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Post by believer on Mar 25, 2009 15:55:04 GMT -5
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Post by stevefrey on Mar 25, 2009 16:17:51 GMT -5
The Democrats are in charge of the House, the Senate, and the Presidency, spend, spend, spend, tax, tax, tax. When the President openly proclaims Government is the answer to our problems you know your in trouble. Has it been too long to remember that the great Ronald Reagan had already proven that government is not the answer to our problems, GOVERNMENT IS OUR PROBLEM? It's recorded in history, Reagan proved his tactics worked but I guess some just weren't paying attention.
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Post by violet on Mar 25, 2009 16:57:35 GMT -5
The Democrats are in charge of the House, the Senate, and the Presidency, spend, spend, spend, tax, tax, tax. When the President openly proclaims Government is the answer to our problems you know your in trouble. Has it been too long to remember that the great Ronald Reagan had already proven that government is not the answer to our problems, GOVERNMENT IS OUR PROBLEM? It's recorded in history, Reagan proved his tactics worked but I guess some just weren't paying attention. It IS really astounding. What I can't get over is how Congress laughed at Obama when he declared that there was not one earmark in the stimulus package. Dems and Repubs both laughed. I've wondered how he could possibly have made such a remark. Really weird. He has so many good qualities, but it is very disturbing to see what he is doing to our country, and again, I have great concerns over the very blatant things he is doing to muffle Christians, even though he claims to be a Christian himself. It is very disturbing to me. I don't think we really know who he is. I had such great hopes for him even though I didn't vote for him. I wanted to give him a chance and give him the benefit of the doubt.
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Post by stevefrey on Mar 25, 2009 17:07:01 GMT -5
I say this in all honesty, with no prejudice, the man has given me the willies since the very first time I saw his face, it's a very disturbing feeling.
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Post by Carrie♥ on Mar 25, 2009 18:00:24 GMT -5
Yeah but it's so sweet how much Cheney and Bush benefited the most off the war ...Hello? Are you guys listening to yourselves? At least Obama's priorities are for the people instead of for killing the people? Really...what did Bush do for us? Any of us? And you're bitching about what Obama is trying to do? He didn't screw it up...he's trying to clean it up. Some of the most predominate Forefathers weren't Christians Violet. Actually many are documented as saying not very nice things about the religion. Religion became more prominent with politics with the rising interest of herding the sheep cuz many sheep were jumping ship. Religion shouldn't have any bearing what so ever on politics.
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Post by stevefrey on Mar 25, 2009 18:12:25 GMT -5
I'm not taking a stand on religion one way or another here Carrie but every piece of our currency does have the words "In God we trust" and I think our court system still employs the "under oath" system, I don't know if I can agree with your statement under those circumstances
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Post by Carrie♥ on Mar 25, 2009 18:33:20 GMT -5
Why do you think that is Steve Frey? In God We Trust? Because they stopped backing the dollar with gold so now we're supposed to put our faith in God because we can't in our Country? You need to watch that movie Mr. Frey. False institutions...politics, religion and monetary...all benefit the rich, corporate elite and keep us in economic slavery. It's not that I hate religion as much as I hate what it has done to society as a whole. And the religious themselves are the last people to see just how much it actually hinders them. It is another ploy to herd the sheep Steve...bahhhhhhhh "Lighthouses are more helpful than churches." [Benjamin Franklin] "The Bible is not my Book and Christianity is not my religion. I could never give assent to the long complicated statements of Christian dogma." [Abraham Lincoln] "I would suggest the taxation of all property equally whether church or corporation." [Ulysses S. Grant (1822-1885)] "I believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute- where no Catholic prelate would tell the president (should he be Catholic) how to act, and no Protestant minister would tell his parishoners for whom to vote--where no church or church school is granted any public funds or political preference--and where no man is denied public office merely because his religion differs from the president who might appoint him or the people who might elect him." [President John F. Kennedy] "I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just." "Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man." [Thomas Jefferson] "I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do because I notice it always coincides with their own desires." [Susan B. Anthony] "Spiritual leadership should remain spiritual leadership and the temporal power should not become too important in any church." [Eleanor Roosevelt] "Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprize, every expanded prospect." "The purpose of separation of church and state is to keep forever from these shores the ceaseless strife that has soaked the soil of Europe in blood for centuries."[James Madison, 1803] "All Bibles are man-made." "So far as religion of the day is concerned, it is a damned fake... Religion is all bunk." [Thomas Edison]
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Post by violet on Mar 25, 2009 18:57:31 GMT -5
Yeah but it's so sweet how much Cheney and Bush benefited the most off the war ...Hello? Are you guys listening to yourselves? At least Obama's priorities are for the people instead of for killing the people? Really...what did Bush do for us? Any of us? And you're bitching about what Obama is trying to do? He didn't screw it up...he's trying to clean it up. Some of the most predominate Forefathers weren't Christians Violet. Actually many are documented as saying not very nice things about the religion. Religion became more prominent with politics with the rising interest of herding the sheep cuz many sheep were jumping ship. Religion shouldn't have any bearing what so ever on politics. \ Whoa. Obama's not killing people? Carrie. He's making it easy for people kill their babies without giving it a thought, big time. And yes, I'm aware that many of our forefathers were not Christian; however, our country was founded on Christian principles, nevertheless. And...Lincoln did in fact become a Christian in later life. By being concerned about Obama, I did not say anything at all about whether I was a Bush/Cheney supporter--you are assuming that. And, I would not say Obama is cleaning it up. He's changing it all, and the most frightening change I am seeing is that he is moving Christ right out of the picture in any way he can. Open your eyes, Ms. Carrie Lou! Look at other countries who do not have Christ. Sorry, but I want nothing to do with that kind of life. Look at countries in the Bible--throughout history--who went away from the Lord. They fell. Exactly what our country is doing. Carrie, you are very precious to me (us). I just had to speak up, and don't mean to hurt you, just inform you...and most importantly, defend Christ.
