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Post by toni on Jun 16, 2009 14:45:24 GMT -5
When I was growing up as a kid, my folks kept telling me (Toni) there are two things in life that YOU need to know, because knowledge is power, and without it, you'll be at the mercy of another.
1) Health (meds, diseases, treatments,) and to keep educated... and 2) Law...so you don't get "taken" .
But who'd of ever thought... Grady, I sure hear you....it sure is evolving FAST in a bad direction.
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Post by mrcommonsense on Jun 16, 2009 18:59:09 GMT -5
You are correct Kmarie, but it's only going to get worse. Of course, for those with no coverage it really couldn't get much worse, however, the government in control of health care is just bad news ...
Here is a guy before the Senate stating that we're going to have to make judgements, some people are going to have to die, be denied surgery because it's just not cost effective, that last two minutes ought to really bother you. Basically, if you're a drain on society the government says you die, better to have those paying into the tax system than those drawing out of it, the productive live, the weak must die for the benefit of everyone
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Post by ANTHILL on Jun 16, 2009 19:24:10 GMT -5
Quoth Grady: We will be managed like a comodity, a crop if you will.Yup" and the next step is harvest MMMMMmmm tasty Soylent Green I can't wait !-- good times is a coming Yaaay!
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Post by overandover on Jun 16, 2009 20:16:57 GMT -5
Oh Lord Kiki sweetheart I so hope not one word I said may you sorry you spouted off. You are sick, you are hurting and been let down by our country and I'm so very sorry for that. And you are to sick to be your own doctor, Morgellons is the horror of man kind and the way we have been treated is a crime against humanity. I am so sorry, please forgive my writing post and not thinking.
More then anything in the world I want answers for this, what ever this is took my child and I want answers, NOW.
But I can hardly bare to lose another one of us, Roberta was to much and the last straw for me.
Someone once said to me they were surprised no-one with Morgellons had gone postal. Lord help me and forgive me my feeling, but I though about it.
I want you to know I understand your pain and would help you in anyway I could, if I could I would pay for everyone here to get a BIG screening for cancer and I pray to God to please help me find a way to help find answers for everyone.
And when you need to vent girl, this is the place. There is no better group of folks in the world then the ones on this board.
Hell even when we have misunderstandings here, it comes full circle to the true grit for our love for one another. We are family and you are so loved.
Love, Suebe
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Post by bannanny on Jun 16, 2009 21:01:46 GMT -5
... I hope you're doing well suebe.
I understand you're questioning what Dr. Wymore said too kiki. We are on our own and he knows that, so whatever info is out there regarding ANYONE who's gotten better should be available to us all.
What you said about being too sick to be your own doctor should be a morgellons trademark. That rings so very true and I have to agree with it 100%. I guess it's just up to us to try and find our own way tho... along with God's help in guiding us to get there too. I've tried soooo many things only to keep getting worse, but I know I can't stop trying either.
Course when Dr. W said the woman who's symptom free got that way becuz she stopped taking everything made me wonder. Did she actually not take anything at all and that's what did it? I'm confused about that one. I'm in bad shape as you know, but I stopped taking everything I was taking (except the buffer ph) about a month or so ago. Then 4 days ago I started on the Hyssop. But I've never been this bad and I've read and also been told that this thing gets outta control just before you start to get better. So I'm praying that's what's happening to me. I am gonna be starting Grady's protocol tho. I think what he says about our "terrain" makes alot of sense. Nothin's gonna grow properly and the way it should grow if the soil ain't right... the soil being the terrain, the terrain being our own bodies.
I have you in my prayers kiki... I sure hope we can all find what works for us, and soon.
hugs ~~ bannanny
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Post by toni on Jun 17, 2009 11:14:17 GMT -5
Morgs sure seems like there's a viral component to it too, doesn't it?
Viruses are not treatable, I mean they can be managed somewhat...for relief, but this got me thinking too about for instance:
The herpes virus. How it behaves, or any virus for that matter, (just using herpes as an example).
Say herpes is in the body. There are no symptoms, UNTIL something "triggers it". Then the rash or blisters appear.
When the body becomes under stressful situations, that too can be enough to "set it off" and a breakout occur.
That's how viruses act.
I wonder if there's a viral aspect to Morgs, because "when we divert our attention it seems to pleasant thoughts" our morgs symptoms let up a bit.
Not that we can make it go away by our thoughts, but, we can get some degree of relief, when less stressed.
And when aspects of Morgs really mess with us, then it seems to really hammer down.
I sure don't know, but just the "symptoms" and the lying dormancy of it...makes me wonder if part of it is viral.
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Post by violet on Jun 17, 2009 12:17:09 GMT -5
Kiki - I didn't attend the conference, but I have the DVDs and listened a couple of times. He said he knew of one person who was "cured" through antibiotic treatments. I am assuming the person is one of Ginger Savely's patients, as they communicate. He would have to know that the person had Morgellons, and then no longer had it. Since he doesn't have a "clinical practice" it would have to have been someone's patient that he knew. Dr. Savely does not have a protocol per se; like any practioner worth their salt, lots of lab work is done and treatment is adapted to the individual's own medical profile. There are other people who are symptom-free who are patients of Dr. Staninger's (I am very close to it, about 99% and have been for nearly a year and a half). Like Dr. Savely, Dr. Staninger's protocol is adapted to the individual patient depending on about 25 individual blood and urine tests. The difference is that Dr. Staninger uses natural means and does believes that prescription medication can have adverse effects on people with Morgellons. And then there is JWF's protocol, which is readily available here. John, his wife, and his mother in law are all symptom-free for several years using the protocol he developed. Why don't you try it? Bessie I'm fairly certain the person that is doing well after being off treatment for three years is Harriet Bishop. She spoke at the first Morgellons conference and possibly this second one? Have the CDs but have not had time to listen to/watch them, yet.
