers.org/patent/frankentrees.cfmOpponents fear that biotech trees, to which scientists have added genes from bacteria, chickens and even humans, will provide poor habitats for beneficial insects and birds, transforming biologically diverse woodlands into sterile "Frankenforests." "it's impossible to say exactly what scientists are putting into the trees. Although APHIS's Web site summarizes every application for field tests, many say simply "CBI," for "confidential business information," in the column that is supposed to describe which gene is being studied and which organism it came from." USDA scientists, for example, recently created a plum containing viral DNA that makes the fruit resistant to plum pox, a fruit-deforming disease that has cost growers millions of dollars in Europe and arrived in the United States last fall. "The trees essentially vaccinate themselves," said Ralph Scorza. (Is this what's happening to the bees?): "They're asking whether genetically altered trees will cause allergies in people not usually bothered by tree pollen. And they wonder what will happen to the birds, insects and other wildlife that depend on tree pollen, nectar and seeds if scientists plant large expanses of sterile trees whose reproductive energies have been diverted to fuel extra growth. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Some other articles: www.lwv-fairfax.org/pdf_study_folder/bio_eng.pdfwww.thecampaign.org/education/brochure_trees.php
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Post by Jill on Feb 7, 2009 17:42:06 GMT -5
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Post by felixwillford on Feb 7, 2009 18:05:32 GMT -5
good video there jill
hey.............. I don't spend much time looking at TP in the grocery story, but, I just now though after watching that video that I don't see those bright pinks, greens and blues anymore. I always buy white and now I don't even know if colored TP exist anymore.
Haven't seen it lately?
I look today when I am at the store.
It appears we are getting contaminated from both ends ( food and TP )
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Post by ibzahp on Feb 7, 2009 20:27:15 GMT -5
fascinating, maybe this is the cause or one of the causes of our misery!
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Post by kammy on Feb 8, 2009 2:30:45 GMT -5
WELL? HAS ANYONE BESIDES ME, LOOKED AT THEIR TP, YET?
I know it was the fluffy brand that I was looking at - we need to see if the thinner brands have the same multi-colored fibers in them? Anyone got a microscope out there?
Fascinating video, JJ, did you'all notice that when they put the 'bleach' in to disinfect it, that it's not really bleach? Well... whatever it is - it ain't working! And, it's so 'secret' they won't even tell us what it is? ?? There's all kinds of "BT's" that have been found in recycled paper, too, and no telling what else is in there?
Some of you, with microscopes, need to verify that what I'm saying is true here - so we can get the word out!
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Post by kammy on Feb 8, 2009 3:03:26 GMT -5
fascinating, maybe this is the cause or one of the causes of our misery! Well... I'm saying that the Morgellons fibers ARE in the toilet paper. If the fibers are in the paper, then we can use our common sense to tell us, that these other "things" that are coming out of our bodies MIGHT be residing in the toilet paper, too? It's more than likely that these bizarre 'objects' are NOT something that we've eaten, per se. I think a portion of our illness is probably being accentuated or 'triggered' by the other man-made chemicals we're ingesting, drinking and breathing - but the original CAUSE was from some 'foreign' matter getting into our systems to begin with! I watched a very long video on pesticide combining the other night - I didn't post it because it was an hour long... but, it basically said, that scientists don't know what the ramifications of mixing different types of pesticides can do to inside the human body, in fact, the combinations haven't even been tested yet. From looking at what pesticides are doing to frogs and tadpoles, who are developing in multi-pesticide waters - it's not a very pretty picture.
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Post by Jill on Feb 8, 2009 6:38:26 GMT -5
Kammy and all, Just 'scoped' some TP with Aloe- popular brand- and sure enough- found fibers, black specks and one fiber was moving- just like I see when I scope my specimens. Thank you for this information Kammy- the fiber in the middle- was moving (YIKES)
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Post by Jill on Feb 8, 2009 11:11:29 GMT -5
This image has the gel- right in the lower/middle
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Post by kammy on Feb 8, 2009 11:13:40 GMT -5
ty, Jill - every little bit of confirmation helps make this so-called 'theory' look more valid. I could kick myself for titleing this thread - "Possible Cause"! I have handed this information over to Mark, a microbiologist, about a week ago, I haven't heard back from him yet, he has also verified that this is true, and gave him a link to this thread so he could view my theory and was hoping he would come out here and tell us what he thinks?
