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Post by Sidney on Jan 21, 2010 20:01:38 GMT -5
I guess, from the lack of response, that the information doesn't really matter. I'd like to thank those in which were responsible for my being able to get these results. It really meant a lot for me and my son. Frito Frito, I didn't see your response on this thread until this very moment. I thought you had posted your results only on Kammy's request thread, so it's possible others thought that as well. I'm thrilled you received your results. Thank you so much for posting them here.
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Post by ppy18 on Jan 23, 2010 18:34:36 GMT -5
got my natural link mold lab results back. don't know what it means yet but here they are
aureobasidium pullulans 33% non sporulating 33% penicillium decumbens 33%
gonna post this on ruths thread too. my back is killing me so i can't sit at the computer long enough to research any of this but will look into it further maybe tomorrow or monday
ppy
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Post by Sidney on Jan 23, 2010 20:22:21 GMT -5
Kelly is in pain, and that probably accounts for her writing Pro-Labs instead of the Natural Link Mold Lab which is where she sent her petri dish and from which she received the results.
More new species....blows my mind.
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Post by Sidney on Jan 29, 2010 22:10:27 GMT -5
Adding Freaky's results here, following PPY18 Kelly's results
Sample Identification: Face lesions and eyebrows; MEA plate; 01-14-2010 Fungi Isolated Plate Count (CFU/plate) Botrytis cinerea 2 Alternaria alternata 1 Pithomyces chartarum 1 TOTAL 4
Summary of Findings: • Dominant fungi isolated on sample: Botrytis cinerea. • Sample condition/limitations: Total number of fungi detected may have been underestimated due to overgrowth of rapidly growing fungi (Botrytis cinera); calculated counts are approximate and the total number of CFU’s present may have been underestimated due to this limitation.
• Sensitivity: 1 CFU/plate. • See Summary Table (22445-R01A). 4900 Mill Street Suite 3 Reno, NV 89502 Natural Link MOLD LAB Summary Table Fungal Culture, Full Species ID Miscellaneous, culture
Alternaria alternata 25% 50% Pithomyces chartarum 25%
Report # 22445-R01A Page 1 of 1 Botrytis cinerea
Go back to page 15 of this thread to begin viewing all results to date from Natural Link Mold Lab.
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Post by freaky on Feb 3, 2010 21:09:32 GMT -5
Would anyone be up to making a chart, or whatever that word is in my mind, so we could cross reference who has what? Like all together? I'm not the appropriate person to draw it up, but maybe there's somebody, a really great somebody that likes to do that sort of thing.
Hugs, freaky
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Post by bannanny on Feb 25, 2010 17:43:26 GMT -5
Pasting what I said in the other mold thread and my "amber webs again" thread here as well... I sent him (Dr. Abbott) some more info regarding the amber webs and got a reply (which I also just posted on my "amber webs again" thread. Here's what he said... Hi Robin,
These pics came through fine this time. I am not sure about the amber fibers, but we can analyze these for you if you wish. We would perform a microscopic examination, and you can collect the material in a small zip-lock bag to send to the lab. Cost for micro exam is $30. We would be able to determine if these are insect/spider related materials and whether the amber color and fibers have any fungal elements.
The more I think about your Chaetomium question, the more I wonder if there is more environmental involvement with mold rather that infectious disease. While some Chaetomium species have been reported as infectious agents, others have been shown to produce mycotoxins. We should seriously think about environmental surveys homes of Morg patients... More on this after I think about a protocol for testing...
SeanSo I replied back telling him I would send him some of the webs either in a zip lock or in the dish you sent me Sid. I'm waiting to see which he prefers I do. I also told him about what all's involved in morgs that's been identified thru research thus far. Anyway, as always I'll keep you posted whenever I hear anything from him. He really is a great guy... I'm glad we have him on our side! love ya's ~~ bannanny
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Post by Sidney on Apr 1, 2010 22:52:22 GMT -5
This Morgellons Patient resides in Iowa. Two Natural Link Mold plates were sent to Dr. Abbott's Lab for culturing and identification of mold/fungus.
Results are shown below.
