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Post by toni on Nov 12, 2009 8:05:43 GMT -5
I sure can relate Sid, Frito and Ruth.
There's a part of me that sees this stuff grow so EASILY with just a simple "picking" from my skin, and I too have the same thoughts...
(how come no one else bothered) to do this? Those are the thoughts. Then I think, maybe they did, but we've just not heard about it for whatever reason.
And then the other part of me feels there's got to be more involved here...and that's why no one's mentioned "this part" - those are the thoughts too.
A few years ago, (on the board here) 2 people posted their scanned blood work.
There were approx 10-15 different bacterial pathogens on both.
The fungal aspect of this is or seems to be also (multi-varied) but not as much as the bacterial aspect.
I guess what I mean is...(it appears) by the blood work, the pathogens found, the fungi we're seeing, and the fungi learned by those who've had results confirmed...(this is quite a cocktail).
My question that keeps ringing in my mind, is "how"...how could any one person (all of a sudden fall infected with SO MANY bacterial and fungal pathogens) ALL at the same time, and not counting, that we all have the same - globally.
I don't believe it's cause we all were "just gardening"....and all of a sudden, we all developed ( all these bacteria's and fungi).
Our grandparents didn't have this, and because it's not in the books, (imho) makes this something brand new. And because to date, no one has been able to figure out the "crux". Something has "brought all this to our body at once"...it seems.
There must be (imho) a crux. I personally don't feel that one fungus can bring on (multiple bacterial pathogens) or (mutiple fungi infections)....and lyme.
See? I'm so hung up on this part of it (puzzled about * what * could do ALL this at once) .
I believe what we're doing is finding (the pieces of the puzzle) which of course is a good thing, a GREAT thing, but to rid "one fungi" won't rid the mutiple bacteriums nor the other fungal aspects either.
Not that I'm saying not to try to rid one thing at a time, cause that (imho again) is the best we can do, because we need to. Learn what we do see, and eliminate as much as we can as we go along. Because that can only help us, imho.
And to see (by our petri dishes) we're all growing the same stuff...is the best confirmation! I'm so glad we're doing this, because it is better to know, than not. So thank you all for your help....because we all are helping each other learn what really is happening.
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Post by violet on Nov 12, 2009 10:40:07 GMT -5
Ruth, You had mentioned on the other thread of your meltdown. I am having one too. I am utterly ticked. It has taken so many aspects of my life from me and now I am going to take them back. You know the one thing I miss the most, my running. The wind in my hair on a cold day, and running. The peacefulness of it all, the scenery, my own body carrying me wherever I want to go. Places you see that you cant in a car. You can taste them, smell them, run through them. The feeling of feeling good. Frito So well said, Frito. I can relate. I used to run, but I found that brisk walking was better for the joints and had the same benefits. One of the other wonderful benefits of slowing down and walking was enjoying all the beauty around me more. And breathing in the air, and stopping to look at God's beauty in the things he created in the wild. I so miss being able to even go walking now. At the end of a work day, I can hardly make it home, and when I get there, my body and brain feel completely done in for the day. Have learned, though, to still enjoy the beauty of the outdoors from my "sunporch"-type condo that is surrounded by windows, with trees all around, a stream close enough to watch, and being up on the fourth floor from the ground provides lots of sun and breezes. It's truly a haven which I'm thankful for every day.
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Post by kammy on Nov 12, 2009 11:19:31 GMT -5
Yes, Toni, that's good logical thinking. We have various pathogens and it has made it hard for us to diagnose what is happening with us. Usually, the human body reacts similar from person to person when the same pathogen is introduced. We have to narrow down the wide range of symptoms into the ones that we all have, such as - fibers, specks, and biofilm and then look to see in what we're finding to be the same from person to person - what can cause these symptoms to occur?
Is this fungus/mold we're finding capable of doing this? It maybe possible it is the source of the specks and biofilm, two out of three, so Morgellons is AT THE LEAST caused by two different factors... I'm suspecting three or more.
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Post by Sidney on Nov 12, 2009 13:38:45 GMT -5
Kammy, I definitely agree it's some kind of Germ Soup, Crud Cocktail.
