ex pharmaceutical employee's suggestion

[Orion***]

Pam said:

Boric acid probably is poison. Borax is a mineral compound mined from lake bottoms. It's suposed to be a relatively non-toxic insect killer. No offense to anyone. We're all suffering. Pam

==================================Boric Acid---Is it not used as an eye wash?

[Pam]

Good grief. Everyone takes offense at everything. Sodium perborate is not borax - but it is chemically close and Ted says borax can be used if one can't find the perborate. I checked Google and Yahoo. You can buy the stuff from China in big drums, but I couldn't find a small amount. And we were talking about taking boric acid internally. Which is probably a bad idea. If you go to the site Christy gives on this thread you will find the formua that Ted says works on the skin. I tried to match it somewhat with peroxide, DMSO and borax. Thank you Christy. Pam

[Christy S]

BTW, as to why I am still suffering, I posted this as soon as I found it. Have not tried it yet, as I want to find pure sodium perborate. However, he claims this will kill the bugs. Here's more from Ted as I asked for him to elaborate. First, about the external solution:

Your conditions is indeed a real one. Laboratory
scientists like me use them while conducting
biowarfare experiments. We need to have an antidote
otherwise I can't continue the work needed!

Doctors DON'T SUPPOSE to know that, otherwise it
wouldn't be a biowarfare weapons! The bugs are ideal
for spread of mycoplasma, the birds as carrier is used
for these bugs because it reaches a much wider area
and once the bugs reaches your the skin, mycoplasma
can enter your blood. Antibiotics WILL NOT WORK. We
tried it. This makesit an ideal biowarfare delivery
vehicle.


> So, can I apply this 2%-3% DMSO
> mixed with 5%
> sodium perborate solution from the neck down? And
> what about my hair?

It's an 25+ year old formula (or perhaps older). You
can try updating the formula and substitute vodka in
place of DMSO, as DMSO are harder to find and might
cause some skin irritation. (But they are quite
effective in killing the bugs I have to admit!)
However for vodka you may need more than just 2-3% you
need about 10-20% vodka, 75% water, plus 5% sodium
perborate. You WILL get a precipitate out of this
formula, so don't worry about the precipitate. Add
H2O2 to about 1-2% concentration of the solution to
help kill the mycoplasma.

If Neem oil you have, some neem oil are water soluble
some are not, So you may have to improvise by using
some weak detergents. This will stop them from
reproducing. You can apply this later.

Most important: DO NOT RINSE YOUR sodium perborate
thing. LEAVE IT OVERNIGHT. Rinse next day. Use neem
oil to apply to skin while you work and add lavender
to make it smell better and helps reduce skin
irritations.

The formula you can apply on hair or any part where
you have the bugs.

I don't entirely know the entire formula since it was
never revealed to me in its entirety, but I have
tested this to be quite effective. The reason I know
part of it was simple: i suggested these to them also.


Sodium perborate is preferred. Borax works although
not as well as sodium perborate. Try to make a sodium
perborate solution and spray throughout the house,
especially the bed, clothes to prevent reinfection.
Try to launder them with borax or sodium perborate.

> internal/underneath the skin, will the H2O2 cure it?
> And is this the
> same bugs/fibers at work moving inside my body? Or
> this is related
> mycroplasma.?

H2O2 will kill the mycoplasma, but not the bugs. It
WILL dry up the eggs and prevent them laying more.
Most of the killing will be due to the vodka and
sodium perborate and neem oil. Possibly some lavender
oil will kill them too, and prevent skin irriation
when you apply to itchy areas.

Ted

Lv Christy
Yes, I used to post a lot years ago on the other board. Thanks, Friskie.

[christy S]

More from Ted:

You can take sodium perborate internally. One to
two pinches per day will really help kill the bugs. At
least it changes your blood's biological terrain to
cause a much faster die off for the fiber bugs and the
mycoplasma that they carry along. Larger dosages than
I recommend is possible, but don't exceed this dosages
ESPECIALLY FOR children!
[ ]
Yes it is infectious quite rapidly. To prevent such
spread make a 5% sodium perborate throughout the
house. The bed, clothes, socks and carpet (as I
remember them) are their favorite places for
reinfection.

You can modify my formula and make a stronger solution
by adding vodka and neem oil. Neem oil quality varies.
Some are water soluble, some are not. If not, then use
a simple detergent.

There are many protocols to treat your condition,
unfortunately my time is up for today. Must go!