We need some sort of scientific verification, I would think. I've never been in a position like this before but, I'm sure somebody will know how to handle this? This is ground breaking news that we're participating in, it needs to be public knowledge. The manufacturers need to be notified by someone in authority. Please do not abandon the ship because you are afraid of what might happen to you by participating, we're all innocent victims here.
I'm not sure at this time but, I would think the environmentally friendly toilet tissue sold at health food stores would be ok? It was reported to me that the thinner brands MAY NOT contain the Morgellons fibers, we need a list of the brands that are suspected to be 'safe'. What I am suspecting happens is that we are re-infecting ourselves while we are receiving treatment, that is why the treatments appear not to work and why we remain sick.
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Post by kammy on Feb 8, 2009 11:15:24 GMT -5
Hey Jill -
Nice photos, ty. That's not what I saw, try shredding the toilet paper over your slide and then put a cover on without wetting it.
I'm seeing the red, orange, blue, yellow and purple florescent fiber colors.
I'm sure the different brands are going to have different properties?
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Post by Jill on Feb 8, 2009 13:17:11 GMT -5
Kammy- I have seldom (and I have thousands of specimens)- found any colored fibers. I know everyone else has all colors- I don't. Likewise, my TP is yeilding black fibers only. More- w/shredded TP
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Post by kammy on Feb 8, 2009 15:05:34 GMT -5
TY, Jill, for you hard work! Still... you're finding some pretty 'interesting' stuff! I'm pretty sure the brand that I looked at did not contain the Aloe. It is one of the major brands, that is known for its fluffiness, I'm afraid to name names at this time - not being sure. I will be purchasing a microscope/camera soon.
Your photos don't look like the paper has been shredded, these look like you just laid a piece of the paper on your slide? Anyway, you're finding some things that shouldn't be in there to begin with that can, at least, draw suspect to the paper. Thank you for your work and time in helping, Jill.
That last one there is pretty scary looking... wonder what that is?
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Post by kammy on Feb 8, 2009 15:11:12 GMT -5
I'm preparing some information to take to my next, much needed doctor visit, as this has moved into my eyes, sinuses and my ears are highly affected. I have put off my next visit because from my reception from my last visits. I spoke with my sister today that works at a Health Department on how I should handle this toilet paper containing pathogens information? She said that she didn't know for sure, but that if I took my findings to my doctor that they MIGHT be required to report it? So, I am planning a visit in the next couple of days...
Here's something that I just thought about today that happened to me in 1997, or thereabouts, that I believe is related. I started having an ongoing anal rash develop, in which, I took this to my gynecologist for her to examine me. This was an elderly, near retirement aged doctor who had seen everything, and I knew I was in trouble when I was being examined and she said...'I've never seen this before... I don't know what this is...'.
From her office - I went to see a Proctologist who ordered a rectal biopsy. This is one of the worst procedures you can ever have done to you, btw! I remember at time of having a 'bleeding' hemorroid which had become recently evident and was in a 'flare up' place, because I remember remarking to the doctor, right before this biopsy - to please avoid this area. My Gynecologist suspected that this was viral and I relayed her opinion to him. Well... this Proctologist was absolutely &$^^$^, to say the least - I was not happy with his 'service', the biopsy came back as 'atypical cells' with no identification as to what was happening. It was an unknown.
So, shortly after, with the rash still ongoing - I looked for answers and found that the University of Iowa, which is a Medical Research Teaching University was looking at this particular problem, I made 2 appointments to go up there and be seen and treated. Of course, they were also not sure what caused this to happen either, nor able to identify what was causing the 'rash'. They prescribed medicines to treat the symptoms and some methods to keep this area from being irritated. The rash subsided and was not as evident in the next few years.
I believe that as I'm looking back at when I first developed signs of hemorroids, being perfectly healthy, fit, normal bowel movements, and did not spend a lot of time sitting on the toilet, etc., that this is more than likely the period in time when 'something' from the toilet paper could have entered my system.
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Post by felixwillford on Feb 8, 2009 15:11:56 GMT -5
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Post by Jill on Feb 8, 2009 15:15:21 GMT -5
Kammy,
I did shred the TP- although you and I may have a different take on shredding. The bug like thing on the last image does seem to confirm that there are things in the TP that should not be there. Likewise the black thread or fiber.
Maybe Toni could put her expertise to work on this?
Jill
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Post by kammy on Feb 8, 2009 15:23:27 GMT -5
Kammy, I did shred the TP- although you and I may have a different take on shredding. The bug like thing on the last image does seem to confirm that there are things in the TP that should not be there. Likewise the black thread or fiber. Maybe Toni could put her expertise to work on this? Jill Yes, we need an expert - a couple of them! You think it looks like a 'bug'?, it looks like mold or fungus to me... but, only an expert might know? The neat part about this theory is - is that in order to look and see - we all have easy access to the suggested source of the pathogens, we don't have to wait on specimens to arrive in the mail. TY, K, for your much needed help in spreading the word around.