I think it was Toni who asked you or Jeany, can't remember which, but think it was you, Kammy, about your specimens and where they were collected.
Were they collected from random places on your body, or were they even your own specimens that grew the mold?
I know we're making progress, bit by bit, but the more who do the mold test the better for all of us.
I also think it's important that we all use the same test kit, just my thoughts!
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Post by ruth on Nov 12, 2009 13:58:11 GMT -5
i am having a hard time finding more kits. i should just buy 2 more online. one for deep lung mucous one for urine (sediment) using sterile technique for both. those will probably be the last cultures i do. a lot of the following pics are blurry, just go past themthere are a few that show the white marks if you want to look. s192.photobucket.com/albums/z157/ruthlyons_2007/lesions%20and%20skin/?albumview=slideshowits' entertaining to see so many lesion pics i forgot about. but it is the white marks on my skin in the beginning of the show.
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Post by toni on Nov 12, 2009 15:50:55 GMT -5
OMG Ruth, what an incredible display you have, and what a horror this is to even have all this. My God, it's unreal.
Thank you SO much for sharing all this. These need packed into a DOP sayers mouth! I'm so sorry Ruth. I can relate.
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Post by Sidney on Nov 12, 2009 18:09:39 GMT -5
Regarding the slime mold, OK, you can believe this or not, but this has happened to me too many times to ignore it. As an example, I've eaten garlic bread with lots of visible herbs on the bread in addition to the garlic and butter, often cheese added too. To my total horror I have found bits of the green stuff, the herbs, in the lesion or lesions below my lower lip. Guess that sounds like I'm a messy eater, and perhaps I am!!! My point here is that while I have always blamed the lowly Collembola because they're scavengers, gatherers and collectors, for taking these "goodies" into my lesion or lesions, slime molds engulf anything and everything in their path. Therefore, if this should turn out to be slime mold it would be no shock at all to me. (but I might frow up.) I'll leave to you smart gals to figure it out.....and with gratitude.
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Post by ANTHILL on Nov 12, 2009 21:39:26 GMT -5
Regarding the slime mold, OK, you can believe this or not, but this has happened to me too many times to ignore it. As an example, I've eaten garlic bread with lots of visible herbs on the bread in addition to the garlic and butter, often cheese added too. To my total horror I have found bits of the green stuff, the herbs, in the lesion or lesions below my lower lip. Guess that sounds like I'm a messy eater, and perhaps I am!!! My point here is that while I have always blamed the lowly Collembola because they're scavengers, gatherers and collectors, for taking these "goodies" into my lesion or lesions, slime molds engulf anything and everything in their path. Therefore, if this should turn out to be slime mold it would be no shock at all to me. (but I might frow up.) I'll leave to you smart gals to figure it out.....and with gratitude. Sid' I'm highly suspicious of collembola too'-- this place is absolutely teeming with them The other day I picked up a board off of the ground and looked under it and what did I see a collembola egg nursery just like ants have they started to carry the eggs away and stash them away in their hole to protect them which says to me that that aren't some hap hazard insect mindlessly wandering around just munching on mold they have higher social structure just like ants I don't know what this proves having to do with collembola in the skin but I think it would not hurt to put the collembola under more scrutany as far as their habits and such
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Post by fritolay66 on Nov 12, 2009 23:20:18 GMT -5
Dear Ruth,
It is always awe-inspiring when someone shares what one has been through themselves. Quite an ambivelent feeling it invokes. I wanted to let you know that your gallery is absolutely astounding. My own gallery would be almost identical to yours. I am sorry you have had such a similar experience. I just can't get over how similar your pictures are to my own.
Spontaneous bleeding. Me and my son also had that. Him more so than I. I remember coming home from a bike ride and his forehead was full of blood. If I remember correctly, stachybotyris is quite airborne and directly connected to dermal spontaeous bleeding.
I had stachy in my original townhome where we developed the bug brigade and Morgellons.
