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Post by kammy on Oct 18, 2009 20:54:30 GMT -5
Yes, Jeany, I noticed that I have been slightly hypoglycemic and prone to nervousness throughout my life.
You saying that being in contact with Uracil and S. Cerevisiae combined and being hyper or hypoglycemia are a pre-existing condition that causes Morgellons symptoms to become evident? Maybe some of the others can tell us if they are hyper or hypoglycemic?
We see that S. Cerevisiae is a very close resemblance to our mystery, white fuzzy fungus? So, are Uracil and S. Cerevisiae being used in combination in a pesticide, patent or other products?
S. Cerevisiae is the family name?... are any of the fungi, such as the ones that Ruth posted, in this family?
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Post by fritolay66 on Oct 18, 2009 22:05:12 GMT -5
Very interesting picture. First, though, I need the history of the photo please. This is a sample of what? At what mag? Blood, cellular debris, cellular fluid? How was it acquired? Hmmm, lets see what I can come up with.
Jeany, awesome post.
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Post by kammy on Oct 18, 2009 22:12:36 GMT -5
Very interesting picture. First, though, I need the history of the photo please. This is a sample of what? At what mag? Blood, cellular debris, cellular fluid? How was it acquired? Hmmm, lets see what I can come up with. Jeany, awesome post. That photo represents 15 days growth of arm lesion debris cultured in nutrient agar. Arm lesion debris was removed from their arm with tweezers and placed in the dish. Photographed at 300x straight into the dish.
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Post by fritolay66 on Oct 18, 2009 22:18:40 GMT -5
mmmmhmmm....extremely interesting and yes, I would be happy to do some digging. On my way....
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Post by fritolay66 on Oct 18, 2009 22:41:22 GMT -5
Read more: www.faqs.org/patents/app/20090004218#ixzz0ULhTEpJ9I guess my first place I would investigate and review would be the langerhans cells due to this sample being from an arm lesion debris. The picture you provided could be that of a viron binding through your previously mentioned SNARE, or we could be seeing phagocytosis, etc. Might you have any more photos of that particular specimen available to see?
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Post by fritolay66 on Oct 18, 2009 23:05:53 GMT -5
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Post by fritolay66 on Oct 18, 2009 23:09:24 GMT -5
15 days growth? Do you have a picture of what it looked like originally. An time lapse photos?
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Post by kammy on Oct 18, 2009 23:18:42 GMT -5
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Post by fritolay66 on Oct 19, 2009 0:14:04 GMT -5
Wow. It still amazes me to see so many similar things to what I was seeing in my own samples under the microscope as well. Great videos.
I no longer have a microscope so I cannot do this anymore, but you do. In the next samples you get and grow out and video. Can you pick specific points in that agar and make sperate videos of each point of reference over the time lapse. Such as that cell you showed here and I asked so many questions. It would be incredibly helpful to see the growth phases of that specific point during the entire 15 day growth process. From just one photo it would be quite difficult to differentiate at that magnification whether it is phagocytosis, meiosis, daughter cells.....
Wow, those really are some great videos for a general feeling of the morgellons process. Such detail. Two thumbs up.
Frito
Also, just some random thoughts here. But the larvae you showed. Was it me or did you happen to notice that most of the pictures you got of the larvae also showed they were most commonly surrounded by the carbon you referenced. I assume you referenced carbon like particles because of the color and shapes. But I saw a lot of crystals. The tubular crystals, not the jagged star shaped ones. If in fact what we are seeing is a larval stage then what kinds of larvae would interact with the human cytoplasm contents in order to form crystals of this kind? What comes to mind is the struvite crystals formed in the kidneys yadi ya. Could this crystal formation be attributed to the larval interactions?
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Post by fritolay66 on Oct 19, 2009 0:39:04 GMT -5
Kammy,
Jeany just posted on the Carnicom thread the treatment by Gwen Scott. In this link were some of the commonalities they are finding in Morgellons patients. That being of magnesium and calcium aggregates. Those crystals I was noticing around the parasites. I wonder if what we are seeing there is some form of calcification and those spikey crystals the magnesium?
Okay, back to the virons and such.
