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Post by glennb on Aug 6, 2010 20:55:33 GMT -5
My jaw hit the ground upon reading this, not that I am surprised that the powers that be would want to do this. A purposed bill that would make growing your own food, storing your own seed, sharing food with others illegal. rense.com/general91/dehe.htmSatan is alive and well and running Monsanto.
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Post by jj on Aug 7, 2010 8:01:03 GMT -5
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Post by toni on Aug 7, 2010 11:17:21 GMT -5
My jaw hit the ground upon reading this, not that I am surprised that the powers that be would want to do this. A purposed bill that would make growing your own food, storing your own seed, sharing food with others illegal. rense.com/general91/dehe.htmSatan is alive and well and running Monsanto. I'm sorry but I don't see this at all (except spelled out on Rense.com). I see that the "Food Modernization Act" being that to protect the "consumer" of the foods grown. Where does it say an individual cannot grow their own? It does say that "growing your own and SELLING it" then is subjected basically to inspection, and that is only to protect us consumers eating it. Here's why I'm very much in favor of this "act". IF something is going to be sold to the public, then I FEEL I have the right to know about that product, how it's grown, what pesticides are used, etc, and especially IF I have an allergic reaction I want to know. If there's exceptions made to "people SELLING their own grown" foods, then that is no different than me baking cookies from my home kitchen and selling them too. Now, I can't do that. Why? Because if I'm going to bake cookies to sell to the "public"....I must be "not on private property" for one main reason. Because being on private property I have the right then to NOT be inspected. But, if I'm baking cookies to sell to the public...I then am open for inspections of my methods, and that too is a good protector for those consumers eating my cookies. I see this as the same as "growing foods to be commerically sold". There's got to be some kind of inspections or E.coli and everything else is would just be a "too bad for the consumer" type thing.
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Post by cyn on Aug 8, 2010 3:14:10 GMT -5
They want to make absolutely sure that we eat ONLY Morgellons contaminated food.
Are there any Californians here on the board, who know of what i speak?
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Post by jj on Aug 8, 2010 9:43:19 GMT -5
My apologies The first link was the result of a search that contained many links addressing this bill, amendments and others similar. It is replaced with an error message today. I will find those links again because this bill addresses many of our major concerns and is very important! The last 2 links are only a brief summary of the whole picture of what all is entailed. From watching and participating in the process of making bills law locally ................... it's a major endeavor and extremely time consuming. We being part of a constituency should participate in the political process. We need to be able to comprehend the depth and complexity of what these bills address if possible, or have someone to turn to we can trust who does Personally, in order for me to grasp the complexities of what this "food modernization act entails" will take time I don't have. When contemplating the reality of how many constituents don't have that time to read x amount of political rhetoric ........... the chance someone might slip one past us "their constituents" is much to high. I'll make some time. Based on the letter written; www.congress.org/congressorg/bio/userletter/?letter_id=4235612956language within the bill (@ the time the letter was written) was not specific and led some to believe that smaller farms, CSA's and local markets (that many depend on for healthier meats and produce) may then be in jeopardy with a type of oversite that led/leads to the monopolies detailed within the documentary Food Inc. That is how I comprehended it from where I stand, but I could be very wrong I can understand how an unspecific language loophole like that could/would be used by big business to take more control over the food supply and supplements. We as constituents need to make sure that those loopholes don't exist to preserve our rights and options we still have to CSA's, locally grown foods and supplements. It appears as if Steve Green is doing this from his perspective. His "Illegal to grow your own food" article is making it's rounds on the net. Personally I think the title may have been a bit of a stretch but it definitely got my attention. I appreciate that a great deal. Thank you for that Glen Yesterday I couldn't access gov/track to pull up this bill and my other efforts didn't last. Sooooooooo will try again to find and post. JJ ooopse. Edited the CSI's to read CSA's (Community Supported Agriculture) lymebusters.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=12103 Used to watch CSI all the time
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Post by jj on Aug 8, 2010 10:39:24 GMT -5
www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s111-510I can't figure out how to provide direct links Here's a step by step to access text and PDF documents. Text will be broken down with links by sections and somewhat easier to take in. It's interesting to see what has been amended or struck out between the times it was introduced and reported. Go to gov/track link above
On the right, click under Navigation click on Full Text
On the left, click on Full Text on ThomasWhy do that? It gives you a means to compare text and get an idea what has taken place if you so choose. I'm still learning my way around gov/track myself.