Frito
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Post by bannanny on Nov 13, 2009 0:27:31 GMT -5
Man you guys move fast! I've been writing my replies and what I wanna post in wordpad little by little... whenever I feel something other than air in my head and I can write! But by the time I get it together, there's 2 more pages here to catch up with again! You'd think not being able to think wouldn't be all that bad having morgs! You had a good idea asking to merge these 2 mold threads Sid... will they be able to do it? Sure would be easier than goin back and forth and almost posting the same things on both. Except for wanting to reply to something that's only on one of the threads, guess we could just copy and paste from one to the other for the mold parts eh? Well, I'm just gonna copy and paste the mold part and pics from this post on the other thread anyway, just so our pics can be compared and all. But the biggest reason being, who knows who's reading what threads as far as folks from hospitals, institutes, research, and government goes... and I want to be sure everyone see's what we're doing and the results we're getting. Anyhoo Sid ma dear, the excerpt you posted (on pg. 4) said... "Cutaneous granulomas due to the mold fungus Ulocladium chartarum (Preuss)" For common denominator's sake... I have granulomas in my lungs now. I'm supposed to get x-rays every couple of months but I'm pis*sed at my doc cuz he won't even hear the word morgellons. I would imagine that's why they're there tho. About the steroids dc10801... nope, never taken them. Well, the docs could've given me some after my shoulder and spinal surgery, but knowing me I didn't take many. By "dewey drop beads" you guys don't mean moisture beads do you? Just wondering since I have the moisture on the inside of my dish... it's starting to dissipate now tho. But I looked at it last night while I was posting on the other mold thread... and guess what? I have 2 areas growing now that look pale green and fuzzy! I took a quick pic last night but it didn't come out very well. But it was good enough to be able to see green. First, here's one of my pics before anything started to grow. You can also see all the moisture that was there at first (the reflection of pink and blue is the jammies I was wearing, duh)... Then last night while I was posting, I went to the kitchen to get a cig (I keep 'em in the freezer.) That's when I looked at it again and noticed something else was finally in the dish. It's a bad pic I know, but you can still see where it's got some greenish growth on it now. Plus, you can see here how the moisture had dissipated somewhat (just like frito said it would do, she's so smart!)... So I looked at it again this morning (about 10 AM) and there was even more growth on it than there was last night. But geeeeze you guys, this stuff sure does grow fast! I went to take pics of it again... and it has way more in it now than there was just 4-5 hours ago! Now there's also white fluffy growth on it and the rolled out gel is separating into orange looking strips (I've been seeing alot of those lately.) It's also got some black/brown spots in it as well now. I don't know why my pics keep comin out blurry... I even set my camera to close-up and tried it that way, but it wouldn't even take the pic. Didn't help much to hold it up to the window either cuz it's stormy out today. So then I tried it with the flash, but got no pic at all. It's a good thing mom's here today, cuz she held the dish for me in some of the pix and they came out the best! Anyway, I'm sorry for the blur, but at least they're good enough to be able to tell what's goin on... In the first pic (above) the lid's still on, but look how much more it grew from last night! Then in the short time between 10 AM and 3 PM today, the gel had started separating into strips, the white fluff appeared, and so did the brownish black spots! You can see more of the brownish black spots at this angle (greenish stuff reminds me of a muppet or somethin in this one.) Tried goin to another room to see if I could get a better pic, but I held the dish myself while I took it. As you can see, it came out even worse. But the angle shows better how big it's gotten anyway. But I'm really just posting this one cuz it looks so weird! It's weird in this pic how the 2 piles of the greenish stuff (under the the brown/black spots) almost blends right in to the white fluffy stuff at this angle. But see how the sample I put in the dish from my hands is separating into single strips now? In these last 2 pics, mom held the dish up to the window for me... so the lid stayed on. That's why you see the moisture, cuz it's on the inside of the lid. There were only 2 small greenish spots in the dish last night and still that way this morning... this was only 4 hr's later. I can't believe how fast it's growing. My mom thinks it's demonic. I took this one of it at the same window where I took the one above, but took it further away this time. It came out a little more clear anyway. So there it is... we should give ourselves the nickname "Moldy Oldies" eh? Oh, and nevermind about the dewey drop question... toni's post further down answered it for me, duh! Were you talking about Rhizopus when you said it was a fatal mold infection toni? OMG! I just watched the video of your dish at 48 hrs. of the strands and netting and "cherry balls"... it freaked me out! It did becuz it's exactly what I feel and see... goo and all! Creepy, creepy, creepy! I hope we're gonna be able to see what part of this morg mix it is that