22903
Misc. Culture Fungal Culture, Species ID 22903-R01
Morgellons
03-05-2010
March 29, 2010
Analytical Laboratory Report
FINAL REPORT
Project/PO:
Control ID #
Sean P. Abbott, Ph.D.
Analytical Director, Natural Link MOLD LAB, Inc.
AIHA (EMPAT) Laboratory Identification: 162969
Texas Department of State Health Services, Mold Analysis Laboratory License Number: LAB0146
Report submitted to:
Natural Link MOLD LAB 4900 Mill Street
Suite 3
Reno, NV 89502
Received:
Report#: 22903-R01 Analysis Date: 03-29-2010
Laboratory Results authorized by Sean P. Abbott, Ph.D., Analytical Director
Natural Link MOLD LAB, Inc. reports sample results as a record of the microbes identified by our analytical staff. Any guidance given with regards to sampling methods, interpretation of results, remediation,
health effects, or other information given to the client, beyond microbial identification, is given as general information from published sources and is not an extension of liability to Natural Link MOLD LAB,
Inc. Natural Link MOLD LAB, Inc. establishes responsibility over analysis completed in the laboratory but cannot establish responsibility for activities completed in the field by the client, other personnel
associated with the samples submitted, or other activities beyond the laboratory. All reports are confidential and are not to be reproduced, except in whole, without the permission of Natural Link MOLDLAB,
Inc.
Natural Link MOLDLAB, Inc., 4900 Mill Street, Suite 3, Reno, NV 89502 phone: (775) 356-6653 1
Analytical Laboratory Report
Fungal Culture, Full Species ID
Miscellaneous, Culture
Account Name: xxxx xxxxxx Control ID: 22903
Project/P.O.: Morgellons Date Received: 03-05-2010
Submitter: xxxx xxxxxx Date Reported: 03-29-2010
Sample Identification: 1; MEA plate; 03-05-2010
Fungi Isolated Plate Count (CFU/plate)
Aspergillus versicolor 2
Cladosporium sphaerospermum 2
Penicillium commune 2
Fusarium moniliforme 1
Phoma species 1
Yeasts 1
TOTAL 9
Summary of Findings:
• Dominant fungi isolated on sample: Aspergillus versicolor, Cladosporium sphaerospermum and Penicillium commune.
• Sensitivity: 1 CFU/plate.
• See Summary Table (22903-R01A).
Sample Identification: 2; MEA plate; 03-05-2010
Fungi Isolated Plate Count (CFU/plate)
Aspergillus candidus 8
Basidiomycetes 4
Aspergillus niger 1
Aspergillus versicolor 1
Eurotium (Asp.) herbariorum 1
Penicillium chrysogenum 1
Penicillium paxilli 1
Scopulariopsis brevicaulis 1
TOTAL 18
Summary of Findings:
• Dominant fungi isolated on sample: Aspergillus candidus.
• Sensitivity: 1 CFU/plate.
• See Summary Table (22903-R01A).
4900 Mill Street
Suite 3
Reno, NV 89502
Natural Link MOLD LAB
Summary Table
Fungal Culture, Species ID
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Post by fritolay66 on Apr 2, 2010 6:54:07 GMT -5
Sidney,
That is one impressive list of fungii~~Do you know how and where this sample came from?
Because there were so many, I am wondering if Iowa did an environmental sample, or if not, enviromental contamimation of some of them. In which case another sample may be in order?
I see Iowa has some of the same strains I had in mine, and then some strains in common with others.
Has Iowa been or are they being treated?
Frito
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Post by Sidney on Apr 2, 2010 11:29:50 GMT -5
"Iowa" is a single mom, college student very close to obtaining her B.A. and of course holds a job. She has struggled with this disease since 1995.
The specimens were taken from her face, hair, legs, arms, chest, presumeably following the same directions everyone receives along with the paperwork for Dr. Abbott's Lab.
Thank you for noticing, Frito. Talking to myself is so boring!
P.S. "Iowa" lived in San Diego at the time she became ill. She was part of a group of six persons who reported symptoms to the N.P.A. in 1995 and lived fairly close to one another.
At one time I had a great video of the six of them, but loaned it to a total idiot who said her VCR ate it. In any event, "Iowa" has the original tape, and that's all that really matters.