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Post by gezunked on Aug 9, 2010 15:58:06 GMT -5
Hi JJ,
You wrote above regarding the Rense page
"His "Illegal to grow your own food" article is making it's rounds on the net. Personally I think the title may have been a bit of a stretch but it definitely got my attention. I appreciate that a great deal."
In particular the phrase "a bit of a stretch" would you not consider that a better description might be sensationalist drivel? Perhaps even straight up dishonesty?
I'm sure you noted that the author of "Illegal to grow your own food" cites no specific sections of the proposed bill, and while hard to quantify, seems to be using his interpretation of this bill to further his own agenda. True to form Rense, publishes this crap because that is his job - exploiting the ignorance and fears of a disenfranchised population.
I applaud your statement "We being part of a constituency should participate in the political process. We need to be able to comprehend the depth and complexity of what these bills address if possible, or have someone to turn to we can trust who does.
I'd politely suggest Mr Rense is not interested in educating his audience but rather exploiting them. He, and his contributing authors fall well outside the category of trustworthiness.
Bzzzz...hear that? it's that bee in my bonnett again!
Gezunked
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Post by jj on Aug 9, 2010 18:00:49 GMT -5
Hi gezunkedbzzzzzzzzzThis is interesting.MAPLight.org MONEY AND POLITICS: ILLUMINATING THE CONNECTIONmaplight.org/us-congress/bill/111-s-510/360488/total-contributionsMAPLight.org U.S. Congress: Research Guidemaplight.org/us-congress/guide If you want to run for Congress, you need money. A lot of money.
To win election, U.S. House members raised, on average, $1,900 per day, every day, for an entire two-year term—including weekends and holidays. That’s $1.4 million per House member, on average.
Winning senators raised $8.5 million, on average—$3,900 per day. (These figures are for the 2008 election, from the nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics.)
The main source of this campaign money is interest groups that want something from government. Once elected, politicians often pay back their campaign contributors with special access and favorable laws. This common practice is contrary to the public interest, yet legal. MAPLight.org's research tools help shine a light on the connection between money and votes, to help citizens hold legislators accountable.JJ
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Post by gezunked on Aug 9, 2010 20:01:50 GMT -5
HI JJ, Thanks for the links. I'm not that surprised by the contributions from business - lobbying has been around a long time. They don't necessarily represent corruption or even undue influence, although of course they can. Corporations like citizens have a right to have their point of view heard by legislators. I think all legislators would be aware that individuals and grass roots campaigners dont have the financial resources of business and take that into account when considering any and all propositions put to them. But donations regarding this "Food Modernisation Act is all quite a diversion from the point of my earlier post. Which was, to be clearer, that everything on Rense.com is unsubstantiated garbage. Why that matters to me? Because I have Morgellons Disease and i resent being marginalised further by the renses of this world. Who, in my opinion help keep us confined to the lunatic fringe. Ive been sitting on this forum for about 5 years watching increasingly absurd theories about Morgellons appear and disappear. Places like Rense dont care about facts, they care about site hits and ad revenue. Rense plays to peoples fears, reviles logic and thus disempowers its' audience. I'd like to see the rigorous censorship that is applied to the idiots who disrupt this forum be also applied to references from sites such as Rense who are vastly more influential and therefore more damaging to our situation. now to lighten up a little www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ruj1h6WcJ34&feature=related
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Post by jj on Aug 9, 2010 23:46:36 GMT -5
HI JJ, Thanks for the links. I'm not that surprised by the contributions from business - lobbying has been around a long time. They don't necessarily represent corruption or even undue influence, although of course they can. Corporations like citizens have a right to have their point of view heard by legislators. I think all legislators would be aware that individuals and grass roots campaigners dont have the financial resources of business and take that into account when considering any and all propositions put to them. But donations regarding this "Food Modernisation Act is all quite a diversion from the point of my earlier post. Which was, to be clearer, that everything on Rense.com is unsubstantiated garbage. Why that matters to me? Because I have Morgellons Disease and i resent being