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Post by kammy on Oct 19, 2009 0:54:23 GMT -5
WHAT IS A BACULOVIRUS? From Banny's thread last night where she asks, 'What is a baculovirus?' I'm duplicating part of a post over there: lymebusters.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=rash&action=modifypost&thread=12794&post=139341Baculovirus are those spheres that are in your and my samples, they are also in the form of the 'carbon rocks' and 'carbon spaceships' that I presented in earlier photos in my various threads. So, they have those two main forms. Here are some 'stock' Internet photos that show their identification: From photoshelter.com showing the 'rock capsids', a capsid is a capsule, if you flip through their stock photos of the baculovirus, you will see that these are also what people are finding as 'glitter': 306305.tif | PhotoShelterBaculovirus heliothis. This insect virus is commonly used by molecular biologists to produce specific peptides and proteins. TEM. Here's a photo of water @100x, these have also been seen in human samples: Here's a stock photo of the sphere baculovirus from Wikepedia, what I called a 'cookie' earlier: Baculovirus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaHere is a photo of what I called a "cookie" or "spaceship landing pad" earlier, it is the sphere and rock capsids together, as in the wiki photo above: The 'sphere' or nucleocapsid "spits out, blows out, or leaves a trail, and other methods" of the 'rocks' or polyhedrin-shaped granulin capsids in one of its many reproduction modes. Here are two photos below of a 'sphere capsid' creating baby 'rock capsids' in a human lesion, I also have a movie that shows it doing this same thing in a different way: Frito, Look at the photoshelter.com photo link above identifying a baculovirus showing the 'rock capsids'... these house a carbon encased larvae in the shape of a larvae... There is a capsid inside a capsid, inside the 'rock capsids' are these carbon larvae capsids: Out of these above come the live larvae... If they become stressed they turn back into carbon... I caught this one red handed converting back: No, I didn't study that dish using a progression... I have done some since... I'll find you one and post it...
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Post by fritolay66 on Oct 19, 2009 3:50:49 GMT -5
Has this been posted before? www.i-sis.org.uk/witness2.phpAlso the main glycoprotein found in the capsome envelope of Baculovirus is the GP64 but its affect in its ability to attach and infect another cell is pH mediated and occurs in a pH of 5.5 or lower. ?? It is also my understanding that polyhedral means six sided and in reference to Baculovirus, each side corresponds to a protein incorporated into the capsid. The capsid being that which houses the genomic information (DNA) of the virus. Two shapes commonly found in the Baculovirus are those of spherical or helix shaped of which I found of particular interest as they would be visually identified by microscopy as a cylinder or cone like capsid.
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Post by fritolay66 on Oct 19, 2009 4:00:41 GMT -5
Did you guys also realize that GP64 is related to two tick borne viruses? Still a good reference to the GP64 and some direction in which to go. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1733105
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Post by fritolay66 on Oct 19, 2009 7:54:31 GMT -5
I found many references to the affect of Baculovirus infecting liver cells, and now I have found one in which states the brain cells as well. What they all say is that it is capable of gene transfer, the gentically made form of Baculovirus.
The environmental Baculovirus, the normal virus, unaltered by man virus, is extremely stable and able to persist in the environment for many years before infecting an insect. This is why the Baculovirus was selected to be used in Bio-pesticides. The sources I have read all refer to the scorpion toxin as well and its use to make the Baculovirus less toxic to the unintended targets of insects, animals, and humans.
I am now very curious about the expressions and their mechanisms concerning the bio-pesticidal Baculovirus and human cells. Is it possible we could have a hepetitis like infection? Only this infection would be able to modify our own genes. I know about 15 years ago, Hepetitis C was considered a foreign hepetitis. By that I mean it was confined to the South American and etc. Countries. Over the last 15 years, the occurence of Hepetitis C in the United States has increased to such, that it is now accepted as common. I found dates in sources back to 1995 and 1997. Also, with morgellons sufferers there is the loss of ability to detoxify chemicals, deficiencies in enzymes and amino acids, the development of MCS, and so on.