One of the guys on the tape was so ill he couldn't get out of bed at the timer. His elbow was very swollen and bright red.
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Post by ruth on Apr 2, 2010 12:39:43 GMT -5
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Post by Sidney on Apr 2, 2010 22:54:38 GMT -5
Ruth, I haven't watched all the show, but I watched enough to know it looks to be very, very interesting and educational.
Thank you so much for bringing it to our attention.
I'm especially intrigued by the references to our seervice personnel coming home from military deployments ill!
How in hell for example, did I get Mycoplasma Fermentans (Incognitus)? How did the others get it, people with typical Morgellons symptoms, who were never deployed.
What does our illness have in common with service personnel who deployed as healthy individuals, but came home desperately ill and without proper diagnosis? Is it chemical exposure or does chemical exposure have NOTHING to do with our disease/illness?
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Post by fritolay66 on Apr 3, 2010 23:28:32 GMT -5
Sidney or Ruth,
Doesn't Cpn predispose the occurence of Mycoplasma Incognitus?
Gulf War Syndrome. My sons father. Not only was it biochemical warfare, but also biological warfare by vectors. I remember something like thousands of empty mosquito containers being found? Oooo...been soo long.
Frito
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Post by Sidney on Apr 4, 2010 23:18:27 GMT -5
Frito, I've found Communist Party Nepal, Certified Pediatric Nurses, and lots of other CPN definitions, but nothing relating to Gulf War Syndrome.
Please explain when you have time. Sounds interesting.
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Post by fritolay66 on Apr 5, 2010 0:35:27 GMT -5
Oh gosh, I just remembered this is another thread I needed to respond too. I am so sorry. Cpn, chuckle, is not directly related to GWS. Two subject responses within one post. It is Chlamydia pnumoniae. A good website of which I am also a member of is Cpn.org. Sorry Sidney. Frito I think I liked the other possible definitions!!!
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Post by Sidney on Apr 5, 2010 11:26:01 GMT -5
Thank you, Frito.
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Post by bannanny on Apr 7, 2010 16:55:00 GMT -5
I finally got gerties results from Dr. Abbott... she never heard anything from them at all so I pursued it for her and after gertie giving Dr. Abbott the ok to release her results to me, he sent them. Here they are...
Fungi isolated from hair, saliva...
Candida Albicans Aspergillus versicolor
Non-sporulating...
Paecilomyces variotii
Fungi isolated from urine...
Arthrospore former Penicillium chrysogenum
hugs ~~ bannanny
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Post by Sidney on Apr 7, 2010 22:15:19 GMT -5
Bannanny, thank you for posting Gertie's results. Guess I'm awfully curious as to why they didn't release the information to Gertie.
Was this simply an oversight?
Anyway, our list continues to grow creating more questions than we have answers, as usual!
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Post by Sidney on Apr 7, 2010 22:18:07 GMT -5
Just so we can sort of keep things together, I'm copying and pasting Dr. Abbott's email to Bannanny and me here.
Sid and I both received this report from Dr. Abbott. I wanted to share it with you so I had to re-type the whole thing into wordpad cuz I don't know how to copy and paste a pdf file. I had help with proof reading what I copied 2 times tho... so I know there aren't any mistakes in it! All I have to add to that is I'm very grateful to Dr. Abbott for his ongoing help in trying to find answers for us...
RE: Morgellons Project - Preliminary review of data
Dear Robin/Sidney,
I am writing these notes so you can review what we have found to date in the samples from the Morgellons Group. I will make some summary statements and recommendations below that may be helpful.
1. Number of contributors and samples:
We have received samples from 11 individuals in your group. We have received 14 samples for Fungal Culture, plus 3 samples for Microscopic Examination.
2. Fungal Species:
We have isolated approximately 30 fungal species from the samples.
3. Types of Fungi recovered:
A list of potentially pathogenic, toxigenic and other environmental fungi is attached below.