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Post by stevefrey on Mar 25, 2009 21:50:54 GMT -5
Carrie did you that the total overall number of Scriptures distributed during the year 2001 was 11,119,328 and was published in 38 languages and circulated in 129 countries? ;D Well now you do.
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Post by Carrie♥ on Mar 25, 2009 22:56:51 GMT -5
Steve...come on now :odon't get me started!!! You already know you don't want none ! Violet, you too are sweet as pie. I don't think there is anything wrong with abortions...sorry to say. Well, as long as they are in the first trimester. After that then yeah, I have some problems with it but in the grand scheme of things...who is going to take care of all those babies? And where is the free will I've heard people talk about...free will? We've got enough problems, got enough poverty and people in jail. I'm just saying I think abortion is the least of our problems. And church and state should not even be used in the same sentence let alone considered. And I didn't say you were a Bush/Cheney supporter. But think about how many they killed and allowed to be killed...? Where's the free will there? And folks are messin' with Obama? And Violet please know I wasn't intending to question you or your faith. Sorry if you think or feel that way. I was just really responding to my thoughts of church and state and then Steve's comment about God on the money and what I've learned about the Forefather's and MY impression of what I've been learning about what they really had in mind for their new great country and freedom of religion is surely part of that. Freedom of religion and keeping those free from it that don't want any part of it. I personally don't want any part of it and think we should all be free from religion if that is our choice. Bush didn't give us that option...Obama is. Did you ever hear that speech of Bush's where he said God wants every one to be free and uh how that's part of his foreign policy? Do we have any idea how many people died because of his religious beliefs? Ha and even so did he hide the motive of money behind the mask of his God? No thanks but that really isn't anything personal about you or any one that chooses to believe in Jesus and that God. I choose not and I feel that it my right as a United State Citizen. Other religions aren't being crammed down our throat...why is that one? And I'm DONE!!! I'm not going to talk about it any more so it's not that I'm ignoring you guys when and if you reply. I don't want to come across anymore as a bitch and surely don't want to argue. I should have avoided this thread all together but...yeah some times the temptation gets to me. It won't again...or I'll bust my butt not too! I'm going to avoid these threads all together from now on !
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Post by violet on Mar 26, 2009 9:53:01 GMT -5
Steve...come on now :odon't get me started!!! You already know you don't want none ! Violet, you too are sweet as pie. I don't think there is anything wrong with abortions...sorry to say. Well, as long as they are in the first trimester. After that then yeah, I have some problems with it but in the grand scheme of things...who is going to take care of all those babies? And where is the free will I've heard people talk about...free will? We've got enough problems, got enough poverty and people in jail. I'm just saying I think abortion is the least of our problems. And church and state should not even be used in the same sentence let alone considered. And I didn't say you were a Bush/Cheney supporter. But think about how many they killed and allowed to be killed...? Where's the free will there? And folks are messin' with Obama? And Violet please know I wasn't intending to question you or your faith. Sorry if you think or feel that way. I was just really responding to my thoughts of church and state and then Steve's comment about God on the money and what I've learned about the Forefather's and MY impression of what I've been learning about what they really had in mind for their new great country and freedom of religion is surely part of that. Freedom of religion and keeping those free from it that don't want any part of it. I personally don't want any part of it and think we should all be free from religion if that is our choice. Bush didn't give us that option...Obama is. Did you ever hear that speech of Bush's where he said God wants every one to be free and uh how that's part of his foreign policy? Do we have any idea how many people died because of his religious beliefs? Ha and even so did he hide the motive of money behind the mask of his God? No thanks but that really isn't anything personal about you or any one that chooses to believe in Jesus and that God. I choose not and I feel that it my right as a United State Citizen. Other religions aren't being crammed down our throat...why is that one? And I'm DONE!!! I'm not going to talk about it any more so it's not that I'm ignoring you guys when and if you reply. I don't want to come across anymore as a bitch and surely don't want to argue. I should have avoided this thread all together but...yeah some times the temptation gets to me. It won't again...or I'll bust my butt not too! I'm going to avoid these threads all together from now on ! ~~~~~~~~~ Carrie, please bear with me on just one last comment: I appreciate your honesty. There is nothing wrong with that. Please don't ever hesitate to comment on things. The Lord already knows how you feel, so you might as well say it (as long as it's said with repect, and we agree to do that, too). I'll also respect your not wanting to discuss this whole thing any more if that is truly what you prefer. Christ never pushed himself on people. He offered himself. It would be wrong of us to push him on anyone... It's the Lord who works in people. We are just his spokespersons. And, again, we care for you. Take care.
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