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Post by fritolay66 on Oct 19, 2009 8:30:50 GMT -5
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Post by jeany on Oct 19, 2009 9:20:53 GMT -5
Hi Frito, thanks for participating on this thread. After reading your post about calcification and those crystals I thought about a previous research I've done on Phosphorus in fertilizers and the production of calcium particles so called Apatites. Apatites also are known to form in kidneys. I decided to look and see if calcium is used in the baculovirus assembly. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC110438/Mutational Analysis of the N-Linked Glycans on Autographa californica Nucleopolyhedrovirus gp64The transfer plasmids were used to produce recombinant baculoviruses encoding various gp64 N-glycosylation site mutants by homologous recombination in the gp64 region. A modified calcium phosphate precipitation method (44) was used to cotransfect Sf9 cells with individual transfer plasmids plus Bsu36I-linearized viral DNA from a recombinant baculovirus called AcMNPV/p34DZ5.Calcium phosphateen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calcium_phosphateFor the production of phosphoric acid and fertilizers, for example in the Odda process. Overuse of certain forms of calcium phosphate can lead to nutrient-containing surface runoff and subsequent adverse effects upon receiving waters such as algal blooms and eutrophication.Another practical application of the compound is its use in gene transfection of cells. It is not too well understood, but the calcium phosphate precipitate and DNA form a complex that is thought to help the DNA enter the cell. And this leads us to water!! Eutrophicationen.wikipedia.org/wiki/EutrophicationEutrophication is an increase in the concentration of chemical nutrients in an ecosystem to an extent that increases in the primary productivity of the ecosystem. Depending on the degree of eutrophication, subsequent negative environmental effects such as anoxia and severe reductions in water quality, fish, and other animal populations may occur. Eutrophication is frequently a result of nutrient pollution, such as the release of sewage effluent, urban stormwater run-off, and run-off carrying excess fertilizers into natural waters.Phosphorus is often regarded as the main culprit in cases of eutrophication in lakes subjected to point source pollution from sewage. The concentration of algae and the trophic state of lakes correspond well to phosphorus levels in water.Eutrophication is also a common phenomenon in marine, coastal waters. In contrast to freshwater systems, nitrogen is more commonly the key limiting nutrient of marine waters; thus, nitrogen levels have greater importance to understanding eutrophication problems in salt water. It has been suggested that accumulating reactive nitrogen in the environment may prove as serious as putting carbon dioxide in the atmosphere.Some algal blooms, otherwise called "nuisance algae" or "harmful algal blooms", are toxic to plants and animals. Toxic compounds they produce can make their way up the food chain, resulting in animal mortality. Freshwater algal blooms can pose a threat to livestock.
** Cyanobacteria!
When the algae die or are eaten, neuro- and hepatotoxins are released which can kill animals and may pose a threat to humans.Hepatotoxins cause liver damage..is this the connection to Hepatitis? And yes..as you mentioned Frito, also neurotoxins! Jeany
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Post by jeany on Oct 19, 2009 10:02:03 GMT -5
Here are all the bio-control agents listed: www.fertilizersandpesticides.com/bio-control-agents.htmlTriaccosal: It is one of the microorganism which is based on Trichoderma viride. Fluroissal: It is a bio-control agent which is microorganism based on Pseudomonas Fluorescens. ** this one..causing the 'glowing', fluorescent fibers?Beauveria Bassiana: It is a fungus which belongs to the entomopathogenic fungi that grows naturally in soils throughout the world, acts as a parasite on various insect species and used as a biological insecticide to control a number of pests such as termites, whitefly, different beetles. Verticillium lecanii: It is a genus of fungi belonging to Ascomycota, comprising saprotrophs and parasites of higher plants, insects, nematodes, mollusc eggs and other fungi. Metarrhizium anisopliae: It is a entomopathogenic fungus with a wide range of host species. Metarrhizium anisopliae is a common pathogen of insects and used to control insect populations. Gliocladium virens: It is a mitosporic filamentous fungus considered as a contaminant widely distributed in soil and decaying vegetation. Pythium oligandrum: It is an Oomycete which is a parasite of many fungi including Botrytis, Fusarium and Phytophthora. Pythium oligandrum is a biocontrol agent in the form of an oospore soil treatment, which reduces pathogen load and concomitant plant disease. Talaromyces flavus: It is an ascomycete fungus found in the soil or on rotting organic substrates such as fruits. Talaromyces flavus is used to control Verticillium wilt of eggplant which is caused by Verticillium dahliae. Arbuscular mycorrhizal: It is a symbiotic association between a fungus and the roots of a plant. In Arbuscular mycorrhizal association the fungus colonize the roots of a host plant either intracellularly or extracellularly. Bacillus subtilis: It is a gram-positive, catalase-positive bacterium commonly found in soil. Bacillus subtilis has the ability to form a tough, protective endospore, allowing the organism to tolerate extreme environmental conditions. **isn't