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Post by toni on Sept 1, 2009 18:21:20 GMT -5
I don't even know where to start with this, so I'll just start.
Okay, several months ago in our refrigerator that I keep immaculate (have to say that part ;D) heheh "cause it's true" I'm anal, I keep everything lined up according to bottle heights, etc.
Just want to give you the whole picture so you know it's not at all cause I have an icky frig, cause this is important to "maybe ALL OF US".
Anyways, a few months ago, under the very very last drawer (the crisper) in the frig, when I pulled out the drawer....as I was cleaning the whole thing, there were a gazillion DEAD GNATS, lying in the very bottom.
The 'condensation/water' goes there sometimes.
I could not figure out HOW all those gnats were there!
I mean there was NOT one single gnat anywhere but there.
Then my sister tells me that she had a gazillion dead gnats in front grove part of her freezer!
Now...her freezer had to have a new thermostat put in just last week because it was messing up, sometimes making ice, and sometimes not.
The WATER/ICE was thawing in the FRONT part of her freezer, like was "my condensation/water" in the bottom of my frig.
Then "last night"...we noticed on the top tiles of our bathtub in the corner, where the glass meets the shower next to it...there's about 200 DEAD GNATS all in this tiny area only (about a 4x4") spot. Water sometimes gets though from the shower to the tiles around the top of the bathtub.
They were not there yesterday that I could see...but maybe the water contained EGGS that hatched!
We figure that "some days" the WATER must be loaded with gelatinous eggs of the larvae, and when the running water deposits them, and then the water dries up....the EGGS being in their gelatinous matrix are protected UNTIL:
They hatch!
Then the gnats can no longer survive because they've broken out of their "eggs" and there then lies ALL the DEAD GNATS.
They HAVE to be in the water (maybe not every day of the week) but a simple experiment ((( please do ))) too if you can.
Take 7 paper cups ((mark them Mon-Sun)), and put in just a tsp or three of water then cover with saran and a rubber band.
That way you'll get 7 different days worth of your water.
See which cups from what day of the week ends up hatching into GNATS!
You'll see...there's GNAT eggs in the water...seriously!
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Post by toni on Sept 1, 2009 18:46:05 GMT -5
Black fly larvae of various species may be found in every type of flowing water, from minute seepages in which the flow is scarcely detectable, to the largest rivers and waterfalls. Each species seems to have its preferences for streams of a certain width, velocity, and character; springs and seepages have their own particular black fly species, whereas large rivers and water falls support a different fauna. Most species seem rare; in contrast, some are so abundant that their larvae carpet thousands of square metres of river bottom. Each larva normally remains fixed in one place, clinging by means of a ring of numerous minute hooklets at its posterior end to a small pad of "silk," a salivary secretion that the larva attaches to an object in the current. Using the same structures as the mosquito larva (labral brushes, man dibles, maxillae, and so forth), though modified extensively for coping with moving water, the black fly larva filter feeds by straining small particles, in the form of algae and detritus, from the water that flows past. Larvae cannot easily discriminate between different types of particles and swallow everything within a certain size range that gets caught by their mouthparts, including the fecal pellets of larvae upstream. In this respect they are important recyclers of nutrient material. Their inability to discriminate between particles also renders them vulnerable to being fed insecticides in the form of tiny pellets. Although black fly larvae can remain for long periods in one place, anchored to their small pad of silk, they are capable of changing positions. After attaching a new pad of silk, the larva grasps it with the hooklets at the end of its anterior proleg (a finger-like projection just behind and below the head), releases its posterior hold and brings the posterior hooklets for ward to grasp the new pad. A larva can thus progress, albeit slowly, in a looper-like fashion. stingpain.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=21&Itemid=50
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Post by toni on Sept 1, 2009 19:00:31 GMT -5
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Post by toni on Sept 1, 2009 19:02:21 GMT -5
MRF too says this (organisms have been found in the water heaters)...
Is it "from something in the water" all over?
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Post by kammy on Sept 1, 2009 21:24:07 GMT -5
Toni,
If your gnats are looking like my gnats over here in Atlanta... and why wouldn't they? Kill them, bomb them! Those aren't ordinary gnats!! Those are Morg Gnats!
I'm going to put some more photos out of what these gnat eggs look like just because you started this thread.
I went over to a friend's house the other night... and she's been real supportive throughout my illness, there's been a few times I've picked at my ear and dropped a few 'spheres and specks' around her house. She had so many gnats flying around her house! I commented on it... and she said... "I don't why I have all these gnats?"... and me and Jeany look at each other - because of what we just discovered!
These GM eggs can swim in pure alcohol, gasoline, turpentine and pretend like it's swimming pool water.