marginalised further by the renses of this world. Who, in my opinion help keep us confined to the lunatic fringe. Ive been sitting on this forum for about 5 years watching increasingly absurd theories about Morgellons appear and disappear. Places like Rense dont care about facts, they care about site hits and ad revenue. Rense plays to peoples fears, reviles logic and thus disempowers its' audience. I'd like to see the rigorous censorship that is applied to the idiots who disrupt this forum be also applied to references from sites such as Rense who are vastly more influential and therefore more damaging to our situation. now to lighten up a little www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ruj1h6WcJ34&feature=relatedThere really wasn't an attempt to divert really, more like an attempt to fill a glass with lemonade on a hot day. I did appreciate the bill was brought here to our attention as well as that of our our readers. Now that lemon that left a sour taste and the doom and gloom fringe it was brought here under is no doubt disagreeable. Ya know what's weird sometimes? Information can be presented here in a "manner" that is extremely inhibitive, yet one can filter and sometimes find real information that is of value with a little commonsense if the information was ever presented. Like you I suffer from Morgellons and also resent being marginalized for the same reasons as you, more so than most will ever be fully aware. Like you, I also would like to see more substantiation but at the same time I resent the self appointed who hypocritically censor discussion like they own the patent to facts yet to be recognized or documented. I fully understand what you want to see ............ it does appear unfair at times ........ I know. Especially when the lemonade stands around us may sell a drink so artificial This board was built ........... and they came. Sincerely JJ
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Post by gezunked on Aug 10, 2010 1:24:20 GMT -5
Hi JJ,
Again thanks for the response. I have to agree that how we choose to interpret information is the responsibility of each of us and in that case the conduit for that information is largely irrelevant. Despite my reservations about certain sites and the value of the Morgellons information they provide, I still believe it is more important that all information is available rather than just some. If that is at the cost of our credfibility, in the short term, that may be the price we pay for free and frank discussion. While i prefer wikileaks to rense I'll concede that they both have a role.
In future I'll try and refrain from shooting the messenger however, I do reserve the right to critique the message.
Cheers,
Gezunked
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Post by glennb on Aug 10, 2010 18:39:38 GMT -5
Toni, I must have missed the part that mandated the full & truthful labeling of food for the benefit & health of the consumer, including information on whether or not the product is organic, what pesticides and in what amounts are in are in the food, whether or not it is GMO or irradiated and full and honest disclosure of other ingredients and associated risk factors.
While the bill does not state openly that it would be used to criminalize home gardens and organic food co-ops, it could certainly be interpreted that way. Since Monsanto has already tried to get laws passed in a couple of countries that would criminalize the saving of seeds from a crop to use for planting for the next years crop (as farmers have been doing for thousands and thousands of years), I tend to suspect the worst from them.
I do not doubt that making backyard gardens illegal is a direction they would like to go. Monsanto, imo wants to own the rights to all the food in the world, and the world’s water rights as well.
I don’t like the move towards global harmonization. Imo, it’s moving away from national sovereignty. The Codex Alimentarious is part of this and would mean losing a huge health freedom, the freedom to buy and use vitamins and food supplements as a person sees fit. Articles like the food Safety Act and the Codex Alimentarious are promoted under the guise of making us safer when exactly the opposite is true. The Food safety act is just another nail in the coffin of personal freedom on our way to a tightly controlled NWO.
Give them control of the food and they will have control of us.
And if they are so darned concerned about making the population safer then the obvious public health threat to tackle would be prescription drugs. Properly prescribed and used prescription drugs are the number four leading cause of death every year in the United States, killing hundreds of thousands of people, more than suicide, homicide, aids and accidents combined.
How many people did Vitamins and Food supplements kill last year? None as far as I know. Not a single person, Zilch! Nada! And how many were killed by contaminated or unsafe food products? Not sure about that but I am positive it does not even come close to the huge numbers killed by prescription drugs.