moves so freakin fast... cuz something does. Hey, where do you guys get slides? I don't have any and I think the times coming for me to have to set my scope up... maybe. Reason I haven't still is I just didn't wanna see anymore, so I'm really questioning if I even wanna look at this stuff now. I couldn't tell you Sid if those were eggs or spores in the pic at the link you left... sorry. If it were a no brainer maybe I'd know, since I have no brain ha! From jeany's excerpt... Environmental isolates of the fungus Rhizopus have been shown to harbor a bacterial endosymbiont (Burkholderia) that produces rhixozin, a plant mycotoxin. Ok, got a question about that jeany... we have agrobacterium and plant material growing in us (via morgs) right? So becuz Rhixozin is a plant mycotoxin, could there be a connection there? I sure would like to know what kind of mold can infect a person's body, and that person becomes the one who infects their home, and car, and clothes, and everything else from there? The way I've always known it to work is mold grows in the environmnet first, THEN a person becomes infected by it second, not the other way around. Maybe it's one of the other components of morgs that's causing it to work in reverse... or does that even make any sense? It worked that way for me anyway... I was the one who got morgs first, then my clothes, my sweet dogs, my environment, and my car all became contaminated from me and after me. Total reversal from the way I've always known things to work. Yeah, there's alot more than just mold in the morg mix... but we're getting there guys. We'll have it all put together before we know it too. I betcha we will... slimy things, collembola and all! I watched your slide show ruth... it made me cry. I have those same red bumps too, but not near as many as you sweetie. You're a true fighter you are. I know you can keep going too... I know all of us can. At the rate we're going, it could be no time at all before we're putting a marathon together for you and vi to do a victory run! I know this has been a real eye opener for all of us doing these cultures tho. A very scary eye opener... and it makes me very angry too. I agree with all of you... why have we been able to accomplish so much... yet those who could really help us who have labs to work in haven't even come close to all we've found? It just doesn't make sense at all. But we ARE accomplishing alot and we WILL get to the bottom of it all. We just have to keep holding on to each other like we always have. We've gone thru this together and we'll have our day together too... and I wanna tell every one of you that you've been nothing but a blessing to me. I'm grateful to you all for being some of the very best and most caring friends I've ever had in my life. I have nothing but love for you guys in my heart... thank you for giving me that love too. big big hugs ~~ bannanny
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Post by Sidney on Nov 13, 2009 0:55:37 GMT -5
Regarding the slime mold, OK, you can believe this or not, but this has happened to me too many times to ignore it. As an example, I've eaten garlic bread with lots of visible herbs on the bread in addition to the garlic and butter, often cheese added too. To my total horror I have found bits of the green stuff, the herbs, in the lesion or lesions below my lower lip. Guess that sounds like I'm a messy eater, and perhaps I am!!! My point here is that while I have always blamed the lowly Collembola because they're scavengers, gatherers and collectors, for taking these "goodies" into my lesion or lesions, slime molds engulf anything and everything in their path. Therefore, if this should turn out to be slime mold it would be no shock at all to me. (but I might frow up.) I'll leave to you smart gals to figure it out.....and with gratitude. Sid' I'm highly suspicious of collembola too'-- this place is absolutely teeming with them The other day I picked up a board off of the ground and looked under it and what did I see a collembola egg nursery just like ants have they started to carry the eggs away and stash them away in their hole to protect them which says to me that that aren't some hap hazard insect mindlessly wandering around just munching on mold they have higher social structure just like ants I don't know what this proves having to do with collembola in the skin but I think it would not hurt to put the collembola under more scrutany as far as their habits and such Collembola and Ants (Hymenoptera) are both highly organized, Ant, and whatever they're doing at any given time there is methodical intent in their actions. I believe the Collembola play a huge role, always have, believing there is plenty of evidence to support this. Thank you for your input, Ant. Just as a reminder: From Mr. Common Sense Blog: "Note that above text mentions that some species of Collembola can be as small as .2 mm. Just so we are clear on things .2 mm is very small, .2 mm = 0.000787 of an inch !!!!! There are an estimated 30,000 to 100,000 undiscovered species of Collembola." Some species are carnivorous, some species walk in a looping fashion to the left, to the right, collecting and gathering as they loop. They feed on dead and decaying matter such as leaves, mold, fungi, other Collembola, and they're literally everywhere, hiding under rotting logs, stones, etc., just as you mentioned,
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Post by Sidney on Nov 13, 2009 1:00:11 GMT -5
Bannanny, I didn't remember you have granulomas on your lungs. So, what is the explanation?