AND, when I was at the Atlanta Airport the other day, guess what... gnats everywhere! I checked my ear to see if they were coming out... but, it wasn't me... lol
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Post by toni on Sept 1, 2009 21:33:56 GMT -5
Kammy,
That sure is incredible about all the gnats you're seeing too.
Now here's what really the weirdest thing.
The gnats I'm seeing (which is a lot) they're all together (and DEAD).
None flying around...just "piles of them here and there"...but all dead.
My sis too. Her's are all dead.
It's super weird!
And I was looking on the internet today (on chat sites where many many others are talking about the same thing too!)
They're also finding "dead gnats" conglomerated together.
One guy said the next day in his "dry bathtub" there were hundreds of dead gnats.
I don't understand why these are all "dead"...and clumped together.
What do you think??
( I was thinking "they're hatching and dying after they hatch" - and only being able to get to that stage because they're in their gelatinous egg matrix, which might be what's keeping them alive till they reach a more mature stage??)
I don't know though. But I'll sure say it's like MAJOR Twilight Zone stuff.
Thanks for sharing too about what's happening in your area.
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Post by kammy on Sept 1, 2009 21:41:03 GMT -5
I had a gnat land in my grapefruit juice, it was still alive. I took the pipette (suction) and pulled her out and put her on a slide - with the grapefruit juice still around her and put a slide cover over and photographed her while she was still alive. I come back a couple of days later and looked at her again under the microscope and see that she laid eggs in her death. I could see these eggs had life, there was like a 'shimmer' energy coming from them... So, I took these eggs - out of curiosity and put them in a Petri Dish by themselves. Cultured 8/11/09 - photographed on 8/30/09 @100x: my-stuff-dot-com.com/My Stuff/Personal1/Morgellons313/My Photos 212/Other/Fly File/8 30 09 Eggs/08_30_14.JPEG[/img] my-stuff-dot-com.com/My Stuff/Personal1/Morgellons313/My Photos 212/Other/Fly File/8 30 09 Eggs/08_30_1.JPEG[/img] And, there was one that produced 'something' that had 'something' growing inside of it.... (where's the scary face?): my-stuff-dot-com.com/My Stuff/Personal1/Morgellons313/My Photos 212/Other/Fly File/8 30 09 Eggs/08_30_8.JPEG[/img] my-stuff-dot-com.com/My Stuff/Personal1/Morgellons313/My Photos 212/Other/Fly File/8 30 09 Eggs/08_30_9.JPEG[/img]
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Post by kammy on Sept 1, 2009 22:00:05 GMT -5
I haven't seen large numbers of them dead in piles, Toni. I'll have to think about that one and get back to you. From what I remember reading on Jo's paper, the MDR fly 'expert', they go through 4 stages (instars) before they pupate (turn into adults), in that last stage there's a hard shell-like cocoon they come out of. I could be wrong, I'm not a fly expert. I'm not seeing that mine follow what is natural, mine are definitely GM insects. Is there any way you can get one on a slide and take his photograph? And, the wings are very important for identification purposes. What's happening in my house, I'm seeing one every once in a while. I think the 'debris spheres' that are going down into my sink trap, are hatching, turning into adults and then coming back up into the house? They make a products to put down your sink traps - "Lord of the Flies"... ha ha I found several that had just hatched recently in my dishwasher!!!! And, I had just washed the dishes the day before... I killed all of them, put bleach in the dishwasher and then re-ran the cycle. My kitchen sink and dishwasher are tied in together... not sure if it ties in above or below the sink trap? I don't know if you've read what I posted, but, the GM version tends to reproduce during or before death, or my gnat did, I don't know if it's something it's programmed to do or if that was just what happened? So, even if you have dead ones... there's a possiblity that there's microscopic eggs involved still... and these eggs aren't your ordinary eggs either! They're Morg Eggs! I have a septic tank system too, I wonder...
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Post by Acacian Immolation on Sept 1, 2009 22:42:26 GMT -5
i wrote about this during my onset.. several posts about it back in 06'
i had a real bad problem in my fridge/freezer with tiny gnats in humid orlando florida
i couldn't understand why all these dead gnats were in my fridge
i had the maintenance man come and check it out.. turns out the water line going to the fridge was full of mold from never being cleaned.
the larvae feed on the mold in the tube and then come out.. then freeze to death.
maybe you've got the same thing going on in an uncleaned tub drain pipe with lots of mold buildup.
dunno if gnat eggs/larvae can survive the chemicals in our drinking water we put in there to kill everything.. my guess is that the one who layed the eggs smelled the fungus from outside the drain/water pipe and got to it somehow.. went there and layed their eggs.