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Post by Niels on Feb 8, 2009 19:05:16 GMT -5
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Post by bannanny on Feb 8, 2009 20:46:30 GMT -5
Hey Kammy, You're doin some awesome work girl! I always post on the morgellons board but Kmarie told us to be sure and check out your theory here. Incredible is all I have to say about you. I know the stuff's in toilet paper.... it's in everything. I can't even think of shredding it tho... I can barely even hold it in my hand or use the stuff! I feel it too much. I was really struck by the pic J posted with the gel slime ball a*shole in it. I have tons of gel comin outta my hands and feet. I've got some good samples but until my scope is cleaned up (has growth on it from gel that dripped onto the base from my finger)... long story (can't remove the gel blob) but I have the pix in sequence of growth (2 sets of growth have occurred.) If you're interested in seeing them let me know. But I posted something on the morg board that suddenly hit me regarding the trees... I'm gonna go ahead and paste it onto this thread as well cuz I'd really love to know what you think about it... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ OMG! Something just hit me while reading more of this. We planted 6 Pepper trees on the property 7 yrs. ago. Mom just had 5 more delivered cuz some of the Scottish pines on one side of the hill had to be cut down... they had a "disease." A disease also killed one of the Elm trees. The arborist we had come out to check them didn't know what the exact disease was... I think we do tho. But here's the clicker... California Peopper trees are genetically altered trees. They stay green all year long. They're beautiful, they grow real fast and look like a Weeping Willow. Remember when I posted the pics of when it snowed here and the weight of it broke some of the Pepper trees branches? Doesn't matter that it did cuz nothin seems to kill them. About 2 yrs. ago, the leaves on one of them actually turned brown and the bark would snap right off... it was dead right? Noooooo, after cutting it down to a stump, the thing grew back and is now 7 ft. tall. So now I'm wondering if one of the big reasons it's so contaminated here is becuz of the Pepper trees. My mom usually gets someone out here to trim them up, but she gets out there herself when she's here cuz she LOVES those trees. We share this property, but she's the only one who goes outside now. It's not only becuz she loves doing yard work, but I can't do much out there anymore (which I really miss) cuz I feel a worse than usual morg attack as soon as I do. The fact that I feel it 24/7 certainly doesn't help matters. Mom's never felt morgs (thank God) but she did tell me once that when she gets around the Pepper trees, she starts to itch alot. But she also doesn't wanna hear anything anymore about morgs cuz it only upsets her. She says since she doesn't have it she doesn't want it in her head for fear of what it might do. Also, knowing she can't do anything to help me makes it even worse for her. She's the one who just bought the new Pepper trees tho... I don't have money for that kind of thing anymore. I also had no idea she'd done it until they arrived. She came out the other day just before it started raining here (been raining for 3 days straight now) to "play" in the yard. She decided to trim some of the Peppers up and do some other things outside. Every single time she does anything like that and comes back into the house, I feel morgs comin off of her so much I can't even stand anywhere near her. But there's no way I'm gonna say anything to her about it OR now, the fact that the Peppers could very well be some of the morg problem here. It would crush her dreams and make her cry... I won't do that to her so I keep morg related news away from her anymore. I also won't tell her about the things she often does that effect it in me... it would only hurt her if I did. I've been trying to find a place I can move to I can afford cuz I feel I'd get more of an upper hand on this mess if I weren't living here and could start over. But that's hard to do on SSI, especially in California. Rent runs more than what I even get a month. The only thing I pay here are taxes and utilities... we already paid the house off. So if it is indeed some of the reason behind the incredible amount of contamination goin on here... well sh*t, I guess it's gonna have to remain what it is then. Very interesting tho... might just get my butt in gear to go ahead and find a new place to live. I hate that so much cuz this place was a dream we put together and it really is beautiful up here. All except for what's causing all the sh*t to happen. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Everything's so contaminated where I live Kammy... not only in me, but in my home and outside as well. You've got me wondering if the Peppers are what's behind these extremely high levels there is of it here. Altho I'm not quite sure what I'd do about it... but leaving all together would be #1 on my list! But I'd sure love to hear your thoughts about it... hugs ~~ bannanny P.S. Sorry for bein so long winded... it happens alot ;D
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