And, I think your images are just great.
Ruth, I'm so glad you have this wonderful gallery of incredible images. Thank you so very much for sharing them here. Very impressive, although so heartbreaking.
We need to get GreemaJan's album on one of these threads too.
More incredible work.
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Post by fritolay66 on Nov 13, 2009 1:09:15 GMT -5
Nan,
You petri looks like mine.
Frito
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Post by kammy on Nov 13, 2009 4:14:22 GMT -5
Kammy, I definitely agree it's some kind of Germ Soup, Crud Cocktail. I think it was Toni who asked you or Jeany, can't remember which, but think it was you, Kammy, about your specimens and where they were collected. Were they collected from random places on your body, or were they even your own specimens that grew the mold? I know we're making progress, bit by bit, but the more who do the mold test the better for all of us. I also think it's important that we all use the same test kit, just my thoughts! Hey Sid/Toni - I saw that question and wondered which photo we're talking about, could you quote me, then I'll know? I don't think it matters which agar you use with Morgellons, we're seeing the same with nutrient, potato, blood agar and whatever is in your dishes. This stuff is designed to grow, I wore a black leather coat the other day, and left it in the back cab of my truck, I looked at it today and... and it had white mildew (guess what?) starting to grow in spots on it... you see what I mean? I've got this so bad in one ear, it rings like a bell... and the other one is starting to ring too... I think the fungus has met in the middle? I have it in my nose, lungs, bladder... moving up to the kidneys... my teeth and vision are next... I need some help soon. I'm praying that I can quickly get to Germany to get some help. Jeany and I will try to point them in the right direction thanks to you guys, at least they listen over there. Ruth, I feel for you - yes, we all get depressed and angry from time to time... it's just natural, we have been badly mis-treated and suffered unduly. And, these people who say... 'it's ok if the CDC takes a little longer... at least they are doing something now...' No, it's not ok! There is no excuse for them - people are dying daily with this, it's hidden as various cancers, lung diseases and many others. We're all slowly dying, that's why I'm fighting like hell... I at least want to know the name of the thing that's killing me... and preferably how I got it? I saw in a post where someone said to use meditation to get better... or to relax and enjoy this 'religious' awakening... I want to know what brand of Morgellons they have that they don't seem too concerned? They must have their fungus under control, there's must not be multiplying faster than it can be removed? The damage done by waiting to be treated is robbing me and you of our present and future health... robbing us of even more than we've already lost! Time is of the essence for some of us. I don't know Suebe very well but I know she must be a wonderful person from your posts to her. And, with only one more week to live... she might have had a chance if she'd been diagnosed properly, had some of the right medicines?... we can almost know that what we're seeing with us is happening with her, too? Those of you supportive of the CDC's recent actions, tell us it's ok for Suebe to wait a little longer? And, the poor people who've been tortured by this taking over their bodies and couldn't get any real help... who took their lives. The people who were consumed by it so that they couldn't work nor carry on a normal existence. This is a very sad state of human affairs. Let us put an end to our suffering, it is solely in our hands at this time... if we can inform our doctors what is wrong with us - it seems they should be obligated to look? And, if they continue to ignore us after we specifically complain, it seems that we should have grounds to pursue an attorney to help us? It's just a matter of one of us getting official lab verification of Rhizopus... soon the world will know what Morgellons mostly is, thanks to your efforts here. Thank you one and all.