but anyway the guy cleaned it out and no more gnats. :edit: no he replaced it rather. (the water tube to the fridge/freezer)
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Post by toni on Sept 2, 2009 7:50:53 GMT -5
Kammy, I'll get a good pic of one today. They sure do look like fungus gnats, the ones that keep ending up all over in these (scenes) where they're all dead. Those are some incredible pics too. Not sure what they are, but it looks like something is developing. Something else that's weird (don't know what else to call it), but I remember back from 06 too till now...(every blue moon, I'll see one flying around), not often at all (it's all the dead ones ending up in one spot that's got me more puzzled than anything). But even spraying one with Windex, and hairspray didn't kill it. Not to go too far off track either, but I remember my folks in CA talking about ants, how on the side walks they'd (and the neighbors) too said the ants were in wider swaths than they'd ever seen, and they spoke about how difficult those were to kill too. Acacian, I hear ya about the dead gnats in the freezer like my sister's house too. And then them freezing to death. That makes sense. But...when piles of dead gnats end up (as they did yesterday on the bathtub side) just "there"...is what's really weird to me, cause they didn't freeze ontop the tiles of the bathtub. Not that I'm being silly...( I need help ) with trying to figure this out. How could they do this? Just "end up" in piles of them all in one place (just laying there dead) do you think? Thank you, need the feedback. Cause there was nothing that would have killed them being where they are. To the right is the glass and tile shower, but the gnats are on the top of the tiles (where the bath tub is on the other side of the glass). (them being in the water, then getting into freezer water makes sense, but this with them "just there" on the top of the bathtub doesn't. What I mean is (there's a tiling like a shelf like) around the tub where plants or nick knacks can be placed) ...that's where they're all dead. On that shelf part. I guess the best way (maybe?) to see if the eggs are in the water is (put some water covered into paper cups)? Also my question is...(since these gnats were all full grown and dead just there ontop the tiles)...why do you think they were "there"? I mean since they hatched...why would they be all dead together like that? Thank you. (ps, I just put black dots there) where the gnats are on this picture of our bathroom. There's hundreds though, but it would have just looked black if I speckled it with as many as there are). Just wanted to give you an idea (cause this is the bath part of the bathroom) where they all are. I mean they could have been by the sinks or anywhere, but they're all here ontop the tile on the otherside of the shower, and sometimes water DOES leak through the shower glass in that spot cause it needs more silicone caulking around the rubber part that holds the glass. That's why I'm thinking (they're in the water).
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Post by toni on Sept 2, 2009 10:38:54 GMT -5
Here's one of the hundreds of gnats at 10X magnification next to a penny.
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Post by toni on Sept 2, 2009 10:40:39 GMT -5
Here's a pic at 60X magnification of it's segmented antenna. (I have a drop of water on this sucker to move it about on the slide).... UGH GROSS-ola this is
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Post by toni on Sept 2, 2009 10:43:14 GMT -5
60X mag - using underneath lighting for best wing picture.
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Post by toni on Sept 2, 2009 10:46:30 GMT -5
60X mag overhead YUCKO (don't know why this gives me the serious cooties)
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Post by toni on Sept 2, 2009 10:55:25 GMT -5
60X mag Good underneath lighting shot of his wing. Notice the little hairs outlining the wing too? ugh-ugh..yuck
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Post by toni on Sept 2, 2009 11:02:41 GMT -5
( 200 X magnification of the gnat hairs on the wing)
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Post by Acacian Immolation on Sept 2, 2009 14:15:37 GMT -5
when the tub is dry... put scotch tape over the whole thing...sealed ...few hours later peel it off. if there be gnats on yer tape then there gnats in tha pipes below matey! maybee try this over night
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Post by toni on Sept 2, 2009 14:53:10 GMT -5
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Post by toni on Sept 2, 2009 15:00:52 GMT -5
Acacian, I'm not sure exactly what you mean. (sorry) I don't use the bath tub, (not since Morgs). In fact (I don't use any bathtubs). I do though (use this shower sometimes). The 2 other showers and bathtubs do not have this happening with the gnats at all. Only (this bathtub "on the tile shelf of the tub") but as you see (it's not in the shower) the dead gnats are on the other side of the glass of the shower, not in the shower. They're all ontop the "tiles that go around the bathtub in that corner... Not sure if you can tell by that picture, as I cut it up only to show the one spot. See the shower is right there on the right, (cut up) in the pic. That's where you step in. The tub is on the left (of the shower part) they're not together. They only are side by side. So I'm not sure where to tape? (and thank you)
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Post by jo on Sept 2, 2009 15:56:26 GMT -5
That a girl Toni The 'V' at the end of the wing is the major distinctive fungus gnat feature. ummm any chance you could squish one or use your fine needle work skills to have a lookie at its insides?? Then you'll know if its a 'Morg fungus gnat' or not, like mine was: www.morgellonsuk.org.uk/fungus_gnat_investigation.htmI know its a big ask Jo xxx
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