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Post by overandover on Jun 18, 2009 12:04:57 GMT -5
Toni my lawyers doctor said she believes it to be a virus by the way it behaves. I don't know what treatment my lawyer did but I did see her about two weeks ago and she was very upset as she'd been doing well enough to return to the office and few days a week (had to work from home for a long while) and showed me and Tom new lesions on her arms, hands and the cuts all over her finger tips. I'll ask her about treatment the next time I see her, I wonder how doctors would treat it as a virus? Anyhow wanted to let you know, cause your always on the path and I call you Dr. Toni around these here parts. Love ya, Suebe
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Post by violet on Jun 18, 2009 12:52:25 GMT -5
... I hope you're doing well suebe. I understand you're questioning what Dr. Wymore said too kiki. We are on our own and he knows that, so whatever info is out there regarding ANYONE who's gotten better should be available to us all. What you said about being too sick to be your own doctor should be a morgellons trademark. That rings so very true and I have to agree with it 100%. I guess it's just up to us to try and find our own way tho... along with God's help in guiding us to get there too. I've tried soooo many things only to keep getting worse, but I know I can't stop trying either. Course when Dr. W said the woman who's symptom free got that way becuz she stopped taking everything made me wonder. Did she actually not take anything at all and that's what did it? I'm confused about that one. I'm in bad shape as you know, but I stopped taking everything I was taking (except the buffer ph) about a month or so ago. Then 4 days ago I started on the Hyssop. But I've never been this bad and I've read and also been told that this thing gets outta control just before you start to get better. So I'm praying that's what's happening to me. I am gonna be starting Grady's protocol tho. I think what he says about our "terrain" makes alot of sense. Nothin's gonna grow properly and the way it should grow if the soil ain't right... the soil being the terrain, the terrain being our own bodies. I have you in my prayers kiki... I sure hope we can all find what works for us, and soon. hugs ~~ bannanny Hi, Nanny--My impression is that the people who have been treated and then went off medications is because their symptoms subsided, so they tried stopping the medications to see if they needed them any more or not...
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Post by violet on Jun 18, 2009 14:25:46 GMT -5
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Post by toni on Jun 18, 2009 16:11:11 GMT -5
Sue you're so cute And yes, it is interesting (morgs) how it really does act like a virus (and your doc or lawyer agrees?) That is saying alot..(from them)....and to throw even more into this (viral equation) I think it might be a (viral envelope carrying bacteriums and fungi) too. (hahha like I know) ...I don't for sure of course, no way to, but....just going on "it's behavior"...and how it operates from what I see anyways, is what this looks like or acts like. That's why "IMHO" we can kick the "co-infections" with antibiotics" or "antiparasiticals" or "antifungals" but...we're not "riding" the core of the problem...and IF it is viral, then it will (keep on giving) sort of thing. With intermittent relief here and there, but never truly leaving. There are no cures for viral infections, only drugs/meds to keep a lid on viral problems so as to basically keep "viruses" somewhat under control so they don't go out of control. Sometimes too...(with viruses) like a cold for instance, one never gets the (same) cold twice. The body instantly immune's itself after becoming infected with a cold...but not until it's run it's course. Then "if" the person catches a cold, it will never be the same one. It would then be "a different strain" - even though it acts the same like the last cold, it is not the same exact virus. Maybe too...Morgs works like this (the cold senario). As we CAN catch one cold after another (after it's run it's course) then we can actually catch a cold again, but...again, it's not the same strain. There's probably endless strains of the common cold virus...with each just a tad different...which is why one can never be immune to not getting a cold. I know I'm repeating here about the cold, but the reason is...because there (seems to be imho) a similarity here too with another facet of Morgs. Because "Morgellons"...JUST when we think we might have a handle on it and we feel and think our meds might be doing some good...then we feel like "oh no, the Morgs have acquired a resistance...YET, maybe they haven't. You know how many of us (and doctor recommended too) is to "keep switching meds"? Well...there's something from another angle here too about that. And I don't mean what the doctors are saying, but...I draw everything out on a chalk board...and that is what helps me see things clearer...maybe I'm WAY off...but I can only express what is seeming to me. If the viral envelope 'contains' many strains...then we may be knocking out different components/strains "one at a time" with one particular med, and then what happens is this (imho): Say we have 20 "strains" of something. We take a particular med...and that then knocks out 1-4 strains. Now...what we can create too is a betterment in our health because 1-4 pathogens have been actually eliminated, but.... On that flip side of that "imho theory"...is by knocking out those 1-4 pathogens, we then increase the others. Here's a perfect example of what I mean by that: It's no differently than "taking an antibiotic". When we take an antibiotic, we KILL bad germs/bacteria. Yet that same antibiotic taken, even though it's killed the bad stuff...it KILLS the good stuff (the good bacteria) too! So...in essence...maybe that IS what our meds are doing. Knocking out 1-4 strains, yet FEEDING the others. Hope that makes sense...it's just a theory, but it's what it feels like to me.
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Post by kiki on Jun 18, 2009 16:50:35 GMT -5
Didnt Dr Martin that did that light therapy claim that it(light therapy) disrupt the DNA of some viruses? Wouldnt surprise me one bit if it does... and we'll hear about it as soon as big pharms figure out how to cash in on it.
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