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Post by toni on Nov 13, 2009 8:12:37 GMT -5
Bannanny, That sure imho, is a match too! So glad yours took off and oh yes, it sure does grow fast. Thank you for all the pictures, you did great. Kammy, We were wondering where the specimens were from on your body that you grew? Thanks
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Post by kammy on Nov 13, 2009 8:54:03 GMT -5
Bannanny, That sure imho, is a match too! So glad yours took off and oh yes, it sure does grow fast. Thank you for all the pictures, you did great. Kammy, We were wondering where the specimens were from on your body that you grew? Thanks Hey Toni! They are always... from my left ear which disintegrates daily and creates "spores and more", that's me! ;D my ear thinks it's a mushroom.
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Post by toni on Nov 13, 2009 9:59:40 GMT -5
haahahah ;D I promise I'm not laughing "at" you, but I did get a chuckle from what you said. And oh, seriously...this is just awful, and I'm so sorry this is ALL coming out of your ear. Do you know, yesterday (me and my sis) decided to try another experiment, not a new one, because a member a couple of years ago had mentioned this. She said, that where ever she spat in her yard, (MUSHROOMS) yep...would grow! So...I've got a little planter with dirt in it, nothing's grown in it for a couple of years, and I think I'm going to try 'spittin' in that dirt, and if a mushroom sprouts, you'll hear me from here to there! My sis did the same yesterday into the dirt of her cactus that's in a planter in her home. I said, well...I guess one of three things will happen. Either nothing, or you'll see something sprout up (like maybe) a mushroom, or you'll kill your cactus. But that too would be interesting to see. Now, I'm not sure if the agar (in the ProLabs) petri's are "food" for a better way to put it, for the growth of mushrooms. Does anyone know? I know that they're for pretty common "mold/fungi" growths, and well...maybe it is, but maybe it's not.
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Post by kammy on Nov 13, 2009 10:41:52 GMT -5
Their agar is probably beneficial to grow mold/fungus... I personally don't think it matters which medium we use but for the sake of your data being the same and more accepted in the science community...
Jeany and I are going to go outside later and spit in the yard and see what happens?... we won't tell any of our neighbors what we're doing... lol I can see it now... 'come over to our house, you can see our spit garden, and look at our pine trees we grew from our spit and our fungi dishes are on display today'... how'd we get so weird? lol
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Post by jeany on Nov 13, 2009 10:57:13 GMT -5
Their agar is probably beneficial to grow mold/fungus... I personally don't think it matters which medium we use but for the sake of your data being the same and more accepted in the science community... Jeany and I are going to go outside later and spit in the yard and see what happens?... we won't tell any of our neighbors what we're doing... lol I can see it now... 'come over to our house, you can see our spit garden, and look at our pine trees we grew from our spit and our fungi dishes are on display today'... how'd we get so weird? lol ;D ;DHey! By the way my spit looks like it'll probably grow a Sequoia!! We met a few nice people the other day and wanted to invite them. So..I said: would you like to come over and look at our dishes? They are nicely arranged, sitting in plate holders. You should come and see how neat they are! And our friends said: yes!..thinking they are some kind of Chinese porcelain. And then I said...And you could stay and we'll watch a video together afterwards..how 'bout that? Our friends looked at each other probably eagerly awaiting some kind of vacation video with beautiful scenery pictures. Shortly after our friends came over. After a while Kammy takes out her laptop and puts out a huge screen in the living room. While our friends are sitting there on the couch, meanwhile I'm serving Popcorn, Coke and snacks, the first video starts...'Morgellons Part 1'..showing the weirdest pictures of specimens, fungus, bacteria and worms! I say..hey!..look!..Kammy..there's our favorite specimen..Look how neat!..and how fast it grew..isn't that interesting? I look over and see how our friends jaw's are dropping, with their eyes wide open..one is choking on a piece of Popcorn..ready to run!! ;D Jeany
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Post by kammy on Nov 13, 2009 11:06:50 GMT -5
lol @ Jeany
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