this the one that was assumably causing movements in fibers? Enterobacter cloacae: It is a genus of common gram-negative, facultatively-anaerobic, rod-shaped bacteria of the family Enterobacteriaceae. Several strains of the bacteria are pathogenic and cause infections in hospitalized hosts. ** and this one..wasn't this one diagnosed in your friends skin samples, Kammy?Serratia entomophila: It is a microbial control agent and has a virus like structure. A granular formulation of Serratia entomophila has been developed to improve shelf-life and storage characteristics of this bacterium, which causes amber disease in the grass grub. Bacillus thuringiensis var. Kurstaki: It is a gram-positive, soil dwelling bacterium of the genus Bacillus. Bacillus thuringiensis occurs naturally in the gut of caterpillars of various types of moths and butterflies as well as on the dark surface of plants. Nuclear polyhedrosis virus (NPV): It belongs to the sub group Baculoviruses which is a virus affecting insects, moths and butterflies. Jeany
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Post by fritolay66 on Oct 19, 2009 13:58:37 GMT -5
Very interesting news you two. I am glad you are happy to have my participation and thank you for your welcome. Among the sources I scoured, there is a common deniability by the manufacturers of these bio-pesticides concerning the pathogenic tendency of infection in humans. All the sources citing manufacturers state that although Baculoviruses may infect liver cells, the result is non-pathogenic. Also I found more sources stating liver cell infection than brain cell infection. (See next thought about all this) Meaning it does not cause disease in the human. I found one source in which questions exactly the inability to find that confirmation of human infection and pathogenesis anywhere on the net. I sure didn't come up with any concrete source stating exactly that. But what I find oddly coincidental about the sources deniability and that on the net, is the coincidental fact that Baculoviruses are used for gene transfer pharmaceuticals such as many chemotherapeutic liver drugs due to the affinity of Baculovirus to human hepatocytes. This is a parallel study or practice now, of delivering these drugs and you have also found the connection to vaccination deliveries. It screams loudly to me at least that the claims of the opponents of utilizing Baculovirus bio-pesticides claims of human infection are on target and their concerns valid IMHO. The connection to vaccinations and the brain cells would be the significant rise in autism and the like in our children. My God, mix baculovirus with Lyme and what would you get? Mind boggling. And again, I must restate that the normal unadulterated form found in nature is stable and the gene transfer is stable. We know gene transfer is stable because of its longevity in the environment. But I must loudly declare, that many sources cite the same thing here again. That the recombinant or modified man made Baculovirus bio-pesticides and that of which is being found in vaccinations are considered by those writing these sources, to be very unstable and their capability of expression uncontrollable. Meaning, they don't know how the Baculovirus will react or interact causing whatever within the human body. But they have admitted that the outcome would be dire in some cases. They meaning the proponents against using the manufactured Baculoviruses in anything among the sources I have looked at. Yes, Jeany, it could very well lead to a Hepatitis like manifestation. I absolutely know that Morgellons affects the liver enzymes and pathways. We know this simply by the medical histories of many Morgies. Let us all remember, if Baculovirus does indeed invade the liver cells, (pretty clear by parallel studies and uses), then liver function can be affected by many different means. Especially if the expression of whatever infects them is unknown and known to be unstable. Meaning expression can differ from each person. Some might suffer from GP6 phosphatase deficiency, others iatrogenic hepatitis, others from cholesterol control, the upteen many detox pathways, T cells initiation and maturation, yadi ya. Also of interest, I did find one source stating pancreatic infection was possible. I hope I saved the link to that one. I have to work late tonight so wont be back till later. Very interesting turn of events. Oooo...a couple of other things before I forget. Heres another thing to think about. Its probably nothing, but if baculovirus infects insects. Say the human whom has the Baculovirus in their cells and they get an external parasite issue. Scabies, mites, whatever. Then the Baculovirus could then "complicate" the treatment couldn't it? Virons are capable of communicating resistance factors correct? Ivermectin is the last stop in the parasite order, they don't have anything else after that except higher doses and longer courses of treatments. Ivermectin has been showing cases of resistance for twenty years or so. It has actually been in use since if I remember correctly the late fifties. There are some areas in the US in which the entire area is resistant. Can you imagine if this were true? I wonder about that and the connection to the smaller parasite invasions and the similarities in their structure and function. There was one more thing but I am tired, can't remember, and have to work. Have a great day everyone. Frito
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Post by fritolay66 on Oct 19, 2009 16:01:45 GMT -5
Cripes....I can't believe I forgot this earlier and it is so weird, I had to tell you about it.