Yet what legislation is being focused on as promoting public safety? Legislation that could potentially take away our rights to grow organic healthy food on our own property and legislation that will in effect remove almost all the vitamins, food supplements, herbal preparations including herbal tea from the marketplace. The way this legislation is worded, including any food, herbal or nutritional product that has a physiologic effect upon the human body, it could even be interpreted to include garlic, tea & coffee!!
And the draconian punishments that are intended to be dished up for vitamin and food outlaws? The penalties purposed for not obeying these directives are equivalent to those for major narcotics possession.
Imagine! Possible prison time for flaunting the law and growing garlic in your back yard or having vitamin C in your home.
Oh sure, in countries where this has passed there is still some access to vitamins for the consumer but the amount allowed is so small it is virtually impossible to take a therapeutic dose. In Germany vit. C. may now be purchased in sugar pills. Each pill has only 10mg. Of vitamin C. Before you could swallow enough 10 mg sugar pills to achieve a therapeutic dose you would be in a sugar coma.
Except for a couple of concerns, there are already enough food safety laws in place to protect us, if only the existing laws were fully funded and enforced with the necessary levels of inspections needed. An area of concern where huge improvement is needed is in the labeling of food. I want to know if something has been genetically modified, whether or not it has been irradiated, what pesticides and how much pesticide is in it.
And I want to know if it contains MSG. MSG is currently being sneaked into more and more foods under a confusing number of terms. “Natural Flavors”, Malto-dextrin, textured soy protein, malted barley and a dozen other terms can be used hide the existence of MSG in food.
And I think all cattle should be tested for mad cow before coming to market.
I just don’t trust any bill having to do with our food supply that is backed by Big Agra.
This is the mindset that has allowed GM Foods into our environment and in to the grocery stores without proper testing for safety, and even suppression of the research that has been done showing the health problems associated with GM foods. This is the mindset that has allowed Aspartame to stay on the market in spite of improper and fudged testing from the beginning, in spite of the tens of thousands of aspartame related health complaints every year. Aspartame degrades in the body into a nerve toxin.
This is the mindset that has promoted fluoridation of the public water supply. And also promoted switching municipal water sanitation practices to using chloramines instead of chlorine.
The Food Safety Act and the Codex Alimentarious have nothing to do with public safety and everything to do with increasing profits for the pharmacetical industy and the ever-tightening control and loss of individual freedom
Cyn, Yes I know exactly what you are speaking of. I am posting on that very topic today.
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Post by toni on Aug 10, 2010 20:25:17 GMT -5
Glennb, Your first paragraph in your post to me sounds sarcastic- instead of simply asking for more information. The bill isn't fully disclosed on Rense.com. And I didn't mention disclosure of GMO either, you're now TWISTING words to suit "your defense" for something that's not complete in it's entirety on RENSE. thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.875:www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h875/textRead section 203 (regarding adulterations of foods) which one the "intents of the word adulterations" means "pesticides" which IS what I did say.
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Post by toni on Aug 11, 2010 11:25:24 GMT -5
Glennb, You posted: While the bill does not state openly that it would be used to criminalize home gardens and organic food co-ops, it could certainly be interpreted that way. Toni says: IMHO, anything can be "interpreted any which way" - and I don't mean this to sound sarcastic, I'm being upfront is all. The bill just doesn't say that, which is why I commented as I did.Glennb posts: I do not doubt that making backyard gardens illegal is a direction they would like to go. Toni says: (and being upfront as I am) this again is speculation, because the bill doesn't state that at all. Now, if another bill came out and said that, that's another thing, but I believe you posted this thread stating THIS BILL saying: Illegal to grow your own food, which imho, is incorrect.
Bottom line, I don't want to be a - growl monster, so lets agree to disagree, and I appologize for any of my sounding not nice.