4. Summary of results:
A wide variety of fungi were isolated from the samples. Primarily these are common environmental fungi. This suggests that the isolates are most likely from spores in the environment that are growing from the samples. This may be from simple contamination of the samples or possibly their occurrence may be related to adherence of spores from the environment to the gel-like material common to Morgellons patients. Several potentially pathogenic species were recovered including Absidia corymbifera, Aspergillus fumigatus, Aspergillus niger, and Candida albicans. The first three species were not consistently isolated and may represent environmental contaminants. Candida albicans is a natural human associated fungus and may be associated with human disease (e.g. thrush.) A large variety (14 species) of mycotoxin-producing fungi were isolated. Another group of species (approximately 13 species) that were isolated, represent common environmnetal fungi that may be associated with outdoor air or indoor mold growth. These may be allergenic species, but are not known to produce significant mycotoxins.
Recommendations:
1. Overall, the numbers of contributors and samples is low. No clear patterns of fungal species isolated is apparent at this time, although with the very low sample numbers, it is hard to assess whether patterns may exist with greater data. I was hoping to get approximately 50 samples to ensure that our findings were at least somewhat statistically significant. Perhaps there are still others who would like to participate in the project that could provide additional samples. Also, it would be interesting to analyze additional samples from the same individuals to see if there is any consistency by repeat isolation of the same species of fungi.
2. Project Coordination: One of the difficulties I encountered in trying to summarize the data was the inconsistent submittal of samples. Perhaps it would be best if all samples relating to this project are submitted with the Project ID "Morgellons Project" or Morg" so that the projects are easily searched and found in our data base, and to tie the various samples to the same larger project (we can add this notation to the Project ID when we receive samples if you agree.) If you would like, and all participants agree, the two of you can be considered as project coordinators, and all reports could be copied to you both when complete to compile and archive.
3. Pathogenic species: I do not believe that we are seeing a common pathogenic species, and given the lack of prior isolation from clinical samples of Morgellons patients, it is improbable that there is a common fungal pathogen affecting all patients. The one interesting potential pathogen is Candida albicans. This yeast is a normal human associated fungus, and occurs in about two thirds of the population. While I do not think it is likely that Candida is a cause of Morgellons, it is possible that the underlying disease allows for opportunistic infection by Candida. It would be interesting to get additional information via sampling to determine if Candida albicans occurs in all Morgellons patients (a commonality perhaps) or to document whether this species is a frequent secondary infectious agent.
4. Toxigenic species: Perhaps the most notable finding so far is the wide variety of mycotoxin-producing fungi that have been isolated. Significant toxigenic molds recovered include species of Aspergillus, Chaetomium, Fusarium, Paecilomyces, Penicillium, Phoma, Pithomyces, and Trichoderma. These are most likely of environmental origin, but may play a role in the disease. My review of literature suggests that toxins may well be an important factor in Morgellons Disease, and I believe that toxins associated with fungi may play a more important role than potential pathogens as far as a cause of symptoms is concerned. Several people have suggested that they have had or do have mold problems in their homes. It seems like a strong possibility that if Morgellons patients are exposed to high levels of toxigenic fungi, that this could be significant. I would suggest that a more detailed examination of the types of molds growing in the individual residences be done to determine if there is a common pattern of people suffering from Morgellons having high levels of mold contamination in their homes. If you would like to pursue this avenue, I would recommend a sampling protocol whereby individuals send in a dust sample from the vacuum bag for fungal culture analysis. Our list price for Fungal Culture, Species ID from dust samples is $155/sample, but I would also discount these samples to $80 each to help cut costs for participants.
5. I was recently working in Dallas, Texas with The Environmental Health Center Dallas (EHC-D) where I met with physicians who are familiar with the Morgellons Disease as well as other environmental exposure syndromes (e.g. Multiple Chemical Sensitivity, Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, etc.) I was impressed that they had experience with the disease and they reported that they had some success mitigating the symptoms in Morgellons patients. If anyone has had experience with their treatments, I would be interested in hearing about the results. Also if anyone is interested, I can provide the contact information for the physicians at EHC-D that might be able to offer some services or expertise.
Summary Table
(Note from bannanny here) Of course I won't include our last names you guys, but will type the first names of those of us who have sent cultuures to Dr. Abbott...