Today, I had to get an immunization for my son in order for him to stay in school. Otherwise, the blackmail of it all is that they are expelled until proof can be sought they have received these.
Anywho, I won't go off here on a rant, but I thought you all might find it interesting that one of the questions about their health history is whether they have or currently are living or working in the agricultural arena. At the immunization office.
In the sources I read, one of the plausible deniability routes proponents for using Bio-pesticides, were that only agricultural workers or those whom ate the produce might be at increased risk for Baculoviral pathogenecity.
You can now appreciate why I found it so ironic. This is a huge red flag folks, why would it matter if it wasn't really pathogenic. It must be dose dependant as well, what do you think?
Frito
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Post by kammy on Oct 19, 2009 19:12:40 GMT -5
Oooooooooooooooooooo boy! I got my keyboard fixed today... NOW... I can chat up a storm with ya', Frito... Of course, they are going to deny that we have fungus gnat, nematodes, parasitic wasps, moths, other flies, spiders, etc., under our skins and some of us have even produced live insects or larvae, we're living proof that this can happen. It's possible that they no longer do affect humans... but, at some point someone screwed up, we're proof? If they keep denying it, they can continue to make money. These insects are not natural, they are obviously GM insects. Pathology can run tests all day long and not find anything known because these insects aren't in pathology data banks for them to do a comparison to. Their insides and shells are rainbow colored goo that came from magic pixie dust, only the lab scientist that created these entities knows what's in them and we won't find it printed anywhere, more than likely. The Believers and Non-Believers If nothing else, this fascinating subject matter to research. What I'm thinking is... there are believers and non-believers within the Morgellons community as to whether live bugs/larvae are involved because?... you fill in the blank, folks? Not too many people like bugs, want to be associated with bugs, to be associated with people with bugs, or with a disease that hatches bugs!, etc., we all have an insect/bug, it's too much, threshold level! ;D I get upset with the people that try to create distance in this community by sectioning us off into categories... we're already Lepers out on an island... and now we have people in our group that want to sector us depending on our symptoms? You that have live bugs... you go to those caves over there... we don't want to associate with you for fear that we might be seen to have live bugs too... ;D As humans, we tend to base our reality on what we have experienced? If you have Morgellons and never had a live larvae/insect hatch out of your skin... what are we to believe? I'm just a 'baby', one year, five months from very evident Morgellons... approximately 1 year ago, I was having a live larvae infestation, in the meantime, I took a lot of anti-parasiticals. Since then, I haven't had anything live hatch from my skin. Did I kill the baculoviral aspect of my Morgellons? Is that's what's happening? Those that take anti-parasiticals in the beginning never get to a live insect/larval state? Well?... and because I took anti-parasiticals I won't be seeing live larvae hatch ever again, so therefore, this baculoviral aspect is a minimal factor of Morgellons? I believe that because my ear still emits large quantities of 'debris'... just possibly minus the baculovirus... that my body chose this point to eliminate these toxins and for the baculoviral aspect to show itself initially... that these remaining specks (crystals, spheres, sand, glass, etc.) WERE a part of a baculoviral system at one time. And, in our searching, we're going to find what is wrong with us initiated within this system. These other spheres and particles are a part of the baculovirus system whether or not I am still emitting live larvae or insects. This is where I am coming from. That if these other particles were introduced separately... well... they chose the baculoviral system to latch onto to become a part of... honestly, I believe they think my ear is a caterpillar because that's the shape of it. AND... this really got me... we've got people saying that because we are proposing that a fungus gnat/fly is involved this makes us look as if we are unclean people, that we are a dirty sort, not bathing, poor hygiene, live in unsanitary homes... etc. That we are trying to create a negative campaign about Morgellons Disease because there's a fly involved. Hygiene and cleanliness have nothing to do with it. I am saying that baculovirus are acquired through our food and water, it doesn't matter how dirty or clean you are when you're ingesting these... it is not a factor. Anyone can be the victim of a gnat that just decided to land on your dinner plate or glass rim and lay an egg while you weren't looking, they are everywhere. Most of us had no clue, me included, that these shenanigans were happening with our food, in particular. I don't care if they don't affect humans, I DON'T WANT THEM IN MY FOOD... at all! I believe this is the way most people would approach this...? Comments anyone?
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