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Post by rhorn2006 on Aug 11, 2010 13:04:16 GMT -5
Actually,, the whole "limits on food products" any one person can have on there property "at one time" comes from "Anti-Hording Law's" written into law by presidential order, as part of the "Terrorist Package" within hours of the Oklahoma City bombing.. In addition to the hording or stock-piling of guns, ammo, and medical supplies (by private citizens) the package also made it a "terrorist act" to horde or stock-pile any food, water, or other life sustaining resources on your property. Each person is allowed to have a two week supply of food and water stored upon there property (per person, and based upon the national average of needed consumption per person) Anything more than that is a violation of the terrorist act!! So "technically" if you have a couple shelves with green beans from last years garden down in your basement "you can, by law" be arrested for a terrorist act! They do not enforce these laws,, they just want to be able too,, if and when they need too.. The laws were written and directed to stem the rapid growth of "citizen militias" that had been rapidly forming in every state in the country.. Citizen Militia groups, stockpile "guns, ammo, medical supplies, food, water, and other need resources" necessary to fight a battle against the government.. Because it is our constitutional right to form citizen militias and bear arms against the government,, the government could not out-law the creation of citizen militias,, so instead the government outlawed the stockpiling of everything a militia would have to have, a large supply of,, in order to rise up and fight them..
These are just a few "EXECUTIVE ORDERS" written into the "terrorist package" it's over 100 pages long..............
EXECUTIVE ORDER 10990 allows the government to take over all modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 10995 allows the government to seize and control the communication media.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 10997 allows the government to take over all electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels and minerals.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 10998 allows the government to take over all food resources and farms.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11000 allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11001 allows the government to take over all health, education and welfare functions.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11002 designates the Postmaster General to operate a national registration of all persons.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11003 allows the government to take over all airports and aircraft, including commercial aircraft.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11004 allows the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate communities, build new housing with public funds, designate areas to be abandoned, and establish new locations for populations.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11005 allows the government to take over railroads, inland waterways and public storage facilities.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11051 specifies the responsibility of the Office of Emergency Planning and gives authorization to put all Executive Orders into effect in times of increased international tensions and economic or financial crisis.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11310 grants authority to the Department of Justice to enforce the plans set out in Executive Orders, to institute industrial support, to establish judicial and legislative liaison, to control all aliens, to operate penal and correctional institutions, and to advise and assist the President.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11049 assigns emergency preparedness function to federal departments and agencies, consolidating 21 operative Executive Orders issued over a fifteen year period.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11921 allows the Federal Emergency Preparedness Agency to develop plans to establish control over the mechanisms of production and distribution, of energy sources, wages, salaries, credit and the flow of money in U.S. financial institution in any undefined national emergency. It also provides that when a state of emergency is declared by the President. Congress cannot review any of these actions for a period of no less than six months.
They can take your,, homes, cars, money, children, everything you have "by law" and stick a chip in you!! They can send you off to "work camps" and if you refuse to do anything they want you are "by law" a terrorist, and will be treated as such....
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Post by jj on Aug 11, 2010 13:47:35 GMT -5
Hi Rhorn Maybe you can help me here. I would appreciate a resource to educate myself more in the area you posted and a reliable source that can tracked back. Maybe this is something updated (as of june 1994) in the same vein; www.fema.gov/library/viewRecord.do?id=3604Personaly, IMHO ............... a terrorist I am not and I can stockpile what ever I want to care for myself and my family and no one has the right to take that from me no matter what hits or who imposes executive order. Something tells me you probably feel the same. The likes of rense or other extreme free media sources are not going to scare helpless ignorant human beings around me into overeacting either. What's the name for that ? Fear MongeringJJ
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Post by ed on Aug 11, 2010 14:01:16 GMT -5
ah.........elections have consequences... two rds short to save the springs....Ed
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Post by jj on Aug 12, 2010 19:02:53 GMT -5
Could we please keep this discussion on a middle ground if possible.
No one wants this board to join the ranks of others that have disappeared from the net. Well most don't.
Thank you for all considerations.
JJ
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Post by simone on Apr 6, 2011 21:33:09 GMT -5
All this is S bill 051 and it passed ... and so it did in Canada also under bill C- 36 .. in Dec 2010....yes they passed the bill under our noses. not informing the people. We all lost our freedom of rights.
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Post by betsy on Mar 13, 2012 1:12:09 GMT -5
Betsy agrees with glen b and mom 2006.
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