Contributors: 11
Robin Sidney Ruth Carolyn Susan Deborah Karen Laura Kelly Sandy Tami
Samples (Fungal Culture): 14
Samples (Microscopic Exam): 3
Fungal Species Isolated: 30
Potentially pathogenic fungal species:
Absidia corymbifera Aspergillus fumigatus Aspergillus niger Candida albicans
Environmental fungi, potential mycotoxin producers:
Aspergillus candidus Aspergillus fumigatus Aspergillus niger Aspergillus versicolor Chaetomium elatum Fusarium moniliforme Paecilomyces variotii Penicillium chrysogenum Penicillium commune Penicillium paxilli Penicillium species Phoma species Pithomyces chartarum Trichoderma harzianum
Environmental fungi, other common outdoor/indoor environmental fungi:
Alternaria alternata Aureobasidium pullulans Botrytis cinerea Cladosporium cladosporioides Cladosporium herbarum Eurotium herbariorum Penicillium brevicompactum Penicillium decumbens Scopulariopsis brevicaulis Ulocladium chartarum Basidiomycetes (arthrospore-formers) and Non-sporulating Yeasts
I hope this preliminary review of the data is helpful. Please feel free to contact me with any questions or concerns that arise. I will continue to synthesize the data as it comes in, and will report back to you as new information is revealed.
Sincerely,
Sean P. Abbott, Ph.D President / Analytical Director Natural Link Mold Lab, Inc. 4900 Mill Street Suite 3 Reno, Nevada 89502
sabbott@naturallinkmoldlab.com
ph. (775) 356-6653
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Post by Sidney on Apr 25, 2010 10:22:51 GMT -5
Cladosporium and Penicillium Found « Thread Started on 4/22/10 at 23:38 »
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- April 12, 2010 E.N.T. physician Dr. S.B. took specimens from my sinuses and placed in the Natural Link Mold Laboratory MEA Culture Plate. Specimens appeared as three drops of fluid.
Natural Link MOLDLAB, Inc., 4900 Mill Street, Suite 3, Reno, NV 89502 phone: (775) 356-6653 1
Analytical Laboratory Report
Fungal Culture, Full Species ID
Miscellaneous Culture
Account Name: Sidney Pxxxxxx Control ID: 23257
Project/P.O.: Morgellons Project 041210 Date Received: 04-14-2010
Submitter: Sidney Pxxxxxx Date Reported: 04-22-2010
Sample Identification: Dr. Stephen Bxxxxxx sinus; MEA plate; 04-12-2010
Fungi Isolated Plate Count (CFU/plate)
Cladosporium herbarum 1
TOTAL 1
Summary of Findings:
• Dominant fungi isolated on sample: Cladosporium herbarum.
• Sensitivity: 1 CFU/plate.
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• See Summary Table (23257-R02A).
Sample Identification: Facial hairs and tissue; MEA plate; 04-12-2010
Fungi Isolated Plate Count (CFU/plate)
Penicillium roqueforti 2
TOTAL 2
Summary of Findings:
• Dominant fungi isolated on sample: Penicillium roqueforti.
• Sensitivity: 1 CFU/plate.
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Miscellaneous Culture
Cladosporium herbarum 100% (Collected by M.D. ENT)
Penicillium roqueforti 100% (Collected by patient)
Report # 23257-R02A Page 1 of 1 ****************************************************
In addition to the two MEA Culture plates submitted I included specimens from large facial lesion which I submitted on three glass lab slides which were double slides with all four sides of each of the double slides taped securely. These were self-collected specimens.Hair and fiber from facial lesion; Bulk Sample; 4-12-2010 [S88106AB13525]
Account Name: Sidney P. Hair and fiber from facial lesion; Bulk Sample; 4-12-2010 [S88106AB13525]
Macroscopic Observations:
Sample comprised of hairs and debris
Microscopic Observations:
See Summary Table (23257-R01A).
No fungal growth detected.
No fungal spores detected.
Insects parts detected.
Including one adult fly (Diptera) and several wing fragments, presumptive ID as fungus gnat.
Debris composed primarily of hairs and textile fibers.
Plant parts detected, including seed coats and leaf fragments.
The boxes were all checked.
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Post by ANTHILL on Aug 12, 2010 11:05:19 GMT -5
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