Ted

If anyone tries this, please post your results. I will too, as soon as I find the sodium perborate.

lv christy

[christy S]

To get pure sodium perborate, you have to go to a chemical supply company, or find it online. Borax has other fillers, but others have taken that small amount internally with no adverse results. Ted did say that the sodium perborate works better, however. Remember, he did warn that his formula is twenty years old and possibly incomplete because his work (biowarfare) was so compartmentalized. He does seem earnest in his desire to help, though.
Hope this helps.
lv christy

[ANTHILL]

My star of the day is DSMO Old Crow sour mash whiskey precipitated sulfur few drops of peppermint and oregano oil and two drops iodine

I had originally tried this recipe with ever-clear pure grain alcohol a year or two ago
It didn't have the same killing effect I don't know if it had anything to do with the fact that the ingredients in the whiskey were soured before fermenting
or that it was aged in oak barrels taking on some properties of the wood or there was some other factor

In using this concoct I have dry chaff all over me which I
know to be dead parasites

It has taken my years of experimentation with DSMO to
come up to with this simple recipe

I think but not sure if I would of had this recipe to begin with when I wasn't so bad I think there would of been a possibility of a cure

I'm going it give Cristy's concoct a try too and see what happens

[Frisk to Ant]

My God,that pic is strange!! What are you trying to say Ant? That womans birth canals are like fish? >:(LOLAnd what the heck is that thing ontopa your head?? It looks like some of my phalic toys ;DFrisky cat

[Orion***]

Pam said:

Good grief. Everyone takes offense at everything. Sodium perborate is not borax - but it is chemically close and Ted says borax can be used if one can't find the perborate. I checked Google and Yahoo. You can buy the stuff from China in big drums, but I couldn't find a small amount. And we were talking about taking boric acid internally. Which is probably a bad idea. If you go to the site Christy gives on this thread you will find the formua that Ted says works on the skin. I tried to match it somewhat with peroxide, DMSO and borax. Thank you Christy. Pam

===================================It's still clear as mud--for crying out loud why direct me to another site for the formula--why cant you post it here where it belongs...riddles--riddles--sick and tired of riddles---
I have the patience of most morgellons ppl---very short.
news:morgellons.com---right here..
I googled the perperborate sp. <no patience> and I came up with borax---so where did I go wrong.
I want the chemical formula for the perperborate and for borax--that should explain it pretty well.
Orion*** running around swinging his sward :-)

[Orion***]

I think that I might have been out of line--sorry--just that I am getting so tired of all the retoric. I'm trying desperately to hold on--grab any thing that I can..
There is a lot of merit to the ingrediance in the formula--now if we can just find out how to use them without killing ourselves...
I kind of like the idea of JackDanials or Old Crow--Wild Turkey ---heck of a good excuse to get lit up like a christmas candle. :-)
I still think--If you kill the bacteria you starve the worms..
With my protocal I am seeing NO black specks and fewer black worms but the clear cotton fiber like worms are still going strong...I can get two days relief on my scalp by a salt rub and peroxide shampoo.
AND I strongly believe what Ted says about the micoplasma incognitis---which brings the doxycycline into play to my way of thinking.
A few drops of food grade hydrogen peroxid in a glass of water seems very logical to me also..
How many people here have an oxygen saturation level below 92 ? could this be contributing to your problem disease?
You know your body makes it's own H²O² and puts it in the blood---its own method of fighting pathogens in the body--
I'm looking into putting myself on an oxygen concentrator at night so that all of my tissues get super saturated --a prime defence against pathogens..you know how the organisms hate oxygen.
Oh ya--the perborate is also an oxygenator--thats why it makes your clothes so bright and your skivies so white,...
Think about it.
I do know one thing, amonia is worthless--because I took some swabs in a pill bottle--doused them with amonia and capped it over night---the next day they were still dancing around.
Something else---I was going through some junk that I had stored about 10+ years ago--tape head cleaning gear--in it I found a Q-Tip that had been in there all that time---guess what--it had dancing fibers on it also---go figure.
Orion*** with his sward back in it's sheath where it belongs.:-(

[Dr jekyl]

Last night I took a 12 ounce bottle of distilled water. I added about a teaspoon of Borax, 1 tablespoon of hydrogen peroxide, and a half teaspoon of DMSO. Shook well and put it in a spray bottle. I applied to dry skin and hair. I added the neem oil on me after it dried. I rubbed stuff out over and over and over.

So the verdict?

So very much came out....I'm going to continue. I was rubbing three hrs straight and was tired. So I wiped off what I could, rubbed myself down with coconut oil mixed with neem powder and went to bed.

