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Post by toni on Dec 17, 2009 11:31:58 GMT -5
Geeeze,
Goodness. Ruth, I just re-read your post.
So you mean the "cherry ball looking things" the sporangia are what are making the amber flecks after they join, then the amber flecks form??
Thank you!
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Post by ruth on Dec 17, 2009 14:09:22 GMT -5
toni, that is what it looks like to me.
check out the slideshow pics again.
it grows throughout the culture layer upon layer.
some of the sporangia flatten out like watermelon seed and meld together into a solid film, clear and amber, and chunks.
look at the pic with the (i call them) vacuoles 2 large ghost circles
those branches are forming (from melded sporangia)and melded together hyphae.
but they are making honeycomb patterns with those branches and vacuoles when i look down into it.
the green shoots fold to form shapes and then fills in and is attaching to the absidia dark green/black
it will also break thru the solid film and appear as a thick black ribbon type.
i just e-mailed natural link to see if the green in my dishes was in theirs and if so would it be the ulocladium chartarum. i also told them if other species grow i would be happy to pay for that information.
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Post by bannanny on Dec 17, 2009 18:15:34 GMT -5
Yeah Sid... you can't give up now. We're onto something and it wouldn't surprise me one bit if this thing is playing with us becuz of it. I know that sounds a little "off" on my part, but nothing surprises me about this thing and how it works. So we can't let it win or make us feel discouraged. It's trying to do the same thing to me and even tho I feel pretty beaten right now, I still will never ever give up. Toni, I'm seeing tons of the amber things too again, except now they're bigger. They look more like a toothpick does, but only about 1/8th of an inch long. Very sharp tho and break like glass out of my feet and head. The pic you showed of the white glob of goo is just like the goo that comes out of my hands and feet, etc. But remember how it looks once it's dried and I rub it out of my hands? It comes out in those amber colored "sticks" now... just like what I put in my culture dish here... So it's possible the goo is a part of what's making up the amber specs and sticks too. hugs ~~ bannanny
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Post by bannanny on Dec 17, 2009 22:08:56 GMT -5
Well I'll be damned... I'm copying and pasting this into both stickied mold threads as well. I didn't find the same article I've been looking for, but I found a pdf file with tons of info on alot of what we're showing in our cultures, including Alternaria and Chaetomium. But it also says the same thing about Chaetomium in that very first article I came across about it 4 years ago... that the building can't even be remediated from it by burning it down. The heat wouldn't even be hot enough to kill it. So how do I get rid of it in me? God help us all. I put the link to the article at the end of this post... it includes pics and has tons of info. It's a very informative article tho... and scary too. It talks about Chaetomium, Cladosporium, Aspergillus, Alternata alternaria (which ruth and I both show) and Penicillum, Fusarium, and Stachybotrys. When you go to the link, scroll down towards the bottom where it starts to talk about each of the molds. Here's a few excerpts I had to type out, cuz I don't know how to copy and paste anything when it's in a pdf format... It talks about how Aspergillus can cause fatal lung infections... which we've seen happen here to our friends. Fusarium causes cutaneous lesions. Cladosporium even grows better in refrigerators (I know something's growing in mine) and window frames (remember my window frame story on the back door?) and causes skin lesions, Edema, etc. too ruth. Aspergillus produces the aflotoxins B1, B2, G1, and G2, which are carcinogenic, mutagenic, and tetragenic ... causes liver and kidney damage and infect and colonize in the respiratory system... Alternaria appears as a velvety turf with long soft hairs, color ranges from dark olive green to brown. Commonly found in soil, seeds and plants... it produces a unique group of mycotoxins, lethally toxic to young birds and associated with hypersensitivity and pneumonitis. Acute symptoms include Edema, Bronchiospasms and pulmonary Emphysema. Alternaria is also tetragenic (capable of altering DNA) and capable of damaging the human immune system. It also causes granulomatous lesions.Here's what it said about Chaetomium, which is the same thing it said in that very first article I read about it 4 years ago when it was identified in my home by mold inspectors. Wonder why they didn't know about this back then? BTW, my ex-boyfriend who spent alot of time here has Primary Progressive MS... Chaetomium species are notorious for their ability to digest the cellulose fibers in cotton and paper, thereby destroying these materials. In buildings which have recently experienced water damage, Chaetomium is frequently found on drywall, and paper products. It produces the mycotoxin Chaetoglobosin which is known to block cytoplasmic cell division. There has also been a noticeably high incidence of autoimmune diseases, including MS and Lupus, linked with exposure to this mycotoxin. Chaetoglobosin is also known to be tetragenic and causes permanent damage to DNA. There have been cases involving serious infestations of Chaetomium in which the only way to solve the problem was to bury the infected building. This was done because the infestations were not remediatable, and burning the buildings would not have been hot enough to kill the mycotoxin. In it's toxicity, Chaetomium is second only to Stachybotrys on potency, and is much more common.I might as well just bury myself. www.inspect.net/Documents/MOLDINFOPACKETPROOFD.pdflove you guys ~~ bannanny
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Post by toni on Dec 18, 2009 13:02:53 GMT -5
Summary of Findings:
• Dominant fungi isolated on sample: Aspergillus fumigatus and Yeasts.
Aspergillus fumigatus and Yeasts.
50% on each.
LAB RESULTS from Dr. Abbotts!