It was still falling out dead in my pajamas. But I slept just great.

So for what its worth, it it does have some merit to it.

[Dr jekyl]

Ok I'm herxing yet again like mad. Boy did I stir this stuff up.

I am having a huge exit of ...well I'll say things. from the chest up. Oh great...but the fibers are not spewing out.

"Oh happy day.....Oh happy day...she sings in misery.

I feel like screamin what the f###

Shelzee if you read this...hang on sweetie...the ride has many dips and curves.

Hey you guys remember "Ralph won". I keep going back to his story. Hell if he can win....I guess I can to.

Ever experimental
Dr JekylD

[J Jill]

Am sorry but I don't think we should be drinking this stuff at all. It could kill someone. I would not attempt this. Outside of body, but not drinking it!

I have to agree.

Putting it into the DMSO along with other ingredients for use as topical, would not be as risky, IMO.

[Dr jekyl]

J said:

Am sorry but I don't think we should be drinking this stuff at all. It could kill someone. I would not attempt this. Outside of body, but not drinking it!

I have to agree.

Putting it into the DMSO along with other ingredients for use as topical, would not be as risky, IMO.

PS I did use it outside the body... I didn't drink it. Just reporting my results.

[just me]

probably a waist of space, but i haven't posted in so long, i'm going a little over board.

to yyz,
rush was my very first concert many years ago. saw them in san antonio. the other day my husband and i were in the car and "limelight" came on the radio. i sang every word to that song with a deafening vengeance. he looks over at me and says, "who are you?"

okay....flashback to some other music that was big for my group of friends during that time.....true for anyone else?

Alan Parsons Project - Turn of a Friendly Card
Billy Thorpe - Children of the Sun
April Wine - Nature of the Beast
Rossington Collins Band

[bugged1]

Borates are relatively safe but that's not exactly a suggestion from me to go trying this protocol as DMSO WILL carry whatever you mix it with INTO YOUR BLOODSTREAM as Orion has already pointed out. SO you could be endangering yourself IF you use TOO MUCH. So here's how you determine the proper amount: 5% is 0.05 times the total weight (lets say 1,000 grams or 1 kilogram = 1 liter if it's water). That would mean you would use 50 grams of perboric acid with 950 grams water to get your desired 5% amount. Adding the DMSO at 3% and you would mix 30 grams of that with the 50 grams of perboric acid into 920 grams of water. Follow me?

Here's what you need to know about the toxicity of sodium perborate (perboric acid):
www.jtbaker.com/msds/englishhtml/s4634.htm

To give a comparison, aspirin has an LD50 of 1,000 mg/Kg (explained: it takes 1,000 mg per kilogram of body weight to kill (Lethal Dose) target organism (usually a rat)). Sodium perborate has an LD50 of 1,200 mg/Kg making it slightly less toxic than aspirin through oral ingestion. That would answer your couple of pinches question - quite safe.
HOWEVER overexposure in large doses can cause convulsions, coma, kidney damage and death so DO NOT OVERDO IT PEEPS!!!

My professional opinion on this (and I've been in the borate field for 19 years) is that it is one of the few legitimate posts I've seen come out of the other forum that's been mostly pumping out hogwash scaring peeps. I was beginning to lose interest and faith based on so many ludicrous posts to weed thru until this one. So a big fat THANK YOU to Ted, whoever he is.

CHEM G

[yyz]

ChemG,

You said:

My professional opinion on this (and I've been in the borate field for 19 years) is that it is one of the few legitimate posts I've seen come out of the other forum...


Why do you feel this one is legitimate may I ask? Do you think sodium perborate/Borax would be effective on this disease and if so, why?

And, effective on which element(s) of the disease?

I am asking for everyone concerned.

Thanks,
yyz

[Chem G]

Borates are effective against most all microorganisms including bacteria, yeast, fungi, algae and even insects (mess with the water-balance of insects). It will attack all aspects of this disease. The problem had been how to get it into your system without causing toxicity. You can bath in Borax but that doesn't cure this because there is more than just outer skin layer infection. If you took it orally you wouldn't be able to ingest enough to get a complete kill without causing bodily harm. I didn't think about a chemical carrier like DMSO to get it into the deeper parts of the skin and "some" into the bloodstream. Brilliant idea but caution must be excercised as you're trying to strike a balance between a cure and a poison!

Chem G

[cb]

THANK YOU CHEM G god loves us

[yyz]

Thanks GhemG...


yyz

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