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Post by Sidney on Dec 18, 2009 14:21:35 GMT -5
YES! Wonderful you received your results today instead of waiting until next week.
Look at all the species of Aspergillus....OH MY GOSH.
I am so happy for you, Toni-Sue.
WONDERFUL NEWS......hoping for more news soon as they should have dishes from several of us by now.
WHOOPEE! Also Yee-Haw!
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Post by bannanny on Dec 18, 2009 20:40:18 GMT -5
Yep, great (well you know what I mean) news toni. Seems Aspergillus is prominent so far, altho mine showed A. niger. But still, some common denominators at least.
hugs ~~ bannanny
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Post by Sidney on Dec 18, 2009 20:48:50 GMT -5
Bannanny, one of our mutual friends cultured her sputum and was pretty certain just eyeballing it, that it grew Aspergillus niger.
New supply of culture plates arrived today, but no point in sending them to people until after Christmas....and frankly, I just have to put it on hold until then. Lagging behind, wanting it "over."
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Post by toni on Dec 18, 2009 21:34:14 GMT -5
Yes, I'm glad to know this too.
Here's something really weird.
I'm growing the cottony stuff in a petri dish. It took about 2 weeks to grow here at home.
And I've got another petri dish Sid sent me (thank you) and just about 8 days ago, if that, I had this amber colored thing on my face. I felt it tickling. I picked it off, and put it into another "clean" petri dish. I just looked at the petri dish. It's FULL blown with cottony hyphae (just like all the others) I've seen grown. How weird is that?
So now I've got two 'cottony FULL petri dishes' yet that's not what seemed to grow in the dish that was sent to Dr. Abbotts. I just don't get it. Unless Aspergillus at a stage of it's growth looks like "Rhizopus". Because both of these petri's I have sitting here are full blown Rhizo looking with the sporangia.
And they're growing what looks identical to the very first dish too (in the Prolabs).
Yet...my diag is Aspergillus and yeast(s).
I've not had any sign of 'yeasts' or it's just growing subcutaneously. No mouth issues, no none of the other either, no rashes, (just symmetrical lesions) I had in the beginning.
I guess I need to really dig in, and "get to know them".
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Post by Sidney on Dec 18, 2009 22:18:15 GMT -5
Is anyone keeping track of the species that have been cultured to date?
Guess we should be keeping track of them in a designated spot.
Everytime someone gets news of what's been growing in their dish submitted to Dr. Abbott's lab, they could update by posting to that thread.
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Post by ruth on Dec 19, 2009 12:31:01 GMT -5
toni, your culture report is very confusing to me as our cultures appeared the same and i was expecting the same results because you pop out those hard white things like i do. those were put in my culture dish.
you too??? with me, the yeasts would be the absidia corymbifera as they are pleomorphic.
the absidia and rhizopus look pretty much the same.
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Post by toni on Dec 19, 2009 13:01:46 GMT -5
Ruth, I know what you mean. And I guess I sort of figure it this way with the petri dish that was examined.
Had they gotten a bit of everything, more probably would have been identified.
Sort of like a biopsy in a way. The docs can only examine what is snipped...even though there might be something else but "they're only able to see from what specimens they got".
And had they had more, they may have discovered more.
So, I'm glad to know though what I have learned, but, I do think had I given them even more specimens, more would have been revealed.
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Post by ruth on Dec 19, 2009 13:03:25 GMT -5
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Post by toni on Dec 19, 2009 13:58:26 GMT -5
Ruth...what and who is that?
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Post by ruth on Dec 19, 2009 14:52:22 GMT -5
its off the internet of cutaneous aspergillos
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Post by toni on Dec 19, 2009 17:17:29 GMT -5
OMG.
You know, before I began using baby tearless shampoo suds for my eyes, I had white things that would come out of them.
And I mean the "actual eyeballs" the things would come out of.
I'd gone to several eye docs because I thought I had pieces of glass inside them that were pushing their way out....but none of the doctors could see a thing with all that equipment.
I found that the suds of the baby shampoo has totally resolved my eye problems. Now, if I don't use it...(for a month or longer) then the eye problems, (scratching, blurry, gunkiness) all that will come back.
So...I use it once a month whether I need to or not....cause I know what will happen if I don't.
When I first started out, I had to use it a few times a week though.
I wish the baby shampoo would work on the "tunnel" or this fungi as easily.
Maybe it will. I've never tried it "left on".
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Post by bannanny on Dec 21, 2009 16:20:30 GMT -5
Got this email from Dr. Thrasher...
Thank you. Let us wait and see the cultures from others. I think that we need to stick to a one lab source of I.D.
I tend to agree with him on that.
hugs ~~ bannanny
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Post by kammy on Dec 22, 2009 20:23:12 GMT -5
Where are we putting our test results from Dr. Abbott's lab, which thread?
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Post by bannanny on Dec 22, 2009 23:41:53 GMT -5
They're on both threads I think kammy... and on my culture results thread too maybe (I'm not sure tho.) We're all getting different results tho... some are the same but not all of them. So who knows what we're getting from all this. I emailed Dr. Abbott and asked him some questions, but I haven't heard back yet. He's probably on Christmas vacation. Speakin of which... I hear you're lovin Germany girl!
hugs ~~ bannanny
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Post by kammy on Dec 23, 2009 21:46:21 GMT -5
My tests results came back as:
NO FUNGAL GROWTH
(I had a similar test done in the summer - it also came back as 'nothing'.)
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